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Itto's NA and Burst have been changed again in Honey Hunters.

Itto's NA and Burst have been changed again in Honey Hunters.

ninja927

They probably had the client data yesterday, but the changes weren't live yet which caused the confusion.


-JUST_ME_

I mean the sword thing should be true as previously it was heavily underperforming, so I think those could be quite credible.


Cryptophasia

Sword thing?


Nahoma

The 5* claymore that is gonna be released with Itto got its base atk decreased to 542 at lvl90 and instead got its cdmg increased from 66% to 88% I believe This makes the weapon better for Itto and Noelle since they don't scale off Atk so having lower base atk but higher cdmg is better for them


iiRuby

88% cdmg??!! Holy shit


Malateh

Remember that Jade Cutter has 44% crit rate stat and crit rate and crit dmg is usually 1:2 or more


lookingforHandouts

to be fair, Jade Cutter is absolutely bonkers You do not need to be jade cutter to be a very good weapon indeed


juniorjaw

We gon smash harder.


Cryptophasia

Thank you!


lightspirit3

Are you sure ? Cause in honey hunter it has the same stats as before...


send-me-ur-huge-cock

that's because it got reverted lol, the one who just called it "sword thing" was saying that it should be un-reverted because it's kinda 🐶


Xero0911

Would 20% crit damage really help it out enough? Feel like juat sticking to whiteblind or serpent servant is just the easier option.


kb3035583

It would perform sufficiently above Whiteblind and SS that players have a reason to pull on it. Won't be Grasscutter levels of optimal but good enough.


elixxon

Whiteblind gives so much stats it's into diminishing returns territory. Serpent Spine is good because of the crit stat and the damage% but the new weapon should outperform it with the superior crit value and it's def% and damage% bonus. Itto and Noelle dont scale so much with base atk so it's a definite buff.


Narsiel

Hoping, wishing and praying it stays like this for the live version.


AirlineUnique6765

i came from the future and these were not changes in fact there were no changes at all ppl got bamboozeld and honey also got played now they chaneged these back to how they were cuz there was no buffs to itto's kit, that's the sad truth gentelmen it is what it is


FemmEllie

I’m just not gonna assume anything about this for a couple weeks


CapPosted

Healthy outlook. Just to cover all grounds, I'm assuming Itto will be released as a loli with an electro vision and a bow, and her normal attacks will not proc Xingqiu swords and will cancel Xiangling's pyronado.


telegetoutmyway

Oh no, you'll probably be disappointed!


Informal-Buffalo6845

If I could give you an award, I would lol


LowOnChakra

As i always say “the lower the expectations, the less disappointed you get”


TheAlpha990

Wait till Mihoyo creates a character seeing this one.


Konomiru

Yeah...thats the safest route. It feels like if they add a cool new character they design them to not work with popular existing, and if they make a unique cool skill they create a enemy or way for it to be useless....like raidens e not hurting abyss magetherold shields As cool as itto looks, no matter how strong he is if he can't hurt/break elemental shields fast he might aswell be ning.


elixxon

Well the thing about geo is you can bring a counter for shields. Gorou effectively locking the team to three geo one flex unless you give up the geo%buff is interesting though.


baronisnotsmol

i had to hold back my laughter so bad bless you


Effendoor

For sure. I always take numbers with the biggest grain of salt since they could theoretically change daily


intoxicatedcoffe

i mean, it's called beta testing for a reason


Scythro

I think this was the current transcription of events: \- New unlisted buffs according to leaker, datamine package seems to support it --> pushed out as leak. \- Last beta update didn't reflect changes to skill and burst data --> retract leak. \- Apparently the changes were pushed to a later update --> honeyhunter reverse the data. I would say no one is to blame, hope these changes stay. But also some changes to shredding shields in the future. {Hopium}


FennlyXerxich

Granted, new enemy that instantly destroys shields.


Scythro

LOL! You got me on that one, always be careful what you wish for!


life_sway

And they are giving us update with full Geo


Wasabi_Toothpaste

It's my headcanon that Morax is actually behind this patch


life_sway

Can't say


rei69desu

SHIELD BREAK! also need enemy type that receive massive damage by applying healing


Monokuze

Kinda like ghost enemies in maple story, healing also deal massive dmg to ghosts.


ralamus

some sort of shield shredding bonus would certainly be welcome. also his C2 seems kinda meh if they keep the 70cost/18s for the burst, hoping they rework or swap it with another constellation.


remirousselet

"Meh" seems like a strong word Being able to run 0 ER is a pretty strong point. Not a must have, but certainly not the worst C2 of all characters. Xiao would love to have that C2 for example.


ralamus

we don't know how useful that energy regen on it will be when he has a team full of geos anyway, but even giving it the benefit of the doubt in a best case scenario where it's good, that's only half the constellation bonus and the other half which is cd reduction is essentially useless. especially with hitlag factored in.


Suveil

Xiao can already run 0 ER and have his burst up all the time with c4+ 250%+ ER electro traveler as the battery.


remirousselet

It doesn't change the fact that his C2 is pretty bad in comparison to Itto's C2


Suveil

which is great for f2p since Xiao's constellations don't matter much besides c6.


wh1tejacket

His C1 is hella fun though lol


Husbando4Laifu

So with these new buffs, his C2 should be changed to: "After using Royal Descent, Behold Itto the Evil!, each party member whose Element is Geo will ignore the opponents' DEF by 10% and restore 6 Energy to Arataki Itto. A maximum of 40% of the opponents' DEF can be ignored and 24 Energy can be restored in this manner." His current C2 has no value with the CD reduction because it's gonna take 7 seconds to rotate all your supports anyways.


BSerajuldeen

I agree! A DEF reduction would be the perfect thing to go for!


Zzzzyxas

It makes the ult extremely cheap though. Running 0 ER is relevant.


ralamus

Yes but that's only half the c2 bonus and the other half which reduces cd is pretty useless especially factoring in hitlag.


Available-Daikon-751

Kinda funny seeing people downplay how good that will be when they were complaining about how full geo team might not be enough energy generation for him before this.


Zzzzyxas

He has energy problems. Ok we reduce the cost. But now his c2 is baaaad why do you want energy you have 4 geo. Yeah, whatever...


AlumimiumFoil

if you have 2/3/4 geo party members you probably wouldn't need the extra energy anyways


Roboaki

Depend on who are the Geo party members. Albedo is RNG. Zhongli is RNG while much lower AoE. Gorou speculated as not too good of energy generation and may need battery for his own 80 cost burst too. Zhongli and Gorou can use Favonius weapon to circumvent somewhat though.


RevolutionaryWin9248

Hopefully they change the 2geo char buff from gorou. It’s so lame the “resistance to interruptions”. It could be something like “shield get 20% stronger, also when under the protection of a shield you deal 2x more damage to elemental shields)”. Way more useful and interesting. Also could make gorou meta in chambers you are agains Abyss Harold and Lector.


AlumimiumFoil

it should definitely be more dmg to elemental shields. running so many geo characters leaves little space for someone to break elemental shields so that's very important.


CuteMathematician703

Abyss Harold and Abyss Lester, the classic duo


Mental-Wheel986

sounds like evil standup comedians


isenk2dah

I have no idea why they went with resistance interruption when being shielded already gives 100% interrupt resist his kit already pulls crystallize shields once every 1.5s. Even with how crystallize shields often get criticized, almost nothing is gonna consistently break it under 1.5s so that part of his kit seem pretty wasted.


RevolutionaryWin9248

Yeah. I think gorou is really badly designed. His 2team mates buff is basically useless and his ultimate is kinda boring. It would be cool if his burst have the team movement speed to at least feel that is giving a different buff.


StowawayBunny

He has way more problems than shield-breaking tbh. He can't move much during charged attack, which is his main source of damage, and all the new enemies move around a lot. He has a smaller window of opportunity to chase after them than other normal DPS characters. Geo traveller's ult circle used to be able to mitigate that a little, but MHY nerfed that recently.


PieOpposite4047

i need to stop refreshing this sub, if i just went here once a day i wouldn't have to endure this torture😔


YourHonestFriend

I mean don't worry too much about itto changes. At the end of the day he's just a six pack Noelle. Noelle does slash, slash and slash, this guy is also gonna left click, left click and left click. They did the same thing with yoimiyah. They wanted her cuteness to compensate for her bad kit. They wanted Baals archon status a reason not to make her work with beido. They made kokomi's kit bad because they knew they wouldn't be getting good sales after an archon banner. Now they are giving us the first six pac character but for me that doesn't take away from the fact that all he is gonna do is do the same thing as Noelle but with a newer artifact set and a six pack body. This isn't a win for geo at all.


919dd

Just because you dont care about a character doesnt mean other people cant. Not to mention that itto is not even that similar to noelle. Noelle in her burst form prioritizes normal attacks but itto fully utilizes charged attacks. He doesnt have a shield and is also more single target focused from what we've seen while noelle's ult screams AoE.


Mrhat070

So this is what a conspiracy theorist looks like in genshin


YourHonestFriend

It's not a conspiracy. I've formed an opinion looking at itto how his attacks are and that it's just left click after left click. It just seems like he's very similar to how Noelle plays but stronger. In your opinion, if someone talks about a positive future for a character it's called "speculation", but when I look at what I see and determine the character isn't appealing, it's a "conspiracy"?


Mrhat070

The statements of kokomi and baal are not opinions nor speculations. They are nonsense talk


ohyeahyeahohyeahy

Dude charged attacks is itto's main thing, making him the most unique claymore character rn, he's not similar to Noelle in any way, damn bro just use your brain and try to understand...


LostMyPantsGuy

But his playstyle isnt "left click left click left click".He builds stacks through his E and Auto Attacks, the E also acts as a taunt allowing strategic placement added to the gameplay loop. Once his Ult is up and he has max stacks he charged attacks. Does that sound like nothing but left click or ANYTHING like Noelle to you? The only similarity is that they scale with DEF but part from that girlie you're stretching just saying 🤷 And just because you think they're unappealing, doesn't mean other people will and have to aswell


PieOpposite4047

i agree with you but i don't see why i shouldn't worry about itto. i like the character, i want his multipliers and etc to stay good. i never built noelle so his playstyle will feel fresh to me. i also only ever used quickswap teams for abyss and don't have any 5\* mdps so im excited to build a hyper carry team for once


YourHonestFriend

At 115% at level 6 it's only 15% less than dilucs level 6 normals. But itto is going get more DMG based off defence and on top of that there's a new defence artifact on its way in the next patch. Add geo resonance and pyro resonance too if you want and he's gonna be pretty strong. And I haven't built Noelle either but from early game play I didn't like her because all she did was slash slash slash. This character is going to do the same. He's a good looking unit that's going to be boring to play. If a Noelle can solo all the floors in abyss and get 36 stars then there's no reason why this character would be worse than that. I'll say it again he's a good looking cool character but he's going to be boring to play


Yoimiya_Chan

You mean Noelle c6? Not everyone has c6. Source: my Noelle is c2 and I started playing day 1.


YourHonestFriend

Not c6 although c6 Noelle is pretty big. With the new artifact on Noelle and c6 I don't think there's be a reason to pull for itto. I wouldn't pull for itto it I had a c6 Noelle


Yoimiya_Chan

Well to each their own. Even if I had Noelle c6, I would pull for Itto. I don't find Noelle more interesting other than she is cute. Probably falls to that category I pulled Ganyu when she had "cryo amber title", same for "expensive sucrose" and this time won't be different with "Noelle with 6 pack"


MadNuar

Its genshin, you can play who and how you want since even 10y old with bilndfold can clear most of the game content Plus many ppl play different characters coz they like the design or their persona I have c6 noelle but i will never build her - i just dont like her design


Red_Demons_Dragon

Ah shit, here we go again.


Smoke_Santa

Honestly, not surprised. This sub has seen way more confusing days.


21stitches

Yeah nothing beats Kokomi confusion. When Kokomi had ridiculous hp scaling, you had people coming in suddenly being like "I'm somewhat of a mermaid lover myself, " and once people found out she had split scaling instead and it was an error, it swung back hard into "5 star Barbara, ".


Smoke_Santa

Yep I was thinking about Kokomi confusion. Man, people then really said "I'll pull even if she heals the enemies hehe" when they were clearly wanted to justify "not being a meta slave" Within hours of the leak, the people had actually done all the math. She was looking like the first actual "Broken" unit. Man I'll remember that day lmfaoo. Also the Sword vs Polearm confusion. Sword in the cutscene, art, and leaks. meanwhile datamined to be Polearm. The amount of copium was hilarious.


nguyendragon

i remember with that ratio, her jellyfish alone with standard icd vape deals the damage of the entire morgana team rotation. It literally can not be true but people got too attached to the prospect that the backlash is probably partially due to that


Offduty_shill

The secret is a lot more people care about meta or at least perceived character strength than the main sub would let on. Why do you think "waifu players" get giga triggered anytime someone says their waifu isn't super strong? You'd think they don't give a shit if they just actually pull for other reasons. I honestly hate the whole "waifu > meta" narrative, like yes you should pull whoever you like, but you can like a character for any reason, including character strength. People acting like they're superior beings for pulling weak characters is super cringe.


JustinTruedope

right? character design, playstyle and strength are ALL valid and important reasons to pull or not to pull


Dysmo

Wanting a character you like to be also strong doesn't indicate they're a meta slave.


ColdCrescent

Saying that someone's character is "weak" will guarantee that they call you a meta slave though. Funny how that works.


dc-x

> Why do you think "waifu players" get giga triggered anytime someone says their waifu isn't super strong? You'd think they don't give a shit if they just actually pull for other reasons. It's silly, but I have a feeling that some people get overly annoyed at this because they equivalate jokes and criticisms towards the character with some sort of mockery towards their preferences and purchase decisions, so they feel personally attacked. /r/Kokomi_Mains/ early during her banner was feeling like a support group for people who are depressed because someone else is getting bullied, which was just weird.


Simoscivi

Spitting, also there's no reason why a "waifu" character can't be meta as well


YaBoiArchie92

Honestly it's more the fact there isn't a single "bad" male character in this game. At worst they work in a clear roll, at best they're utterly broken in a good way. Meanwhile female characters range from downright terrible to powercrept to overtuned. As an example, Gorou is to Geo what Sara should have been to Electro. One clearly needed more time in the oven, and it's a fucking joke. Especially when sales will show who pays for this game. The only excuse is Mihoyo knows waifu banners will sell regardless and we get into a discussion about their shitty practices. That being said I have no fucking clue what Mihoyo is trying to do, business wise. Neither of Childe's previous banners sold well, yet here we are with a third one. I assume they're sitting on Ganyu's for a rainy day? Lastly, nothing cringe about the truth. Bennett and Kazuha just work, you need to MAKE Kokomi work


omae-wa-shinderu

Neither of the Childe banner sold well? Are you kidding me? All the sales data we have shows that his banner did better than many units (Kazuha, Yoimiya, Albedo, Hu Tao, Eula, Kokomi) in cn. In Jp he is the 5th highest selling banner with his rerun outselling Ayaka’s first banner and being the most profitable rerun yet. Idk why you people act like you know all the sales and statistics when you don’t? No matter how much we like to trash Mihoyo, they probably know what they are doing. They have all the data while we don’t (we don’t even know that the sales data we have is true or not). Males being “better” than females meta wise is probably because of the fact that they are so rare. We barely get them.None of the starters 4 stars were bad (including males and females) and, we ONLY had starter male 4 stars till Thoma and from what I have seen he is meh. Zhongli was terrible on his release (worse than Kokomi) and was only buffed due to huge backlash. And what “bad” females we got before yoimiya? Ganyu is broken, hu tao good cause pyro, Eula can do 1 million, Ayaka is also good and balanced like Kazuha. (As for 4 stars cant compare since we never got any male 4 stars outside of the ones added in 1.0) Male characters also don’t have any access to reactions because for some reason Mihoyo doesn’t like male characters outside of geo and anemo. You would think that they would make them pyro and cryo in order to sell well. What you are saying is just not true.


Kato_Kizu

i mean the males being good thing is what happens when there’s barely any in the game vs the constant influx of female characters. It’s the consequences of releasing so many, they run of ideas, same with their character quests.


YaBoiArchie92

There's definitely some truth to that, but you would think there's at least one dud in there.


Kato_Kizu

I mean Thoma kind of is. He’s really only “meta” or great for hu tao. Besides that not really.


YaBoiArchie92

Even then, he's freeing up Zhongli to put in your other team while being a four star.


Kato_Kizu

Yeah but he isn’t amazing. He’s on the same tier as say Sayu. Which i mean you could just use Diona who does way more instead of thoma.


XaeiIsareth

Sara is a character that should have never been attempted to be made at all. Flat attack buffing is a terrible idea altogether because of its non-scaling nature. So what they ended up doing was trying to be extremely careful to avoid a second Benett and make sure Sara only works for a small number of units they want her to work for like Raiden.


StandardPandaHugger

Just want to say Childe’s first rerun sold the best out of all the current reruns so far in Japan and even sold better than Ayaka and Xiao’s first run. And Childe’s second rerun (this one) already outsold all the reruns (yes even Klee and Zhongli) besides his first rerun and Xiao’s first banner in Japan. He is incredibly popular over there. Guess this banner is just not catered to the west. You kind of have to respect that.


DekuSenpai-WL8

What about Razor? He is male and currently not meta. I'd prefer Kokomi than Razor. And the reason why there is many bad female characters than males is because there are more females. The females to male ratio is high like 3:1.. so with 1 bad male character you should at least expect 3 bad female characters.


PCBS01

Is that why Tohma is kinda shit to anyone who isn't Hu Tao? Is that why Zhongli was shit at first? Is that why Xiao gets dumpstered on by every other post-launch DPS? This myth that "male charas are ALWAYS good and Mihoyo balancing team hates women charas :(" is some bullshit. Gorou is niche and Sara, who really shoulldn't have been released in the state she is in, is still more universally useful than he is. Hell even Itto before this buff was looking to be WORSE than Noelle!


YaBoiArchie92

Zhongli, even pre-buff, still had the best shield in the game by far and it would still be the best shield in the game today. Xiao is king of the abyss any time a floor is overrun with mobs and abyss mages. I'm surprised you didn't mention Childe considering he was considered garbage for far longer (he never was). Gorou may be niche but he at least he's needed by half his element and not an inferior version of someone else. Sara is unusable until C2 and even then she's better as a burst bot than a support until C6 where she's pretty much only used for Raiden hypercarry or Keqing, but only the most dedicated use her.


PCBS01

Nobody would have ran Zhongli pre-buff over Diona who's shield was so much more useful lol. Noel's too for geo. Don't rewrite history, plus even casting it was a huge risk because of hit resistance/how long it took to cast. Xiao is no king of the abyss when Ganyu, Hu Tao, Eula and Ayaka all do more DPS than he does even though he has to lose hp every time he ult's. Yeah he has AoE but it's difficult keeping track of multiple enemies when you're pogo-sticking, He's a burst DPS so you're punished for leaving him on the field too long, and if you don't have C1/know his gameplay strat then you're fucked. Actually use Xiao and you'll notice how inadequate he is compared to those four characters. I didn't mention Childe because he was always "fine" just with shitty constellations that seem good at first but turn out to be huge-ass bait (minus his C4). Still just like Xiao you're punished if he's on the field too long so you have to manage him. Similarly it's why I didn't mention Albedo even though he's debatably worse than Fischl but well. We see that he's getting those huge buffs so it's w/e really. ​ Gorou needs a buff honestly. He's theoretically really good but he's still worse than the alternative (Bennet, a VV user and Xingqiu) in their home turf despite being much more niche than them. Sure he rules geo but only because of Itto and Albedo needing def. Bennet still provides more'a boost in the other eles than Gorou does geo unless he's C6. ​ As for Sara I agree she is a mistake. The bad kind. She's just hella clunky gameplay wise and I don't get why they didn't play-test her more to realize that.


YaBoiArchie92

Yeah, Zhongli required you to use your brain, an outdated concept. It's not rewriting it's the truth. He also had a low cost burst with light CC elements, something Diona didn't offer. And healing was (somewhat) irrelevant in the shield meta. I appreciate you ignored half of my Xiao statement. Yes, right now Eula and Ayaka have more relevance but the dude trashed the Abyss when elemental shields were everywhere. Of course now that we have shit like the Maguu Kenki occupying chambers he has seen a drop off, but that's not because he's bad, it's because it doesn't play to his strengths. Admittedly I do agree keeping track of everything can be tough but that's just a lower skill floor than anything else. I'm not sure why you act like "being on the field too long" being a punishment is unique to him or Childe. Everyone gets punished for that because team dps drops. You have to switch out, it's a team based game. Albedo is pretty much who I thought of when I said "fills a niche well". Weak geo app iirc so he doesn't interfere with elemental reactions, easy to build due to the pure defense scaling of his E, low cost burst that buffs party EM, ideal partner for Geo Res with Zhongli, low cooldown on his E let's him easily relocate it. He's not flashy, he's not sexy, he gets the job done, only real issue is bosses fuck with his flower. Gorou is only wanted in Geo teams so I'm not sure why you mention VV since you wouldn't run it, and frankly that's fine, Pure Geo comps have been used a lot before. Only problem a Itto, Gorou, Zhongli, Albedo team would have is with elemental shields (it's a very big problem though), but if those made a return, Xiao would be king of the abyss again. Meanwhile poor Kokomi comes pre-installed with a -140 Crit Score and only gets 25% Healing Bonus as compensation.


kb3035583

> He also had a low cost burst with light CC elements Not the person you were replying to, but I'm calling bullshit on this. Zhongli's energy generation is so poor that his 40 cost burst feels more like 80, necessitating you to run ~150% ER if you aren't putting him in a double Geo team. And even then, it's largely a DPS loss to use his Q unless you're hyperinvesting in him with a nuke build, which is extremely difficult seeing as you already need to find 50% ER in substats for him. At that point, his shields aren't thick enough to completely forgo healing. Bear in mind back then Geo shields only provided 250% extra effectiveness against Geo. His burst was almost certainly not a selling point, and even if you argue that it was, it certainly wasn't remotely relevant enough to make him a "good" character back then.


Asamidori

Waiting to see if that rumor of dumping Childe into that new banner for all the people with 2 reruns is true.


telegetoutmyway

I would have never noticed that trend. But as someone who has only pulled on male character banners cause its easier to roleplay as them, I kind of hope the reasoning is true so I can look forward to consistently useable banners lol.


H3rbW3st

I definitely would love for Xinyan to be as bad as Razor.


oh-shit-oh-fuck

I think childe is back mostly because he became relevant in the meta as a hydro applicator for Xiangling. Mihoyo decided to capitalize on this and run his banner again while he was relevant cause it's probably one of the best chances they'll ever have to sell him again. They're probably saving Ganyu rerun for the perfect moment where she won't take too much money away from the banners before her and they're about to release a character that powercreeps her so there's a shinier toy for people to swipe on instead of just feeling like Ganyu is the strongest


YaBoiArchie92

See, Childe isn't really back, he was always here, back when he came out in 1.1 people just didn't understand how elemental applications and ICD worked, and people didn't realize how busted he is when you pair him with Xiangling and Bennett. To be fair no one knew how good Bennett was because he was designated expedition guy and back when the game came out you could bring people on expeditions into the party, plus he only really shined at higher AR. Childe's actual game state is largely the same, he just has a better VV support, weapons and artifact set now. But it's not like he struggled when people that realized these things used him. Only thing I want from a Ganyu rerun is a proper pyro support. I'm tired of Morgana Ganyu and want to run Melt Ganyu. I've tried it with Xiangling and it works, but it's in spite of the synergy since Ganyu still loves Amos and XL forces you to shotgun with the equivalent of a sniper. You could also do Bennett and Kazuha but that's taking two of the best supports and sticking them with a character that doesn't need them.


VolkiharVanHelsing

"I like her aesthetics" That kind of phrase sounds more and more like "I visit PH for the web design" smh


Offduty_shill

I mean PH has better UI than every other porn site that makes my eyes bleed so it is an actual reason for preferring it lmao


Chriscras66

Oh man Kok with hp scaling would have been so litty tho


ImAHeroBTW

Why does that bother you? Is there something wrong with how people liked her more when she was assumed to be stronger? Are you suggesting if you didn't like her before you didn't deserve her or something? I would hope not, that's some neck beard stuff


FutureDr_

Tired Qiqi⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣶⣿⣿⡿⠷⠤⠒⠒⠒⠤⢄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣴⣿⣿⠟⠋⢀⠀⠀⠈⠐⠄⠀⠠⠀⢔⢁⠖⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣀⣜⣿⣿⡿⠁⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠄⠀⠂⠁⢌⠀⠟⢂⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢨⠁⣿⣾⣿⣿⠁⠁⠄⠀⠀⠀⠈⡀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠀⢄⡴⠒⢗⠠⢑⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⣿⣷⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠈⠄⠀⢀⠄⠂⠠⢤⡀⠊⠀⠀⠑⠒⠁⠀⢸⠘⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠈⠐⠁⠢⠀⠀⣢⠵⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⢴⠶⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠺⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⢰⢃⣀⠌⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⡦⠛⣻⡶⢶⣦⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠙⢀⠀⠀⢀⢠⡄⣎⢻⢱⣼⣄⠛⣼⡏⠉⢁⣄⣀⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⢻⣿⣷⡀⠀⡀⠀⣀⠈⠀⠈⢉⣠⣾⣿⣏⠃⣓⠯⣷⠿⡀⢤⠐⠋⠫⡁⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢻⡿⢀⣿⣖⣤⢅⡟⣿⣬⠈⣿⣏⣋⣱⣯⡎⡪⢁⠌⠷⢀⣀⢰⣾⠆ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣾⡽⢿⣿⡿⣿⣿⠀⣽⣿⣽⣉⠔⣿⣶⣧⣄⣄⣰⣿⡏⠉⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠘⠿⠷⠿⠯⣀⡤⣿⠿⢏⠙⠛⠛⠋⠁⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢻⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀


P0sitive_Mess

Itto's scaling's really just went: Parkour!


nathiru

Please dont play with my emotions today. I dont think i can handle it


sesquipedalian4

claymore is still the same though hm...


J_EZ

I usually just wait until 2 weeks before the character drops to actually take a look at their stats since way too much is still subject to change at this point.


janjicm

I mean at this point its just better to wait and not get our hopes up lmao


Swifchtyign

Time for the second Jebait?


Brodot

We do a little trolling


Dysfunctional_Pasta

This is quite the emotional rollercoaster. In all seriousness though, I'm happy to see a non-80 burst character being considered. The 2 second cool down reduction will feel amazing, too. Mind you, these are still subject to change. He's looking much more ideal now!


alidiri

True, plus with hit lag his cool down will be even more comfortable to manage. He's looking good!


Dysfunctional_Pasta

Stay winning gamer. Not to mention with full rotations and enough particles... it'll feel like little to no downtime. LETS GO


D0sh1

Don’t give me hope


MrDingyDongy

🗿


hideyuke

His weapon is still unbuffed rn, hope this will change.


Ruimzunir

i see another Anemo buff next patch


YassKweennn

HH: https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/itto/?lang=EN let's all remember to take this with a grain of salt. hopium tho


louderthanbxmbs

Wow. It's almost as if early beta is rarely to never permanent huh.


PieOpposite4047

i don't remember something like this happening before though


Eijun_Love

Yup. I think Mihoyo is trying to determine which client would leak lol.


Dysmo

It's crazy how people don't get this in a LEAK subreddit


louderthanbxmbs

> goes to leak subreddit to read beta leaks > Expects beta leaks to be permanent when beta testing is made for changes and updates > Also gets mad if nothing gets changed in beta


Dysmo

>Also gets mad if something IS changed in beta, calling it false advertising


wpsince2009

Does the claymore still have 80+% crit dmg ???


Zayev_

I believe so as everything for Itto came through.


Rhys-Malcolm

What a rollercoaster. Future itto mains are throwing up at this point.


cherryb6mb

The ride that is Itto has never had brakes, I'm living for the non-stop excitement. 👏


slipperysnail

>Snip snap snip snap Do you have any idea the toll 3 buffs/nerfs takes on a man?


PCBS01

Pretty sure even Honey wouldn't update it again if they weren't 100% sure it was coming. That is if they weren't put in the past few hours anyway


PandaCheese2016

Normal players will only be disappointed once when the character comes out. Meanwhile us leak eaters get to enjoy many disappointments as we ride the self-inflicted emotional rollercoaster.


Talian404

hopium levels unstable.


Rosha13265

This is the "Can Raiden cook" all over again.


andreyue

What a rollercoaster turn of events, lol


Ok-Sugar-3139

Geo is like all around shielding why cant they let geo element be the shield shredder/destroyer or whatever


kickerofelves_

Especially since they're actively pushing for mono geo teams now!


Wisterosa

because anemo already does that probably


Ok-Sugar-3139

Not really what i meant it is able to destroy shields yes but not as effective


stopbeinggaymikasa

Was the weapon not changed then?


YassKweennn

not yet. maybe it is supposed to stay the way it is, but who knows


Subtlestrikes

I’ll wait until 3 more days to rejoice. These are 4 really good buffs to him and his weaponry


Darkness0033

Another fucking rollercoaster? Childe and Hutao banners flashbacks


LiraelNix

Let's see if the changes stick for a few days before reacting this time, since it's clear Honey is having issues other than the creators personality


FutureDr_

What a tiring rollercoaster ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣶⣿⣿⡿⠷⠤⠒⠒⠒⠤⢄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣴⣿⣿⠟⠋⢀⠀⠀⠈⠐⠄⠀⠠⠀⢔⢁⠖⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣀⣜⣿⣿⡿⠁⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠄⠀⠂⠁⢌⠀⠟⢂⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢨⠁⣿⣾⣿⣿⠁⠁⠄⠀⠀⠀⠈⡀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠀⢄⡴⠒⢗⠠⢑⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⣿⣷⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠈⠄⠀⢀⠄⠂⠠⢤⡀⠊⠀⠀⠑⠒⠁⠀⢸⠘⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠈⠐⠁⠢⠀⠀⣢⠵⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⢴⠶⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠺⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⢰⢃⣀⠌⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⡦⠛⣻⡶⢶⣦⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠙⢀⠀⠀⢀⢠⡄⣎⢻⢱⣼⣄⠛⣼⡏⠉⢁⣄⣀⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⢻⣿⣷⡀⠀⡀⠀⣀⠈⠀⠈⢉⣠⣾⣿⣏⠃⣓⠯⣷⠿⡀⢤⠐⠋⠫⡁⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢻⡿⢀⣿⣖⣤⢅⡟⣿⣬⠈⣿⣏⣋⣱⣯⡎⡪⢁⠌⠷⢀⣀⢰⣾⠆ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣾⡽⢿⣿⡿⣿⣿⠀⣽⣿⣽⣉⠔⣿⣶⣧⣄⣄⣰⣿⡏⠉⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠘⠿⠷⠿⠯⣀⡤⣿⠿⢏⠙⠛⠛⠋⠁⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢻⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀


airnawn

tomorrow: *“sorry itto’s multipliers were once again displayed incorrectly and he also wields hydro vision and catalyst weapon, sorry for any minor inconveniences.”* -*ehe*


MadNuar

Finally first male catalyst user


kenzakki

Called it Lmao


Manda_Long

i won't get my hopes up i won't get my hopes up i won't get my hopes up oH GOD ITTO BUFF??


Beiolos

Imma hope they stay this time. Itto mains would be plenty happy about this.


Zzzzyxas

What a rollercoaster.


Draken77777

Yea boi


Frostblazer

I want off this wild ride! I don't know what to believe anymore! (That said, I do want the buffs--assuming they're real--to go through.)


enrageisnear

i expected that tbh.


proxysthrowaway

I don’t think people should bother putting too much faith into numbers before a character is officially out. It’s like they always say, it’s subject to change. The point of testing is to change the numerical values, among many other things


dmK137

Do u guys think WGS will be a fine statstick for Itto?


YassKweennn

his base ATK is very low, so probably not. whiteblind would be better


Status-Version-1718

wtf is happening...


Brodot

Real talk what is happening with your pfp…


Status-Version-1718

Physical DPS Klee


Background_Froyo3653

Klee had mastered the art of violence


ItisNitecap

More like psychic damage klee


tswinteyru

inb4 the next 5 star Physical Dps is actually a bald guy and this is foreshadowing...


FerrariAsap

Pls dont jebait us again, the changes were to specific to be fake, hope this stays like this... hopium


Happypie90

I cant seem to remember the old reverted buffs %, is this back to that or?


Sceptylos

They are the same as the buffed info we got yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/gEaTDdR.png


YassKweennn

i can't remember the NA scalings precisely, but i can say that the burst cost has been reduced from 80 to 70 and the cooldown from 20s to 18s again.


Happypie90

Yeah that seems familiar, which i guess means the normal scalings are the same as before


Poet_Hustler

Gonna wait a day before I change my spreadsheets...


ojeezusfern

Imagine if it gets reversed back again... Nah


saladvtenno

But I thought the mod said Itto buffs never happened


lizzywbu

Honestly just wait until his release. Raiden was changed numerous times before release, so Itto will likely get more changes.


OzairBoss

Don't give me hope


AElectronics

official > leaks


DeceitKing

Mmmmmm I'm just gonna go and take a neutral stance at this. Gonna take this with a grain of salt.


lightspirit3

The claymore didnt get any buffs T\_T


Bntt89

Riiigggghhttt, idk about this one anymore.


Sven268

I’m honestly not expecting much due to what happened before. But I wish it is true though. Since I’ve prepared funds for him (c6 and weapon).


carame1sundae

So... Buff or no buff?


rcradiator

Claymore had no changes tho, which is a shame for anyone who wanted to get it for Noelle or Itto.


AlumimiumFoil

Lmao.


kyo7763

Any guestimate on his damage from the numbers? I have 2 wgs and zhongli so I am wondering if that alone would make it worth to pull for him as an on field dps


ChipChipSlide

WGS is worse than Whiteblind for Itto. Never pull because you have mats for a character. Pull because you like them and their game play.


kyo7763

Well you answered how to optimize him, but you didn't answer the actual question I was asking. In my case, if he is a strong DPS character, then I would like to play him as that is what my roster is currently lacking. Hence, why I posted. But, thank you for the help.


Megawolf123

... As a main DPS Ittou scales off defense... So he just stated that best number you want to try will be with Whiteblind.


kyo7763

Yes, I said thank you for that. My question was if anyone has done any guestimate on his damage from the %s that have been posted....


AlumimiumFoil

Current scalings, only calculated for SCA Itto C0 + Gorou C0 + Redhorn R1, full stacks of new set 240 CDMG (180 without weapon, the weapon didn't get the buff again yet) 20% Geo Res Didn't calc Geo Resonance because I don't know how that works Final Hit: 55K With Zhongli: 69K


WolfWalksInBlood

Geo resonance would mostly just be the 15% added dmg. It applies the same way as geo dmg or any other dmg. It should add a few thousand since I doubt he is getting over 100% dmg, from other sources. Seems like he mostly has Def scaling buffs and not many actual dmg buffs. It depends on the artifact set to though. The resistance is impossible to calculate without choosing a specific enemy type.


kyo7763

ty!


KennethBrownie

Itto hype dying more each day.


Talian404

why do you think that??


freawaru2

So what I've learned from this rollercoaster is that WFP/Uba/the mods of this sub cannot be trusted in determining what leaks are real or mistakes


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yoyoman195

Okay so there was the base stats, a buff to stats, removed buff, then added it back again?


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Gruffaloe

It's more like, someone said they would be buffing him, then data mining showed a buff, but then when actual beta was updated there was no buff - then the buff showed up when beta was updated again