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ShinyHappyMeeples

What’s the cutoff % for when a markup will get you arrested? So 700% is bad, but is 350% ok? 200%? 100%? Like at what point are we saying, “This is price gouging”?


Melkor462

Person selling equipment to hospitals at 700% markup... bad! Hospitals selling services to people at 2,000% markup... good!


DropBear2702

Is this some sort of American joke that I'm too Australian to understand?


AtlantisTheEmpire

Fortunately for you, yea.


K3yz3rS0z3

Healthcare is free in my country and I get it nevertheless. Selling necessity goods through the legal market at a very high price could apply to many industries, manufacturers, businesses. And the moral entitlement is the same : it's fine when we're doing it, but if others do the same through the black market, the only market they have access to, they're dangerous criminals.


Shamrock8572

It’s not really free. You pay taxes and that money gets used for that. Can we please, get away from using the word free when we talk about the government? Nothing they provide is free. It comes from your tax dollars.


[deleted]

We say it's free, because when you go into hospital/GP/get treatment, you have no out of pocket expenses. We never see the money taken out for medical tax so to us it feels like it's free . A lady at my work just had hernia surgery, she had to wait 3 months but there was no out of pocket expenses.


Marshymellowyellow

True. Honestly free healthcare sounds cool and all until you realize that everyone gets the same care, which also seems fine, but that would mean a LOT more medical positions would need to be filled.


KevinAlertSystem

is it still a joke if its true?


DropBear2702

Yes!


Excal2

But is it still a joke if it makes me unbearably depressed because the crushing reality of it is so absurd and tragic? Asking as an American with a diabetic brother and a fiancee with a complex medical history.


Verified765

Sadly it still is, unfortunately you are part of the set up for the joke.


DropBear2702

Dark humour exists soo.. yes.


AudienceUseful

Oof I am diabetic too but luckily not american, sad dor you man.


Excal2

Sad for millions of us. I just wish that all my brother's hard work came back to him instead of getting dumped into the medical industrial complex :(


AudienceUseful

Prayin for you guys🙏


AudienceUseful

Hope he will get that sorted out


Excal2

There's nothing for him to sort, he's type 1. Government needs to sort it and cap the fucking price or quit with this free market fever dream.


Hurricane41

I feel incredibly lucky to be living in the UK. I developed late onset type 1 diabetes last year... I can’t imagine how much that would cost for the rest of my life in the USA.


trini_key

It would cost your life. 😬 Or an arm and a leg


JellyfishApart5518

Well, comedies and tragedies have strong parallels..


ZacTheOriginal

Comedy = tragedy + time....


djdvelo22

Let's kill the rich and steal there money for the poor


iathax

Let’s stop the rich from stealing the poor’s money.


mercury_millpond

Flair checks out.


LordOfTheWeebsYT

A sad joke, but a joke nonetheless!


DropBear2702

Jokes are like fat chicks... Not everyone likes them! /j


jimtheedcguy

Can confirm, am a proud chubby chaser... It's pretty easy because they don't run too fast. /s


HeywoodPeace

or if they do it's on a treadmill


icantswimnow

We laugh lest we cry


Mikeologyy

Yeah it is cause here in the states we still laugh at those jokes even though we’re crying at the same time


_ThatOneWeeb_

It's a joke when the American healthcare system is a joke


GodEmpror

(Yes and no) Yes because it's ridiculous and no because it's real.


DieAnderTier

I'm a South African who moved to Canada at the age of 12 in 2008 with my family and it would've been Australia if it wasn't for your strict 6 month pet quarantine. Free to give birth up here but an ~average of $30 000 USD down there?! They had some federal bill on the table in the states a few months ago to restrict the cost of lifesaving insulin for diabetics who need it to survive at $35/mo and not a single Republican voted for it. *Not. One.* But the conservative billionaires behind the Sinclair media machine or the Koch family need to be heard too so I'd hate to *discriminate* against these monsters like Martin Shkreli.


WhatProtomolecule

So, just imagine if you bought a slab, and then smuggled it into the footy at the MCG, because it's a market where people are desperate for the product and may be vulnerable to seeking it from an unofficial and less than reputable source. Then you sold a few cans to the players and coaching staff of your favourite team at half time, for double the price that you paid. Then everyone gets really angry at you. But at the bars at the footy, they are selling plastic cups of midstrenght horse piss to the public for $9.80, and that's all cool.


Noah20201

They were $11 on boxing day


TacospacemanII

Nah mate, just imagine the healthcare system here as the prices for regular ass cars-JDM cars in Australia, and realize that everyone smoked crack before demanding those prices 😂


insynSE

Yes and appreciate you don't get it!


DropBear2702

Oh I do, I love paying reasonable prices for life saving medication!


Nijverdal

If you're in a hospital in America withuout healthcare system for an operation, you can ask if they can take your kidney for reselling so you can pay that stupidly large bills they give you.


DropBear2702

Yeah but... On the third time they freak out, asking all these questions like where did you even get that then proceed to call police!


CreepyValuable

Dunno. But as an Aussie I was thinking 5000 x 40 x 7 is a lot of money if he pulled it off.


Whiterosie4812

*too rest of the world


Professional-Group72

We would have had better health care if we lost the Revolutionary War.


Chemical-Row725

you're an australian whose avatar is wearing a koala costume and who has bear in their user.. does it get anymore stereotypical than that?


Ricker3386

It's only a "joke" in the sense that it's literally true and we choose to laugh instead of cry.


AnimatorHuman5525

they sell 2000% markups to insurance


jxl180

There are concrete definitions depending on the state. It’s usually a specific percent increase between x months before an emergency is declared and after. I believe when trump passed the state of emergency PPE anti-gouging executive order, there was a concrete percentage.


sintaur

Guy hoarding: oh no I've always sold these at 700% markup


MixOne1337

Last time this was posted i did the math and if he bought them from alibaba (5000 os the minimum items ordered there) then 700% markup would result in a similar price to amazons.


moonshoeslol

He's guilty for not being rich and owning all of the n95s


Ftpiercecracker1

Depends. What is your company's net worth and do any congressmen have a stake in it?


YankeeTankEngine

I'm pretty sure the pharmabros did an 800% mark up to try and cash out on it.


[deleted]

its about how much you bribe officials. Charge whatever you want, just make sure the enforcers get a trip to cancun or a new porsch.


MountainManWithMojo

It’s bad if it’s and individual, if it’s a business, that’s just the “art of the deal”!


mitchellfuck

Sorry, you have to be a multi million dollar company to do this


Poooooooopee

You aren't one? Damn sucks for you.


Impressive_Ad2052

Damn it! Those multi-millionaire who are hoarding this masks.


Poooooooopee

Yea obviously they don't. Cause it isn't worth the money to them. But if they wanted to, they could. Casually. And would get away with it.


GondorsPants

On Amazon a 50 pack of those masks cost $8 a few weeks ago, went to buy them again and it’s now $80. Have pics as proof, it’s insane.


CallMeHuckle

Was going to say. Isn’t that just the free market?


the2xstandard

Because.... thi... this is a free market & people. n... n..... n... We are a free market economy that should be able to participate in that. \- Nancy Pelosi.


MassFormHysteric

She's rumored to retire if that bill passes, you know.


RetardAndPoors

It is. Politicians and law enforcers are available for purchase and doing so is part of the cost of doing business in the U$A.


drewster23

If you wanted to know, no. It's illegal to price gouge necessary supplies during time of emergency/crisis. Made doubly so during pandemic. This was very early on when doctors couldn't even get their own PPE they were buying it themselves. He easily could've got away with it, if he wasn't telling /showcasing a doctor I believe it was buying it that he had thousands in stock. Who then obviously reported him.


Forward-Village1528

He was supposed to fill out the correct form before price gouging pharmaceuticals. You can't just go out and do it, you gotta go through the correct channels.


Disney_World_Native

Wasn’t this the reason it was illegal. Not because of the markup but because he wasn’t a certified medical supplier


Kungphugrip

This made me say “Man, seriously”… without remembering who is stockpiling it.


dangshake

Who is stock piling it?


ThatsACockroach

Take a guess bud


MrsShapsDryVag

When this screen shit was taken? Literally every person who wasn’t leaving them for medical professionals. Have we already forgotten the mask rush of 2020?


Echohawkdown

Tweets gotta be sometime in March/April 2020. https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/brooklyn-man-arrested-assaulting-fbi-agents-and-making-false-statements-about-his Screenshots could’ve been taken anytime between then and now.


FallaciousStocks

It's their marketing strategy to hoard n95 masks and sell it in higher price, now you can help humanity on that?? Who will buy your n95 masks if all people are infected with the virus, what's the use of your money? makes sense!


LMHConcepts

Interesting how the FBI focuses their attention on the little people and not all the corrupt politicians and companies.... What a backward ass country.


DropBear2702

The little people don't decide how much money they get!


feelingnether

Long live capitalism… i mean oligarchy! Amen


Kaos2018

Its only illegal when done by the lower classes.


TheJewishViking1064

Only illegal if you dont give govt its cut


[deleted]

Ain’t no fun if Uncle Sam can’t have none


Antiqas86

Seriously tho, are you sure it's manufacturer issue? In Sweden, Lithuania and England where I lived insulin is super affordable or free.


redditbot2963

Yeah it's around 400 hundred dollars or more


Antiqas86

Since you mentioned dollars I assume you're from USA. The challange with making insulin affordable in USA is a verry long story from what I understand, but that's quite uniquely USA problem.


MothThatLuvsLamps

Everything medical in the us is extremely marked up in price. Iv bags or some other medical bags are under a dollar to make and are sold for like 100 dollars or something.


Antiqas86

I just read an article to double check, but yeah everything diabetis related is much cheaper in Europe and then that cheaper price is fully or mostly compensated by Healthcare. I really don't understand the problem too well, so take it with a pinch of salt, but from I understand is that US is famous for low taxes and high salaries with no universal Healthcare. It's sort of assumed in US you have to create your own safety nets from private companies or your work provides... Which creates the obvious problem for poor or unemployed and is basicly the pinicle of capitalism On other end you have countries like Sweden where takes are ultra high and if you earn above 4000 dollars a month all that extra cash is 50 percent tax. As a result all education is free, Healthcare is free and a lot of other benefits.


Mastasav

>US is famous for low taxes and high salaries with no universal Healthcare. That is half right. We also have high taxes, it just goes to the military and corporate bailouts.


SADdog2020Pb

“Hmmm… do we take care of our people or blow up the Middle East and bail out the big banks? It’s such a hard choice!”


lilbithippie

We pay the most and get the least from it.


arlito50

You’re right about the military. That’s the reason why I thought, why don’t I join so I can reap the benefits. Ended up not enlisting because my fucking family and friends thought I was too smart to enlist after high school. I feel like most kids should work in the military or just any job in general for 1-2 years before going to college. I think 4 years in the military would’ve helped me grow up. Took me 6 years to graduate college just cuz I didn’t know what I wanted to do and changed my major 4 times causing me to graduate late.


V01dEyes

College graduate here w 3+ years of experience. I make ~$52,000/year and my after tax take home is about $2800/month or 33,600/year. That’s ~65% take home or ~35% taxes. That $2800 is also before I contribute to retirement and pay for healthcare. If I add those things in, my take home is about ~2600/month which is roughly a 40% tax. I’m also in debt for school about $25,000 which is *MUCH* lower than average. It’s not even that any extra cash is taxed at 50%. It’s just a straight 40% tax (for me) and I’m still expected to pay for my own (shitty, non comprehensive) healthcare.


Mynameisinuse

Decent insurance for a family is about $800 a month ($9600 a year). Your out of pocket before they cover 100% is $5000. The $5000 out of pocket is only for one person. Each person on insurance has to meet the $5000 deductible. For a family of 3, it is $24,600 a year before your family is covered 100%. The best part of it is that the insurance company can decide what doctors you use, what prescriptions they cover (and there are price tiers. Not all prescriptions cost the same) and what procedures they will cover. And surprise, they can decide after the fact that they don't cover something. I once had chemotherapy delayed because they wanted to make sure it was medically necessary. They wanted to make sure that there wasn't a cheaper alternative. All this from a company with stock at almost $400 a share and $3.4 billion in profits.


emrythelion

The US really doesn’t have drastically lower taxes or drastically higher wages though. It’s just all part of the propaganda it’s built to stop people for fighting for change.


Whosthatinazebrahat

>The US really doesn’t have drastically lower taxes or drastically higher wages though. I'm not saying health care and education aren't gigantic problems in the US. But unless my Google-Fu is really bad, even a quick search shows that the US federal income tax and VAT (US State) type taxes are drastically lower total on average, ten to fifty per cent in some cases. And is 4th in average wage world-wide. Only behind very small countries with small populations and insane costs of living comparatively (Luxembourg, Switzerland, Iceland). If you have some source that shows the numbers are bad, I'd love to see it as it would make me feel better about having to disagree when I know how shitty US healthcare and education are on average.


watsonwasaboss

It's alot more, especially if any medicine is used. So always ask for an itemized bill before you leave any hospital. You will be charged for those unused iv bags if not. You can compare with your records and prove it. 😏 former Healthcare work..just saying.


iamdonny

Saline bags are about $800 here in the US lol


polycarbonateduser

Price of living Vs. Cost of living


robbyntiger

When I stick you on the ambulance for and iv, you pay my fire dept $400 for the iv bag, which costs about 1.50, you pay $50 for the 25 cent needle and you pay me $300 to stick you with it.. I make $18 an hour as a vol/call medic... The insurance company negotiates a rate and that $1200 ambulance ride turns into 500, if you don't have insurance, we send you a bi for $1200...yes it's disgusting..


dlstiles

What's sad is the guy who is responsible for saving diabetics' lives with insulin fought an uphill battle doing it and didn't try to get rich off it. Sorry, I edited my grammatical error.


Energeticbananaslug

He's been rolling in his grave for a while.


Mynameisinuse

He literally gave the patent away.


Warm_Command7954

They always concoct long, needlessly complex stories to hide the simple truth... that pharma spends a fuck load of money lobbying congress to allow them to rape the masses. It REALLY is that simple.


emrythelion

It’s not a long story. It’s just greed. Literally nothing more.


[deleted]

A study in 2018 estimated that one vial of human insulin costs only $2.28- $3.42 to produce and that one vial of analog insulin costs only $3.69- $6.16 to produce. It has nothing to do with affordability. It's about the extortion of a group literally reliant on the product to survive.


Replicant_11295

Long story: greed.


nowuff

Yes, government policies enable firms to price discriminate and gouge consumers, especially when given a monopoly


dlstiles

America is way different, I have type 1 diabetes and the pharmas are allowed to do that here.


[deleted]

A study in 2018 estimated that one vial of human insulin costs only $2.28- $3.42 to produce and that one vial of analog insulin costs only $3.69- $6.16 to produce. In the US, it's all about extorting as much money as humanly possible on those reliant on a product.


North-Opportunity-80

Or pay offs.


kalitarios

> Only illegal if you dont give govt its cut this, so much this. when I was manufacturing hot sauces (small batch, high end types) the amount of red tape and fees, licenses and other stuff is absurd. Don't pay for that inspection? fine. Don't pay for the annual license? fine. Don't pay for the extra licenses and certifications? fine fine fine. But pay the fees and licenses? They don't bother you, or even checking in (maybe the inspection, but I was never inspected they just took my check and gave me approval for my kitchen) every step of the way is a fine, or a hand out expecting a payment. once paid, they don't care anymore. they just want their cut


TheJewishViking1064

I owned a business once, lots of bribes and back room deals. Also it was who you knew otherwise the local and state would fuck you. Then the big boys would come along later, that's if you made any money or had any left over. I tried to start another business later on but local mfg's saw it as a threat and made sure i didn't get any backing.


zsg101

Government gets its cut either way. What makes it legal is giving *politicians* their cut and buying ads in the corporate media.


sleeplessknight101

Why don't you guys revolt against this gangster bull shit.


TheJewishViking1064

It's legal for them to kill you if you dont pay them.


schevenin

Its sad


Urisk

Seriously, go to Amazon and look up what they are selling N95 masks for right now. Seventy to one hundred dollars for masks that cost twenty bucks a month or two back. Where is the FBI right now? Wouldn't we all laugh if Jeff Bezos was arrested for committing the same crime this idiot committed?


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Kaos2018 is a spam account Comment copied from: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ldwd4n/n95/gm82yhu/


strangetrip666

Hijacking the top comment and all. What a douch.


LeonJones

Why did you put this on /r/holup?


1241yeah

Applies to any crime


MulciberTenebras

IRS don't care if you're doing crime so long as you remember to give them a cut of the profits. Just look what happened to Al Capone or the Joker.


knightbane007

Yup. It's literally in the IRS guidelines. They explicitly mention that you have to declare your income from illegal activity, and also declare the fair market value of any items you steal, along with specific instructions on which section to file which sort of illegal activities under... Here's the [link](https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17), search in page for "illegal activities" or "stolen property: **Illegal activities.** Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Schedule 1 (Form 1040), line 8z, or on Schedule C (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity. **Stolen property.** If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless you return it to its rightful owner in the same year.


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Ey3_913

I remember this defense lawyer who spoke to my 1L criminal law class once who broke down white-collar crime like this: - rich stealing from poor: legal and cool - rich stealing from rich: legal, but not cool - poor stealing from rich: illegal and totally not cool


uniq

What about poor stealing from poor? Please, it's urgent


KarmaRepellant

That would be the 'illegal but cool' category.


Ey3_913

I refer you to the clearance rate for theft/larceny cases for an answer (spoiler alert, the clearance rate is very low).


VamanaGG

Illegal and not cool, but police doesn’t care.


LiterallyEvolution

Beat up a homeless person close to death and nobody blinks. Punch a senator's son in the face once and everybody freaks out.


TheDutchin

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets and to steal bread


EMAW2008

Well, there’s only punishment for the lower class.


JammyThing

That's the most depressingly funny thing I've read today.


NoahTDDG

As a diabetic I'd love to get my insulin veil and not spend 800$ a peice


AllForTheSauce

\*Laughs in European\*


DropBear2702

\*Laughs in Australian\*


NoahTDDG

Crys in American


IrishShamrok

The house passed a bill thats caps the price of insulin at 35$ passed two months ago they also passed on the 1st a no suprise bill that gets rid of suprise medical bills


AllForTheSauce

\*Laughs in European about skin cancer\*


3-Putt-Bart

He should have payed a lobbyist.


Very_Cool_Man

why is that illegal?


[deleted]

Hoarding medical supplies and attempting to price gouge on health should always be illegal. I’d argue it’s not illegal enough, since congressmen get away with it but non-political citizens don’t.


Very_Cool_Man

Yeah you're right,I just doesn't understand why the FBI raided them


jxl180

Trump passed an executive order in 2019 making gouging and hoarding of PPE a federal crime. This image is 2 years old.


Very_Cool_Man

Trump's a chad for that


[deleted]

Nobody is gonna arrest Joe Manchin's daughter.


jareehD

[what a gross piece of shit](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/ohvvmx/heather_bresch_ceo_of_mylan_that_increased_the/h4s0v32/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


Infinite_Weekend_909

You can't make money! That's only what rich people are allowed to do!


joebasilfarmer

It's only bad if the little guy does something. Corporations are allowed!


SeedElite

Link to article not Twitter please?


selfdestruction9000

This is Reddit, a screenshot of a tweet or a homemade meme is all the proof anyone needs.


Slendy5127

Eh, at the very least [there’s sizeable nugget of truth here](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/villian-selling-coronavirus-supplies-20200330-ppda2n5zoza6fcingzk3lvagha-story.html). It’s a story from around two year ago


SeedElite

Is the tweet 2 years old too? No time stamps... this does affect my vote. Source do not have Twitter


FirstDivision

Pretty sure I remember this from close to the beginning of the first toilet paper, mask, etc shortages and stuff.


Spastic_Slapstick

Yeah he had thousands of masks in his house. I definitely remember that from the beginning of the pandemic.


standardtissue

Right, and they had been declared a critical medical item by the state department as well, and from the article his clients included doctors and nurses staffing up medical teams - of course there's no mention of how many his customers were med teams and how many were just random neighbors etc, but this wasn't quite a simple case of "guy loads up on TP at costco".


Slendy5127

No idea on the age of the tweet, and I’m too lazy to go looking for that part


nevergotgold

I remember when this happened. It was a guy from New York who was doing it and when they went in to take away all those masks from him, he proceeded to spit on the authorities while he was arrested. Despicable human being


gewyvoso

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/brooklyn-man-arrested-assaulting-fbi-agents-and-making-false-statements-about-his https://web.archive.org/web/20200401164930/https://twitter.com/kaimandante/status/1245388367761682440


SovietTurtle06

Cool, now do the gpu scalpers next


Ans425

I do this with used condoms and have had no encounters with the law. Even sell for 1000% markup


theperrywinkle05

Where’s the hol’ up?


AndreySemyonovitch

No no you see this wasn't a corporation doing it. It was an individual citizen making a profit. You see the difference now right civilian?


protosser

This image is over 2 years old


stalechips

And it's hit the front page at least 7 times.


Tired_Duckk

r/whitepeopletwitter is that way


WorkingContext

I hate how every big subs becomes a politics sub


fnafismylife

Also hit up the ps5 scalpers


LorrainWolbert

I contribute to retirement and pay for healthcare?


LorrainWolbert

Only behind very small countries with small populations and insane costs of living comparatively?


PhilosophySimple5475

Why doesn’t the Reddit comments just make insulin companies and undercut the market?


sm0gbong

Put this shit on r/whitepeopletwitter This sub has become shit tier, looking like every other left leaning sub these days


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ElevenBurnie

Yeah, this nonsensical right wing bullshit lie has to end. My insulin prices never went down under trump. Im a type 1 diabetic. I would know.


FnkyTown

Well, typical to Trump he said "do A", without addressing the resulting B, C and D nightmares it created. Trump's action put every health clinic in the program, independently in charge of constantly verifying users income and if they were under poverty guideline standards, and if they screwed it up they'd face Federal penalties. Health clinics operating on shoestring budgets, especially during Covid, don't have the people, money and resources to track and verify the income of everybody who needed the service, so that action as-written was rescinded. A federal program is now being developed to address the issue, but the action still requires the government to purchase insulin at unnegotiated prices, which literally only makes the asshole company (Senator Joe Manchin's daughter) who spiked the cost of insulin, richer. It's like Trump made a rule that we could only purchase oil to refill our nation's oil reserves when oil prices were at their peak. It was beyond dumb. Trump was obviously terrible at negotiation and business.


Saikou0taku

Any reason the Federal penalties couldn't have been removed so we keep the system in the meantime without requiring income verification? I get it's a bad short term, but it seems better than uncapping the price limit.


FnkyTown

I think by law health clinics had to provide the service as written, and they requested it be rewritten, so instead of a quick bandaid that might have screwed something else up, the Biden administration took a long boring professional approach to sorting it out. It still doesn't address our government buying unnegotiated Insulin, but I agree with you that a temp fix would have been better, but I think Covid made a lot of normal possible things pretty impossible regarding health care right now. I'm not here to debate every detail. I'm sorry. I just knew it wasn't as simple as "Trump cut Insulin costs, Biden stopped it" because this isn't Bizarro World.


u8eR

It's worth noting that the Build Back Better bill has provisions to cap insulin prices for consumers.


JBHUTT09

Means testing is such a waste of time and resources, and for what. Just do it for everyone. No one chooses to need insulin.


Schwifty_Piggy

Exactly. No one chooses to have a medical condition that needs treatment. Thus, universal healthcare is the only solution with the public’s best interest at heart.


zodar

Made insulin affordable for whom?


Slendy5127

Except Trump didn’t really make insulin affordable and Biden reversed Trump’s order because it was (predictably) causing other issues


thedustiest19

What issues was it causing?


Jozroz

>Well, typical to Trump he said "do A", without addressing the resulting B, C and D nightmares it created. Trump's action put every health clinic in the program, independently in charge of constantly verifying users income and if they were under poverty guideline standards, and if they screwed it up they'd face Federal penalties. Health clinics operating on shoestring budgets, especially during Covid, don't have the people, money and resources to track and verify the income of everybody who needed the service, so that action as-written was rescinded. > >A federal program is now being developed to address the issue, but the action still requires the government to purchase insulin at unnegotiated prices, which literally only makes the asshole company (Senator Joe Manchin's daughter) who spiked the cost of insulin, richer. It's like Trump made a rule that we could only purchase oil to refill our nation's oil reserves when oil prices were at their peak. It was beyond dumb. Trump was obviously terrible at negotiation and business. Quoting u/FnkyTown


u8eR

>HHS finds the 2020 Rule’s implementation would have resulted in reduced resources available to support critical services to health center patients — including those who use insulin and injectable epinephrine. HHS’s consideration of the 2020 Rule’s impact was informed, in part, by the demands on health centers resulting from the COVID-19 pandemic. As Executive Order 13937 remains in effect, HHS is exploring non-regulatory options to implement the Executive Order.


Jacethemindstealer

Insulin costs in america are just awful. So glad not to be American


Miewx

Same. I'm reading this, sitting here with gestational diabetes, with free insulin. All my diabetes equipment was completely free. Only thing i had to pay was €20 for a box of 100 needles for the insulin pens. They will last me my entire pregnancy.


fearphage

What's illegal here? Was he a minority? What am I missing? Source?


notreally_bot2428

I found this: https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/feds-distribute-200k-n95-masks-seized-from-coronavirus-hoarder/ From April 2020 It seems that under the "Defense Production Act", the federal government can seize property which it has decided are essential in an emergency or for national defense. But, they must compensate the owner "at fair market value" -- which is whatever the government feels like paying, I guess.


damo251

Nek minnit, FBI raids twitter user Bae Guevara's home and found the 2 pounds of canabis that they bought with them........


GU355WH01AM

Now they need to do it to corporations. Its been 2 years so they're raising prices. Record profits and raising prices.


izzo34

Police are there to protect the companies not us. They probably took them and sold them for what he was.


Bottle-nosed-dolphin

Please my type one diabetes begs


Riggie_Joe

[found a legitimate source](https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/brooklyn-man-arrested-for-hoarding-masks-coughing-on-fbi-agents/)


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Then who the fuck is going to make all the insulin?!?!


razorback1234567

Why was he raided again? Did he steal those masks or something? I don't think usa has an anti hoarding law


miser1

did he break the law? isn’t this just capitalism?


PlasticHorrors

Oh, but, you see, they aren't hoarding them, they just have an insanely high base price, so it's fine! Joe Manchin needs to go.


RedditToMyself

They should really go after the assholes who marked up the EpiPen


herna473

Desantis has exited the chat.