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Scaramouche Archon theory

Scaramouche Archon theory

ProcrastinandoAndo

It's possible but who knows where he is or if he truly plans to rule Inazuma. His real name, Kunikuzushi, means Country Destroyer. We don't know if that was a name Ei gave him or he named himself after his "goal". ​ For starters, Scaramouche is the character worst suited to face Ei, she's his biggest weakness. Unless the gnosis makes a difference, she can take control of him.


veronicastraszh

She could take control of him in the past, but we don't really know what changes the Fatui made when they "unlocked" his power. It seems entirely plausible that she can no longer control him.


Traditional-City6752

Why is she his biggest weakness?


ProcrastinandoAndo

Because she can take control of him just like Shogun. Ei is reluctant to do so since she feels like she owns him something, but if he became a considerable threat to her and Inazuma...i don't think she would let him be.


Traditional-City6752

Ohhh true


Mana_Croissant

She is literally his creator


Traditional-City6752

Yes i know that, but i was just wondering how would she have the upper hand


Mana_Croissant

Why wouldn't She ? First of all She is obviously stronger than Scaramouche and since Scaramouche is his creation she might be able to comment her or at least might now weaknesses or limitations that she can use on top of it


Traditional-City6752

I agree


Traditional-City6752

Yeah ik


Cydanite

I lost the part where he refuses ti hand over the gnosis where/when does that happen? In the manga?


DavinaChicken

Tartaglias leaked voice lines.


SnappyFluffy

are we supposed to see that happen this event. i just remember childe's rerun story was supposed to be him chasing scara based on rumors and leaks but there isnt a new story quest for him yet.


TheOneTheyCallJeff

Its probably just a teaser to a story quest/archon quest thats gonna happen like 3-5 updates from now.


SnappyFluffy

yeah, it's shown in the event today.


Antique-Roll-7463

Is there any source for this? I wanna hear it!!!


Traditional-City6752

I saw it a long time ago


Traditional-City6752

Its a leak


RaidenShogun31

Waiting for the real patch to continue the archon quest. Yes he may challenge Raiden. Waiting for that epic moment.


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NeoSlyde

Nah, stop pulling shit from your ass.


Traditional-City6752

Same i wonder if he will fight


noobuku

He wasnt exactly abandoned and left homeless in that sense. Ei felt pity for him, thus instead of wiping him from existence, she just did erase his memories and then let him live. My own theory is that he maybe is gonna try to regain his memories instead of really trying to take the place as the archon.


Traditional-City6752

Why would he need the gnosis for that?


noobuku

What do we know how the gnosis work lmao We know nothing about them, so a lot of possibilities are open.


Traditional-City6752

True


dasimBaa

It would atleast break the formular of everyone being stupid as rocks to simply give out the gnosis to the universally known bad guys of this world. Venti >!being a baby "god" and can't defend himself from a catalyst user that uses her fist Zhongli >!makes a contract and trades it "so he can live a normal life" And Yae >!gives it away because there was nothing else to further the plot apparently. That made no sense to me why they wrote it like that. She could have just fought him to safe you.


La-Roca99

I do think on Yae's case she wants to see what kind of development we will have towards the whole fatui, before engaging herself into meaningless combat


dasimBaa

Right there is no better way to do that than to give out the literal connection to godhood and symbol of the Archon to someone who is currently threatening and hurting people that you try to figure out. Now she acted like she didn't know what it was, but i don't believe that.


ArchonRevan

There was a non zero chance she dies, she didnt want to take that risk when there was a much easier solution and as she said, the gnosis was useless to them even a hindrance as it would just keep the fatui coming neither her nor ei gave a sht about it nor celestia at that point


dasimBaa

> There was a non zero chance she dies, she didnt want to take that risk when there was a much easier solution and as she said Pretty naive to think that a decision like this makes sense when it's so short sighted. As if they don't have a reason to gather them in order to do what they are already doing to bigger effect.


ogihci2332

Totally agree


noobuku

Yae said that he is too strong for her to challenge. She wasnt able to utilize the power of the gnosis anyway.


dasimBaa

Yea i don't believe that either, >!she literally taught Ei how to create a dimension from her mind into an Object. Her Katana in this case. >!I refuse to believe that a person that's centuries old and taught a literal god how to utilize their power is weaker than scaramouche even if he is a failed Shogun. >!And it also fits that her character is the personality to go the "easy way" so she just tells you she is weaker, she didn't know what it was. >!She was being deceptive from the get go when she tested your abilities just to have you go in facing Ei knowing that you don't have a chance


noobuku

You can‘t really said this like that. Yesnt, the dimension we are get sucked into, could be classified as her consciousness, but the Tachi is built different, literally - which btw. is not a katana, but this just as a fun-fact. The tachi is manifested through the mind *and* spirit of Ei, but the strength is fueled by the wishes and dreams of her companions, literally as the description says. It‘s nothing new anymore that the en version of Genshin is as good as that of a newborn baby, but this one line is correct, and that changes this matter. Many Lore-Geeks already have proven that her Tachi is literally fueled by those wishes. Edit: Just because you teached someone something, doesn‘t that mean you are powerful in terms of combat power, if we take this dimension-creating power as an example. It says nothing about her power at all in a world where also visionless magic and other shit is considered „normal“ and nothing new anymore. The age doesnt really play a role here. He is not a failed shogun… in that sense again. He is the prototype, he is a clone which functions, he is the first one. It might be true that he is not as strong as the original, but stronger than the reborn Kitsune? You can‘t know that. Yes, yae is cunning… but in this case dumb. Kitsune in mythology are known to be cunning and clever, but what Yae did here was plain stupid. She knew what the gnosis was. You can literally read it in Ei‘s story text. Ofc she was deceptive, but she didn‘t want doom for the traveler, what sense would that make to exchange the gnosis for him? But she knew that aether is „special“ to Ei since she did allow him to enter her plane of euthymia, which didn‘t happen to anyone since she locked herself up in there. Yae saw the chance to not defeat her, but to „shake ei‘s will“, as Yae said herself. All of your points don‘t prove anything. You just can‘t know if Yae is really stronger than him or if he is stronger than Yae and vice versa. If once for her life she wasnt lying, and Scara was really stronger than her, then it was maybe the correct decision to give him the gnosis instead of trying to fight a force with a plan in mind which is already risky to begin with. Or maybe this is a part of her bigger plan which we don‘t know yet about. Power scaling in genshin lore is already weird anyway, so just making some baseless assumption wont give you your inner peace at all…. Unless you like it that way, then do as you wish.


dasimBaa

> All of your points don‘t prove anything. In 3 of the above paragraphs, you agree with what i'm saying with "Ofc, and yes, yae is cunning" and 1 you go on ranabouts about the specifics where he "Tachi" gets her power from, which was never in question. And the main reason why i assume she is stronger than scaramouche is cause she survived the times Ei lost her sister and the other catastrophes Inazuma went through. Not necessarily because she fought in the battles, but because she is still alive unlike anyone else Ei knows. All i need to know is booba katana can slice islands apart. >Power scaling in genshin lore is already weird anyway, so just making some baseless assumption wont give you your inner peace at all…. Unless you like it that way, then do as you wish. Makes no sense cause it's very obvious, if venti gets beat by freaking signora bare handed, he is weak as shit for a god. Morax can throw mountains and create islands this way, Ei can literally split those. It's not hard to imagine that someone that lived through centuries with a God is strong enough to defend her Shrine from potential attackers. We'll see more in details in the future but you ought to be blind on purpose to see this character that is a typcial trope, she has the classic "i'm always cunning and scheming and go around fights as much as i can, but when i have to fight i'm broken as fuck" type anime trope.


lordofdread1

how does surviving catastrophes make you strong? You can literally just stay out of all the conflicts and have ei protect you when necessary. Just because they are very old doesn't make them powerful in combat at all. Meanwhile scaramouche is a prototype clone of ei, and has modifications done by the fatui which unlocked his divine powers. Not to mention he is a fatui harbinger. Would yae miko even be able to fight signora?


noobuku

I didn‘t agree with all 3, not even fully with one paragraph. Saying „ofc, and yes, yae is cunning“, doesnt means I agree with anything at all, it just defines her personality, nothing more. It does matter, because creating a blade out of something is not a big feat in Teyvat, but the way how the strength is fueled, is another story. The point was, that it doesnt matter, that Yae teached her that. Its worthless if the weapon bears no strength. The time when she survived all this, yae most likely just learned to walk. In one paragraph you say it‘s very obvious how the power scaling works because he got „beaten“ by signora but in the next you say Morax can throw mountains and create islands. But those are features of him from his old times - since we didn‘t see *ANY* of that in the time of now. So be fair, alright? .... oh, I will do it for you: in the old times Venti used to slice mountains and turn them around, he changed the whole climate of the mondstadt region and terraformed the landscape the way the mondstadt citizen see it as comfortable. Literally, you make no sense. In all of your sayings you say „I refuse to believe“ or „I don‘t believe“, you either now want to make some point with a base or just tell us your opinion. But making *weird* and especially *baseless* assumptions will do no good.


dasimBaa

> In one paragraph you say it‘s very obvious how the power scaling works because he got „beaten“ by signora but in the next you say Morax can throw mountains and create islands. But those are features of him from his old times - since we didn‘t see ANY of that in the time of now. So be fair, alright? Uhm? Are you insinuating that Zhongli couldn't have done that when we met him? >.... oh, I will do it for you: in the old times Venti used to slice mountains and turn them around, he changed the whole climate of the mondstadt region and terraformed the landscape the way the mondstadt citizen see it as comfortable. Okay cool, and his power went dormant because he didn't rule Mondstadt in accord to his compassions = Freedom. That doesn't mean anything. >In all of your sayings you say „I refuse to believe“ or „I don‘t believe“, you either now want to make some point with a base or just tell us your opinion. But making weird and especially baseless assumptions will do no good. That's one strawman way of paraphrasing lmfao


lordofdread1

tbh yae doesnt't seem like the type to be good at fighting honestly


noobuku

Man, I am really done with explaining to you... if you really just want to believe what you want to believe, then just do it from the beginning lmfao


Neospanner

In these characters' defense, we, the readers, do not know what the Gnoses are capable of. Neither Zhongli nor Yae (I don't believe her baloney claim of not knowing what the Gnosis was) are the type to knowingly place their nation in danger (nor Venti, but he had no choice in the matter), and they presumably know the consequences of handing them over. They clearly believe the Tsarista can be handled. Or, perhaps, they don't believe she NEEDS to be handled. Perhaps the threat that she's presenting will be directed elsewhere (at Celestia, or perhaps the Abyss). Or, they could be mistaken. Maybe she IS a threat to their nations, and they've misread the situation. In either case, as readers, we have too little knowledge so far to say for certain whether the choice they made was stupid or not. As things are, though, the characters know a lot more, both about the Tsarista and about the Gnoses, than we do - and yet they made these puzzling choices. There's probably more to it than we realize.


Traditional-City6752

Idk why she would Give it away without trying to fight first


Bruhjojo

We know Yae is quite deceiving and also helped create the prototype puppet. We don't know the full negotiation that occurred between her and Scaramouche when Traveler passed out. She may have just tipped some info to encourage him to just keep the Gnosis and disappear. There's just a lot of things about both of them we don't know.


Traditional-City6752

How is she deceiving? I get that vibe from her too


PulPaul

He's gonna be so dead and probably a future weekly boss if turns out that way. He's like the equivalent of Dvalin and Azhdaha to Ei. The traveller also has his personal reasons to kill him and take back the gnosis that was exchanged for his safety. He's a prototype that needs to be disposed but Ei took pity on him and set him free instead of disposing him so if we follow the pattern of genshin's archon quest writers, Ei has to clean up this mess with the help of the traveller.


Traditional-City6752

Well he doesn’t die in the future from what I hear, but i hope he stays alive


Suzune-chan

I would be interested in this because I want to see how an archon is crowned, from a lore perspective it might be interesting.


Traditional-City6752

Same