Yeah Arno dead.
Ferdinand killed him waaaayyyy back at the end of P2V4
So that scene where Ferdinand says to Fran:
“I see. Good, then. I have distanced Arno since his own actions had been unduly influenced by his past experience with blue shrine maidens, but I hope that you continue to serve Rozemyne well.”
And then Fran thinks:
I exhaled, understanding the intent behind the High Priest’s short, coded message. I had thought it strange that Arno was not among the High Priest’s other attendants, but it seemed that he had climbed the towering stairway
Climbed the towering stairway is noble talk for died. We just hadn't learned that yet at until sometime in part 3 I think. 'Wait Arno died' is a common re-read realization for that reason.
Yes, I remember Ferdinand's words... but not Fran's thoughts. This is it. :x
After P4, I feel like I understand noble euphemisms better than Wilfried does... I'm doing it all wrong, but I guess that after re-reading P3, I'll move to P2 next... :D (if P5V2 won't appear first).
Thanks once again.
Uhhh, so it was like this after all... Q\_Q I see. Thanks for the confirmation. I forgot that Ferdinand is a proper noble, but after reading the talks about ex-High Bishop's "grey" purge to leave only handsome and beautiful priests and priestess... I kinda hoped that he was reassigned or something... Gotcha.
Ferdinand wouldn't reassign him since Arno was too involved in his life so would be a security risk. But Arno had just shown himself to be a security risk while working for him.
Arno demonstrated that he prioritized messing with Fran over properlty serving Ferdinand and that was unacceptable. And since in noble thinking execution for wrongs committed is common, he killed him.
To Ferdinand killing Arno would be nothing like the purge of the ugly grey priests. If he had to categorize it he would place in the same column as the execution of the Hasse Mayor. A necessary action to punishment the past and prevent future trouble.
I would like to reiterate how big of a crime Arno committed. His actions helped further a kidnapping attempt against the Aubs adopted daughter. While from our point of view his punishment seems extreme, in this world his crimes were way more severe than Shikikozas.
He also stopped fran from intervening with Shizuka, 100% against his masters command, people were too distracted to notice that but if myne had complained about it then he would have been executed then i think.
The practical side of me has always wondered how Ferdinand killed Arno. With Ferdinand’s personality he would do it himself, no Tony Soprano-like having one of his guys take Arno for a swim with the fishes. It would be with magic and not leave a mess. Execution like in Hesse seems too much work. Leaving me to assume there’s other magic like “Grasp Heart” from Overlord and some spell to cleanly dispose of the remains. Whatever he used may have been the same way the former High Bishop had the grey priestesses purged.
Bottom line is there’s more lethal magic that hasn’t been discussed.
A sword through him would be lethal enough. Or if doesn't want to deal with the corpse, he could waste some mana and attack him like he attacked Bindewald. Anyone not protected by Rozemyne just disappeared.
> “The gray shrine maidens and collapsed Devouring soldiers, however, were nowhere to be seen; they had no means of protecting themselves from the explosion of mana that had erased them from existence.”
Basically as a Knight, there's a lot of lethal magic he could use that'd be overkill (like the attack he ised against the Goltze). Add in Archducal magic and it becomes even more so. The execution magic might not even be that much work if the temple keeps badges of grey priests.
> Whatever he used may have been the same way the former High Bishop had the grey priestesses purged.
Doubt it simply because he doesn't know magic himself and I don't see Veronica having a noble do the dirty work of killing grey priests with mana.
May be wrong, but pretty sure destroying badges doesn't kill people...I think. But, esp for commoners, yeah there's a bunch of ways they could just straight up vaporize someone. The LNs mention that before modern noble toilets were invented, nobles would just dispose of refuse with a quick bit of magic. So vaporizing things is no big deal.
Minor spoilers for near end of P5: >!For nobles at least, the badges allow them to use schtappes. When they are destroyed, they simply lose that ability iirc.!<
Destroying badge with archducal magic kills them like in Hasse execution.
[Late P5 spoiler] >!If a person isn't in the duchy (or country for Zents) it doesn't kill them. Only removes their Schtappe. That's why Grausam and Gervasio were alive but didn't have their Schtappe!<
I assume he was taken off with the high bishops servants and executed the same way. Baptisim certificates seem to be the standard way to execute commoners like hasse.
Well, Arno went against the clearly discernable will of his master and was obviously malicious in his intent, with his actions having hugely detrimental consequences to Ferdinand's plans. That is one hell of a mess-up
Arno was killed because he was a problem. His personal grudge caused all the mayhem at end of P2 and almost caused Ferdinand's plan to fail. The only thing that saved Myne them was the adoption magic tool Sylvester had given her as a precaution.
Ferdinand has no issue with killing people. Especially if they are enemies. Remember Hasse.
Hahaha same on the spoilers front. I'm a very not patient person, so I usually end up seeing some sort of spoiler sooner or later, but never before had that changed nothing in my story investment, I can't wait for everything to go to shit. I've been subbed to J-Novel since Semptember 2020 (I'm getting old rip) and my obsession has gone as far a getting both me and my roommate Pavloved into recognising it's Monday by the sound of my "yo, wrap up whatever you're doing, Honzuki goes up in 30" alarm xd
I'm pretty sure I won't, for there are other reasons that wouldn't let me, but I might break down and start something more hardcore... :D I mean, I have books in Japanese, so... That being said, I enjoy J-Novel's work so much that I'd feel like a heathen doing that... So I'll probably just wait or read the said pre-pub discussions, like I mentioned, even being exposed to Bookworm's spoilers all I feel is excitement and anticipation. I'll just have to wait for the actual thing for greater details. :D (I swear I'm not an M)
Yeah Arno dead. Ferdinand killed him waaaayyyy back at the end of P2V4 So that scene where Ferdinand says to Fran: “I see. Good, then. I have distanced Arno since his own actions had been unduly influenced by his past experience with blue shrine maidens, but I hope that you continue to serve Rozemyne well.” And then Fran thinks: I exhaled, understanding the intent behind the High Priest’s short, coded message. I had thought it strange that Arno was not among the High Priest’s other attendants, but it seemed that he had climbed the towering stairway Climbed the towering stairway is noble talk for died. We just hadn't learned that yet at until sometime in part 3 I think. 'Wait Arno died' is a common re-read realization for that reason.
Yes, I remember Ferdinand's words... but not Fran's thoughts. This is it. :x After P4, I feel like I understand noble euphemisms better than Wilfried does... I'm doing it all wrong, but I guess that after re-reading P3, I'll move to P2 next... :D (if P5V2 won't appear first). Thanks once again.
Uhhh, so it was like this after all... Q\_Q I see. Thanks for the confirmation. I forgot that Ferdinand is a proper noble, but after reading the talks about ex-High Bishop's "grey" purge to leave only handsome and beautiful priests and priestess... I kinda hoped that he was reassigned or something... Gotcha.
Ferdinand wouldn't reassign him since Arno was too involved in his life so would be a security risk. But Arno had just shown himself to be a security risk while working for him. Arno demonstrated that he prioritized messing with Fran over properlty serving Ferdinand and that was unacceptable. And since in noble thinking execution for wrongs committed is common, he killed him. To Ferdinand killing Arno would be nothing like the purge of the ugly grey priests. If he had to categorize it he would place in the same column as the execution of the Hasse Mayor. A necessary action to punishment the past and prevent future trouble.
I would like to reiterate how big of a crime Arno committed. His actions helped further a kidnapping attempt against the Aubs adopted daughter. While from our point of view his punishment seems extreme, in this world his crimes were way more severe than Shikikozas.
He also stopped fran from intervening with Shizuka, 100% against his masters command, people were too distracted to notice that but if myne had complained about it then he would have been executed then i think.
Very good point, never thought of that.
The practical side of me has always wondered how Ferdinand killed Arno. With Ferdinand’s personality he would do it himself, no Tony Soprano-like having one of his guys take Arno for a swim with the fishes. It would be with magic and not leave a mess. Execution like in Hesse seems too much work. Leaving me to assume there’s other magic like “Grasp Heart” from Overlord and some spell to cleanly dispose of the remains. Whatever he used may have been the same way the former High Bishop had the grey priestesses purged. Bottom line is there’s more lethal magic that hasn’t been discussed.
A sword through him would be lethal enough. Or if doesn't want to deal with the corpse, he could waste some mana and attack him like he attacked Bindewald. Anyone not protected by Rozemyne just disappeared. > “The gray shrine maidens and collapsed Devouring soldiers, however, were nowhere to be seen; they had no means of protecting themselves from the explosion of mana that had erased them from existence.” Basically as a Knight, there's a lot of lethal magic he could use that'd be overkill (like the attack he ised against the Goltze). Add in Archducal magic and it becomes even more so. The execution magic might not even be that much work if the temple keeps badges of grey priests. > Whatever he used may have been the same way the former High Bishop had the grey priestesses purged. Doubt it simply because he doesn't know magic himself and I don't see Veronica having a noble do the dirty work of killing grey priests with mana.
I agree the former High Bishop didn’t have the mana to kill anyone, nor did he have the guts to do it himself. He had someone else do it for him.
May be wrong, but pretty sure destroying badges doesn't kill people...I think. But, esp for commoners, yeah there's a bunch of ways they could just straight up vaporize someone. The LNs mention that before modern noble toilets were invented, nobles would just dispose of refuse with a quick bit of magic. So vaporizing things is no big deal. Minor spoilers for near end of P5: >!For nobles at least, the badges allow them to use schtappes. When they are destroyed, they simply lose that ability iirc.!<
Destroying badge with archducal magic kills them like in Hasse execution. [Late P5 spoiler] >!If a person isn't in the duchy (or country for Zents) it doesn't kill them. Only removes their Schtappe. That's why Grausam and Gervasio were alive but didn't have their Schtappe!<
Gotcha. That clears some things up.
I assume he was taken off with the high bishops servants and executed the same way. Baptisim certificates seem to be the standard way to execute commoners like hasse.
Well, Arno went against the clearly discernable will of his master and was obviously malicious in his intent, with his actions having hugely detrimental consequences to Ferdinand's plans. That is one hell of a mess-up
Arno was killed because he was a problem. His personal grudge caused all the mayhem at end of P2 and almost caused Ferdinand's plan to fail. The only thing that saved Myne them was the adoption magic tool Sylvester had given her as a precaution. Ferdinand has no issue with killing people. Especially if they are enemies. Remember Hasse.
> We just hadn’t learned that yet at until sometime in part 3 I think. It's in P3V1 Cornelius SS when he talks about Rozemary.
Hahaha same on the spoilers front. I'm a very not patient person, so I usually end up seeing some sort of spoiler sooner or later, but never before had that changed nothing in my story investment, I can't wait for everything to go to shit. I've been subbed to J-Novel since Semptember 2020 (I'm getting old rip) and my obsession has gone as far a getting both me and my roommate Pavloved into recognising it's Monday by the sound of my "yo, wrap up whatever you're doing, Honzuki goes up in 30" alarm xd
We need Myne Day seven days a week.
I suspect you will break down to subscribe. It's too hard to resist when you see the pre pub discussions here every week
I'm pretty sure I won't, for there are other reasons that wouldn't let me, but I might break down and start something more hardcore... :D I mean, I have books in Japanese, so... That being said, I enjoy J-Novel's work so much that I'd feel like a heathen doing that... So I'll probably just wait or read the said pre-pub discussions, like I mentioned, even being exposed to Bookworm's spoilers all I feel is excitement and anticipation. I'll just have to wait for the actual thing for greater details. :D (I swear I'm not an M)
If you buy the digital version from the J-Novel website, you get access to the prepubs for that volume. You don't need to subscribe.
I've read a number of LNs and Kazuki sensei really did a fantastic job with the writing and storytelling.