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The Teton County Coroner Confirms Body Found on Sunday Are Those Of Gabby Petito. Manner of Death: Homicide.

The Teton County Coroner Confirms Body Found on Sunday Are Those Of Gabby Petito. Manner of Death: Homicide.

alienkweenn

Please stop posting the definition of homicide as it is really clogging up the thread. ​ homicide, the killing of one human being by another. Homicide is a general term and may refer to a noncriminal act as well as the criminal act of murder. Some homicides are considered justifiable, such as the killing of a person to prevent the commission of a serious felony or to aid a representative of the law. Other homicides are said to be excusable, as when a person kills in self-defense. A criminal homicide is one that is not regarded by the applicable criminal code as justifiable or excusable. All legal systems make important distinctions between different types of homicide, and punishments vary greatly according to the intent of the killer, the dangerousness of the killer’s conduct, and the circumstances of the act. ​ [source](https://www.britannica.com/topic/homicide)


msjwayne

So in the arrest warrant it cites BL as violating federal statute “Use of Unauthorized Access Devices” related to Mr. Laundries activities following the death of GP. Can anyone tell me what that means in layman terms? Sorry if this has already been asked.


spoiledrichwhitegirl

Bank cards or credit cards. I believe he withdrew something like $1,000 USD from her account & may have used the card elsewhere (gas stations, etc.) on his way home. I hope this helps.


Russian_Paella

That's kinda crazy, it doesn't get more incriminating than him using her credit cards to pay fuel, etc if she was dead by then.


JMaboard

He used her credit cards basically.


msjwayne

Ohhh Ok that makes sense. Thank you


EskimoRocket

It's one thing to empathize with where your child is coming from in doing something wrong/bad, but it's totally different not to hold then accountable to it and make excuses for then. When your kid does something morally repugnant that harms other people, it is your job as a parent to let them know that even though you still love them, doing some shitty thing like that isnt going to fly, you're disappointed in them. When your son beats the shit out of his wife and you tell him it wasn't really his fault, his wife was egging it on, she lied, etc., and so, he doesn't stop doing that nasty thing, he just learns how to do it more subtlety so he won't be caught. Small children and vulnerable mother's will still get hurt again in the future. You don't want your kid to be an inflictor of torture and agony with no payoff.


charliemuffin

All Brian has to do, and maybe he has, is buy a one way plane ticket and set up a new life somewhere. Grow his hair and beard out. Wait ten years and he'll be forgotten about. Get a new identity and come back to the u.s, but better he stay out. Brian Laundrie is the new Scott Peterson.


vinnycogs820

If he took a flight anywhere right now, the FBI would know. Unless he already has fake credentials (doubtful)


Novadina

He was in FL, his parents probably put him in a boat. Then didn’t tell police he was gone for 3 days, plenty of time to be out of the country. They have copters monitoring the border there but for people coming IN, not leaving.


vinnycogs820

Maybe, sounds more like a movie though. If his parents didn't already have a boat, whoever they bought a boat from would definitely have said something by now. If his parents do have a boat, that would also be talked about in the news as well.


luckyveggie

They could have just offered some guy with a boat $300 to drop him off in Cuba, not that he's living Boat Life now.


vinnycogs820

That person would probably be looking at the 20k reward with interest right about now


N3UR0_

Even if they did, isn't cuba non extradition?


Novadina

Well the news did report that investigators are searching for Brian in “bodies of water”… perhaps they know something they haven’t told the press.


vinnycogs820

The only mention of searching in water is in the giant reserve near their house where he supposedly was heading. Big marsh/wetland area


Novadina

I see. I’m skeptical his parents told the truth about that, seems like they just wanted to mislead investigators. Who knows though.


KoreanEan

Maybe not, everyone wearing masks now


Trextrev

So facial recognition has drastically improved over the last two years and they are able to identify a person wearing a face mask they can see your eyes and forehead they can identify you. They can also identify you without even seeing your face at all using gait recognition. Oh so if they have access to any videos of you which is highly likely they do because they were always posting to social media then the computer can recognize all the points in your walk and then they can pick you out from the way you walk which is surprisingly unique to each person.


KoreanEan

Ok so can I beat their new tech by walking [like this](https://youtu.be/wBqM2ytqHY4)


Trextrev

You might beat the software but people will definitely be able to pick you out of a crowd.


vinnycogs820

Maybe a private flight? Any normal flight you'd have to have credentials that scan in the TSA system. You also take your mask down in security so they can check your picture.


cuss_fuss

Private flights aren’t exempt from tsa it’s just not with the chattel.


KoreanEan

Oh true, sorry didn’t know that, I haven’t flown in the time of covid. My b. Wish I had money to fly lol


I_is_a_dogg

I mean...TSA has been a thing since 2001...


MicroPencil567

This sounds like a plausible course of action. And yet, a part of me feels like we ought to have the technology in place by now to make a murder case like this a 2-4 weeks project (considering the massive coverage).


MightyMiami

I am not an expert and I haven't seen all the evidence. But I find it hard to believe there will be any type of conviction. I haven't seen any definitive, beyond a reasonable doubt proof tying BL to the death of GP. Everything so far is circumstantial.


LazeLinez

Circumstantial evidence can be enough to convict someone.


wertymanjenson

Wrongfully. I don’t believe most circumstantial evidence is enough to convict someone of a serious crime but thats why I wouldn’t nor haven’t been selected for jury duty. 🤷🏽‍♂️


LizzosPersonalTrainr

But the justice system is an atrocity, so it sadly is.


xxscorpio

This mf really thought the world wouldn’t care about Gabby because HE didn’t care or value Gabby… surprise mother fucker


McJumpington

Doakes is that you?


bigbezoar

the FBI needs to be overhauled.... they shoulda had a tail on Laundrie the instant they knew where he was and should have never let him slip away.


TriumphantReaper

You watch to many movies and don't understand peoples rights...Why would you put surveillance on someone for a missing person that is camping?


OrneryLawyer

Have dealt extensively with law enforcement in my career. Putting a tail on Laundrie was justifiable because from the very beginning, it was NOT a simple missing person case. Brian refusing to disclose anything about the girl was a massive red flag. They had no legal cause to detain Brian, that's true, but to unobtrusively keep track of his whereabouts - that was legally defensible under the circumstances. That's exactly what the FBI and police have done many times for "persons of interest" before they were ever formally charged. FBI and local law enforcement dropped the ball.


Trextrev

It’s likely a resource issue more than dropping the ball. The FBI just doesn’t have the resources to put a tail on everybody that they consider a person of interest.


bigbezoar

maybe John Walsh also watches to many movies and has way less understanding than you do because that's exactly what he said also....


TriumphantReaper

I just work with Law enforcement and speak with lots of them.


Ozwaldo

Oh my god, no. No they don't need to be *overhauled* for not immediately placing 24/7 surveillance on someone for a missing persons case.


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abbyzou

I had a black customer today say this case is an example of white privilege. He said "not even a deputy gonna come look for my black ass if I disappear, but a cute white girl? Send in the fbi!" and honestly he's got a damn good point ETA: he also pointed out how the fiance just got to chill for days refusing to talk, but if it was him, they'd have dragged him in anyway and interrogated him for days


PrettyFlyForITguy

It's not really race, IMO. She was a young, pretty girl, very marketable in the media. If she was 57 and obese, it wouldn't have been in the news either. Then, once the story got rolling, it was sort of clear that this was going to bubble up and be a story you'd watch unfold... the boyfriend came home alone, in her car, lawyered up.. there was a search for her, and it was likely with the media coverage that she'd be found. Its hard for the media not to run with an unfolding story like that. As far as not arresting the boyfriend, there wasn't any evidence of a crime. He was also advised to lawyer up, so there isn't much they would've asked him. The best they could've done is detain him for 24 hours and then had to let him go.


CarlC259

I get what he's saying and he's not wrong, but the main reason the FBI got involved was because it crossed state lines most likely.


xxxnina

I think it’s fair to say the biggest factor why it’s blown up so much is because her whole trip is detailed on Instagram for the public to see, not just that she’s white.


tot_coz2

She had ~7000 followers prior to this. Not exactly a huge influencer.


Ozwaldo

...damn that's true I didn't factor that in. Plus I just noticed the banner says "She touched the world", so I guess the FBI really should have probably been watching Brian before they ever even *went* on this trip.


StripMallSatori

Before they had a body or even knew this was a homicide? No can do.


InCoffeeWeTrust

There should be a process where you can opt-in to wearing a tracking bracelet for the next 48 hours if you're one of the main people connected to someone who was murdered. I'd be ok with being tracked. Track my fatass going to walmart for some chips at 3 am. I got nothing to hide.


StripMallSatori

See, here's the thing. We shouldn't concede to being followed or tracked even if we are innocent. It's an invasion of privacy. Cops even need a warrant to access your phone data which would show clearly your movements...so never hand your phone over to the cops for the asking. Make they work for it.


TriumphantReaper

I doubt you'd be okay with that if you killed someone or lived a riskay life style like engaged with escorts and so on.


InCoffeeWeTrust

That's the point


LazeLinez

Negative. If you refuse you’d automatically be accused of hiding something.


wertymanjenson

Perfect way to convict someone by public opinion. No thanks.


MightyMiami

Even if you volunteered.. this would never happen. No court would uphold it as it violates the 4th amendment.


Admirable-Cupcake-85

You watch too many tv shows


WyzeMedia

I was thinking the same thing since this case broke. Him being a ‘person of interest’ was fucking obvious from the day he got home. And it would be so easy just to post a cop outside his house, and would be so worth it when it comes to his involvement being confirmed. You could even say the officer was there for BL’s protection since he was getting dragged so hard online. I can’t believe he could just fuck off like that with no one keeping a closer eye on his location.


TriumphantReaper

Sooo why would Florida PD survey him about a missing person in Wyoming? Police forces are not one body they have different jurisdictions and cant help unless asked and that goes the same with the FBI you have to ask for their help on a case for them to join and typically Police don't like FBI taking the case from them.


WyzeMedia

You’re right they are not normally a singular body, but separate state police forces cooperate often to help solve a case. It’s not unheard of for one department to call another. Also, the FBI was involved. So weather PD wants the feds involved or not, they were, and were more than capable of tracking a person of interest instead of letting them disappear while a potential victim is still to be found.


TriumphantReaper

As I said tho they have to be asked


WyzeMedia

So you’re telling me the FBI doesn’t get involved with anything unless they’re explicitly invited? Huh.


TriumphantReaper

Yep either by police or by a person


bigbezoar

FINALLY someone prominent in the media says the same thing- **"John Walsh, the former host of 'America's Most Wanted,' questions if anyone actually saw Brian Laundrie in his home when his attorney said he was there"** https://www.insider.com/john-walsh-no-one-saw-brian-laundrie-he-was-home-2021-9 ...that Brian since the time he had reportedly returned home to his parents' house in Florida. The lawyer kept saying he was there with his family but... I have said that it is a lie - nobody saw him there- NOBODY and yet the press fell for it hook, line & sinker why has NOBODY seen him?? He didn't go to that Reserve - that was another lie concocted by the lying family FINALLY someone (John Walsh) wakes up to the fact that he had at least an extra 5+ days head start because he probably has NOT been there since early in September - possibly as early as Sept 1 or 2


rasterling9234

One of the neighbors is one record talking about him riding bicycles and stuff around the neighborhood. Unclear on dates but they mentioned it was inappropriate that he was acting normal, indicating they were seeing him around.


LazeLinez

Neighbors saw him. Do a bit more research instead flying off the handle.


InCoffeeWeTrust

Neighbours were two old seniors most likely with terrible eyesight. A random blob could have looked like Brian to those two


LazeLinez

Wow, way to just pull assumptions out of your ass. Where’s the receipt for that info?


InCoffeeWeTrust

But if you wanna talk statistics here you go: *According to Mayo Clinic, about half of all 65-year-old Americans have some degree of cataract formation in their eyes. As you enter your 70s, the percentage is even higher.* https://www.allaboutvision.com/en-ca/over60/vision-changes/


JimLarimore

And what about the percentage of seniors that due to those cataracts have had their lenses replaced and have super human sight better than 20/20?


InCoffeeWeTrust

>most likely # most likely


LazeLinez

Yea…..so that question still applies. How do you know that it’s highly likely? Do you even know the age of these people?


InCoffeeWeTrust

chill out dude, here's their interview [https://twitter.com/thecrimediva2/status/1440759110077595648?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440759110077595648%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crimeonline.com%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fbrian-laundrie-neighbor-says-brian-and-parents-went-camping-while-murdered-girlfriend-gabby-petito-was-missing%2F](https://twitter.com/thecrimediva2/status/1440759110077595648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440759110077595648%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crimeonline.com%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fbrian-laundrie-neighbor-says-brian-and-parents-went-camping-while-murdered-girlfriend-gabby-petito-was-missing%2F)


LazeLinez

Chill out? Nice attempt at trying to make yourself sound like the reasonable one after your original comment. Lol


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Cosmic_Fugue

I don’t. The family of the victim deserves answers, which only he has.


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Mo0nbrain

How about have some respect for Gabby and stop defending a family who abets a homicide suspect.


bigbezoar

agreed - every action by Brian Laundrie in the past month has been selfish and has hindered the search for and investigation of Gabby. He and his parents have clearly conspired to protect Brian from the OBVIOUS - from being the prime suspect in a murder that he knows all about. Human decency demands he come forward, give answers, and yet he has done the opposite every step along the way.


The_Lolcow_whisperer

Gabby was an antivaxer so why would I respect a literal murderer? She also abused Brian and now made everyone believe that he's a bad person. We should be focusing on Brian right now


MischiefManaged4x

911 call is basically proof that calling gabby an abuser is a flat out incel lie.


Jesus-H-Christopher

I think we should really be putting more focus on ligma, in my opinion.


dozamon

He’s hiding… Edit: Never mind, this guy’s just trolling. Whoops.


The_Lolcow_whisperer

Stop victim blaming. Brian has gone through enough already


DaintyAmber

Your negative 15 says you need to do better, not me


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Don't feed the trolls.


grapholalia

I work right by where she took the picture with the wings that her dad posted as her memorial picture. It just hurts my heart so much to look at it now. I really hope BL is found and brought to justice.


Cotton1candy

https://www.flightradar24.com/N7073T/293da557 If anyone wants to watch a helicopter go in circles .


LiteralMangina

It’s leaving now


kkaavvbb

He’s branching out now!


TurquoiseBats

😂😂😂


belgiantwatwaffles

What I don't get is the behavior of Laundrie's parents. As a parent and grandparent, my kid would not be leaving my house after he came home alone from a trip with his girlfriend. I would have wanted to know where she was and I would know my kid good enough to know if he was lying. As soon as I found out he was a person of interest, I would have turned him in. No way would I have let him leave the damn house knowing he would be a flight risk. I could never harbor a murderer, I don't care if he is my kid or not.


PrettyFlyForITguy

Most people would do what they needed to protect their children. They probably got him a ticket to Tijuana and helped him escape, then told the cops he is in the woods. That's what I would've done.


willreignsomnipotent

I find it interesting how much views differ on this issue. I don't have kids, but I tend to think I'd be more likely to behave like you... Unless for some reason I thought my kid was an irredeemable monster... (But if your kid is really a "monster" did you have some role in their becoming such...?) I can certainly understand people wanting to side with the victim in a case like this... But it weirds me out a little to see people so casually and confidently declare that they would throw their child to the law... As if that would be an easy thing...


chandaliergalaxy

Also interesting that the discussion about having your children thrown in jail is about punishment. Yes, that's part of it, but in many other Western countries there's a perception that jail is also about rehabilitation and reform. "Life sentences" in say Scandinavian countries don't necessarily mean your full life literally; you can be pardoned after a few decades and reintegrate into society (albeit not easily).


willreignsomnipotent

Oh it's for sure different, in a country that actually focuses on rehabilitation. In the US we're much more enamored with the idea of punishment, rather than rehabilitation. And US prisons are such, that someone could go in as a minor criminal, but come out as actually a much worse person (and better criminal) than they were before... I would never expect US prisons to "rehabilitate" someone, and I think there's a fair chance it could do the opposite...


WafflesAndMeth

In my opinion, the moment my son kills an innocent person, his gf no less, is the moment that he wouldn’t be my son any longer. People have cut ties with their children for much, much less.


JimLarimore

I'm definitely of the opposite opinion. Priorities: 1) Family 2) Society I'd wager a majority fall in that camp. But, I can understand the reverse stance.


WafflesAndMeth

It’s more about morality, rather than society, for me, but I get your point.


thebardjaskier

"She's hanging out with her dad for a few days since we're home." "The road trip was really rough and we just need a few days apart." "She's traveling with her friend Rose, she'll be home in a few days."


SalvageRabbit

This right here. It's probably what he said to them. Now they realize they are in a legal shit storm and are wondering what to do.


Yogurtproducer

I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. I could say any of these things to my parents in this situation and no one would question because WHY WOULD THEY.


monsieurpommefrites

> I could never harbor a murderer, I don't care if he is my kid or not. Why not? You raised one. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN


Vivitom

Brave choice of words. I'm amazed how people are ready to say they will throw their offspring under the bus just for social and moral approval of others. I ain't saying it is right to hide him, but is quite normal for his parents to not turn him in, quite a natural instinct. Most people would have done the same as his parents, even the ones claiming they would have done the opposite.


GigasMaximas

While that may be the case for some, many people are willing to do the right thing even if it means sending their kid to jail. Most parents know that the best thing to do when a kid gets in trouble for anything isn't to bail them out of it but to let them face the consequences so they learn from their actions. Wanting to keep them safe and wanting the best for them is typical for a parent but knowing or even suspecting your child did something as deplorable as killing would be the tipping point for even some of the worst helicopter parents. And let's not even get into the possibility of the parents themselves now being listed as accomplices...no ma'am.


willreignsomnipotent

Yeah, but it's possible for the law to fuck over innocent people and get railroaded. Innocent people have been convicted of murder before... I think that would be one of my fears as a parent in this situation. What if he's innocent, and what if he gets railroaded anyway, and I put him in that situation because I was "trying to do the right thing...?"


StripMallSatori

He came home before without Gabby. He could have said he returned this time for similar reasons (whatever those might be.) The suspicious item here, to me, is how Brian's mom wouldn't answer or return the calls from Gabby's family. THAT displays knowledge of something, to my mind.


ILookLikeTheDude

It's almost as if a lawyer instructed them not to say anything to anybody under any circumstances.


ThickBeardedDude

That's actually really good advice.


belgiantwatwaffles

Agreed.


bigbezoar

fair or not...they will be remembered for all eternity as evil conspirators to hide a vicious murderer... the one and only action they can still take to redeem any respect or dignity they will ever have, is to come forward, be 100% honest, and help in the investigation and the finding of their son. Instead they want to go to their graves helping a murderer...


Vivitom

It is their child. Pretty sure, most who say they would turn their own kid are lying to themselves and are saying this easy because they really are not in the same situation as them. Imagine your kid that you have taken care of for 20+ years and have bonded a strong attachment to them ending up in this case, you would hardly even accept the word murderer for him/ her let alone be sober to think rationally about what he/ she has done. Constant denial and excuse will be the only thing you will feel.


belgiantwatwaffles

That's pretty much how I feel about it.


MeAndMyGreatIdeas

We all want to assume that under the same circumstances we would be morally upstanding citizens and do what is right. What we forget is that humanity is infinitely fallible and a parent's love for their child can make them do stupid shit. It sucks to think about, but so does all of this.


sloopslarp

Gabby lived with them for a year.


Vivitom

99% would do the same as them, people act like they would not but they will. Emotional attachment towards your child is way stronger than social morality. His parents likely feel way more empathy towards their son's case rather than what happened to Gaby. Some will say this is horrible, but it is nature.


ThickBeardedDude

Anyone that follows true crime knows this. This early in an investigation, it's very rare for parents of someone that is alleged to be a murderer to openly speak against them.


KyleG

Yeah this is true. I never understood parents who talked about how they would die for their kids, fully certain that I would flee immediately from danger out of pure instinct and self-interest. But then I actually had kids and it's amazing. It's like your brain chemistry rewires itself and you become a completely different person with completely different motives than you had before. Now I would die for my kids without hesitation. So I wonder what I would do in their situation. On the other hand a friend I had growing up murdered his entire family and burn their house down. Since then I thought how if any of my kids showed an inkling of anger I would start being paranoid that they would kill me if I were his parents I'd be afraid of him killing me and therefore want to turn him in.


MeAndMyGreatIdeas

Exactly… it’s horrible to think about but you can NEVER know what you’ll do in any situation until you’ve been there.


bigbezoar

sorry, maybe you are speaking for some - or even maybe most parents, but there are still a whole lot that honor truth and justice above selfish motives. Even if they believe Brian is innocent, then they should have come forward right away with honest answers. But they hid him and helped him get away for 2 weeks while Gabby parents went thru hell wondering where their girl was.


MeAndMyGreatIdeas

Again… SHOULD. Rarely do people behave as they should.


StripMallSatori

No, really, in the great overview of crime, parents almost never turn on their kids, even if their kids is committing crimes against them and the family.


bigbezoar

I know...it is rare, but it does happen - note the Unabomber


StripMallSatori

That's because Ted's brother had a) not seen him in years b) was a true social servant who believed that The Good outweighed his responsibility to family. Also to note, it took the brother a while to turn him in and he felt tremendous guilt about it.