That's rough buddy.

That's rough buddy.


Aw come on. You can’t stop me from reading sci fi stories.


You literally hired the nerdiest of nerds in the country... and you're going to deprive them of science fiction?


That's just torture.


I'm inclined to agree with you, General Kenobi. The "Revenge of the Sith" novelization by Matthew Stover was actually an amazing read and almost as good as the movie. Which is saying something because RotS is the best of the Star Wars films. I wasn't sure if Star Wars as a book could work, but this one really proved it could. Seeing the inside thoughts of iconic Star Wars characters wasn't something I knew I needed until I read it. I always tear up a bit whenever I see the passage about you that starts as "[This is Obi-Wan Kenobi](https://np.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/kogbqm/this_is_obiwan_kenobi_full_passage_in_the_comments/)". You're the purest Jedi who ever lived and will always be [my favorite character in the SW universe](https://np.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/moxhkh/its_going_to_be_a_rough_3_years/gu6xmt6/?context=3). And yea I said it, Revenge of the Sith > Empire Strikes Back. Both are fantastic though and the unoriginal, lifeless sequels can't hold either's jock strap.


Hello there fellow prequel memer


That... is why we're here


This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!


200 thousand units are ready with a million more well on their way.


Jessie, wtf are you talking about


Sir, this is a Subway.


no, this is Patrick.


Sir, this is a Wendy's.


Then why am I holding toilet paper?


Then why am I drinking a nice refreshing glass of Elmer's Glue?


I personally liked that book more than the movie. Characters were much better developed and it didn't have the wooden acting present in the film.


The acting was fine most of the time, George's skript was just bad as usual. The novel also expands so much on the relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan, the characters motivations and actions are laid bare and the pacing is on point. And the audiobook is even better! They use the soundtrack from the movie for key scenes to get the atmosphere just right. Audiobook > Novel >>> Movie


Ah i see you are a man of culture as well




Yeah that was really distracting. Must've been some autocorrect that got saved at some point because that user spells it that way _everywhere_


It was driving me a-looney


Crack you have smoked. Taste, you have not.


Intervention this is.


Ngl tho the rots novelization is one of the best books I have ever read. A true masterpiece of fiction


The only aspect of the movie I prefer to the novel was the scene where Mace denies Anakin the rank of master. In the novel his reaction seems a bit too much to me personally


Its non canon tho


So is tons of good stuff now, doesn't make it unenjoyable!


Force unleashed is fucking amazing


Personally KotOR/KotOR2 came to mind first, but yeah TFU and TFU2 were great!


I agree with you. KotOR 1 and 2 are also amazing!


Could the government not just forward the mail from some inconspicuous address?


That's what they've been doing since 1950


Not really. All that shit got moved to the Nevada test site everyone knows where it is, most the employees live in Las Vegas. There's really no need now.


That's a distraction to pull attention away from the real secret alien base, Area 52


bro we’re on area 69 now catch up


I bet that's where they keep all the sexy aliens, isn't it?


That’s where they keep the irl catgrills


I'll get the white board, you get the coffee, we got plans to make


What about all the irl fembuoys?


Those ain't aliens. Those just kinda exist.


Out tempting sea men


love to clap dem extraterrestrial cheeks.


We all know [where area 69 is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice,_California) too


[**Nice**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice) Nice ( NEESS, French: [nis]; Nissard Occitan: Niça, classical norm, or Nissa, nonstandard, pronounced [ˈnisa]; Italian: Nizza [ˈnittsa]; Ancient Greek: Νίκαια; Latin: Nicaea) is the seventh most populous urban area in France and the capital of the Alpes-Maritimes department. The metropolitan area of Nice extends beyond the administrative city limits, with a population of nearly 1 million on an area of 744 km2 (287 sq mi). Located in the French Riviera, on the south east coast of France on the Mediterranean Sea, at the foot of the Alps, Nice is the second-largest French city on the Mediterranean coast and the second-largest city in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur region after Marseille. [About Me](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la6wi8/) - [**Opt-in**](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/) ^(You received this reply because a moderator opted this subreddit in. You can still )[^(opt out)](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/)


Area 69, aka. Base Nice




There is no such thing as airea 51 or 52.


Legitimately, driving through Nevada and into California, you'll occasionally spot some funky stuff if you keep an open eye. There's a reason UFO sightings are so common out there, and it has nothing to do with aliens; it's just that it's the ideal place to test to planes and stuff. In all likelihood, that's what area 51 is probably mostly for, or at least it was for a while. New aircraft have to be tested somewhere!


I just saw [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBNyPsysiI) about some of those secret programs. So the US had secretly gathered some MiGs and wanted to give some of their pilots an opportunity to train against them. They thus assembled some top pilots, shipped them off to an airbase for a moderately secret program, and only then told them that they'd actually be flying the MiGs in a [top secret program at Tonopah, Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4477th_Test_and_Evaluation_Squadron), 80 miles from where they were officially stationed. However even that top secret program also served as cover for an even more secret one, the development of the F-117 stealth plane, which took over a decade and yet hit the world by complete surprise in 1988.


[**4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4477th_Test_and_Evaluation_Squadron) The 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron (4477 TES) was a squadron in the United States Air Force under the claimancy of the Tactical Air Command (TAC). It is currently inactive. The product of Project Constant Peg, the unit was created to expose the tactical air forces to the flight characteristics of fighter aircraft used by Soviet Union during the Cold War. [About Me](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la6wi8/) - [**Opt-in**](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/) ^(You received this reply because a moderator opted this subreddit in. You can still )[^(opt out)](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/)


80 miles is 128.75 km


128.75 km is 15,146,767.06 barleycorn


Groom lake was chosen for nuclear, aircraft, and ballistic weapons testing long before the development of the F-117 was even a dream.


Yes and no. I remember an article a while back about how all of the mail (and other paperwork, including birth certificates) was forwarded to a nearby town in the area. Technically it was hidden, but if someone was really looking and realized a bunch of military personnel/nuclear physicists were suddenly moving to the same town, then it was obvious.


It was all being forwarded from a location in Santa Fe, you can go to the actual address that they used, there's a plaque on the wall if I remember right


That's similar to what the USSR did with their closed cities. They were usually named after a nearby large city and with a number at the end. Like this place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarov


[**Sarov**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarov) Sarov (Russian: Саро́в) is a closed town in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, Russia. It was known as Gorkiy-130 (Горький-130) and Arzamas-16 (Арзама́с-16), after a (somewhat) nearby town of Arzamas, from 1946 to 1991. Until 1995, it was known as Kremlyov/Kremlev/Kremljov (Кремлёв). [About Me](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la6wi8/) - [**Opt-in**](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/) ^(You received this reply because a moderator opted this subreddit in. You can still )[^(opt out)](https://np.reddit.com/comments/la707t/)


They do that now, yeah.


Yeah, they could just get it sent to Denver or something and then have someone forward it to them


forested mountain surrounded by desert\*


lowkey Sante Fe and Los Alamos is a beautiful area


Lowkey? Towns were started here just cuz artists wanted to paint the landscape




Sci-fi magazines realized nerds were migrating en masse to a spot in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico when they all changed their shipping addresses. They didn't know about the bombs, but they knew a lot of brainpower was being sent to the desert. On a similar note, a Kodak engineer was able to guess the date and location of the Trinity test based on "faulty" film he received from around the US. They thought the packaging had been contaminated with radium, but they couldn't find any sign of it. He then did some digging, figured out the approximate half-life and realized someone did something big with uranium isotopes in New Mexico.


Apparently the Soviets figured out that the UK and USA were seriously pursuing an atom bomb because suddenly there were no papers being published on atomic physics


I believe Hitchcock or however you spell his name figured it out too. He was researching atomic bombs for a movie he was thinking about making, so he went to a group of scientists and asked them about it. They all looked really nervous and no one answered for some time, before they started telling him that one can’t make an atomic bomb. He was shadowed by the FBI for a couple months afterwards lol.


Movie director: I have an idea for a kind of out there, over the top scifi super weapon. Wacky, right? The government creating an over the top scifi super weapon: how long have you been spying on us‽


Well, SF depictions of atom bombs went [way back](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33365776.amp). And that was hardly the last time a creator would be asked how they knew about military "secrets". Kubrick extrapolated a B-52 cockpit so well (from the published dimensions of the B-52 and unclassified images of B-29 cockpits) for *Dr Strangelove* that the FBI came to ask him how he got his references. There is a persistent rumor that Tom Clancy was similarly investigated following the publication of *The Hunt for Red October*, but [a FOIA request made after his death](https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/investigations/bs-xpm-2014-09-27-bs-md-sun-investigates-tom-clancy-fbi-20140927-story,amp.html) does not show any record of such an investigation.


The movie director?






How old is the big bongo theory?


Yep, talked about it on Dick Cavett


Lol for a second I thought Brooklyn 99


I believe the FBI were also investigating a couple scifi writers at the time as well, since they had been publishing stories with the atomic bomb as the main premise while the Manhattan Project was underway in secret.


There's also the fact that Soviet spies had seriously infiltrated the Western Allies, especially the UK. It was one of the main reasons why the US cut off the UK from their post-war nuclear development.


It would have been surprising if they weren’t working on an atomic bomb at that time.


Yeah, but there’s working on an atom bomb and there’s working on an atom bomb, sasa?


If I recall, the film was shipped in corn husks, as packing peanuts. And the husks were what affected the film. Tracking down where the husks came from was half the puzzle. Edit: i must be wrong. There SOMETHING out there though where this was used to track down radioactivity. Edit 2: No, this is just what some senator said about it, and was wrong. Last paragraph. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/


It was due to cardboard made at an Indiana sawmill, and later one in Iowa. The researcher worked out it was a non-typical radioactive element (I.e. not radium) and due to the half-life the contamination must have come from the river water used at both mills. If it sounds bad that nuclear fallout spread into the water system across the US, yeah, turns out it probably actually was! It just wasn’t totally tracked or made public for 50 years.


Yup, this is it. The corn husk thing was from a misinformed senator. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/


Whyd the husks affect the film


They probably took in isotopes.


So...the film was already irradiated thrn?


The corn husks were irradiated, that is what damaged the film. Based on their comments.


Why would they have irradiated Corn Husks tho


A nuclear bomb irradiates everything with fallout nearby.


No it had to do with the production of part of the film. Eventually the us gov even communicated with Kodak when and when not to produce their film.


Also fun fact: You can check whether a wine is really older than the 1940s by testing for caesium-137, which was dispersed globally by nuclear tests. If there is no Cs137 in the wine, it really is older than the first nuclear tests. Source: Heard about it first in White Collar, checked [here](https://www.radioactivity.eu.com/site/pages/Wine_Authentification.htm)


A similar fun fact is that steel due to increased cobalt-60 levels in the atmosphere after atomic tests, steel produced the usual way had raised level of radioactive contamination which was a problem for geiger counters and such. To fix it they just went to shipwrecks at the bottom of the ocean, scraped the barnacles off the steel and used it! (Water is a surprisingly good radiation shield so these were uncontaminated) [Source](https://hackaday.com/2017/03/27/low-background-steel-so-hot-right-now/)


Stories like this make you wonder about conspiracy thoeries. How many of those coincidences are actually connected?


All of them, according to the Question from DC comics. Guy might be a genius detective but he's also a batshit crazy conspiracy nut.


A lot of conspiracy stuff remains conspiracy even after the reasoning behind it was declassified. Take Roswell: [the US revealed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul) that the reason they were so keen to hush up the strange craft which landed on a farm in New Mexico was because they were trying to spy on Soviet nuclear testing. Yet plenty of people will still believe that it was all about the aliens. Sadly, conspiracy theories are rarely about investigating the darkest secrets that people and governments are hiding, and much more about thinking very strange things about what Jewish people are doing with space lasers.


>Sadly, conspiracy theories are rarely about investigating the darkest secrets that people and governments are hiding, and much more about thinking very strange things about what Jewish people are doing with space lasers. Garsh, that sure is convenient for the people with dark secrets...what a wild coincidence...


Well, quite. Far too often, conspiracy theories are perpetuated in part because they're extremely advantageous to the rich and powerful. There's a reason Musk endorsed Covid denial on several occasions.


I mean, I believe Roswell was aliens, but even more than that I believe the government was sure as hell lying about what was there at Roswell. With most alien conspiracy theories I think the more important take away isn’t that the event in question was involved with aliens, but rather that the government is poorly covering up something greater.


Reality is often disappointing my dude


>I mean, I believe Roswell was aliens Nope, it was military tech for listening in to nuclear detonations. Have a glance at the Wikipedia article, it's fairly informative.


Yep, this made me realize, 9/11 was an inside job. And covid 19 was manufactured by Soros personally to get rid of Orbán.




Proper Internet Comment Etiquette right here


Joke's on him. Orban is one of the lizard people AND a space jew. Both famously immune to human disease.


I find that being a little bit of a conspiracist can be fun because at the end of the day we should acknowledge that they're just theories and possibly not even the real truth. If we take the theories as truth then we get people who are so badly uneducated that you'd get better luck teaching a fish to read than actually getting common sense out of those people.


Yeah conspiracy theories are really fun to discuss but 99.9% of them are not true.


99.9% is a bit high. I would say genuinely 97% are not true because some of them come out as the truth. Particularly the stuff the CIA admit to or have been caught doing.


How convenient for the one percent that are true....almost like the wacky conspiracy theories are invented and/or perpetuated by those who would like to control narratives around conspiracy theories and discredit anyone who asks questions about actual conspiracies...you know, now that I think about it the terms "conspiracy theory/theorist" do a wonderful job of lumping together any mentally ill people who believe in lizard people with the same people who know about things like MK Ultra or the Tuskegee Experiment...what strange coincidence....


That’s some 4-D chess right there.


No it isnt. Its checkers. Regular checkers.


You must play some pretty advanced checkers then.


There's a saying that goes "Even a broken clock is right twice a day." What it means in this context is that "If enough people make up enough conspiracy theories, they'll get a couple right."


Wow, you are dumb.


Please elaborate, instead of believing every single opinion that isn't yours is automatically incorrect.


Ehh 99.9 is way to high. It's probably like 70 to 80 percent. Things like M K ultra and the Cia smuggling drugs into America make that number much lower


I don't *want* to be a conspiracy theorist but holy crap once you start looking into the history of government coverups it's kind of hard not to be.


people who are so badly uneducated that you'd get better luck teaching a fish to read than actually getting common sense out of those people = r/conspiracy these days


All those poor black mesa scientist that had to die during the cascade 😔😔


[Veritasium](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSqk-XV2QM) made a video about the Kodak discovery :)


What? Sorry, I’m really dense




Buncha nerds got sent to a secret base in the desert to work on a big boomy thing. Being nerds, they subscribed to a sci fi magazine called *Astounding Science Fiction*. The editor of said nerd journal, John Campbell (henceforth called "Narc") figured out said base's location because a bunch of nerds let the magazine know about the address change. Because apparently the US military didn't know how to forward mail. Narc thought, "Huh, weird. Buncha nerds just moved to the middle of nowhere. I wonder if that is where the *governmentus geekus* are working on that big ol' bomb that could kill a city are hanging out." US government be like: #ಠ_ಠ "Shucks", quoth the nerds.


Very good explanation 10/10


5/7 - perfect score


Reminds me of how the USSR realized the US was working on a nuclear bomb. After years of publishing nuclear research in international papers, suddenly the US scientists stopped publishing papers in atomic stuff. But they kept publishing other scientific stuff. So it was this sudden lack of nuclear research that told the USSR that the US was looking to nuclear weapons as a viable thing. Funny how the little things let big secrets slip.


How did John Campbell make his guess known?


Not a clue, I don't really know the specifics. I'd imagine he didn't really know about the bombs, just that a bunch of nerds were gathering in the middle of nowhere. No idea if he even did make his guess known, or if the government just caught wind of this odd thing he found out about and had a bit of an "OH SHIT" moment.


**"I am become bereft, a non-enjoyer of Clarksworld."** (I know he didn't edit Clarksworld but it was the best analog-y that fit the pun)


Hey! John Campbell was my uncle. He was a cool dude. Bet you didn’t know he was the first editor to publish Isaac Asimov’s I Robot stories. Super cool dude.


Actually I did know that. That he was your uncle, I mean. See you soon :))


Actually I did know that (the Asimov thing, not that he was your uncle). Probably because I'm a huge scifi nerd. John Campbell did more to shape the direction of science fiction than anyone. He's rightly famous for it in the subculture but he doesn't get a lot of attention outside of it.


What about Forest Ackerman?


So is this user your nephew twice removed or something? https://reddit.com/r/sciencefiction/comments/4ypwd6/keep_forgetting_to_post_this_last_months_analog/d6q48ut


How did you even find this comment?


I am the OP of the post that comment is from and this comment reminded me of it.


Reddit is wild




Now whos lying......


It doesn't imply anybody is lying, just that descendants of a massive geek are geeks themselves lol


Aw thats cute


Damn that’s wild! I love reddit


Was he the same one who forced Asimov to write the sequels?


> Bet you didn’t know he was the first editor to publish Isaac Asimov’s I Robot stories. Super cool dude. As a slut for Asimov, you bet your ass I knew. Without that guy we wouldn't have Asimov


Nooooo 😔😔


I mean, wouldn't the same bunch of nerds in New Mexico all canceling their subscriptions at once just further confirm his suspicions?


They wouldn't all update their mailing address to Top Secret, New Mexico *before* canceling.


Kodak discovered the test location before being informed!


lmao nerds


*he said smugly on a sub for history nerds*




it's like gamer making racial slurs to each other


My girlfriend turned into the moon.


That's rough buddy!




[this video might interest you](https://youtu.be/bAncOu6KG8s)


That is so sad, but also fucking hilarious


I read a while back that a similar thing happened quite recently. Troops were apparently giving away the locations of bases by putting their runs up on strava.


"Oh man there sure are a lot of physicists, engineers and explosives experts living in a remote new Mexican desert!"


The caption is a avatar refrence


Or just put address as some other place and have the army drive it out there


You can't stop me from reading Sci-Fi


Just let them send the stuff to a random address and let mr. fbi agent bring it to them?


Or have Mr FBI agent pick it up from their homes? Maybe even the rest of their mail, too?


No, they should have got a mailbox together so the Mr. FBI agent doesn't need to drive through the whole country once a month.


Well, maintaining the apparent separation increases security, as opposed to suddenly all the nuclear physicists in the country moved in together. But wives or secretaries could probably have forwarded mail discreetly enough.




Can't stop the signal.




What??? Context pls


The objective of the Manhattan project was to make the first atomic bomb [and it was super secret](https://youtu.be/bAncOu6KG8s)


Anybody else Google the man and wish they hadn't?


Das raf badi.


Smh hate it when it happens


F in the chat for the delivery man


My girlfriend turned into the moon