T O P

To be fair, they were fairly distant cousins

To be fair, they were fairly distant cousins

et37n

It didn’t help that Theodore Roosevelt at the wedding said something along the lines of “best to keep the name in the family.”


Historybuff_14

Eleanor was the niece of Theodore Roosevelt


et37n

Indeed, he was the one to walk her down the aisle after all.


Historybuff_14

Why wouldn’t he have


et37n

Well if her dad wasn’t admitted to an insane asylum and then also dead, I assume he would’ve been the one to do so.


irishjihad

Would have been creepy if he had.


jlo47

Weekend at Teddy's


usgrant7977

Lmao!


reda84100

Well Teddy was the *president* at the time so even if that didn't happen it would probably still be him doing it


pepelesadbot

So wait FDR and Teddy were related, I know they share a last name but doesn't necessarily mean they share the same blood


Historybuff_14

FDR was his 5th cousin wasn’t related I think


SlapaDaBass2731

"Dynasties" are pretty popular, even in democracies.


crimestopper312

What in the Clinton are you Bushing aKennedy?


80_firebird

Do the Clintons count? Only one was president.


crimestopper312

Of course. His wife was practically running from 2000-2016. They make tons of money on speaking engagements and Hillary's only child is a professional "advocate", whatever that means. Only one Kennedy was president too, but no one questions that because it's clear what they were going for.


80_firebird

Fair enough. I would have used the Adams though.


crimestopper312

There's plenty. I just chose the three most well known.


Twogunkid

or Bush.


80_firebird

He mentioned them in the original comment.


Kaarl_Mills

Yeah and John's father was the governor of Massachusetts and a well known businessman, even if there's only one president among them they still have 2 senators, an Attorney General


wsdpii

We were inspired by the Roman Republic after all, it's not surprising that we'd end up in the same situation where the same families hold power for generations.


finalicht

Funny thing is: Franklin and Theodore Roosevelts are actually further related than many other presidents to each other. Barack Obama is technically James Madison's 2nd cousin


ArchaicDodo1994

3rd cousin, 9 times removed, actually. Other relatives include King Edward I of England, his 23rd great grandfather; William the Conqueror, his 29th great grandfather; King Louis VI of France, his 28th great grandfather; Charlemagne, his 39th great grandfather; Lyndon B Johnson, his fourth cousin three times removed; and Robert E. Lee, his fifth cousin eight times removed.


Dominum_Pullum

I’m a direct descent of William the conqueror too. I’m practically a president


Aliensinnoh

Ha! I’ve found both William the Conqueror, the last Viking King of England, King John, and Emperor John II Komnenos of the Byzantine Empire among my 1 billion 30th generation ancestors. Bow before me, peasant. (If anyone wants to have fun looking at this stuff if you go back a few generations in you family tree you can probably find at least one ancestor who is attached to some massive tree on FamilySearch.com, you can click around there and usually discover a couple royal ancestors)


Dominum_Pullum

Lol I use geni (known to be inaccurate so this is all for fun) and it says I’m related to Emperor Maximian


finalicht

As someone with Zero English ancestry...I'm kind of amazed at how close everyone is related and how detailed the records are kept


jflb96

I feel like listing the ancestor of a previous person in the list is somewhat stating the obvious


ArchaicDodo1994

My purpose for doing so was to have the more famous kings (William the Conqueror, Charlemagne) and then the others show where the kingly line ended in his family tree.


jflb96

Are you saying that *Malleus Scotorum* is less famous than some tanner's grandson?


Kered13

Almost every living person with any European ancestry at all is descended from those kings, just because of how long ago they lived.


PresidentWordSalad

How does that work, if they’re separated by 200 centuries? Genuinely curious.


FranchiseCA

One of Obama's direct ancestors is a same generation second cousin as Madison, Obama is a descendant of that person. The number of generations different is what is said as "X times removed." My first cousin's grandchild is my first cousin, twice removed. (Or 1C2R, in genealogist lingo.)


hubril

Habsburgs,DixieCrats from Alabama:(Round of Applause)


Raid-Z3r0

You forgot the greek gods


finalicht

Egyptian Pharoahs


Great_Future7361

He had to get the southern vote somehow, might as well follow their traditions.


hubril

Roosevelt after election:"I don't want to play with you anymore" **sidelines dixiecrats from the Democratic Party*


PrincessSporus

Ptolemys, Juleo-Claudians, etc


LanceBassProShop

5th cousin once removed.


secret58_

Yeah lbr here most of the time you wouldn’t even notice that.


SidewinderTV

So basically completely unrealated?


flyinggazelletg

100%


GhostWalker134

Nobody would have even commented on it if they didn't have the same last name before marriage.


Dafish55

Well they were, but not to a genetically perilous degree whatsoever.


noble_peace_prize

We are all related in a manner that is (mostly) not genetically perilous are we not?


101stAirborneSkill

All the way from Adam and Eve, baby


tusendraaperregn

yeah, but the most recent common ancestor of all people is noah iirc


101stAirborneSkill

People really downvoted me for that


ISIPropaganda

There’s such a degree of separation that it really doesn’t matter at all. Even first cousins mating isn’t genetically perilous of the practice isn’t continued in the family. Fifth cousins are so far removed that they might as well be strangers. I don’t even know *any* of my third cousins and the only reason I know a handful of 2nd cousins is because I’m really good friends with a few of them. IMO anything past third cousin is a stranger. You probably have more genetically in common with your neighbor than a relative that distant.


un-taken_username

What even is a third or fifth cousin lol


Kered13

Each ordinal is another generation back. First cousin = common ancestor two generations back. Second cousin = three generations. Etc. Each "removed" is an offset by one generation (ie, the two people are not from the same generation). So n-th cousins m-removed means that they shared a common ancestor n generations back for one of the cousins, and n+m generations back for the other.


Chainweasel

They were probably as related as the average person is to a stranger born in the same small town as them. Shared ancestors somewhere but not really anywhere close enough to matter.


DerMeme

5 th Cousins once removed. She also was the niece of Teddy.


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

Theodore even walked her up the aisle iirc.


Thundorius

I’m a straight man, but I’d marry my cousin if Theodore Roosevelt would walk me up the aisle.


HappyTheDisaster

I’m a straight man, but I’d marry Theodore Roosevelt


DerMeme

BULLY! He was the manliest man to ever man


reda84100

Not to mention while also being *the* [*fourth best president in history*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States#2021_C-SPAN_Presidential_Historians_Survey)


funnyname12369

Thats a weird wikipedia article, it lists Lincoln as a white supremacist


reda84100

Where does it say that? I really only looked at the lists and not the content of the text


funnyname12369

In the "scholarly surveys of diversity and racism" section the first table lists linclon as a white supremacist. Interestingly he's also listed as anti racist in the same graph.


reda84100

> Lincoln is rated as both white supremacist, for his personal views, and antiracist, for his policies. It could be possible, being a white supremacist doesn't necessarily mean you want slavery


Entercheesynamehere

*literally fights a war partially to free the enslaved black people from white supremacist* Internet a few hundred years later: yeah he was a white supremacist.


Aryc0110

There's actually a footnote for that listing: "Lincoln is rated as both white supremacist, for his personal views, and antiracist, for his policies." A lot of presidents have had conflicting personal views and policy decisions. Not really sure how true the Lincoln bit is, but it's what the article says.


funnyname12369

Yeah it's still wierd to think of him as a white supremacist given he was responsible for the most significant civil rights legislation in the US's history but I don't know how the researchers valued the presidents.


seahawksgirl89

Many of the advocates for abolishing slavery were still white supremacist in that they did not believe the races were fully equal and did not believe they should have equal rights. They just didn’t believe slavery was okay. Lincoln prior to the emancipation proclamation had actually suggested that Black Americans should either go back to Africa or go to Mexico because he didn’t fully believe black and white Americans would ever be able to coexist equally and peacefully. Notably, Frederick Douglass initially hated Lincoln. Over time however, Lincoln’s positions shifted, especially at the advice of Douglass, who grew to consider Lincoln a friend and say he “was emphatically the black man's President: the first to show any respect to their rights as men.” This is likely though where the white supremacy claims come from through. In the context of the time, plenty of people believed slavery shouldn’t exist while still believing the races weren’t fully equal/white people were above black people.


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G1Yang2001

Same.


-SSN-

I wish his progressive party replaced one of the democrats or republicans in the two party system, or became a viable 3rd party.


HappyTheDisaster

Probably Republicans, cause they were a split off from them, but let me just say fuck both Democrats and Republicans


SCP-Agent-Arad

Yeah. If people knew their genealogical history, they’d realize they were married to 5th, 4th, and 3rd cousins all the time.


MaviKartal2110

Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt


LemonX19

My grandma didn't change her name when she married my grandpa. It's because their last name is so fucking common in China. And people don't change their last names after marriage in China anyways.


SCP-Agent-Arad

I’m sure Smiths and such get married here as well.


ShadowVader

I heard there's about 1000 last names there For comparison, my tiny country of 11,000,000 has 200,000+


F-I-R-E-B-A-L-L

1000 sounds about right, though with most of them being so rarely used or even obsolete, it may as well just be 100-200


NevahHK

And then Korea, with Park and Kim taking up 50% or something ridiculous like that. Or Vietnam with Nguyen.


RandomYTr2016

Alternatively we just slap the husband's surname in front of the wife's surname


Socialist_Narwhal

i didn't get the joke, then I read the title lol


finalicht

Franklin and Elanor(and Theodore) Roosevelt are less related to each other than James Madison is to Barack Obama


coconut_12

Well she was teddys niece


reda84100

He was talking about Franklin and Teddy, not Eleanor and Teddy


zrowe_02

5th cousin isn’t incest


Randowholikesstuff34

They’re 5th cousins once removed, there’s enough genetic difference for it to not be incest and to have normal looking children.


Jurefranceticnijelit

I mean you would most likley have normal children while marrying a first cousin just the defects are slightly more common it becomes problematic when inbreeding is done through multiple generations look at the hapsbourgs


cleverseneca

You first, its spelled Habsburg or sometimes Hapsburg.


Jurefranceticnijelit

Yeah i know but i often fuck it up when im writing things fast on my phone


SCP-Agent-Arad

Yeah, the average person probably has tens of thousands of 5th cousins.


YuppieSlayerX

Peasants not understanding that there's nothing wrong with fucking your cousin.


ChuchiTheBest

actually peasants are the ones that normally marry their cousins.


AtomicJugular

Habsburgs have entered the chat


Communism_101

Hey, hi, hello. It's me. *Every dynasty ever*. (Not you, commonwealth... you're great)


ChuchiTheBest

imagine you are living in a remote village with around 80\~ people, now imagine the person you will one day marry is in that village. can you see where I am going with this?


N7-Talon

And to top it off Eleanor was apparently bi/a lesbian. Definitely one of the weirder presidential couples.


TripRollPop

"a real rug muncher , a big lesbian mule "


Bright69420

ah yes he embraced the alabama inside him


MikePretzels

That’s how he won the Southern vote


et37n

Dixiecrats be like: **ONE OF US**


AlbionPrince

I mean they did left after he died so maybe there’s something in this


Bright69420

lol


Darth_Noox

Fun fact: in a lot of countries even first cousin marriage is legal


Gay_Biking_Viking

Somewhat illegal in I believe 4 (5 including a lot of restrictions) European countries, and legal fully in 14 (16 counting the few exceptions in 2 other states) in the US.


elemock

nice


Thrawn1409

You know, I usually downvote this template out of principle, but I actually upvoted this one. Good job


jack_urian

i think they were 4th cousins so it was too distant to be proper incest


reda84100

5th cousins once removed


wvmgmidget

FDR was definitely a Crusader Kings player.


omgapc

Eleanor visited where I live in the 50s it's remarkable because only 100~ lived here then and it's in Israel


ramin1991

damn... we used to marry our cousins in Iran and thought it was some kind of sacred wedding


ColdIron27

My mom didn't either, but it's not a custom in china.


TheBloxxerClown

SWEEET HOOMEE ALLABAMAAAA


danshakuimo

Lol everyone with super common last names wondering if there is a chance their crush is a relative due to having the same last name


Yah-ThnPat-Thn

Don't feel too bad, Hitler was the direct product of incest and look how he turned out.


Reagalan

What's with all the anti-FDR propaganda lately? Is there another astroturfing campaign afoot or is it a frequency illusion?


Nuclear_Reserve259

FDR won Alabama right?


AwzTurtle

No Alabama won him


IndusRiverValleyCiv

Oh way down south in the land of Democrats before the 1960s...


reda84100

Is this a Dixieland or Union Dixie reference how do I continue the lyrics


IndusRiverValleyCiv

Follow your American heart


blaknpurp

Well I mean you gotta keep (draws from a deck of fdr atrocities) interment camps in the family


deicous

What deck? Internment camps were pretty much the only “atrocity” to happen under him


blaknpurp

Just a few more snubbing Jesse Owens for the southern votes, appointing a KKK member to SCOTUS, threatening scotus to ram new deal registration through.


reda84100

Those are just bad things, calling them atrocities is like saying someone is trying to ruin your life and drive you to suicide after they ate the last pizza


deicous

Those aren’t really atrocities


ContentWaltz8

OP if your married, you're married to your cousin as well. Even more so if you're both from the same geographic area.


luxembourg-lover

took me a second


zytherian

This is one of the few times the title made a history meme better.


olcrazypete

Roll Tide - yankee edition.


boot2skull

Game of Thrones theme music intensifies


Junos_Cunt

I enjoy many History Memes but few make me literally laugh out loud. Bravo.


PixelRaster64

If they can still be called cousins they’re not nearly distant enough buddy


ISIPropaganda

When it’s that distant, you’re basically strangers. If you trace it genealogy, odds are that you’ve married/had a relationship with a fairly distant relative, especially if you’re from a small town with little diversity. There’s not one person on earth who’s ancestry doesn’t contain at least some marriages between cousins or distant cousins. And fifth cousins once removed basically means that they’re unrelated except that they belong to an American dynasty. I don’t even **know** any of my third cousins, forget about fourth and fifth.


cactuscoleslaw

Yo wait wasnt she actually lesbian


theRealjudgeHolden

Cousins in the sixth degree. You and I are likely as closely related


YahBoiSomeGuy

If I am to go off what was said in the comments, they were 5th cousins. If I'm not mistaken, this means that their first common ancestor was their great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. I'm fairly certain that most people wouldn't find anything wrong with that.


Ilikeboats420

How related were they? Is it still insest from a genetic standpoint or were they distant enough to give them a fairly deep gene pool


Avgvsto

Is that Florentino Pérez?


bobbyfiend

Fun story: I dated a woman who, after we broke up, went back to her earlier boyfriend and married him. They have the same last name (it's a common one in their region of the US; no relation at all). I still occasionally make petty jokes, like "She didn't change her name after marriage, because, you know, same last name... ew".


KingFahad360

It’s not incest as long if they are cousins.


slkn74261700027

To be fairrrrr


MormorsLillaKraka

I didn’t get the meme at first, my mind autocorrected it to my cousin Eleanor..