By - EnkelALB
Literally learned this like a month ago in history.
Was it a super duper bright idea?
Drop multiple nukes on the entire border between China and N Korea and also drop a few nukes directly on major chinese cities.
That's just... I can't even....
It's worth noting that McArthur was a respected military leader and a veteran of WW2, rewarded with multiple medals and honors at the time
Also critical part in the success of defending the Korean peninsula.
That's such a BRIGHT idea!
Honestly would be very effective. Cutting Chinese troops from Korea mainland and then taking our critical Chinese industry and population centers greatly lowering moral and war support. Although not very diplomatic.
Do you know how many civillians would die because of nuking the cities and how terrible the impact of nuking the border would be? I also really doubt that the world, especially USSR, would just let that attack slide.
Come on, bro, let's think long term about the consequences of our actions.
Well no shit, I'm saying it would be effective to winning the war. USSR pr would skyrocket and America would look horrible but the USSR couldn't do anything short term to stop them. They didn't have the nuclear arsenal necessary and they can't wait years and then say "we nuking you back for China". Of course not viable but in the short term, it would be a easy way to win the Korean war but long term, the US would been as a war mongering nation with no regard for human life.
Ehhh you’d just be extending the Korean War into WW3, even in the short term. Bear in mind that Chinese forces at that time had only committed a fraction of a fraction of their forces, with none of their air reserves being committed to the fight in Korea. To say nothing of the soviets, which had hundreds of thousand of fresh seasoned veterans within spitting distance of the Korean Peninsula. And their subs, which would’ve been easily capable of interdicting any attempted withdrawal or resupply. MacArthur very much overestimated his own capabilities in the matter as well as underestimated the capabilities of the enemy he was fighting. Something the joint chiefs of staff at the time were well aware of.
Interdicting. I learned a new word today.
100,000 lumen idea
What happened ?
MacArthur wanted to use nukes in the Korean War because "haha nukes go brrrr"
Specifically use about 50 of them and drop them across the Korean-Chinese border, iirc. I could be wrong, but he did want to use nukes, though he didn't exactly know how they worked and thought they were just big bombs with no radiation.
>he didn't exactly know how they worked and thought they were just big bombs with no radiation
This is astonishingly wrong. He even had specifically discussed the possibility of using the fallout to barricade the Chinese out of North Korea.
Didn't he specifically ask for cobalt salt bombs? Like, probably the worst kind of bomb for nuclear fallout.
The idea was to prevent the Chinese from sending an army to the Korean peninsula by making the border too radioactive to cross.
Scarcely populated border compared to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Well as long as they were Strategically dropped mostly in Manchuria far enough away from the Korean border the radiation wouldn’t be that much of a problem. As these bombs were still early in their development they hadn’t quite gotten to the destructive level they would later on in the Cold War nor The sheer level of radiation that they would later spread if they were unleashed later on in the Cold War. It would also probably cripple the Chinese and convince the very dense Mao to back off. It would also lead to a rather swift conclusion of the Korean War as the Chinese would probably back off rather quickly fearing the US would go completely apeshit and nuke everything though this would lead to higher tension throughout the Cold War and would lead to the Cold War getting hot on a lot more occasions. But it would also likely lead to a victory in the Vietnam war (after seeing the US go completely insane in Korea the Soviets would probably be a bit more cautious and lend less support to N Vietnam not wanting the US to freak out again and launch a bunch more nukes) and would lead to Korea being united and free. (The dictatorship even with the victory against North Korea would likely collapse at the same time). But overall it probably would not be worth it as with all the tension it would cause and all the other times the cold war would get hot because of it, we would be far more likely to see a nuclear war in which everyone dies so overall not worth it but still a relatively plausible idea and very effective in the short term long-term though the US is employed strategy was far superior and safer.
we don't know the intent of mao, but the Chinese got involved only after the US army went too close to comfort zone and when US planes were crossing over the korea/china border, as if trying to start a dick measuring contest with a regime that just got into power less than 3 years prior. Everyone would be worst off if the guy that started the dick measuring contest, lets' say, started to jack it off while at it
You can’t seriously be contemplating dropping nuclear warheads into China to secure a victory in Korea?
No. He did know about the radiation which is why he wanted to drop them on the border, to irradiate the whole length of it so that no Chinese troops could pass through.
What’s the point of having power if you can’t use it?
The soviets had nukes in 1949 so
What could have been~
Mao had the same idea for Taiwan, but didn’t have nukes yet.
It in part led to the sino Soviet split
Like Myking the east side/coast and land in the west?
Nah. Draw USA into mainland China, then nuking the battlefield.
“In memoirs, Gromyko Says Mao Wanted Soviet A-Bomb Used on G.I.'s”
That sounds dumb asfk, ngl. But thanks for the answer.
We need more of this format
Big problems require big solutions think smarter not harder lol
You cant commit a warcrime on a country you don't recognize, work smarter, not harder!
Its not a war crime if they haven't decied it is a war crime.
Dropping nukes isn’t a war time you idiot. It’s fucking just war.
I mean, it would've worked. It was a viable plan.
If the soviets didn't have nukes or didn't retaliate (unlikely), yeah, it could have
Soviets didn't have a viable option to strike continental US where as US had bases all over the world. Remember this was before ICBMs and Long range Bombers with inflight refueling.
They could hit south korea and wipe out the entire allied force, they could hit Europe
LOL, no they couldnt, they literally had their first bomb the previous year.
In 1950 the USSR had about 5 bombs, the US had 300. In 1955 they had 200 WHILE THE US HAD OVER 2500.
It wasnt until the 70s/80s that the Soviets outnumbered US weapons.
ight, fair enough
It was against *china*, not the USSR. There wouldn't be much of a reason to retaliate.
China was an ally of the USSR, it would have been as if the soviets nuked Britain or France, and while that being unfathomably based and the best argument in favor of communism I have ever heard, I do not think the US would just sit there with it's arms crossed and saying "well that ain't my problem"
No it would not. China and the USSR was not ever as close as Britain was to the US
The USSR and China were only friendly because they were both communists. It would've made the soviets nervous, but neither side wanted to start a nuclear war any more than the other.
I mean why would the sovits retaliate unless we attake them? It be like the US attakeing the sovits for invading iran.
the chinese retaliated and we didn’t attack them.
WTF are you talking about when the Chinese entered the koren war the north koren milltary was basically wipe out. We directly fought the Chinese for a few years intel the war "ended". Hell the whole reason why McArthur wanted to nuke korea.
Yeah the chinese went into the war only because we were too close to their border. We never actually invaded them first and they still “retaliated”
Ok im miss understood what you were saying but put your self in the Chinese shoes. Don't want a US allie on your broder and for all you know the McArthur balls might be actually big enough to just go into Manchuria I mean he did want to nuke them.
Soviets only had like 5 nukes in 1950 and no way to deliver them.
Ngl it was one last chance before nuclear bombs could have been used without the fear of nuclear counterattack
The south korean loves MacArthur though, he was one of the reason south korea ended like now, not like the messed up north korea. The only reason why china dares to attack back is because the confirmation that US wouldn’t use the nukes thus resulted on today misserable state of north korea
Wasn't the whole point of nuking north korea was to stop the Chinese for saving north koreas ass.
Mao fears the nuke, he only attack after he certain US would not use the nukes. if only the US make ambiguous statement about using nukes not full outright saying they would not use it. Then Mao probably would never move the army
History has taught us not to entrust anything to MacArthur unless the goal is extravagant (often effective) violence
He was crazy/wrong but it would have worked.
For those who don’t know, MacArthur wanted to drop about 50 small tactical nukes across the Sino-Korean border, severing supply and ground support knowing the Chinese wouldn’t dare cross an irradiated wasteland
Unrelated: What's this show called? I forgot.
It's a movie, Monsters vs Aliens
It's simple.....we radiate the Chinese
To his credit, his plan would’ve worked.
Horrifically. Perhaps too well. But for a while there, he was correct in his tactical assertion that we had a card almost nobody else could play.
Truman should’ve listened
As much shit as McArthur gets he was right in one thing. The real danger was China, not the Soviets.
I didn't know MacArthur was a controversial figure until college. I was born and grew up in Korea and we freakin love that dude over there.
I mean, it would have worked, but theres something to be said about dropping nuclear warheads on a country that isnt even officially at war with you.
Might as well have been considering active combat occurred between Chinese and us units
Well I imagine they would have said something to the effect of "we are committed to this police action in Korea to stop north korea illegal war against the the South and the rogue terrorist state know as the poeples Republic of China have use there forces to defend the rouge North koren state. The international community and the United States will use any means nessary including the use of the atomic bomb to stop the rouge north koren state and the Chinese terrorist."
True, It would've been very very bright
If Truman listened to him, all of Korea would be like South Korea.
Don't shit on MacArthur. The worst part about his plan was the political precedent it may have set.
The northern part of Korea will be like chernobyl. so no.
He didn't want to bomb north Korea, he wanted to bomb North of North korea,, to cut off Chinese troops from reinforcing them.
the radiation will spread into North Korea and outer manchuria。
Well if this was the 60s you might have a point but back then they had low grade fission bombs so unless you near ground zero radiological danger is none existent.
I am pretty sure the Chinese border is super near northern Korea and outer manchuria.
The chines border is on top on the north koren border and Russia has a 2 mile border to the west.
Radiation can travel through the wind. So maybe those places I listed won't be affected by radiation on the initial blast. But they will be affected sooner or later.
The USA planned not to use just 1 or 2, but 34 atomic bombs on China. Do you know how devastating that will be? And yes, maybe the bombs are low grade. But 2 of those atomic bombs managed to kill 10k to 22k Japanese.
Like I said back the the US only had low grade fission bombs. The fallout won't travel far form ground zero. Also the reason why the Japanese bombing were deadly (you are off with the casualties is was more 100k with both bombings) was becuse it was drop dead center of a city. Last time I checked the north korena Chinese border dosnt have alot of poeple liveing there. I'm thinking you are over estimating how big nukes are. Assuming you drop little boy in the middle of Central Park it wouldn't destroy the whole Park even if 95% been affected by the blast.
Macaurthor is planning on dropping 37, not just one
Hope those Siberians like dying of cancer 😎👍
You know, the war would have indeed ended. As a matter of fact, the soviets wouldn’t be a problem ever again
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Yet another shitheel senator from Wisconsin.
You really, really think Ron Johnson would learn from how we talk about McCarthy today that he should probably stop being such a dickhead.
What did this guy say or do? I googled it and didn't come up with anything that would be related to mccarther wanting to use nukes.
Ron Johnson lol?
Do you follow politics at all?
Start here: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/ron-johnson/
Over 50% of his statements are "mostly false".
He is on the wrong side of climate change, social equality, and the economy.
I compare him to McCarthy because he uses the same right-wing scare tactics McCarthy did. He paints the left as evil, unmoralled, and then paints himself as a bastion of morality despite being one of the most Russia-funded and tied politicians.
There are Russian TVs thanking Ron Johnson. If the global fascists praise you, you may be a fascist.
I follow politics but I dont general give a shit about about the capital hill becuse all of them are corrupt dosnt matter if they have a R or a D after there name they are all funed by the same corporate interests.
Also Russia it not fascist its a Oligarchy. Kinda how china intel recently hasn't been a one man dictatorship but more of a 5 man dictatorship after mao loss polical power.
He was right
What was this from?
Monsters Vs Aliens
I read this as MacArthur VS Aliens
Don't forget that this movie canonically ended in all out nuclear armageddon.
Aaaaannnd he got fired.
Haha, he sure was a funny guy
Curtis LeMay: write that down, write that down!
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I have no clue why I thought that was marks voice
Can somebody give me a credible source for this?
I know that it is always claimed that MacArthur wanted to do this, but it just came to me that it could just be misinformation
Wasn't he like fired for this idea
I wish he killed those bastards people in North Korea and some other countries still suffering from cold War