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General Discussion: 6:15 pm EST September 23rd, 2021

General Discussion: 6:15 pm EST September 23rd, 2021

alienkweenn

[Arrest Warrant Discussion.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/pu5ifb/arrest_warrant_issued/)


firfuxalot

What time was the Stan text sent?


MoreCoffeeSirMaam

LoL wow that swamp buggy is taking down so many trees while looking for a man who refused plastic bottles and ate out of melon bowls. He is causing so much more damage to the environment than the average person. So much irony here


cadenceisclear

I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that BL escaped while being a POI and the police saying they are aware of his whereabouts. This whole thing could've turned completely different had he been under surveillance.


dkyguy1995

Yeah Im seriously shocked. This was already national news before he disappeared because I was talking about it with a coworker the day before. And somehow he just walks out and vanishes?


firfuxalot

Florida police everyone


Interesting-Foot-439

I think it's pretty safe to say at this point...he ain't in the swamp! He may have started there and told his parents that is where he was going initially but he's long gone. Unfortunately, it was probably a diversion to give him time to move on to hiding out in a basement somewhere or to Mexico or Canada. :/


_anybody

3 minute mark, talking about can the red pickup be brought in and have the gps checked. this is interesting. it would show where they went “camping” https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1441222959264264202


Washuman

Florida uses license plate readers? Obviously not on every light, but they do use them. If they are on most interstates, I would think that could rule out them taking him to Georgia to hop on the app trail.


rimbaud1872

Looks like the bry man is not going to be found


_anybody

why would he have gone to the swamp? his parents and him went “camping” as GP was trending in the news. he is not in the reserve. never was


_anybody

their text messages to each other on the week BL flew to florida would tell everything i think. or their text messages when BL was hiking the 27th-29th. i doubt BL would leave GP and the van to go “hike/camp on the snake river”. 8/27/21 was the restaurant incident and last know GP sighting. it was also the day GP sent the stan text. was her phone activity being monitored at that point and she used her gpas name so her mother would find it weird and know something isnt right. what time was that text sent? i havent seen a timestamp for it


firfuxalot

**A person spotted on Foxnews Tampa Live Search for Brian Laundrie:** https://imgur.com/a/sJXvzuw Time stamp: 30:14-30:18 (Put your brightness all the way up) https://youtu.be/NRuWb2ARIZU


dkyguy1995

This is just Tobias's ballsack isn't it?


wareagle1972

Wow he grew an afro, in what...3 weeks?


imaps91

That just looks like foliage….


TeganFFS

BREAKING NEWS: shape found among shapes More at 10 !


FartacusUnicornius

I know I shouldn't laugh, but it does help to lighten the mood


TeganFFS

It’s only human to need some humour mixed in


FartacusUnicornius

I just don't want anyone to feel like this isn't a serious situation and we are making jokes. Humor is a great way to get through anything


TeganFFS

It’s human nature to find humour amongst the sad, you’d have to be a monster to not feel awful for the Petito family and we all want nothing more than for justice to be served, hope you’re okay !


MoreCoffeeSirMaam

It looks like a person in that screen shot but when I watch it myself, I can't see it


_anybody

that is blurrier than the bigfoot photo


AbhorVictoria

I’m having a hard time understanding how this 23-year old kid and his family seem to be successfully evading police and the FBI in what has become the most talked about manhunt of the 2020’s. Like I thought this was impossible. So many things are tracked. So many places have surveillance. Like, I just don’t get it. Is he a genius? Does his family have experience with this kind of thing? Disappearing a person? Evading FBI capture? Does his family have a history of crime? Or are they super intelligent? Or extremely wealthy? Are they familiar with the law? This seems to be executed so well so far.


RogueLeslieKnope

They had WEEKS to put everything in place. Mistakes have no doubt been made, and it will catch up to them eventually.


_anybody

dont underestimate LE incompetence


Mynameisinigomontya

What were the serial killer book (s) they were reading Keep hearing people talk about that. I know about fight club and they murder mystery alien one...but there was another big name book about a serial killer


manicpoodle

A lot of Palahniuk, Lullaby is one


MoreCoffeeSirMaam

One of the books was Annihilation


Bennybalookus

Fight club and stardust are others


dontcry2022

Tbh, why is Brian hiding? Okay, I get it, I get it. It's very likely he committed homicide. That's a huge deal. But I mean, unless they can prove it was pre-meditated murder (or not even pre-meditated), is it even possible he'd get life in prison or the death penalty? I'd think the penalty is like, a few decades in prison, right? Which don't get me wrong, sucks ass, to put it lightly. But he did commit a crime and there are consequences for that. I'm just wondering, could he be making all of this worse for himself by running away?? Are his actions in any way rational given the potential consequences considering the high likelihood the FBI will catch him?


Imperfect_Error

Wyoming has the death penalty


sonofalando

Depends where he is prosecuted. In Florida there's also excusable manslaughter which falls under crimes of passion so if they couldn't prove murder 1 or murder 2 he could be facing around 15 years. If they have a hard time proving intent could be 9 years.


t-var

He’ll probably claim self-defense or something, citing the police situation in which they were pulled over as proof that she is capable of attacking him.


firfuxalot

2nd degree murder carries a lengthy prison sentence.


lepetitmousse

I’d rather be in prison than a Florida swamp.


R3D-B34RD

If you have not watched this interview with a former FBI agent, it is very much worth your time. https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1441222959264264202


wait_whatnow

Thank you that was very informative.


Mynameisinigomontya

Is it supposed to cut out every two second I couldn't make out anything she said


Yu-piter

Breaking news: the dude is gonna be gone for a while (or is worm food by now), may be time to find a new hobby soon all.


classickaren

Uh I think you mean a new job. I work here now.


SorryMyCatsSaidNo

Sir this is a Wendy’s


Locksmith_Cheap

i feel like i should be paying rent


BurritoBoy11

Does anyone know why her death was ruled a homicide? I looked at some articles mentioning her remains were found but they didn’t mention why that ruling was made.


dkyguy1995

Unfortunately for us popcorn eaters they wont release the cause of death probably to hide what they know for when the interrogations start. A lot of times keeping what YOU know hidden is a good way to keep a suspect guessing what the police might know and might not know and slip into revealing something the police didn't know or slip into revealing something they couldn't have possibly known without having been witness


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BurritoBoy11

So no details released yet? Gotcha. Thanks


jedipaul9

I would be extremely surprised if many details from the autopsy will be released to the public before BL is interrogated or confirmed deceased.


BurritoBoy11

Yeah I doubt they’d release many details but I wasn’t sure if like in a murder case for example they’d say the ME ruled it a homicide because this person was shot to death, or strangled to death, or something, etc.


Federwolf

Not always. In the Delphi case they haven’t told the public how the two girls were murdered. Just that they’re confident it was murder. If it’s important to the case to keep those details to tie down the killer, they will not share the information.


BurritoBoy11

Right right totally true but in this case I think we all know who is responsible so….


Federwolf

We think we do. But „yo he ran and behaves sketchy and left her there“ isn’t enough in court. Especially if he might be able to plead insanity with his “hearing voices” thing. The FBI will let us know when they feel comfortable doing so.


mommys_restitution

Marion County Sheriff landed at Ocala International after 1 hour 38 minutes of loopies


Coder_X_23

I read an article about a survivalist saying if Brian is in the reserve he is definitely dead. He spoke about all the dangers in the reserve as well as there’s almost nothing edible. Also with all the rain even boiling water would still make it bad to drink cause it would contain a lot of tannins. He spoke a lot about starting a fire and how it would be near impossible cause of how damp everything is and it just got me thinking…that man must think Brian is walking around the reserve trying to start a fire and find food while all of the FBI is in there looking for him 😂😂😂


Mynameisinigomontya

But he'd know that he went there all the time. He likely went in and either hiked through part of it or hitchhiked out


Upstairs_Royal_7540

Honestly I don’t see his endgame here at all. If he wanted to kill himself there are far easier ways to do it than this. If not, then what does he think will happen? He hides out for a few days and everyone goes “oh well we tried” and forgets about it? And he comes back and continues his life as usual? I just don’t get this mess.


sonofalando

He had tattoos of plants and was obsessed with nature. Probably wanted the earth to consume him as his final exit. He probably views this all poetically.


Interrnet

Much like killing Gabby I don't really think he has critical thinking skills in the sense of what his consequences are from his actions.


BarrySmart

He just doesn't want to go to prison.


Locksmith_Cheap

which i don’t get cus like ???? prison is definitely more cozy than a fucking swamp


yourclitsbff

Now they should ask him how long someone survives with a trailer load of supplies and possibly not even being in that reserve, but some abandoned sheltered place elsewhere.


amv2926

anyone else feel so strange dedicatedly following a florida news station


wareagle1972

For a local news guy, the dude is really good. I don't have cable and I would not watch CNN, Fox or any of the others even if I did. Cannot stand talking heads, round tables, and just what seems to be an agenda by both sides, versus true reporting. That is why I have enjoyed some of these Youtubers presentations of this story. They accumualate all the details and report and I don't get all the other B.S. I do not care about.


classickaren

Low key thinking about moving to Florida


voltjap

Watched a few seconds, then decided it was not for me. “Keep the crowd entertained until we have some info to pass along”


mommys_restitution

Probably some of the most entertaining local news out there


jurassickris

Can we add “descriptive speculative fiction involving Gabby’s murder” to the list of things not allowed here? Because JESUS that last comment was gross. Thank God it was deleted promptly.


BurritoBoy11

What did it say?


jurassickris

It was a graphic depiction of how the user imagined Gabby’s last, dying breaths. It was disgusting.


FartacusUnicornius

WTF?? Glad I missed that one. People are so gross sometimes


sevilyra

Yes, please, something along these lines would be great.


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decemberrainfall

Why on earth do people go this specific? This is disgusting.


baburusa

Yep, one thing though, she wouldn’t even have to threaten to expose him, or speak up or call him out or call him names. Doesn’t matter what she said sometimes :/


sevilyra

Especially if he happened to be having one of his "episodes." She could have been doing nothing but minding her own business.


ginchak

What do you mean?


baburusa

Like he would want to hurt her and go too far even if she was apologizing for like, apologizing to the waitress or something else he didn’t like


JazzyPro

Has anyone considered that BL being identified as the “victim” and GP “the aggressor” could have triggered an anger and shame response? He could have potentially felt emasculated, resulting in him “teaching her a lesson” that went very wrong. 😔🧐


Mynameisinigomontya

No he was likely relieved


voltjap

Some “dont tell me what to do” type thing. BL probably has no deescalation skills or coping mechanisms.


voltjap

If the blow up incident at the restaurant was true, I imagine her apologizing to wait staff would have pissed him off even more. He probably threw temper tantrums and her getting in the middle further exasperated the situation. All speculation at this point.


str4ngerc4t

I have not been able to find this restaurant video on YouTube and I really want to watch and over analyze it. Do you have a link?


wareagle1972

I don't believe there is a public video of this at this point. Just a TikTok'er reporting that she was sitting at the table next to Gabby and bonehead when the incident occured. The restaurant just said they reported the details to the FBI but haven't said anything publicly beyond that. Whether that included a video of the incident, I don't think anyone knows.


baburusa

Ye. Also, did they say it was about the bill? I thought that part was speculation but people here are claiming it as fact


voltjap

Yeah, I believe that’s what I heard, but it could have been misrepresented. I do believe argument happened there though.


Damdamfino

More likely he would have felt emboldened to be able to get away with it.


voltjap

Maybe not emboldened, but childish temper tantrums because he cant/ couldn’t chill out. Know he can get away from it. Maybe GP called him out when he had a public freak out, and that pushed him over.


voltjap

Or just out of his hot head briefly. “Crazy girl telling me what to do”! I imagine he truly believed she was crazy, and through his abusive behavior toward GP, he made her believe she was crazy and unstable as well.


mildlydisturbedtway

Alternately it was generally unstable and mutually abusive relationship? There are plenty of possible explanations.


dizzylyingdown

I agree with this


Bennybalookus

Omg a man have a murdering meltdown because he’s told he’s not a real man?!?!? That would never happen!


saintham

Thoughts on why BL was in Colter Bay needing a ride in the first place? Did he take a manic hike there or something? I get him needing/wanting to get back to Spread Creek, but why did he leave there to begin with?


musclewitch

Maybe to thoroughly clean up and shower? I realize there was a creek nearby but I doubt he wanted to be visibly out and about anywhere near the scene of the crime.


ThisNameIsFree

*If* there was a crime scene to clean up, of course.


steph4181

Maybe he was hitchhiking back to her after separating for some reason (fight/she locked him out) and then killed her then. So he may have killed her around 6:30-7pm Aug 29. Just a theory


theherbpuffer

Why would he lie to Miranda about hiking and camping for days then?


steph4181

I don't know, I guess I've been reading too much of this I can't keep up with all the articles and theories.


dizzylyingdown

Personally, I think he was panicking and didn't know what his next step should be. He obviously wanted to distance himself from the crime. But what do we know from true crime/TV shows? Forensic evidence is everywhere. I think he didn't want to contaminate the van, so he left and went to shower and think about his next steps. That is what makes the most sense to me.


mentoszz

I have no idea. The hitchhiking part is unclear. I don't understand why he would "freak out" when Miranda Baker offered to take him south toward Jackson. But then accept a ride to Spread Creek, the literal location of the murder.


Mynameisinigomontya

To get the van away from gabby, so no one would find her Not sure that's a mystery that's almost certainly why and why he didn't want the second women to take him to the van and see where he left her


stupid_sexyflanders

He clearly had to get back there to get to the van, both for his getaway and to possibly clean up the scene more...he was freaking out because they were taking the scenic route back to Jackson which doesn't go by Spreak Creek.


thereisbeauty7

Kind of sounds like maybe he was actually freaking out because he remembered something he forgot to cover up, and that’s why he had to get out of her vehicle and hitchhike back to the scene of the crime, before taking the van instead.


dizzylyingdown

This map illustrates it. I think he freaked out because he realized she was taking the long route that doesn't pass spread creek. I think he planned to make an excuse as to why he needed to stop at Spread Creek on the way. [map](http://imgur.com/a/6RKu1ML)


wareagle1972

So why was he in Colter Bay and how did he get there? Is that where the old guy saw him at the bar?


dizzylyingdown

It's all conjecture. Personally I think what makes the most sense is him panicking after killing Gabby. He immediately wants to distance himself from the crime and make sure that he can't be tied to it, right? Well what have we all learned from true crime and TV shows? Forensic evidence is everywhere! I think he went to Colter Bay to shower and get rid of forensic evidence. He didn't want to contaminate the van by taking it, so he walks and hitchhikes.


Rich1631

Yea I agree. He wanted to get back to the van. The second hitchhiker is proof of that.


goodvibes_onethree

What second hitchhiker? I've only heard of the one from Colter Bay.


Rich1631

https://www.foxnews.com/us/second-laundrie-witness-hitchhiking-wyoming


goodvibes_onethree

Whoa.. this is crazy telling info. Definitely answers how he got from the damn drop off and back to Spread Creek, also time frame. Thank you!


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JackieFrrresh

Honestly, maybe. Think about all of the chemicals rushing to his head after that. It was probably like walking and thinking what the duck what the fuck what the fuck, and suddenly you’re somewhere else. Like a blackout. Y’all never had blackout thoughts before?


peterpan1371

I think he thought he could either disappear or maybe wanted to try to commit suicide. I think he was probably walking around during the day trying to get a plan/supplies/in contact with someone, possibly returning to the van at night to check if she had been found? I keep thinking how Miranda said he had a small backpack and looked clean - sounds more like day hiking around, trying to build an alibi and figure out what to do. Since disappearing is pretty impossible even when you have resources, I’m guessing he must have given up and realized he was going to have to just go home, then once he made that decision, he’s probably thinking he can’t waste another minute getting back to the van in case they discover her body and he can’t take off with it. So instead of hiking back he hitchhiked and took off that night.


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RedditBurner_5225

People think he was trying to establish an alibi.


l32uigs

i think he went up there to send a text from her phone.


wishful_cynic

Or take a shower, get her DNA off his body, clear his mind, etc


4Rbruhhh

BEs Q&A with the former FBI agent was very informative. I learned a lot from it.


direwolf71

Cliffs notes?


4Rbruhhh

- Wyoming has the death penalty (I didn’t know that) or he would most likely get a life sentence. - She seems sure he’s alive and said digging into the “camping trip” would find his hiding spot. They could even take the maroon truck to look at GPS, check out their phone pings, and large financial transactions to piece things together. She said that if he was dead, the parents would not be lawyering up. - FBI follows up on every lead and she stated they absolutely have the manpower to do so. - She seems sure he isn’t at the reserve but alluded to the fact that they are searching there for a reason. - She mentioned that the FBI of course knows way more than any of us could imagine, including the cause of death. She thinks that report already came back and will not be released to the public for awhile. Trying to remember what else but it’s escaping me. It’s all on BEs Twitter though. It left me with a feeling that they’re going to get him and that the Feds are 100% dedicated to finding him. She seemed so sincere. Great interview.


amv2926

She also said that they most likely have outside corroboration other than the parents to be searching the reserve so thoroughly. But also kind of contradicted herself when she said she did not think he was in the swamp, she thought maybe he was camping out in a different secluded area somewhere else


4Rbruhhh

Oh yes, thank you. My memory is crap lately.


StasRutt

Does Wyoming’s death penalty matter if she was murdered on federal land though? Granted there’s a federal death penalty


bravelittletoaster87

It depends on who decides to charge him if it's Murder and if Fed and State charge him they can do so concurrent to each other, which would mean he could get life from the Federal government, and life from WY. The federal land is in WY so it's still a crime inside their state, both can claim against it if they wish. He would have his federal trial, then state trial. They'd be separate charges. Most likely the FBI will take lead and the state will bow out. Saves the state time and resources and they often do this. If they REALLY are mad at the person and it's cost the state a lot of time and money as well they'll often continue on because they tend to attempt to recoup their costs to investigate, which they'll do, by making him work in prison.


dans_baptism

Thanks for the info! How do you know all this?


baburusa

Verrrry insightful


LinElliotStillSucks

Nothing realistic. She doesn't have any inside information. Part generalization, part fortune cookie.


Cestlavieee

It’s worth a watch.


baburusa

Following lol


4Rbruhhh

I added my cliff notes but they’re not great. Here is where you can watch it though Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) Tweeted: live with former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer outside the Laundrie home https://t.co/yWTdBhl4cg https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1441222959264264202?s=20


baburusa

They are great!