By - BKtoDuval
With whispers increasing in volume that the Nets might try to bring Durant back for training camp and see how it goes, Durant turned to the next page in the Getmeouttahere Playbook: brinkmanship. Throwing both his coach and GM under the bus — in many cases for moves that came with a wink and nod from Durant’s camp — certainly makes it less likely the Nets will find it tenable to reunite everyone in the fall.
Of course, this gambit offers no guarantees. The trade offers in front of the Nets today aren’t any different from the ones they rejected yesterday, and it’s not clear how or if Durant’s latest demand will compel action.
This could make things interesting as we get into fall. Seemingly the sharpest arrow left in Durant’s quiver is pure hardball: a holdout, one that would cost him a chunk of his $44 million 2022-23 salary for every day he sat out. It would, ironically, be a near carbon-copy of the situation a year ago in Philadelphia with Durant’s occasional teammate Ben Simmons.
KD just could admit the obvious.
"Hey everyone. I'd like to apologize for my behavior over the last few month my meds were off. Ok let's Go Brooklyn!"
>KD just could admit the obvious.
>"Hey everyone. I'd like to apologize for my behavior over the last few month my meds were off. Ok let's Go Brooklyn!"
"I got hacked"
Biohacked! I'm sure Kyrie can come up with a backstory to cover for his bro about the Illuminati or some shit
Exactly. Bring in the Hollywood folk and make a movie of it.
And with that, we loop around to an even bigger-picture issue, one that may help soothe some minds in front offices as the league and the NBA Players’ Association negotiate their next collective bargaining agreement. Wriggling out of a long-term contract is still really, really hard, even if you’re one of the five best players in the league. All the frayed nerves from the recent Paul George and Simmons situations may calm a bit as teams see this play out.
Ultimately, there are a lot of things Kevin Durant can try doing to get himself out of Brooklyn, but none of the cards he can play seem guaranteed to secure a quick exit. There just isn’t enough leverage with four years still left on his deal.
He can demand a trade and trash management, and maybe he can hold out or miss games with dubious injuries or play matador defense.
The one thing he can’t do, however, is get on the phone and trade himself.
Every card he can play will be looked at negatively by media pundits and more.importantly other teams brass.
KD is really underestimating the resources and reach of BILLIONAIRES. He thinks his few lil hundred mil buy him power. Lol.
If LeBron or Steph Curry pull this it goes different. But KD is now just KD and in a league of his own. The delusional track stars. They can always find a reason to run.
Nets have until the trade deadline imo
You can keep Durant until next off-season, but he'll be a year older, have one less year on his contract, and, if he doesn't play for the Nets, he'll have had a year away from the NBA
That would tank his value dramatically
Yeah but if the offers suck anyway then what difference does it make.
The offers currently out there don't suck, they just aren't what the Nets want. However, they can get worse over time to the point where they actually suck.
I do think that there is a sweet spot for the Nets. At some point, I do expect the trade market for Durant to go up, but i have a hard time believe they'll get better when he has 1 less year on his deal, is 1 year older, and, if he doesn't play ball for the Nets, will have been away from the game for a year.
So what are the offers ? I agree if brown is on the table you pull the trigger eventually before the deadline. If suns aren’t even willing to offer 5-6 unprotected firsts then it sucks. Toronto offer kinda sucks, that will still be there if Scottie isn’t involved. Miamis offer sucks and will be there.
I wouldn't be concerned about those offers being there between now and the deadline, in fact, i might expect them to get better with more suitors, but i would be concerned that they are there next off-season. Which is the primary issue I'm talking about.
Yeah you’re right they’re probably not gonna get better after the deadline. The nets do have at least until then though especially since tanking this year doesn’t hurt us.
Yes they do
If Durant sits out a whole season, I think that will cost $21 million. That is a of money to leave on the table
Kyrie convinced him that money jo longer matters.
I hope Ben Simmons and TJ warren lead this team on a long successful playoff run while KD sits home again.
Team plays well. Kyrie is Kyrie. Playing well but being Kyrie.
That allows for Us to trade for AD for Kyrie straight up. After AD disappoints again. Then shows up to Brooklyn and after a cypher with a few of Brooklyn's finest Yardies AD decides to Embrace Brooklyn and get back to busting tail.
Ad Simmons and Claxton form an incredible defensive trio. With an offense ran by a rejuvenated Ben Simmons.
Man. I can already see the smiles on Sean Marks Joe Tsai and Steve Nash's faces.
KD is a horrible leader. He should have spent his summer around great leaders. Let me see vids of KD staying at Tom Brady crib. Having lunch with Colin Powell. . KD needs a Leadership camp.
You do know Colin Powell died last year right?
Yes exactly. It was intended that way.
That would be more newsworthy than partying up with James Harden the dude who just deserted your team and Travis Scott. I guess celebrating the fact.that no one was killed or.hurt at his show. It was the closest Harden would get to a nba champ lockeroom celebration.
Or the custard inside a Portuguese tart
Nets have until 2026 imo
How exactly does one get out of a contract with four years left on it?
That’s the dilemma facing Kevin Durant as his demands for a trade have so far not come to fruition, while training camp hurtles toward us on the calendar. Durant is shuffling through the different cards in his hand to try to force his way out, but as we’ll see, the problem is that none of them are strong enough on their own to compel the Nets to act.
Meanwhile, the four years left on the deal give the Nets all the time in the world to find a resolution. Durant reportedly submitting a list of preferred destinations with only two teams on it (Miami and Phoenix) — clubs that now face near-impossible cap constraints on any plausible trade — further narrowed the scope of possibilities. But even if Durant was open-minded to someplace like, say, Boston or Toronto, the Nets hold the leverage here. Durant can demand a trade ’til he’s blue in the face, but only the Nets can trade him. He’s not a free agent until 2026, having signed an extension last fall under his own free will.
The presumptive reason for the Nets not to tank is that their next five drafts are owed to the Houston Rockets as a result of the 2021 trade for Harden. But Brooklyn can still get a high lottery pick in 2023. Yes, the Nets have an unprotected pick swap with Houston in the upcoming draft, but that still likely results in a great pick if the Nets are bad. The Rockets are building up their young talent, but they’re not exactly poised to run roughshod over the West just yet; Houston went 20-62 last season and traded its leading scorer for the 26th pick in the draft.
Thus, a one-season tank might actually be the best way for the Nets to maximize their return on a Durant trade demand. If Durant holds out and the Nets trade Irving to the Lakers for a Russell Westbrook-led package, this Nets team has all the necessary ingredients to bottom out for a year. Even if Simmons plays and performs at his Philadelphia level, the rest of the roster isn’t good enough to win without Durant and Irving. Additionally, if the Nets aren’t paying Durant due to a holdout, the related issue of being deep in the luxury tax for a bad team largely goes away. (The Nets would be one small trade away from getting out of the tax with their present roster.)
Meanwhile, the Nets are mostly inoculated from the downside of the pick swap by the likelihood of Houston also being bad. If both teams stink, the Nets’ worst-case scenario is still a high lottery pick.
Remember when we thought the same thing with Boston about there's no way they will turn it around so fast and there's no way the nets will be that bad
Yeah no. I don't think so.
This roster is pretty under rated.
The team would be horrible trying to run iso ball without them. But a team that shares the ball and defends? A team with possibly multiple Dpoy defenders and a STABLE of three point shooters? All of whom are vets and know how to play on this league.
Whatever players come back in any deal will help us.
Yeah, I don't think I'm a fan of trying to tank the season. I agree, I think the roster is better than expected
It is. On paper it fits together. Still too small for me. Big bruisers are needed.
Regardless with how the east is we could get a nice lotto pick if we sit Simmons at the right time.
We can't we don't own our picks at all.
We have ours or Houston’s pick this year
Traded our pick for Royce oneily
We traded the worst of our pick or the sixers oick
I agree with Jeff Van Gundy. This can all be smoothed over by winning. Nash is not some hard headed personality. He'll get over it. Marks and Kd never have to even see each other. Lowry had an icy relationship with Ujiri after the Derozan trade. It's fine.
I have a hard time believing Kd will tank on the court with Kyrie out there, and youngsters like Cam, Kess, and DDJ on the team. How can he let down guys like Royce and Patty as well? The organization needs to keep sending the message that they're not giving into demands, but Kd is absolutely welcomed on the team still.
I have a hard time believing anything Kevin or Kyrie say
Every once and a while I wonder if this is some crazy ploy to light a fire under the Nets and motivate them to be better. But idk it just doesn't feel the same as those other situations you mentioned. I agree that winning cures all and we have a good team if Simmons is close to his old self. But it really feels like KD doesn't even want to step on the floor for the team to prove themselves.
Yeah, it's not the first time a star and coach didn't get along. Winning does cure all. Larry Brown and Iverson notoriously clashed, then embraced once they won the ECF.
I also don't think he'd ever tank or not play his fullest. This looks like this could take an ugly turn though, so personally I have my doubts about seeing him ever suit up again for us.
I like that it seems Tsai and Marks seem to be attempting to reconcile and establish the relationship with Kyrie again. I think he's the key. For all the shit he brings, he's a charismatic personality who genuinely seems to be able to mediate this. He's handled all this surprisingly pretty professional too.
Just get Kd in the building somehow and have Kyrie smiling and hugging everybody and I think it's salvageable
What if KD doesnt want a working relationship with Kyrie anymore? They’re still friends but maybe he realize his game doesn’t mesh well with Kyrie’s, that’s why he made up with Harden and they’re jetting setting all across Europe together.
Kyrie able to meditate this??? Loje can't even meditate himself.
Kyrie will most assuredly say the wrong things.
It's funny how Kyrie was persona non-grata here a couple months ago, and I'll admit to being part of that charge, to now those emotions have kind of simmered and we are ready for him to get back to work, while KD has now become the focus of our scorn.
Except Iverson didn't publicly ask for Brown to be fired.
KD went to far. Once again NOT reading the room very well at all. Must like he couldn't read the Celtics defense. Which was just to trap him at the elbow. Lol.
Yeah, agreed. yeah, we've all heard of stars wanting coaches fired, nothing new. But to make it public and say I want the GM's head too? that's definitely crossing a line. I honestly don't see how it's possible for him to ever suit up for us again. Too much has happened, but I also thought Kyrie was done and by all accounts he's ready to come back
More than that. What GM would trade.for a guy who tried to get his gm and coach fired? Why would that GM give up assets to bring in a dude who may openly call for his job while playing less than 50% of his games?
Actually sounds like KD doesn't want to get.trqded.or.wants Adam silver to step in.
This isn't just a coach/player relationship
Nash has connections to KD from his GSW days so it's way more of a betrayal to Nash if anything, I doubt it can be solved with a hug
I understand, but I think it can be solved by meeting face to face and having an honest talk. Raja Bell talks all the time about what type of leader Nash was with the Suns, and that he's a true culture setter. I think he will understand if Kd is man enough to apologize and talk it out.
I legitimately think they should all get in a room and Kyrie should bring his sage. I'm serious. Not even joking. Phil Jackson used to do stuff like that all the time. It has deep rooted symbolism.
Nash knows it’s business. I don’t think he’ll be too upset
I go back to Kobe and the Lakers there seemed like no way to fix it then they go on a run to start the season then trade for gasol and boom they make the finals all is forgiven
I love when everyone keeps spamming the same news in their own words for a week or two until Shams or Woj gives an update then they go back to spamming articles about that for another week or two
lol slow news time. they must be so thankful for this because if not, they'd have nothing else to talk about. I tuned into NBA Today and you could tell they just ran out of things to talk about.
then don't follow this sub during the off season lmao what do you expect
*A la Morey* is the viable path here.
Why Nets should rush things when there is no bidding war? If you want to take Jaylen + fillers, fine -- but that's not Durant's value. The return has to be monumental because Nets need to compete with that return until our obligations with HOU expire in 2027.
Right now, there is at least a small benefit if you are patient: Ayton could be traded as soon as Jan. 15 and PHX has all of its picks and swaps to offer. New candidates could emerge as well because every player that resigned this summer is available to trade on that date.
Durant and Kleiman created a mess demanding a trade hours before free agency opened when all the contracts were agreed when this could have been requested days before. Now you pay the price for your sloppiness if you don't want to play until we find you a new home.
Ayton can veto any trade up to a year, so yes he’ll be available on Jan 15th. If he doesn’t like the location the Suns will have to wait until the off-season to trade him.
Him not what getting he wants would be the best thing to happen to the league in a while. Player empowerment is not a bad thing in and of itself but this proves that there has to be limits. This is the best example yet of how out of control it’s gotten
True! I'm defended in his power moves but I felt there was good reasons behind them. This is just out of control. Agreed we need to start setting limits to it and I'm sure the owners will fight for that.
I’m convinced that KD is on a crusade to avenge Kyrie because of the broken down contract negotiations between FO and Kai. KD is fighting a war because Kyrie was “slighted”. Kai is gonna be on his best behavior to leave this off-season with a max contract from someone else. KD hitched his ride to his friend who is a narcissist. I’m sure if KD didn’t demand this trade, and Kyrie played his best season on his best behavior, the nets would have given Kyrie a max contract and we would have Kd Kyrie and Ben locked up for 3-4 years.
I think it's multifaceted. I'm sure Kyrie is a factor but the reason he's so pissed is I think they canned his coaches, especially Harrington.
KD’s next move is to turn on the players specifically Ben Simmons. I saw this tweet and I could definitely see KD doing this, and because Ben is already hated, this move won’t hurt KD’s image
That would be some snake shit to do. Bucher already started trying to talk about that but was quickly debunked. But yeah, I could see it.
KD wants to start the season on his new team his worst fear is having to sit out so he's gonna make the environment as toxic as possible.
yup, we're seeing the start of it already. I think the Nets are gonna fuck with him and not trade him until after the start of the season.
He's lucky I'm not the owner, lol because Id spite him just as he's trying to spite the nets, I wouldn't move him until the deadline and tell him if he wants to play he has to rescind his trade offer.
lol hell yeah, I'd be petty about it too. I'd cut his direct deposit and make him come into the office to pick up a check but yeah, wait until the deadline to move him.
I'm honestly surprised this sub hasn't banned KD rumor articles yet.
Here’s the thing: The Nets are working on a different timeline than the Sixers were. Philadelphia was under pressure to maximize an MVP-caliber season from Joel Embiid, especially with the East looking wide open. Thus, as much as the Sixers talked about their willingness to play it out for an entire season or longer if need be, the fact is they had some real motivation to complete a Simmons deal before the trade deadline. (James Harden’s availability obviously greased that endgame, but the Sixers’ quandary was apparent long before that.)
That wouldn’t seem to be the case with the 2022-23 Nets. If anything, they would seem to have the opposite motivation. Yes, Brooklyn’s first choice would be to run it back with Durant, Simmons and Kyrie Irving (or a suitable replacement). But in the absence of Durant, wouldn’t the Nets’ second choice be to tank the season and try again in 2024? And wouldn’t a Durant holdout do nothing more than accelerate the Nets toward that endgame?
This, in turn, takes us back to Durant and how the heck he extricates himself from a team that holds his rights for another four years. Merely demanding a trade hasn’t accomplished the desired result, and it’s not clear whether throwing the coach and GM under the bus will either. Brooklyn’s best-case scenario may be waiting until midseason, when this summer’s free agents are eligible to be dealt. It seems less likely they’d let a year of Durant’s contract wither on the vine at his age and wait until next offseason … but it can’t totally be ruled out either given the tanking incentive.
If Durant is still a Net as training camp begins, the question of next steps takes on more urgency. Ideally, he could force the Nets’ hand by holding out, but the reality of Brooklyn’s current situation is that a holdout might not be so bad.
This takes us to the final card left for Durant to play, one that he may be reluctant to put on the table for a variety of reasons but could end up being the most effective: Show up, get his numbers while going half-speed on defense, skip every third game with “general soreness” and do just enough to keep this team competent even as he makes everyone miserable in the process. (Helpfully, his good friend Irving has a lot of experience in this area.)
In a roundabout way, that would be the ultimate irony. Few players seem to care more about their public perception than Durant, yet the only way to achieve his desired outcome might be to show up and act like a big jerk. Even then, it’s still not guaranteed to work.
All it takes is one of the KD suitor’s to get desperate
Yeah, anything could change. No one saw AD's trade demand coming. So much could change that could open up new trade possiblities. What if KAT and Gobert clash, what if the Pelicans are a top 5 team in the West but feel like they need a star to take them to the next level. What if the Warriors realize the west is tougher next year. A lot of what ifs but no need to make a panic deal
I forget, do the Nets have their own 1st round pick this year? Tank fest and let KD sit until the trade deadline?
Sure. Anything besides giving in, at this point KD has gone from my favorite player to someone I really want to see not get their way. I hope he’s forced to play this year and hates every minute of it. Dude is a clown, he put this shit together, and is desperately attempting to claw his way out when it didn’t work, even if it means throwing the coach he placed there, under the bus.
He’s a hooper and a loser, not a hooper and a champion. Maybe the best hooper to ever live, but the dude just isn’t a champion.
He’s a loser that lives on Twitter and buys burners to protect his impossibly fickle ego.
Go nets 2023.
Agreed. Talent-wise dude is one of the best ever. Was quickly becoming one of my favorite Nets ever. But he's just always been hard to embrace, like Kyrie. I don't know if it's a combo of player empowerment with emotional immaturity, but it's hard not to lose respect.
I felt him leaving OKC for GS when they were so close to beating them was the weakest move I had ever seen in sports. Questioned why he'd leave the best team ever but was happy he came to my team. Now I understand why there are so many question marks. Dude is just not there mentally or maturity-wise
Look into suspended adolescence, I’m betting more than half these NBA dudes are living it because they can, and no one has ever said “no” to them.
They’re large children who get paid inordinate sums of money to entertain the masses playing a game. They’re not chosen for their maturity or intellect…
yeah, we have our own pick. We owe the Rockets a swap this year.
huh? so the pick is going to the rockets so they do not have an incentive to tank?
Yeah, good question, the Rockets are rebuilding and are likely to be a high lottery team again, definitely not a playoff team best case scenario. So even if the Nets were to make the lottery, even if the Rockets swapped the better pick, the Nets would still have a lottery pick, that's the thinking behind this. Not sure I agree with that method but that's the idea
Could’ve be avoided all this and just fired the HC, and no KD did not place him there
Except that's not enough. He said he wants coach and GM gone, which would be a terrible way to run a business. KD actually endorsed Nash as recently as the end of the season. The reason he's pissed is his coaches getting canned, Harrington especially.
Nash also said “we’re in this together” or something to that effect with Harden right before he got traded. KD’s endorsement of Nash publicly doesn’t really mean anything imo. If he’s asking for him to be fired now, I assume he’s asked for this before and they said no
Just trade kyrie for russ and an unprotected frp so that we can see Durant and russ reunited. The okc 3 have split up, but russ and harden have already reunited, and harden and Durant have already reunited. Now it’s time for Durant and russ to reunite to make this thing go full circle after 10 damn years.
I would just trade him for Jaylen Brown with picks. I think it's worth it considering that Jaylen would be with the team longer than Durant.
I think most would agree that's a solid trade, but I do think the Nets are gonna take their time just to fuck with KD and rightfully so. I think they have no intention of trading him now unless it's a godfather package, then will move him midseason.
Well of course they could refuse to trade him. But then they will be paying a player nearly 200 million dollars that has no desire to play and will just guarantee not compete for anything for 4 years. He could just show up and half ass and never put up more than 20 points a game. He could also just tell other free agents not to come here. This is why stars who demand trades always get them.
he's getting traded for sure, but he doesn't have much leverage as far as when the deal happens and where. He could say he wants to go to certain places, but the team has got to make the best deal for the team and not rush.
I'm not sure you know how leverage works. If Durant came out and told the Pelicans "I dont ever want to play for your franchise" you think they would trade the equivalent of 10 first round picks for him? Durant is only going to play for teams he would agree being traded to. To think a team he doesn't want to play for is going to give up more to get him is absurd.
Maybe you don't understand how a player under contract works. He could make all sorts of public demands but the Nets aren't obligated to send him where he wants to go when he wants. He could say I only want to play for these teams. Nets could say ok go home and either wait until one of these teams meet our asking price or your list of teams increases. Who is likely to blink first?
You are absolutely dumb if you think a team Durant doesn't want to go to is going to give up their entire future for him. You seem completely clueless. He could just do what he is doing now with the new team and why.
So Nets send him home in a show of power but still pay him his 200 million dollar contract? Nets blink first you tard. The longer you wait the less his value is. Completely clueless.
Yeah, I'm completely clueless. Sixers just went through the same exact situation and waited and got the right deal for them. Why? Because situations change during the season, you jerkoff. You wanna call names and be juvenile, you cousin fucker from NC, okay. Situations change throughout the year, just like ours did with Harden. That opens up other potential deals. Will 34 year old Durant be content at home waiting for the phone to ring, not knowing when he'll play, you hillbilly? Maybe but it seems his stance is changing already. It went from, I want Miami and Phoenix, to now Boston is cool and so is Philly. Did you not notice that? I literally said his lists of teams will increase and it already has. The more teams involved, the more there's a chance of a better asking price.
I really think you either read what you wanted just to stir shit up or just are terrible at reading comprehension. Either way, I'm not reading any more of your responses. Fuck off.
If I were the Nets, I’d hold KD until next year, and if he fucks with the team/doesn’t try/uses the media for leverage, he’s off to the Kings. Enjoy 3 years in hell, or get your trade stock up and keep it quiet.
No matter what though, the next contract negotiations are going to HURT the players bad. There will be clauses against this shit left and right. If the other players in the league were smart, they’d stand up against this crap from KD/Harden/Kyrie and try to save face and long lockouts and negotiations.
Idk what kind of power he thinks his value is when he just might decide he wants out of a contract at any time. I would trade for this guy if he might just want to leave.
Brooklyn as constructed is a contender if everyone on their team would just try (that includes Simmons and Kyrie too).
I think his leverage is 41M worth. Look what Vince Carter did to get traded. He played half effort. KD is gone, due to Mark's sucking, who trades 7 picks for Harden?
What's the difference tho.
I'd argue and say KD is already a part time player. 90 games out of around 230 games played in three years? KD already been at half effort.
I'm old enough to remember guys playing through injuries. Now dudes.need.A.month of ramp up for a papercut.
That's unfair criticism of KD to talk about his injury. We.saw his calf move during the finals against the Raptors, that's a legitimate injury he suffered. Him missing the next year was expected, that's not a lack of effort thing.
Unfair to expect dudes paid millions to show up for work huh?
Yeah we all saw the injury . Same injury some athletes take SEVEN months to recover from. Most take 9months to a year. Explain why KD told the Nets from the jump he would need 18 months. Which he took. The Pandemic paused the season. Allowing him a window to return to a Nets playoff team in the bubble. He was cleared to play MONTHS earlier and CHOOSE not to play.
These dudes always CHOOSE to.not.show.uo to work and u think that behavior is defensible. You are Parr of the problem. You fanboys enable these guys/clowns. They read your support and are able to drown out REALITY.
It wasn't seven picks. It was three picks and four swaps. One was extinguished already and one this season \*likely\* won't transfer.
But pre-injury Harden was playing at an MVP level. You can't rewrite history and say it was terrible, because any time you can trade for an MVP player without giving up an all star, which is what we did, you make that trade every day of the week. It was a great trade at the time.
Pick swaps hurt also, due to not being able to a second pick swap on the same pick. Thus preventing the Nets from potentially doing a swap with another team in trying to trade away KD.
The Nets of all teams should have know what can go wrong when you trade away too many draft picks. Yet they did it again for Harden (yes different GM and owner).
"without giving up an All Star" ..... Umm..... They did give up an all star for Harden, they gave up Allen. It was never a great trade and it didn't end up being a great trade.
They made the trade with the hope that they could get some ring chasers on cheap contracts, yes that happened. But it was still a bad trade.