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SigmundFreud4200

Proper romeo and juliet type ordeal


propita106

I have little doubt the family had the dentist swapped dental records. The whole situation smells shady as hell. And there were far too many bodies found in places suggested by the family. Have they been covering up other incidents?


tinybeast44

I do not believe for a minute that any dentist would jeopardize his/her career in trying to defend Brian Laundrie. Also - you stated, "And there were far too many bodies found in places suggested by the family. Have they been covering up other incidents?" What the? According to CNN, at least 4 other bodies were found (in the Rocky Mountains of America) due to the efforts of the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, when they were digging around in the areas that Gabby Petito's remains were found. So no - the Laudrie's had nothing to do with the other bodies being found. I don't like the Laundrie family either, and I do believe Brian killed Gabby, but please don't screw up a serious subreddit with ridiculous allegations that are not based on anything but your misinterpretation of legitimate news sources. Thanks.


ms80301

Didnt the books he read mostly end just this way?


GirlWhoChasedGealach

Yeah, I remember back in the beginning something was said like that. I can't remember where I saw it, though. You could probably just Google it and find an article or something about it. I wish I could remember the name of the book they brought up in a video of him reading it, or at least had in his hands.


ms80301

Chuck P...wrote the fight club and several others they liked -lullaby and...'Choke'


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Wonder how some of the people that were calling for his head day one are going to feel if his death is ruled a homicide.


TheTacoBear

I mean I think we are all mad he unalived himself but also happy he cant do this to someone else. Literally none of us feel bad for anyone except Gabby.


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His autopsy was inconclusive, his death could still be ruled a homicide. Anyone with empathy feels bad anytime people die.


Randomuser12673

I have tons of empathy and don’t feel bad that Brian is dead


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I’d argue that you don’t then.


Randomuser12673

Argue away


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Any loss of human life is tragic. Especially one where there’s no apparent COD. You say you have no empathy now but I bet that’d change if it’s discovered brian didn’t kill Gaby. Real empathy isn’t conditional, yours clearly is.


Randomuser12673

Any loss of human life is certainly not tragic, take hitler for example not tragic he died. Ted bundy again not tragic he was executed.


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forgotmapasswrd86

Lmao why would it be a homicide? Homie came back home while Gabby was missing. Neither him or his shit parents would cooperate with the police. He either tried to live out in the woods or he offed himself.


FourThirtyTwoHz

One news story from a TV station reported that although C&R went to the park at 7:15am, the park had actually reopened to the public the day before. That’s the only place I heard that, so I don’t know the validity. If that’s true though, they could have had someone plant those items, but it doesn’t explain the human remains. As someone else has already mentioned, I too find it odd that Brian would take a large, bulky wet bag that doesn’t look like it would even fit in his backpack, with no carrying handles. However, if someone were to plant some of his things, it would be the only way to ensure that LE knew they were Brian’s, and to explain why the items hadn’t been destroyed by the environment. There’s also the possibility that he brought it along for just this scenario, to throw LE off his tail when they were getting too close. Maybe he saw the human remains, and decided to leave his stuff near them, thinking the remains were too far gone for them to get any DNA.


Alyowl

They confirmed via dental records that it was Brian.


FourThirtyTwoHz

Yes, I see that now. I just hope it was a neutral third party who did the confirmation, and not amy of the Laundries LE connections.


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msalan03

When someone breaks you down and isolates you the way he was doing to her you become the hysterical one who blames them self for everything. His calmness was telling, he had the control. Reactive abuse can happen if you spend enough time in an abusive dynamic. He’s the one who likely strangled her to death and you’re diminishing this to a both sides thing.If you think killing your partner is a matter of snapping then seek help.


logmichael94

Obviously when I say snapping I meant do physical harm . man like seriously why in fuck would I say oh snapping is when one person kills another wtf


logmichael94

That very well could be idk but I have been in a abusive dynamic where she’d be so mean behind closed doors but act as a victim in front of people all while I’m constantly trying to deescalate situation she’d do. as someone that has a personal experience with someone that would manipulate and isolate from friends and family while also mentally, emotionally, and physically abusing me. And then lie put a victim act on saying I don’t care about them because I wanted to go see family or friends a weekend a month. I can see that too is all I’m saying like IVE BEEN IN IT. As someone that has been called the worse thing to ever happen to them by a partner and that partner then trying to hit you for trying to leave and break up with them it’s not fun and this could be a result of a situation like that


AdvancePutrid3977

Bro are you for real? He literally strangled her to death and you feel bad for HIM? Unbelievable


logmichael94

I don’t feel bad for him I think he got what he deserves there is no excuse for that.


baleycohen

Well slow down, have they proven that he did it? I'm trying to understand whats happening here. Police have matched his dental records so apparently they have this guy's head but nothing else? They said they only have one small portion of the body. Who the fuck killed him if what they're saying is true?


Ojibun

Uh, suicide is a thing??? Who says he was killed? Its clear he killed her. He came back without her and he just stays quiet and lawyers up without ever mentioning anything about her???


baleycohen

Plus the parents definitely abetted his escape. Orcourse he killed her. But the circumstances of his death are indeterminable. MAYBE he killed himself, but why the fuck would he do that if he was running away and receiving help from his parents. Who are still covering for him by potentially planting evidence.


Ojibun

There's just so much running one can do. What if, in a moment of realization, he knew this wouldn't last long. That if he were to be caught, his parents would also face charges, and he didn't want them to. If that dude was even capable of thinking about anyone but himself, that is. Or what if he was desperate and just saw suicide as the only way out, instead of maning up and facing the consequences of his actions? It seems very plausible, people like him have done it before.


baleycohen

You're probably right, it just doesn't sit right with me. ESPECIALLY If they only found a tooth.


Ojibun

I dont blame you, it also doesnt sit well with me. But if his body was eaten by gators or other animals, specially with the conditions in the area, i wouldnt be surprised thats all that is left of him. Well, one single tooth... Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but anyone could break their own tooth off and leave it there. I believe they found more. Im honestly incredibly disappointed with this whole outcome. The way his parents acted. Ugh.


Sweatsock_Pimp

Did they actually find the skull? Or just teeth?


baleycohen

If it's just teeth, then they have absolutely nothing. Amd they shouldn't be claiming they found remains.


Sweatsock_Pimp

I agree. I haven’t heard or seen anything about what they actually found.


cooleyedbabe40

So many people posting their questions about BL's behavior: Why he did this, why he did that? Understand that no one will ever know for sure why. It's impossible for one to delve inside the mind of another, even if the other is standing in front of you telling you what's in/on their mind. Even the most expert psychiatrist/psychologist can only conjecture why BL did what he did.


logmichael94

This is a good point! We don’t know what lead up to this either. Obviously IPV had been happening for a while and building up to this. It’d would of been interesting to be a fly on the wall. Was he just this monster? Were they both toxic to each other and he snapped and killed her? There are so many questions.


Silver-Key-2167

Did anyone see the footage of Chris and a Roberta searching? Roberta walks into the distance and Chris walks straight to the belongings and finds them. This tiktok is the only place I’ve been able to find the (clip at the very end) [Chris and Roberta searching ](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8Sds2Jg/)


1866GETSONA

“Chris and Roberta planting” Fixed that for you


curiousiberiantiger

it's not him


JustGameplayUK

how do you know?


SolarSystem420

They don’t


Potential_Dealer710

So no one finds it weird that the dad, on the first day the park was open to the public. Just happened to stumble upon the dry bag of his son. When no police presence or anybody was around. Then decided to pick it up and walk it to authorities???? All within a short walk of the trail and entrance to the park????? Suspicious much, dude def running around still.


jmvk2018

I'm most curious on who was the one filming them? LE?


saranowitz

All it would indicate is that they knew where he would be hiding and chose not to share that info prior. I’m guessing their lawyer was aware of this as well and advised them to “search and find” the items instead of reporting in to the FBI so they couldn’t be charged as accessories for withholding critical information. If Brian is dead the case will die with him and this is the cleanest way for them to avoid charges as well and retrieve his remains, even if it’s obvious to everyone that they had insider info. It won’t be pursued further.


JustGameplayUK

they found human remains in the same area. you think the parents planted human body parts also? pretty sure it's him. suicide or killed by an alligator while trying to hide.


Mean_Translator7628

Agree. This is so weird. Not convinced yet they are his remains till the DNA comes back. I feel like Either the FBI are incredibly incompetent or this was no coincidence.


marymoonu

Some of these questions are mind-boggling: Why was the area wet and now it’s dry? Would would he take a dry bag? Etc… I’m wondering if you all have really never ventured outside?? I don’t even go to an amusement park without putting my important items in a ziplock bag to keep them dry. Now imagine you’re on the run out in the wilderness in a swamp…


Mean_Translator7628

The photos of the bag found are a dyneema waterproof roll too bag bought at Zpacks etc…that ultralight backpackers use to keep sleeping bags and personal items dry. If it was in that bag the notebook will be dry.


real_agent_99

The bag had a tear in it


Mean_Translator7628

Awe that’s too bad but backpackers usually have 1 for sleeping bags and clothes, 1 for food, and 1 for personal items so there is still hope!


60ROUNDDRUM

Why worry about how his dad found that bag in an instant when you can worry about whether or not people go to wet areas with things to protect items that can’t get wet.


Superb_Display

Now there’s an eerily similar case to Gabby Petito’s. Emily Ferlazzo, 22, was murdered and dismembered by her husband inside of their camper van. Check it out on r/EmilyFerlazzoRIP


internsearcher25

What about Jelani day? He's been dead for so long and we dont even know how he died. Justice for black people too.


mangogranola

Link to the sub or share other links regarding that case if you want to spread awareness


WilberLogic85

Justice for every race man! Why are you trying to bring up race ?


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justac1imber

I’m sure this comment will be well received and overall liked 👍🏻


Mummyratcliffe

What was the comment? Some very strange people chiming in on this thread…


justac1imber

He said something to the tune of “now you guys can get on with your life instead of wasting your time on this” Just rude and condescending for no reason


Mummyratcliffe

Aaah thanks, if you have no interest in this case, why bother commenting… strange. I’ve been dealing with an odd one who seems to think Gabby is to blame for her own Murder 🤷🏻‍♀️


justac1imber

“Never argue with stupid people, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience” - Mark Twain Feel like that applies


Mummyratcliffe

Yeah that’s a good one, unfortunately that one particular idiot got under my skin and I gave them more time and words than they deserved. Lesson remembered and learned. Thanks :)


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justac1imber

Homie this is the first time I’ve posted on this subreddit first off. Second, news is entertainment so let the people be entertained. I’m flattered you care so much about the entertainment of the me and the people on this subreddit, but we could not give any less of a fuck about you. Keep your opinions to yourself bro, they aren’t a good look.


Mummyratcliffe

You seem overly bothered by people’s interest in this case. Take a break sweetie, scroll on by if it doesn’t interest or worse, bothers you. Have a lovely rest of your day :)


macbookwater

I’m not bothered at all, just pointing out how utterly bizarre you all are for having such a rabid and morbid fascination with this case. People die like this everyday. You all are just stroking your mysterious crime fetish by getting so infatuated with this case. I promise you this subreddit hasn’t helped with this case AT ALL, it’s just a place where you all can play detective and jerk off your crime fetish infested egos


justac1imber

Says “I’m not bothered” then proceeds to get bothered. Are you sad we care more about this poor girl than you? No one is claiming to help either it’s called interest. True crime is a hobby. Maybe you should find new one, making yourself look stupid on reddit can’t be that fun.


macbookwater

Lmao okay guy keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better


justac1imber

I’m not the one who needs to feel better bro, you the one with anger issues or something. Maybe try a therapist and not strangers on the internet, maybe they can help work through it.


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Reasonable_Neck_6169

How much do you have to be removed from reality to be able to make such a comment? You’re in a sad situation.


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Mummyratcliffe

She had visible marks on her face and shoulder/arms. She minimised what he did to her, as did he. So what even if she was the primary aggressor??? (Which I don’t believe) She didn’t deserve to be strangled to death, left in the middle of nowhere, while he goes home, steals her van and credit card and goes on the run. You’re either a troll or an incel, either way I’m done talking with a delusional victim blamer. Go find a nice rock to crawl under.


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Improper use of the term incel. It's not a blanket insult. I also take issue with people who say they \*believe\* something in a situation like this. There is no belief. If you want to say something like that, you should say X evidence suggests Y. Remove personal biases.


Mummyratcliffe

You have the right to take issue all you want, the same as I have a right to a belief, a belief doesn’t need evidence to back it up, if it did religion wouldn’t exist! I don’t need to remove personal biases as I’m not writing an evidentiary statement, I’m discussing my opinion in a public forum, it’s simply that, my opinion. But just for the sake of placating you to some degree I don’t believe Gabby was the primary aggressor due to the following evidence: The 911 caller claimed to see the male slapping the female. evidence suggests DV victims will often take the blame to avoid getting their abuser into trouble. They will often minimise what happened to them as Gabby did. The abuser will belittle/demean the victim and their abilities, e.g. her saying she’s trying to start a blog and he tells her he doesn’t believe in her ability to do it. This is all well documented classic signs of a victim of DV. Did she hit and scratch BL? Yes I believe she did as she says she did, is this acceptable or ok? No, it isn’t. But it doesn’t mean she was the primary aggressor on that day. Regardless of what the situation was, a young woman was strangled to death and left in the middle of nowhere, while BL took her van, phone and credit card and ran back home. There is no excuse or reasoning for that level of depravity. Oh, and my comment was taken over to a woman hating/blaming sub by the person I was having the debate with because their comments were downvoted and deleted from here so they wanted other like minded people to come to their aid and attack me, so incel wasn’t far wrong in my opinion.


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> belief doesn’t need evidence to back it up, if it did religion wouldn’t exist! You're talking about a crime investigation, not your spirituality. There is no room for belief in a crime investigation. I don't require placation, the issue was stating a belief as evidence or a fact. In regards to hate subreddits, filter out the stupidity and see if they are saying anything relevant and if not, ignore it. Are you the kind of person who lets the opinions of other's bother you?


Mummyratcliffe

You’re right, there’s no room for belief in a crime investigation, if I was involved in the investigation. I’m simply giving my opinion in a public forum and I can say, think or believe whatever I want, I don’t need evidence for an opinion. It’s an opinion but the reasons I have stated above are some evidence that led me to believe what I do. Ive never stated my belief as fact, that’s why I clearly call it a belief. I agree fully with you in regards to filtering out the stupidity, responding to anything relevant and ignoring it if not. I unfortunately didn’t do that and gave more time and words than was necessary, lesson learned. I’m definitely the kind of person who lets the opinions of people I care about bother me. Other than that no. I’m happy for strangers to think what they like about me. I don’t like having my own words and the way they were meant twisted to be used against me though.


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I can appreciate that distinction. I fault my own perception and interpretation for hearing it being declared as fact. This case has been pretty wild.


Mummyratcliffe

Definitely a wild ride! I apologise for being a little defensive. After the last couple of days in the PPD sub, I feel like I’m waiting for the next attack lol.


antifeminist3

No, the police cam video before they both died showed he had bruises and cuts on his face and she did not. She also admitted on the video to perpetrating domestic violence against him by assaulting him.


Mummyratcliffe

Did you only watch part of the bodycam? It’s clearly seen and stated by an officer that she also had marks on her. He also on video admitted to perpetrating DV on her by grabbing her face.


antifeminist3

>So hitting, and cutting someone's face is not violence, but grabbing someone's face is violence? I think you are biased.


Mummyratcliffe

I didn’t say she wasn’t violent towards him, I said he also perpetrated violence on her too. Violence is violence, there’s no right violence and wrong violence. It’s all wrong!


antifeminist3

You ignored the more severe violence perpetrated by her, and you are misconflating 'grabbing' with violence, (grabbing is not violence), you are biased.


Mummyratcliffe

I didn’t ignore any violence. She admits to slapping him. 911 callers witnessed him slapping her. Grabbing somebody’s face so hard you leave cuts and marks where your nails dug into their face isn’t violence? I’d love to know if that would be your reaction if someone did that to your son or daughter! And I’m biased? Ok…. I’d advise you to do a quick google search on if grabbing someone’s face is violence and you’ll see for yourself it’s assault and battery. And just so you can see your delusion for yourself, L.I against domestic violence defines domestic violence as: Forms of Abuse Physical Abuse Punching or kicking walls Hitting Hair-pulling Being forceful Using weapons Pushing someone out of a car Punching Slapping Grabbing Blocking a doorway Choking Driving in a scary/unsafe way Kicking Pushing Throwing things Getting in someone’s face Punching Shoving Breaking things Physically restraining someone Burning Pinching Being intimidating


NaughtyFred

None of that applies if she's the aggressor. It's self defence.


ImaybeaRussianBot

Yea, he is the victim. Check.


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fattrying

>So what even if she was the primary aggressor??? You actually said this.........


Mummyratcliffe

Followed by “which I don’t believe she was” but even if she was, she was still the VICTIM of murder in one of the most sickest, longest, inexcusable ways imaginable. That will be all… go find a wall to bang your head against as you won’t find many reasonable human beings here who agree with your messed up way of thinking 👋


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Mummyratcliffe

I’m trying to justify violence until it ends in death? That’s not my intention at all. I replied to a post saying BL was the victim of DV not Gabby and disagreed. I clearly state Gabby was inconsolable, took the blame (common in DV situations) admitted to slapping him but minimised his assault on her (also common in DV) The police in Moab branded her the primary aggressor, so some people are now accusing her of provoking him and he acted in self defence! I simply said even if, on that day, she was the primary aggressor, which I don’t think she was, nothing justifies her being brutally murdered and left in the middle of nowhere. I don’t get how that kind of thinking gets people killed, but I certainly didn’t intend to offend or justify DV escalating into murder. I believe the police in Moab should (in hindsight) have spotted the classic signs of DV and a different outcome may have happened. I think there will be a lot to learn from this tragedy and I’m willing to be someone who learns from it too.


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Mummyratcliffe

Gabby also had marks on her own face, was inconsolable, blamed herself (common in DV victims) admitted to hitting him whilst he minimised what he did to her. Also the 911 caller clearly claimed to have seen BL slapping Gabby. What a sad, sad comment to make….


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Mummyratcliffe

Look up how DV victims behave, how they’re conditioned, and how they believe they’re to blame.


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Mummyratcliffe

Do some research on how many victims of DV behave exactly the same way Gabby did in the bodycam. Was he protecting himself when he spent upwards of 5 MINUTES strangling her to death?! GTFOH


fattrying

"Where did he hit you?" the officer replied. "Don't worry, just be honest." ​ "Well he like, grabbed me with his nail, and I guess that's why it looks, I definitely have a cut right here," she said, rubbing her cheek. "I can feel it, when I touch it it burns."


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Tacotonic

Yep. I just made a comment elsewhere, it’s super common for abuse victims to blame themselves - especially if they ever physically react to abuse. We don’t know exactly what went on in their relationship, but we do know things about how abusive relationships work and how victims tend to respond. Their case unfortunately fits a common pattern. It seems wild to me that the idea that it’s mutual or was somehow justifiable is still floating around after the news came out that the cause of death was strangulation.


Mummyratcliffe

I’m right with you! Whether it was a mutually abusive relationship or she was a victim of DV and reacted (which I lean towards) she never deserved what happened to her. I think this person is just a troll, or so detached from the real world there’s no point engaging with them.


Tacotonic

My understanding is that mutually abusive relationships are not really considered to be particularly common and if they do exist, it’s not equal in magnitude. It’s another way for the victim to believe they hold responsibility for abuse - sometimes law enforcement can even reinforce this belief by arresting all parties at a DV call because they (understandably) often can’t get a grasp on the situation in a short period of time especially if both parties are injured. It may have been a rare mutually abusive situation, but strangulation is considered one of the most severe forms of DV and I would wager it probably wasn’t the first time she was strangled by him. Unfortunately non-lethal strangulation isn’t as easy to spot as looking for bruising on the throat. I’m hoping it’s a troll, but I also know there are definitely people out there who want to believe that version of events. Definitely not people I would like to be around in the real world. Edit: wrote uncommon instead of common 😂 Edit: and can instead of can’t!


mrwellfed

>sometimes law enforcement can even reinforce this belief by arresting all parties at a DV call because they (understandably) often can get a grasp on the situation in a short period of time especially if both parties are injured. Completely disagree


Tacotonic

Well, you’ve certainly made a compelling argument there. Totally changed my mind. Edit: I realize maybe you disagree because I realize I typed can instead of can’t. 😂 early morning writing pre coffee generates typos. Apologies if that’s the case.


mrwellfed

That is the case…


Mummyratcliffe

I couldn’t agree more, was just playing devils advocate and looking at both potential situations. But people have spotted bruising around Gabbys neck, shoulders etc on other videos. Could be just from the adventures she traveled or much worse. But yes I fully agree, strangulation is definitely one of the most severe forms of murder by a DV partner and it very, very rarely is a one off, it’s usually preceded by many red flags before this :( I’m not giving this person any more words or time, they’re entitled to their delusions. Same as you, not someone I’d like to have the unfortunate displeasure of knowing in the real world.


Tacotonic

Fully agreed, especially after seeing that comment questioning that she’s a victim. Even if she was an abuser (which I don’t believe), she’s definitively a victim as well. Definitely a troll or someone who has a horrific world view.


Anticrepuscular_Ray

He had 3 inches and 40-50 lbs on her


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This and also LE identified out loud in the body cam footage that she had marks on her as well.


fattrying

These were explained by Brian pushing her away when she shoved him against the van. She admitted hitting and scratching him.


chocolatekitkat14

Scratching is almost always defensive


Mummyratcliffe

Thank you!! The guy was taking HER phone and HER van and trying to abandon her in the middle of nowhere. The poor girl who admitted to ocd an anxiety must have been terrified and in my opinion this was probably another of BLs tactics to have control over Gabby. Then the poor girl looked like the aggressor for trying to scramble into the van, and him becoming “hurt” in the altercation. She admitted to him grabbing her face and the 911 caller claimed seeing her being slapped. How Gabby is being blamed for this is abhorrent IMO.


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shanefalco__16

Animals didn't even need to get to him, after more than a month the body would be nearly liquified with likely just bones remaining


Anticrepuscular_Ray

Partial human remains means body parts, probably mostly bone if he'd been out there for nearly a month.


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Beautiful_Pea_7134

Where the fuck would they get a partial human carcass?


Anticrepuscular_Ray

Yeah cause everyone's got a human carcass sitting around to use as decoy.


Mummyratcliffe

Not a funny topic at all, but this caused a small giggle in a time of sadness. I hope there’s some closure and answers still for Gabbys family and everyone who cares ❤️


cosmicpu55y

Wait... you don’t keep decoy carcasses?


Ash_Alden

How did Dog The Brian Hunter miss this?!?


OverwhelmedDolphin

too busy thinking of other racial slurs he can spout


whereyouatdesmondo

My favorite thing was when he found a soda can on some island and presented it as proof he was closing in. What an absolute clown. A big, racist clown.


stronghawk_1334

Monster energy can


damonoribello

Aren't there also dogs that can sniff some of Brian's things from home and then go crazy when they find his body?


Mean_Translator7628

All dead people smell the same to a dog. Only live people can be found by scent off their stuff. Cadaver dogs are used to detect dead people. Two dogs trained very differently.


damonoribello

What if the dead person is wearing clothing or, for instance, has a backpack that has been in the house where the dead person once lived?


Mean_Translator7628

In this case the backpack was in the water and water stops scent/tracking dogs. It does not stop cadaver dogs. The cadaver dogs must not have been brought to this area.


oddnanny

Agree 100% that they didn't guide the dogs to the correct area. The gases from the decaying body send up bubbles to the surface that the cadaver dogs can scent. If they had been in the right place, they would have found him sooner.


damonoribello

Ok now remove water and things sinking in water from the situation I have created here. Can dogs smell something in a person's house and find that same smell on a dead person who is wearing clothing that came from the same house? Or is it that once the person is dead, all smell of that person goes away 100% and now a cadaver dog must be called in?


Mean_Translator7628

Tracking dogs can pick up scent but has to be along a path where the scent touched so time and weather and contamination of an area become an issue. So if the person was freshly there and rubbed up against things and left a trail to where’s they are and then the shirt still has the live person smell on it then yes they could find the dead person. They are not smelling the shirt on the person but the trail the person left. But time and circumstances take away the smell. Air scent dogs can pick up a scent of someone from a distance. If the cadaver smell is too strong perhaps that contamination becomes an issue. Cadaver dogs can only find cadaver smell and can pick up the residue scent even if a body was moved from an area and can smell I believe up to 30 feet underground in the case of a burial. They can also smell it under water and will taste the water to get more of the smell. Hope that helps. Too many true crime podcasts lol. Cadaver dogs can also find historical remains. Time does not seem to be as much of a factor for them. The amount of time is still being studied.


No_Acanthisitta_4717

I just want to add/clarify to your comment, thank you for the post I am really interested in this. Tracking dogs don't track an individual's scent. An example, police dogs tracking a suspect. Police likely do not have their specific scent on hand in the field. Tracking dogs use environmental odours released by movement and are trained to follow the strength of said odours to follow direction. They do follow human odours paired with the environmental odours to ensure they are not trained to track animals that may be in the vicinity, however, it is a general humour odour and not specific to an individual. Air scent dogs can track specific odours but are generally only used for items known in a targeted area, think, drug/bomb dogs, or a section of five acres, avalanche site, etc. It can be extremely difficult for air scent dogs to locate a missing person due to distance, mitigating weather patterns, and topography. With poor search environment, an air scent dog could potentially miss someone twenty feet away due to something like wind, elevation differences, or heavy rain. Cadaver dogs are unique as they are trained with a much more vast scent bank. Time kinda is a factor for HRD dogs, which is why it can often take so much time for them to be fully trained. You have to train the dog to detect all levels of decomp, which means you need to take the time to age your scent targets while also reinforcing previous earlier aged targets. You should also to age said targets in different ways, for example sun baked, dried, frozen, burnt, liquidied etc so the dog recognizes decay in different states. cadaver dogs that are trained in water search also need that as a separate training as they search for the skin cells and gasses of a body on the water surface. It is extremely hard for cadaver dogs to pinpoint underwater locations. Once an HRD dog has the scent of say, bone or teeth down, time is less of a factor due to the slower rate of decomp (the scent changes less over a longer amount of time) however, the scent is much less potent and more difficult to detect. This is why well trained scent dogs can find ancient remains as long as the bone is well preserved. Generally, the bones used in training are already 60-80 years old. They are often imported from India. What I think is very cool about cadaver dogs, is that they have SO MANY SCENTS that they remember and detect, it's really cool. My pup is fantastic on teeth and bone. At 5 months he was cued to both, and then...after a six week break he remembered their scent and found them no problem. It's quite interesting how smart our doggies are. Using dogs for locating things or people is not always perfect, but man they are way better at it than we are.


Mean_Translator7628

Great info thanks


cuposun

You are a mean translator of truth! 👏 I bet more people would benefit from this knowledge. TV/Movies really gloss over the difference and treat them all like “scent dogs”. Same with drug sniffing dogs, etc. The reality is that the terrain and interactions with humans and scents would be drastically different between hunting for a dead body in marshland or searching for bomb in an airport full of people. Maybe appropriate for r/todayilearned 🐾


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Silver-Key-2167

You’d have to choke someone for minutes straight to kill them. If they were having rough sex and was choking her he would have to have continued after she was unconscious


CauliflowerOrnery460

Oh wow really? I guess I thought choking was a quick ish death, I’m new to true crime…


conjuringlichen

It’s also impossible to choke your partner during sex and not know you’re killing them, and even if it did happen during sex it would still be considered homicide since it’s pretty obvious what can happen if you choke someone. You also need a safe word or signal in order for that action to be consensual, which he would have had to ignore making it a non-consensual act. It’s a bullshit excuse and doesn’t actually make him not culpable of murder.


CauliflowerOrnery460

I’m not making an excuse I was just wondering if he could use that as a defense and excuse


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TW: details of strangling >!Strangling to kill is a very drawn out, intentional act. When Dennis Rader (Serial killer known as BTK) started killing, he strangled his first four victims—but only to unconsciousness—and when they started to wake up one at a time, he quickly found out you have to strangle someone long past the point of unconsciousness to kill them. So you’re just sitting there, continuing to strangle an unconscious body for at least a minute, if not longer, after the person stops fighting back.!<


CauliflowerOrnery460

Wow thank you all for adding to my knowledge! Idk why the original comment is down voted I wasn’t defending him I just wanted to know more


Mummyratcliffe

Chris Watts also claims to have killed his children “twice” which with his ever changing stories is debatable but believable given your comment on how long it actually takes to strangle/suffocate a person beyond unconsciousness to death :(


BeautifulRound6041

Does anyone find it odd that the day after his instagram was updated to a person he FOLLOWED bones turns up Coincidence? I think not


killertofu420

Wait can someone explain what happened?


Silver-Key-2167

Maybe it’s possible someone reactivated their account? That’s the only other possibility I can think of if the remains are his


CainLdn87

It could be that he requested to follow someone a long time ago and they have only just accepted.


BeautifulRound6041

https://youtu.be/v5tsZe5x2ZA check it out he logged into his google account on 10 15 hmmmm


TipMeinBATtokens

Or someone else with his info or some other person figured it out?


Silver-Key-2167

I wouldn’t doubt someone hacking his account


BeautifulRound6041

It would be but all these things happening all at once that leads you To this is too much of a Coincidence IMO


Silver-Key-2167

I just hope he’s not dead, but I also hate the idea of the remains being someone else


JaxIsGay

I believe you are right


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conjuringlichen

You really think that a small amount of dna from a toothbrush is going to trick the FBI into thinking stolen human remains are that of BL? Y’all are crazy.


Yevaud_

They have to establish known DNA from BL. If they showed up to the house to secure this after he disappeared, it follows that they didn't have this already in their possession. Otherwise, the exercise would have been pointless. Now, it doesn't matter what items they used- toothbrush, razor, hairbrush (not that BL needed one). If they make the assumption that this DNA is BL's, and do not corroborate this with a DNA test of either or both parents, then they are fools. I wish I had more confidence in the competence of the FBI or the LE, but if this evidence has been within a mile of where the car was recovered all this time....eh...water or no water, this is incompetence.


cleanlaundry

FWIW, he didn't fly home after Gabby was dead. His trip home was Aug 17-23, and Gabby was seen alive with him at Merry Piglets on Aug 27. Here's the [visual timeline](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/22f32d51ae414608ac1b39496d683827) if it's helpful


Emotional-Ad3359

Do we know anything about what was in the storage unit? They had to investigate that right?


AmyCovidBarret

“Too easy to dig up a corpse, get its DNA on a toothbrush, and dump it in alligator alley” /r/brandnewsentence