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Ragnarok's release date has been pretty widely talked about the past few days since multiple insiders (including Schreier) claimed an announcement was supposed to happen on the 30th. Does anyone know what's provoking this response, specifically? I haven't seen any backlash related to the release date but the post makes it sound like there was a controversy. Schreier speculated that the pushback was due to RvW but I still haven't seen any largely negative sentiment toward Santa Monica (maybe I've been looking the wrong places?)


DougieHockey

A known leaker was hinting that a release date was coming, then when that day hit, JSchrier made a story about how the announcement was “delayed”. So now people are taking their anger on the dev team. Obviously this comes down to these people being pathetic losers (and how Twitter is useless to society). BUT these leakers kind of built up this anticipation and made a story of it.


Turambar87

Clearly the pathetic losers should be sending the leakers the death threats, that'd sort out the whole thing!


Safi_Hasani

people are sending the usual vitriol, death threats, and whatnot to devs (and specifically cory barlog) because of the lack of announcement.


VagrantShadow

That show how horrible these people are when they start sending death threats over rumored news that doesn't come true. It's like seriously, get a life, or learn to have patience. People act so damn spoiled, as though if they don't get things when they want it, they are going to start as much shit as they can. Hell, I am a huge fan of Bethesda, I can't wait for Starfield, but as a gamer that is what I'm going to have to do, wait for the game and the news we get. It's just that easy, I'll just wait it out.


Grammaton485

> People act so damn spoiled, as though if they don't get things when they want it, they are going to start as much shit as they can. The overall problem is that communication nowadays has become so remote, impersonal, and somewhat anonymous that most people are free from any sort of consequence. I'd wager good money that in a public in-person setting with a physical presence, the majority of these types of people would keep their mouth shut. They are only empowered by anonymity and the limited power that can be taken against them. Send someone a death threat? The website you did it on simply bans/suspends your account and you make a new one. Unless you're dumb enough to make it sound credible enough, no one is going to invest the time, money, and effort in trying to track you down and prosecute you. Bear in mind it's not just you doing that, it's multiple people, so now compound that effort and it simply becomes an unreasonable task. And so it keeps on going. Although what I said earlier, I know for certain there are some of these people that would still behave like this in person. Case in point, I went to the midnight release of Halo 3 in kind of a crappy part of town. So picture like 200 caucasian college kids in a pretty dicey area. Fortunately, the GameStop manager knew what he was doing, and had a squad car parked outside. But sure enough, a car pulls into the lot with like 5 guys blaring music. They lean out the window and start driving up and down the line: "'ey, lookit all these little white boys waitin' for their video game". A couple of dumbasses (not losing their place in line) literally swell up and lift their arms up (think come at me bro) and start talking shit back and telling them to step out of the car and say it to their face. The manager stepped out, simply pointed towards the squad car in the lot, and that car pealed out *fast*.


jigeno

Nah it’s been this way a while. Thing is, some people are just shitty and have no idea about the real world or what work is like. They’re entitled and horrible and probably also children.


Cheesesticks1977

I'm part of a generation that when I failed a grade I was automatically held back. About half ways through junior high that changed and the school needed the parent permission to hold them back a grade. I feel like that was the start of when people felt entitled to something that wasn't earned. Luckily my mom is a big ol meanie and she let the school hold me back, twice.


ObscureQuotation

It probably wasn't fun, it probably didn't feel good... But you are right, we are losing the meaning of "resilience". Bad things carry good things too sometimes, we can't deny the experiencial power and growing through adversity


fuckwestimperialism

The degenerates were sending one of the female devs dick pics for not announcing anything about the game.


ObscureQuotation

"They made a game so good that they obviously deserve to be threatened." WTF is this logic


Efficient-Series8443

When is Schreier going to realize he doesn't need to blab about every little thing that crosses his inbox? Literally no one is served by leaking shit like this, it's not even news, the game will release when it releases. It's just adding more stress to developers so he can keep cashing in social media likes for... Nothing?


dicedaman

I was thinking the same thing coming into this thread but now I'm wondering if blaming reporters like Schreier is just dancing around the real problem. I mean if he was writing for the movie industry, he could report on release dates and rumours of delays without it leading to filmmakers getting death threats. If I was in Schreier's position, I'd probably think twice about the kind of pressure and backlash my reporting would cause for developers. But at the end of the day, no reporter should have to feel that kind of personal responsibility for what amounts to pretty mundane industry reporting. There is something seriously fucking wrong with the gaming community, we all know that. But when we start criticising the reporters for reporting, it's like we've all just accepted the insane abuse from certain gamers as a fact of life, and given up on ever changing it. That's bleak.


VarminWay

Really? You think this wouldn't happen if he leaked something about the next big Marvel movie? Some of the most virulent death threats came from a Kardashian mobile game. This myth that 'gamers' are uniquely awful has really overstayed its welcome.


dicedaman

I mean Marvel films get pushed back all the time and I've never heard about Kevin Feige or random crew members/producers receiving death threats or abuse. Marvel actors will of course have suffered the same kind of abuse that plagues anyone of notoriety on social media, and I do agree that there is a wider problem with anonymous abuse and death threats all over the internet. But the gaming community is notable for just how constant and intense these kinds of reactions are, to the point where it's practically accepted now. This kind of toxicity has basically become synonymous with capital "G" gaming culture at this point. I mean I'm a member of a lot of communities and subcultures, from tech to watches to movies, and this is the only community where I'd expect this kind of reaction to mundane release date rumours.


Efficient-Series8443

/shrug, whatever, someone who makes any kind of a living off of "reporting" on hypothetical release dates are just like parasites, they produce nothing of value while making a living off of sucking useless information out of the world, so I don't inherently think that kind of "reporting" adds any value to society.


dicedaman

That's a bit extreme, IMO. I'm a member of a bunch of hobby communities, from movies to smartphones to AV equipment and regularly Google release dates for various things. I don't think there's anything wrong with fans wanting to know release dates for their hobbies, and I don't think there's anything wrong with people reporting on them. But with other communities, these kinds of rumours aren't so emotionally charged. When someone reports that Denon is delaying a new receiver, fans don't send death threats to Denon.


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Jofzar_

Alanah Pearce made a tweet which to me points how bad it must be. I'm sure there is heaps of tweets out there threating Devs/writers. https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/1542291107257520130


Shakzor

The answers under that tweet... as if they're trying to justify that sort of behavior "but you tease us with game!". Do these people have so little to do in their lives?


ShimmyZmizz

From experience, yes. I used to do community management for a Facebook game mostly played by sweet old ladies. Still had horrible trolls who made the community awful by hating on every change we made or didn't make, crafting conspiracy theories about how terrible and lazy our team was, and arguing with other fans who disagreed with them. I'm no psychologist but it became pretty clear that either loneliness or mental illness or both drove most of the trolls in that community, I can't imagine it's that different for any other game.


IISuperSlothII

Her interaction with Cory is fucking gold though.


NinjaTurtleFan2

I e heard people have been sending them dick pics demanding a release date. So a normal Reddit thing to do


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https://twitter.com/estelletigani/status/1542319748171431936


berkayblacksmith

What is RvW?


jolsiphur

Roe v. Wade. The recent decision by the supreme Court to overturn a landmark decision that made reproductive rights available for all Americans.


berkayblacksmith

Oh right does that mean they did that to not distract people from those news?


jolsiphur

It's certainly a possibility. In reality there's no way of knowing why a rumoured announcement didn't happen on the rumoured day it was slated for. Only Santa Monica studios have that information, in this case.


dadvader

Iirc SSM doesn't even know about the delay until the day it was supposed to happen simply didn't happen. I get that RvW is a big issue but the US isn't the only country in the world. This is announcement that will definitely reach the whole world. So I don't think RvW is the cause here. It's more likely they are delaying because they wanted to find the leaker's source first. I'd do the same to find the root honestly.


Dantai

Honestly they can delay the game another whole year - I couldn't care less - I'd rather they make the best thing possible instead of rushing any part of it, cause we already know it'd be worth it


ThisManNeedsMe

I was wondering the same thing. I mean I'm worried about another delay but it's not that serious.


FatedDonnybrook

I would imagine they’re getting ready to announce a delay lol


WD23

Nah, the game is coming this year. Release date was supposed to be announced on the 30th but Sony delayed it due to Roe v. Wade, allegedly.


IrishSpectreN7

Cory responded to a few of the idiots saying that the game *hasn't* been delayed.


DittoDat

Ugh, I know exactly how they feel. I'm a game dev and the toxicity just ruins the enjoyment you should get from teasing and announcing your game.


Routine_Love_5385

What’s the point of threatening a game developer? It serves no purpose tbh and it’s just cringey as fuck.


remeard

Social media clout goblins chase any type of leak they can and rush to get it out like a jackass who replies "FIRST" on a thread. Toxic fanbases take everything they say as gospel and get upset when nothing is comes out of a rumor. ​ At the start of the week some guy that has leaked a few things correctly in the past said there would be news yesterday, that obviously never happened.


Routine_Love_5385

At this point, it’s just gamers who are unappreciative and believe they are are entitled to whatever they say.


Zevvion

>What’s the point of threatening a game developer? You're looking at it the wrong way. Pretend you are a dick and being a dick is just who you are: why wouldn't you threaten a game developer? There is literally no consequence to doing it and you get to be who you are. Punishment for threats on the internet is a super contentious topic, but until we decide it should be punished hard, you can simply expect it to keep happening (and increasing).


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Bobbyanalogpdx

If you did that you would need to ban minors for doing the same thing. Teens aren’t stupid. They would start baiting people into getting fined.


WrathOfTheHydra

It ruins it for everyone else. It's usually some kid who isn't even part of the community throwing darts into it and then bailing and watching their actions wind up as a reddit thread. Then they get to say 'I did that!' and feel proud of themselves. Which is unfortunate since they could instead do something positive and get the same satisfaction, but... C'est la vie.


touchtheclouds

>Which is unfortunate since they could instead do something positive and get the same satisfaction Says who? I think you're missing the point here. Some people only find joy in being miserable. There's no guarantee they find any satisfaction in doing something positive.


WrathOfTheHydra

In my experience (which isn't end-all be-all, but a good amount), I've found that even toxic people can find satisfaction in positive work if given the tools and mindset to accomplish it. If a kid's doing this stuff and finding meaning in people's attention, flipping the script and giving them an opportunity to work on something that will guarantee merit through good action usually works with positive reinforcement. It's almost never "I want to do evil shit", but instead it's "I want people to recognize me and *what I can achieve." Negative reactions are the easiest to achieve. Showing them the fulfillment of getting recognition through legitimate means, and turning that into an achievable challenge is the key. Yes, there are rare cases where they're just evil incarnate, but that is not an apt reason to attribute to most of these instances.


Away_Swimming_5757

Lots of us just flat out enjoy the chaos and there isn’t a positive or redeeming turning point. I’m 32, I’ve been stirring the pot online for over 16 years. Not for recognition or attention, but just because I enjoy seeding chaos, getting under people’s skin and causing distress. It’s super fun and provides me pleasure 🤷🏿‍♂️. Can only speak for myself, but I have to assume there’s millions of others who are bad matured as well when it comes to online stuff.


WrathOfTheHydra

There's so much nature vs. nuture discussion to be had around this it would pingpong for weeks, but it's nice to have another perspective! I used to have some (ex)friends that would flash me their screen with a comment specifically devil's-advocating someone into a fit of rage online. But they all also came from bad households and backgrounds, so while they were pretty set in their ways by that point, I always wondered how they'd approach the world given a different upbringing. Not even necessarily a better one, just a different one.


darkbearx

It’s so demoralizing. You reach a point where you just don’t engage anymore, you are passionately creating something for people to enjoy and then you get intense vitriol no matter what it is. It blows. The best are the communities for your games after all the game releases and those that just hate leave, it’s pleasant to see the fans enjoying it.


skeeveop

You can look at almost any major game sub on reddit to see it. Anytime the company does anything even slightly out of line its immediately called out and dragged through the mud for weeks - even when the changes weren't really that bad. Hell, you can look at this very posts comments for ridiculous claims. Its like if a company isn't perfect and have a 9/10 release every single time they are bombarded with hate. IMO, even if this is a bit unrelated, its the reason companies don't want to take any risks anymore. We've created the environment we claim to hate.


Imbahr

if I was an individual game dev with a studio, why the fuck would I even publically engage with fans? I would have no interest in doing so, and I would just publically ignore all fans and pay no attention to what they say the only exception would be someone who's doing the PR/social media department or like a Community Manager for MMOs. of course that's their job position to do so but if I was a programmer or level designer or audio or artist, etc etc, I would never engage with fans


VagrantShadow

The thing that always gets me are these gamers who have no idea of what goes on in the world of game development, yet they will be the first ones to complain about the game release date or the progress of the game development, going so far as calling the dev's lazy. That irks me to no end. I'm not a developer, I've never had a job in the gaming industry. I am just a simple fan who enjoys this hobby. However, I know work in that field is no easy feat. It's not something you can just take lightly and feel that all will be perfect. There is a lot of sacrifice and stress in the making of these games. I just feel that the biggest complainers we see online, if they were to step in the dev's shoes they would get roasted and couldn't stand up to the pressure. I'm certain a number of these folks in game production, the games they make are passion projects and they put a lot into it.


zippopwnage

I always thought I can do a social manager job pretty easy because I never get affected by the online toxicity. I grew up playing Warcraft, custom games, dota1, HoN, Cs 1.6 and so on. People were so toxic all the time I just have fun now. It's not the same thing, but still. You have to ignore them because you should know they're just idiots with nothing happening in their life. I think creating something, sharing with people who are intetesting about the project is amazing. As a customer when I see developers sharing their progress and problems that they had with the game and how they got passed through that problem...is fun and it makes it look like the devs are passionate about it. Is a shame that these toxic idiots make this harder.


Ruraraid

Either your game is able to keep goin down that road of dreams or the vocal minority of gamers turn into a sinkhole of depression to drag you down to their level.


laser_velociraptor

I really felt bad for Ron Gilbert after the backlash from the new Monkey Island game :(


PositiveFreedom

The fucking YouTube comments were infinitely more positive than Twitter. When you're worse than YouTube comments, you *really* fucked up. I've never played a Monkey Island in my life so no idea what the old art style was but this one looks unique and eye catching. The faces are a little off, that's my only criticism.


GentlemanOctopus

It's definitely okay to have a subjective opinion about the art style, and understandable that some would prefer the pixel graphics they grew up with, but the comments he was getting on his personal blog were way, way below criticism. They just looked like people who were never going to buy the game anyway, piling on to call him names and threaten him if he tried to make the game "leftist" or "diverse" (a hilarious demand for a game *set in the Caribbean*. They'd get a kick out of the Sword Master from the original game too, I bet).


PositiveFreedom

Oh absolutely, I hope my comment wasn't dismissive of that. There's always room to voice displeasure over these things, I don't even think it always needs to be constructive. There's a time and place for it for sure, people just don't seem to get that the time isn't always immediately right now, and the place is not directly at the guy making it. > piling on to call him names and threaten him if he tried to make the game "leftist" or "diverse" What the fuck lol it's an art style in a video game


GentlemanOctopus

Yup, that's why the comments are really fucking weird. And just specifically weird because the cast of the original Monkey Island games is already diverse, with both POC and a female character who keeps saving the dopey male protagonist in essentially every game.


MrCroaker

Youtube comments unironically seem to have gotten better over the last few years. Maybe it’s the younger community leaving for tiktok, maybe it’s the automod catching shit comments, but it’s often chill and funny. Whereas twitter has progressively been getting worse and worse.


KevlaredMudkips

The worst of YT comments will never top Twitters political cesspools.


Imbahr

what makes you think Twitter would be a positive place? Twitter has long been known as a cesspool


Gogators57

I dunno. The people who harassed Gilbert need to get a reality check for sure, but that artstyle really does look bad. It has that Corporate Memphis soullessness. I think this is one of those situations which are pretty common nowadays where you have a genuine problem that reasonable people would notice and criticize a work for, but which has been stigmatized by the unreasonable actions of others such that now many people are understandably treating the problem like it never existed both as a form of damage control and to distance themselves from the undesirables.


GentlemanOctopus

Same thing just happened with Ron Gilbert and the new Monkey Island game. So may people have such a lack of empathy for other human beings.


SparkyPantsMcGee

I’ve had discord members message me and other devs begging and then demanding free Steam Keys. It can be exhausting.


WordPassMyGotFor

It must be hella fucking rough putting so much love and effort into a project only to have some aspect of the game bug these extremely vocal dickwads. Just remember that the rest of us truly appreciate all the passion / dedication that it takes to create what will undoubtedly be someone's favourite thing. ^^^But ^^^also ^^^fuck ^^^you ^^^and ^^^fuck ^^^your ^^^game ^^^/s


Geistbar

I don't get why people are getting more than "Oh, that's too bad. I'm mildly disappointed... OK I moved on already" about the delay in an announcement of the release date. It's so excessively not a big deal that it confuses me. Like, I can get annoyed at stuff as much as the next person. But at least be annoyed about things that matter. And never be a toxic asshat regardless of if it does or does not matter.


touchtheclouds

Some people have literally nothing going for them in their lives. All they have are video games. So they become consumed by it.


baba192

Thank you for your work and sorry for any toxicity you may have ever encountered.


pickledchocolate

Should just announce the game and release it the same day lol


Zanchbot

Imagine sending death threats to hard working game devs from the safety and comfort of mommy's basement. Bunch of losers with no lives and no reason to exist.


Omegastriver

I feel like I’m finally changing. The idea of a big game’s release date use to be so exciting to me. Now, I don’t really care. I really want to play God of War Ragnaroc, but if they announced the release date tomorrow I wouldn’t feel any happier about it. The only way they could get me excited is if it was releasing in the next 3 weeks, any further than that is too far to care about. I’m not trying to rush my life away.


Electrical-Energy896

I still get super excited for big name releases but it’s really not hard to not take it badly when there’s a delay or other snag lol. There’s so much to play these days as is anyways.


NoNefariousness2144

Delays honestly killed how excited I get for new games. Now I just get worried it will be delayed, and then by the time it releases I've lost some hype. I don't trust I am getting a game until its actually in my hands.


Redditortilla

Same, lol. Maybe it's a burnout, but I haven't been hyped about a game's release in a long time. I still enjoy playing games but this feeling of "OMG I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!" just isn't there anymore.


idontlikeflamingos

I feel the same and to me it's because so many games get released unfinished that I just can't bring myself to get excited for a specific day when I know there's a good chance I'll have to wait for patches. And I know Santa Monica is not one of those studios, but I've been burned by "not one of those studios" before so I don't trust any of them now. Looking at you CDPR.


KawkMonger

Add Blizzard, Bethesda, Rockstar, Konami, Dice, Bioware, etc. to the list of “those studios.” I used to get legitimately hyped for games back in the 2000s. I used to pre-order early and excitedly gush about upcoming games. I don’t anymore. It’s not that I’m older and wiser or something. The industry itself took a darker turn. Nothing is sacred, no one can be trusted, and everyone can be perverted by the prospect of a quick money grab that forever taints a decades-old franchise. I wait to see reviews now. I wait for gameplay footage. I wait to see good word of mouth. I don’t want things to be this way, but I quite literally don’t trust any company not to fall prey to short-termism, mismanagement and extreme greed. Usually the seeds of decline are sown over years, but from an outsider’s perspective the change can be shockingly fast. So many titans of this industry are just rotting husks of what they once were, and from the public’s perspective the decline is usually sudden and irreversible. If you had told anyone in early 2019 what would become of CDPR, or anyone in 2016 what would become of Blizzard, very few would have believed it.


ShambolicPaul

Same here. I'm not paying £70 for anything. So I don't care when it's released. I'll buy it after a few months of patches and a nice discount.


goldeneye0080

I've been through this cycle too many times to count, and I've released that the publishers do it on purpose. I don't really follow the development of big games anymore like I did many years ago, it's better to simply acknowledge the games existence when the first trailer comes out, but to never let it be at the forefront of my mind. Anticipating a game is too draining, especially when you have to deal with the disappointment of every delay.


Timmar92

Same, ever since my wife and I got our daughter I've only really played games where I can pause and forget about for a while, sure I play the big ones ever so often but games like stellaris, crusader kings or rimworld have been my go to.


jerrrrremy

It's probably because the vast majority of AAA games that publishers try to hype up in advance turn out to be shit anyway.


DougieHockey

A known leaker was hinting that a release date was coming, then when that day hit, JSchrier made a story about how the announcement was “delayed”. So now people are taking their anger on the dev team. Obviously this comes down to these people being pathetic losers (and how Twitter is useless to society). BUT these leakers kind of built up this anticipation and made a story of it.


BananaPerfect8866

Shit like this makes me so embarrassed to be a "gamer" Hogwarts Legacy is basically the only game I'm looking forward to and if it got delayed again I'd be upset but then I'd just go about my day like normal. It's a fucking video game people, we've got so much more shit going on in the world to worry about other than a release date for a fucking game.


ShoutHouse

Ah yes, this ought to stop the sort of person who sends dick picks. Surely responding and giving them the attention they seek will curb this behavior.


sgloux3470

“Don’t feed the trolls” is a forgotten art


Titan7771

When the trolls are sexually harassing developers, I think there needs to be a response.


Sketch13

People have also forgotten what trolling is. Trolling is intentionally being obtuse or provoking to create arguments and to rile people up, which is why "don't feed the trolls" means don't engage, cause they WANT to argue with you in bad faith. It is VERY different from straight up harrassment. This shit is harrassment, not trolling.


Abelian75

Yeah been biting my tongue reading these comments but seeing this post from these devs along with another similar one of the front page here is just making me shake my head. I feel like the game industry is normalizing this kind of attention-giving too much. I get that it's well intentioned and obviously what they are saying is factually correct, but it's like trying to tell a bully that they're hurting you and hoping they'll be like "oh shit, sorry man" rather than delight in the knowledge that they got to you. I just have this gut feeling that all these dev statements and articles attempting to scold these assholes is just creating and luring in more assholes. I cannot imagine a single person who would do stuff like this would feel in any way hurt or dissuaded by statements like this, it's a reward to them! And it teaches people watching that they, too, can unleash their inner asshole in the game industry, if they are so assholicly-inclined, and they'll likely be able to get a response. I should note that I don't, in general, subscribe to the "the best response to a bully is to ignore them" line. The best response is to hurt them back. But that's not an option here, and ignoring is certainly better than giving them what they want by asking for sympathy.


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touchtheclouds

Ahhh yes, naming @gamernachos69420 is really going to hurt them These people need to just be banned for threats and harassment


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The sad part is that even on Facebook, that doesn’t stop people with their real names out there from being cruel. So yeah, having a moderator on board to remove nasty comments that contribute absolutely nothing to a discussion is a good idea. Most social media sites have bots do moderating with a less than stellar track record.


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XXX200o

First step to improve any situation is "be better yourself". If you can't behave like a normal human beeing, how can you expect this from other people around you?


Titan7771

I don’t think ignoring them is really an option.


rct2guy

Right, this “announcement” tells me that the recent uptick in vitriol crossed a line for them, and they felt like they had to address it. I’m sure they get toxic hate all the time, and they try hard to stay above it by ignoring it. Seems like it’s really taking its toll now.


Titan7771

I think the deciding factor was unsolicited dick pics sent to female developers. Absolutely unacceptable behavior, frankly.


_Robbie

I always get a kick out of statements like this because it's like, what is the alternative? "Our entire team is attempting to make a product which will do well enough to break even and hopefully impress at least some of you, but our expectations and goals aren't much higher than that!" Players consistently win when devs take the time that they need rather than rushing something out the door. It's a shame they need to make statements like this at all to appease the people who get crazy about it.


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zippopwnage

I don't care if is releasing this year or the next one or whatever. All I need is more enemy variety and more boss fights that are not just an elite enemy. For me valkyries were really boring and nothing special. I love when the boss fights are big and have intetesting cutscene or scripted moments to them. I mean I really loved the fight with Baldur, but as I said it had some scripted moments to it and it was awesome. I loved God of War and when I got my hands on it, I played it for around 6-7 hours without stopping. I was pretty sad when I finished the game had such a low number of boss fights.


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The boss fights do take a huge amount of time to make, iirc the dragon like took two years to do, I really hope they figured out some way to do them quicker cause they are the most memorable part of the game by far


zippopwnage

I know it takes a lot of work. But this doesn't change the fact that as a final product it was lacking into that department...


NoNefariousness2144

I am guessing we will get >!Thor and Odin!< and maybe >!Freya if she can cause violence again and maybe Tyr!<. The last game had 3 big bosses, hopefully we get over 5 with this one.


Halucinogenije

I hate everything about this actually, from people who make "leaks" that there will be an *announcement of the release date,* to angry idiot trolls who send death threats, and news outlets that are reporting every day on this so they could get more clicks and ad revenue.


strunggle

Obviously it is extremely weird and disgusting for so-called fans to try to harass their way into getting a release date. But I do think the way publishers try to build and manage hype creates fertile ground for such toxicity, and the way that *everything* including release dates is turned into a marketing strategy doesn't help


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Xelanders

Ron Gilbert was getting a ton of really disgusting comments on his personal blog site, it’s not just Twitter.


giorgiomoroder

Your reasoning is the real problem. This misinformed ‘two sides to the story rationalism’ is precisely what validates, and fuels, toxicity and abuse.


strunggle

1. No it doesn't 2. My suggestion is that the multi billion dollar corporations have some responsibility for the creation of the culture of gaming.


giorgiomoroder

“Big mean corporation made me do nasty things”. Stop externalizing and take responsibility for your actions — whether a company promises a certain release date for a game has no part in that.


strunggle

What exactly have I done?


touchtheclouds

Victim blaming. Nice


strunggle

Yeah Sony Interactive Entertainment is the real victim here. You realize none of the people getting harassed have any control over the marketing strategy and the way hype cycles are managed?


FootballRacing38

How the fuck are people entitled to the marketing strategy of companies? Do these people pay sony a fee to market the product to their liking?


strunggle

I have literally no idea what you are trying to say or accusing me of, this is incoherent. But again: absolutely none of the people involved with the marketing/hype cycle/preview process of games has to deal with the toxicity that is a seemingly inevitable part of it.


FootballRacing38

I'm saying so what if marketing was not up to public's liking? People are not entitled to harass them just because of marketing when comoanies have no obligation in terms of marketing


strunggle

Obviously people doing harassment are shitheads, we all know that, we all agree to that, I wish the bad things in life to happen to them. But this is something that *keeps happening* and I say that stopping it will require a somewhat deeper change in how video games are marketed. I am obviously not saying that if only they put out a preview video this would all be fixed, I'm saying the whole process of hype cycles breeds toxicity.


touchtheclouds

You're still blaming the victim. The blame goes towards the people sending death threats. That's it. Marketing cycles are irrelevant.


Abelian75

I don't think I actually agree with strunggle's point here (I think the problem is deeper than the game industry and more to do with the internet's structure not being a great match for humanity in some ways). But that said, I think it's worth rethinking equating "blaming the victim" with "the victim has some power to change the situation". Obviously the actual moral blame in this situation and others lies with the perpetrator. But I think overreach of "victim blaming" accusations can often mean cutting off ways of exploring how the victim can perhaps have the power to change the situation. You can believe A) it's entirely the perps fault, B) the victim shouldn't have to change their behavior just because of some asshole, and that C) the best course of action is still to change their behavior because that's the only thing they can control.


dandantian5

Yet of all the forms of entertainment we have, the gaming community seems truly uniquely terrible in this regard. I don't hear stories of this kind of toxicity being directed towards film directors or authors (granted, not personally all that experienced in the literature space) nearly as often as I do game creators on what feels like an almost regular basis.


Imbahr

plenty of people have been harping for years to the author of Game of Thrones for a release date


thelonesomeguy

If you think that is comparable to what people did here, I got news for you


strunggle

Yes, and a lot of that has to do with how video game marketing cycles work.


dandantian5

Don't necessarily buy that argument. Something like the Marvel machine, for example, follows a similar marketing strategy, and while they don't have as many delays as games I have yet to hear of people kicking up a stink over such things.


NotAnIBanker

Obviously anyone harassing over a release date is awful, but this message is a little rich coming from a team who clearly lied about a 2021 release date to sell consoles.


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Titan7771

Games get delayed, what the hell is your deal?


lelieldirac

“Please respect us” Coolest, smartest dude who ever lived: “Ha… that’s a little rich!”


Megaguildy

This just in: games get delayed


GentlemanOctopus

"And then we'll lie about a release date so that people buy our console and get extremely mad at us," said nobody, quietly.


Impaled_

Bro the actor for Kratos literally had to get his hips replaced, that's why they delayed it


merkwerk

My dude, PS5s are still selling out as fast as they hit shelves lmao. Are you delusional or something?


Jamesahaha

Not defending him but the game is also coming to PS4


Likezoinks305

Call me crazy but they should take all the time they need People on the ps subs overhype the shit out of GOW 2018 when in reality it’s a dissatisfying but passable game. Literally like only 3 enemy designs that are recolored, only 4 bosses with first and last one being the same boss but with different patterns , and the environments are mostly white snowy or caves. Biggest disappointment for me. Hopefully they deliver on the content with this one


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r4in

Do they mean Ragnarok or new IP?


planelander

Its that rumores star wars game right?


Dragnoran

Def a game where I want them to take as much time as they need for polish and content, it's much appreciate, Thank you Devs


lovepuppy31

That's some big shoes to fill from the first gow 2018 game. If they dont meet and exceed that benchmark theres gonna be hell to pay


Scooter411

I don’t know if this was supposed to be a joke, but this is where it starts. Please don’t take it as a personal insult if you don’t end up liking the game. You can say you don’t like it, and you won’t play any of there future games - but giving them “hell to pay” is not an appropriate response in a situation like this.


lovepuppy31

Forgive me if there an impression that I personally gonna go on some social media tantrum of Ragnorak turns out to be subpar but what I meant to say in general there's gonna hell to pay with the general rabid fanboy audience.


Scooter411

Sorry, I read it as a threat and not a prediction of the fanbase. Thanks for clearing it up though!


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it's just a video game, get some help. I liked the first one a lot too, but holy balls no there won't be "hell to pay". Get over yourself.


Tincruures

Game had still lot alot of room for improvement and was a bit overrated.. The enemy variety was God awful fighting the same monster over and over and over again the entire game it's so far that many bosses are just trolls in different colors. Gameplay overall gets very repetitive. Bosses overall where also subpar you fight Baldur that is basically just a humanoid 3 times the only fight that I really remember was the dragon on mountains peak the rest was really forgettable and for a game famous for big amazing boss fights? Not that impressive. The father/son story also felt forced and we have seen very often the last years. I had and still have way more fun with gow 2 and 3


touchtheclouds

Millions of people disagree with you and that's ok. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's overrated. That's not how that concept works.


MrTroon

Woah, you talked with millions of people?? Wait a second, you're just pulling shit out of your ass lol. Game has plenty wrong with it.