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Discussion 4: September 20, 2021

Discussion 4: September 20, 2021

alienkweenn

[Link to stream of Brian Laundrie's House](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG87cJlrdkY)


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Justcallmemanko

Very weird Instagram activity, it seems he may have another Instagram or a fake one. I’m not sure what’s going on here. They might be fake just trying to involve theirselves for weird clout but either way it’s a red flag. [Instagram Screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/rHZFsJH)


Worldly-Ad3272

I have gone way too far down this rabbit hole... So, as far as I understand (correct anything that is wrong, please): They were spotted at the Jenny Lake August 25th. It was also on August 25th, that Gabby did her last facetime (saying she was in Grand Teton National park) and Instagram post. In the evening of August 27th: \-there is the video of the youtube couple passing her van. In the video, the door of the van definitely closes as they approach. Also, behind the van are a pair of flop flops and a book with an object on top of it (people have suggested cellphone, but I highly doubt it.) Also, in this video you can see logs that cross a ditch (confirmed from the new video from the daily mail now that the area has opened again). I would have guessed Gabby and Brian would have set up their tent on the other side of the ditch/bushes, more privacy/better scenery. \-Gabby's mom gets a strange text, "Can you help Stan, I just keep getting his voicemails and missed calls." Stan is Gabby's grandfather and never refers to him as stan, so this is likely not sent by Gabby. However, it is possible that Gabby would have Brian sometimes send texts for her (I sometimes have friends send texts for me if I am busy with something- but I think this unlikely). \-supposedly Gabby snapchatted her friend saying "Headed to Yellowstone." This friend has only spoken to one news outlet and not gone to the police, which is weird, so not sure if this is reliable info. On August 29th: \-two Elk spotters see the van in the same place as the youtube video had shown it on the 27th. \-Brian hitchhikes from Coulter Bay (approx 16 miles, 5 hours from where the van is parked) to the Jackson Lake Dam. Supposedly initially saying he wanted to go to Jackson and offered $200 (where did he get $200? Did he ever pay anything? Was he ever intending to pay anything?). Supposedly he freaked out when heard Jackson Hole, but I think the other theory that I have heard about them turning off to take the other route that doesn't go passed the Spread Creek camping area (where the van is parked) makes more sense. So, here is my thinking: \-Something happened between the 25th and 27th. Although I would guess the 27th because that is the date of the weird Stan/grandpa text on her phone and the book and other object. \*\*Let me explain why I am caught up on this book and other object. \-They are neatly placed on the ground behind the van. They are not in any disarray. \-I am thinking the top object is maybe sunblock/bug spray, maybe a flashlight (there is something in there vanlife video that looks like a light that could be it but seems too small). These aren't objects that you just keep there while you are camping. They are likely set down while closing or opening the doors. Also, they are likely able to be held in one hand so you'd only put them down if you have things in the other. Or, you might set them down if you planned to take them back with you when leaving the van again (ex: you are going to get a snack from the van and carry your book and object with you), but just leave them outside so you can bring them back to the tent with you. You definitely don't leave them overnight, so in my thinking, they are objects from that day. \-One is a BOOK. A BOOK. Would you read a book after someone just died? Would you carry a book to put back in the van after someone just died? The only think I could maybe think of is if it was book of national trail maps and he was trying to find a way to Coulter Bay. \-To me, this scene of the van looks like a completely normal one of people camping. Someone going back to change clothes, sets down their book and other object, closes door when vehicle approaches because they are changing or just don't want to talk to anyone. Or, if Gabby, she might be more on guard since she is a woman. \-But, this book is what is making me think that the 27th is the day. Whether it is before or after the youtube video was shot. I don't think we have been told when the mom got the weird text from Gabby on the 27th, right? If the friend is legit about Yellowstone, it would also seem like that would have been sent by Gabby. Why would Brian think to send something like that? I could see the book and object being 2 things there were going to take to the front of the van and use while driving and so maybe that is why they were set out. Correct me if I am wrong, but Yellowstone is 1-2 hours away, but I think it would be pretty late (6-6:30pm) for them to be getting started. They would need to find a campsite/setup in the dark. So, one theory is they were about to leave and something happened and Gabby died/was killed and the youtubers drive by later in the day while Brian is still figuring out what to do. So, something happens to Gabby on the 27th. (The weird text shows the phone changed hands, but the book indicates that the day began normally.) Now, his expedition to Coulter Bay. Why? \-Some have suggested he went to Coulter Bay to shower/wash up after murdering her. I don't think this makes sense. There was a creek right by where they camped that he could have cleaned himself up in. Also, why wouldn't he drive? \-The other theory is that he went there to create a fake alibi that he was camping for a few days, but that doesn't seem to make sense because he messes up his alibi by sending that text about Yosemite, and NOT reporting her missing when he gets back to the van and instead taking the van to FL. Unless his tactic was to just create a lot of confusion. He may not be the smartest dude. \-The other theory is that he freaked after she was dead and he just ran/hiked away and it took some time for him to process what happened. \-What I think is possible is that he needed something to make the van work. Gas? The battery ran dead? Another part? This would explain why he hitchhikes back instead of walks because whatever he bought was heavy. Although they picked him up in the marina parking lot (?), and I think the gas station/convenience store is before that. It is also possible that the van not working is what caused a disagreement with him and Gabby on the 27th: they were all packed to go to Yellowstone, Gabby sends the snapchat to her friend, and the van won't start. Arguing ensues, something happens. \-But, otherwise, why leave the van and then return? Also, based on the timeline, he likely set out for Coulter Bay morning of the 29th, so what did he spend the 28th doing? Burying her? It is still possible he intended to flee (and why he was asking about Jackson), but then reconsidered when he realized no one was looking for her yet (the longer a body decays, the harder an autopsy is). We do not know where they camped the night of the 26th or 27th, so it is also possible that Gabby died elsewhere, and Brian picked this new spot to leave her body. That might explain the book and other object if he had just arrived. He was bringing those from the front of the van and set them down. Then ducks inside the van when he hears a vehicle approaching. This could also be the scenario with the snapchat because they were camping elsewhere and headed to Yellowstone, but something happens, and he stops at new campsite to figure out what to do. But, do you all see why I am so stuck on that stupid book? Also, so many people have such outrageous theories. Please save them. The simplest explanation is usually the truth. Also, sorry if I don't used "killed" or "murder." I do think he is likely responsible for/contributed to her death, but I don't know if he intended to kill her.


super_common_name

They were spotted at the Opera House later that night, after the video of the van door closing. If it's true that they were at the Opera House, you're right that they were preparing to drive the van somewhere when the video was taken. So yes, the book in the video is there before Gabby's death, not after.


super_common_name

Gabby couldn't have been killed until after 10 pm the 27th at the very earliest and before afternoon the 29th at the latest. She was probably killed on the 28th. * August 24: Brian and Gabby leave Fairfield Inn hotel in SLC. * August 25: Gabby FaceTimes Mom, says she’s in Grand Teton National Park * August 25: The Happy Halloween Instagram is posted. Gabby is holding a pumpkin in front of the Monarch painting in Ogden, Utah (about 30 mins north of SLC.) The post has a fly emoji and a pumpkin emoji. Their trip was planned to end on Halloween, and they both loved Halloween. * August 25, 5 pm: Verified sighting of van by a couple at Jenny Lake parking lot in Grand Teton. [https://ksltv.com/472747/tipster-talks-about-spotting-gabby-petitos-van-in-grand-teton-national-park/](https://ksltv.com/472747/tipster-talks-about-spotting-gabby-petitos-van-in-grand-teton-national-park/) * August 26: Photographed at String Lake. * August 26: Brian is reported at Bullwinkle’s Bar alone. Two reliable witnesses who also saw van. * August 27: Gabby texts Mom and Snapchat-texts friend that she is heading to Yellowstone. * August 27: Last time Gabby liked photos on Instagram. * August 27: (Possibly around 1 pm.) The Merry Piglets Tex-Mex restaurant. Hostess, Waitress, Manager witnessed Petito in tears and Laundrie visibly angry, going into and out of the restaurant several times, continuing to show anger toward the staff around the hostess stand. * August 27: Text sent from Gabby's phone calling her grandpa “Stan” and asking them to help with his voicemails. * August 27, 6 pm: Van sighting on video. Door closing. Dark van. Tarp is missing. 3 new stickers: Venice, FL (Today is a Great Day, Cosmic Desert, Life is Good in the Woods.) * **August 27 until 10 pm**: Gabby & Brian reported at Opera House and Bar in Ashton, ID. Several people including an ex-cop were witnesses. Per Denise Simmons Perkins [https://m.facebook.com/SuffolkPD/photos/a.10155270459675441/1016585287722044](https://m.facebook.com/SuffolkPD/photos/a.10155270459675441/1016585287722044) * August 28: A woman sees Brian sitting on top of his van by himself at Spread Creek. * August 29: Gabby’s friend said they planned to talk on the phone on the 29th about meeting up in Yellowstone shortly after. Gabby never called. * **August 29, 5:30 pm:** Brian, alone, asks a couple in Colter Bay Village in Grand Teton for a ride to Jackson. He offers $200. Brian says his fiancé is in their van working on their social media and he had just spent a multiple days camping near the Snake River. 5 minutes into drive, after they turn off 191, Brian freaks out and quickly exits the car at Jackson Lake Dam. Drops him off at 6:09 PM.  [https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/gabby-petito-disappearance-tiktok-user-claims-she-picked-up-bian-laundrie-hiking-in-grand-teton-national-park](https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/gabby-petito-disappearance-tiktok-user-claims-she-picked-up-bian-laundrie-hiking-in-grand-teton-national-park) * August 29, 6:30 pm: Woman gives Brian a ride to Spread Creek. He won’t let her take him all the way to his van. * August 29 10 pm: Van reported by 2 elk hunters to be at campground east of Kelly. * August 29 11 pm: (This is unverified) But according to a YouTube commentator under Gabby’s channel, a witness saw Brian alone in the van pulled in at the gas station in Jackson. He was in a bad mood, cursing at himself while throwing garbage away and then driving away. [https://imgur.com/a/VUXIxds](https://imgur.com/a/VUXIxds) * August 30: Gabby’s phone sends text to friend to say she’s in Salt Lake City. Probably this text was delayed due to no service. * August 30: “Gabby” texts mom one last time saying “No service in Yosemite” (Gabby’s mom and friend don’t believe that text message came from her. Also the consensus is that "Yosemite" is a mistake and "Yellowstone" was meant. Brian makes this same mistake on August 12 when talking to police.) This text also may have been sent earlier and delayed due to no service. * August 31: (Unverified) - Someone’s sister works at the gas station in Benton Illinois and says that the FBI were there asking for video evidence on the case. He says that’s the last place where Gabby’s credit card was used. Apparently it was used at 2 different branches of the same gas station in the same town [https://youtu.be/NZJYlo5NAPo](https://youtu.be/NZJYlo5NAPo) 59:50 mark. * September 1: Brian arrives home to Florida in her van without Gabby. This is also the same day he downloads and listens to one last song about a decomposing corpse, “The Badger’s Wake” according to their Spotify.


Bad-Tasty

To toss a fun curve in to this absolutely shit situation. What if she did send the texts but no service they sat in pending. Brian starts driving and gets service and the texts send.


ms80301

All kinds of 'speculation' about finances-.. Who OWNED the c convertible mustang?? I cannot imagine it is actually owned by Brian-Anyone know the status of the 2 families? I thought after HS Brian's fam moved to Fla (why? no clue) Then I heard Brian was moving his stuff in fla Aug 17-24 due to parents divorcing-Not sure what is actually true-but if they are divorcing? The 2 living there? Must have been tense-anyone know the financial/work status of the families...I am interested because it would impact the likelihood of either Brian or Gabby asking for financial help-travel-even in a Van is NOT Free


Hlaucoin

So we've all heard of Florida man, but the reason this is a thing is because of a law in Florida that allows the press and/or public to have access to police reports. So I'm curious why we don't have more information on the status of the Laundries; being as they're in Florida? I'm sure that someone out there can site the actual law or whatever it is and explain. I'm also aware that law or whatever probably doesn't apply to the FBI, but should apply to everything prior to them taking over.


Ari_Di

Arrest / pending court cases are public record to everyone through the Clerk of court accesible online but if there’s no arrest or charges there’s no info.


CHILLIOVERDOSE

The flight pattern of the police choppet shows they are currently searching a strip of the reserve. [https://imgur.com/gallery/htRGXjI](https://imgur.com/gallery/htRGXjI) ​ [https://www.radarbox.com/@27.13719,-82.33477,z12](https://www.radarbox.com/@27.13719,-82.33477,z12)


CHILLIOVERDOSE

https://www.radarbox.com/flight/N118FW interesting flight pattern form the sarasota sherrif and florida wildlife commission choppers. Law enforcement have now restricted flights over the reserve


Crunchyywaterrhemp

theyve been using high altitude drones so that might be way


FuzzySize

I think he drove home with her phone and that’s why the text messages send on the 30th about yosemite, gabby probably tried sending way before but because there’s literally no service at all where she was camping maybe it just sent very late? On the 27th she was active on Instagram, which means she was somewhere with service and ended up back in the spread creek area somehow


Bennyman10

BE is live!


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BmoneyD

What?


redheadstranger76

lol LR is becoming a disaster


Lwlnote

?


canadiancutiepie

Wot m8


Aliencj

Bullshit troll


Environmental-Meal14

If you are watching some form of media and have a question about it, please link said media. TYIA and fuck the Laundries.


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Amandyovo

Seen it posted a few times here, I wouldn’t believe anything until it’s confirmed


saltedriver

The cops in Utah really fucked up.


Cattywampus_22

I've got to say, this guy just lays it out there. He's an ex-cop and it's interesting to hear what he says about the DV stop. This is the second of a couple videos. Watch part 1 first. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNTaTfRtqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNTaTfRtqA)


AskMeIfEyeCare

make that 80% of everybody in UTah


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mcnegyis

Everyone here was praising them a couple days ago


wallsarecavingin

I was always surprised by this!!!


Teachyoselff2

Not all of us!


gallipoli300

Utah police were called because witnesses claim they saw Brian slap Gabby several times on the main street sidewalk. But the police did NOTHING. million dollar lawsuit.


candyapplesugar

What is the theory about why he asked those people for a $200 ride? Why was he so far from the van in the first place? (Sorry I’m late)


stahleybrn

I believe it was after she was dead and he was making a trip into town to buy supplies he needed to take care of her body. And after the first couple that gave a ride dropped him off at some parking lot, why hasn’t anyone else come forward that spoke to him or gave him a ride?


Novel-Jackfruit-369

To craft an alibi. To take a shower


Material_Cook_4698

Get to an ATM to get a lot of drive home $$$


Busy-Assignment-4201

The theory is he wanted an alibi. They would Remer someone offering $200 for a ride


Yu-piter

Doubt that's the reason


aaryno

I don't know why so many people are fixated on this as an alibi. It's absurd. A much simpler explanation is that he told the truth; that he left Spread Creek on 8/26 or 8/27 and hiked up the Snake River alone, leaving Gabby at the van. It explains why there are two sets of sandals behind the van: hers and his. Remember he was wearing boots when he was picked up. It explains why he was clean (Colter Bay has showers and a laundromat in the same building/same room). It explains where there's no social media activity (Spread Creek has zero t-mobile service). Some people have suggested he didn't want Miranda to know he was going to Spread Creek. What people don't understand is that there's a major corridor between Colter Bay/GTNP and Jackson and very, very few people taking this corridor are familiar with Spread Creek. It's not a place 98% of GTNPers would go. It's just a place where boondockers can camp and not have to deal with fee campgrounds and park rangers. Getting a ride "to Jackson" would be pretty easy. Getting a ride "to Spread Creek" would be confusing. Easier just to get a ride to Jackson and have them let him off at Spread Creek Rd. In any case, if she HAD taken him down 191, there's no indication he wasn't going to ask to be let off at Spread Creek Road. He was upset that she was going the scenic way which doesnt go by his camp. I do think he was worked up and anxious to get back, and his state-of-mind was a precursor to him confronting and killing Gabby when he returned. Maybe he had talked himself into a weird mind space because he's crazy. Maybe he had taken her phone (remember he had taken her ID before?). We know he's jealous and paranoid. What if reading her text messages he read something about her leaving him or otherwise upsetting about their relationships? This could also explain his frame of mind when he returned, it fits the timeline that we know, and it also lines up with what he told Miranda. Last, the message to Stan also fits this story, especially if he took her phone with him. There's no service in Spread Creek so if he took the phone, at some point he would have gotten service, saw that Grandpa Stan left multiple voicemails, and annoyed, sent a message to Gabby's mom to help him. A rather innocent explanation all around, except for the fact that Gabby doesn't have the phone at this point.


Worldly-Ad3272

Where does it show 2 sets of sandals outside the van? I can only see one set. I think the text message to the mom about grandpa/stan disputes this. Then the phone gets turned off. I don't think it's likely for him to leave her alone and take her phone. She stay in a hotel in Salt Lake City so she wouldn't have to stay alone in the van. I put this elsewhere too, but here are some of my thoughts: So, as far as I understand (correct anything that is wrong, please): They were spotted at the Jenny Lake August 25th. It was also on August 25th, that Gabby did her last facetime (saying she was in Grand Teton National park) and Instagram post. In the evening of August 27th: \-there is the video of the youtube couple passing her van. In the video, the door of the van definitely closes as they approach. Also, behind the van are a pair of flop flops and a book with an object on top of it (people have suggested cellphone, but I highly doubt it.) Also, in this video you can see logs that cross a ditch (confirmed from the new video from the daily mail now that the area has opened again). I would have guessed Gabby and Brian would have set up their tent on the other side of the ditch/bushes, more privacy/better scenery. \-Gabby's mom gets a strange text, "Can you help Stan, I just keep getting his voicemails and missed calls." Stan is Gabby's grandfather and never refers to him as stan, so this is likely not sent by Gabby. However, it is possible that Gabby would have Brian sometimes send texts for her (I sometimes have friends send texts for me if I am busy with something- but I think this unlikely). \-supposedly Gabby snapchatted her friend saying "Headed to Yellowstone." This friend has only spoken to one news outlet and not gone to the police, which is weird, so not sure if this is reliable info. On August 29th: \-two Elk spotters see the van in the same place as the youtube video had shown it on the 27th. \-Brian hitchhikes from Coulter Bay (approx 16 miles, 5 hours from where the van is parked) to the Jackson Lake Dam. Supposedly initially saying he wanted to go to Jackson and offered $200 (where did he get $200? Did he ever pay anything? Was he ever intending to pay anything?). Supposedly he freaked out when heard Jackson Hole, but I think the other theory that I have heard about them turning off to take the other route that doesn't go passed the Spread Creek camping area (where the van is parked) makes more sense. So, here is my thinking: \-Something happened between the 25th and 27th. Although I would guess the 27th because that is the date of the weird Stan/grandpa text on her phone and the book and other object. \*\*Let me explain why I am caught up on this book and other object. \-They are neatly placed on the ground behind the van. They are not in any disarray. \-I am thinking the top object is maybe sunblock/bug spray, maybe a flashlight (there is something in there vanlife video that looks like a light that could be it but seems too small). These aren't objects that you just keep there while you are camping. They are likely set down while closing or opening the doors. Also, they are likely able to be held in one hand so you'd only put them down if you have things in the other. Or, you might set them down if you planned to take them back with you when leaving the van again (ex: you are going to get a snack from the van and carry your book and object with you), but just leave them outside so you can bring them back to the tent with you. You definitely don't leave them overnight, so in my thinking, they are objects from that day. \-One is a BOOK. A BOOK. Would you read a book after someone just died? Would you carry a book to put back in the van after someone just died? The only think I could maybe think of is if it was book of national trail maps and he was trying to find a way to Coulter Bay. \-To me, this scene of the van looks like a completely normal one of people camping. Someone going back to change clothes, sets down their book and other object, closes door when vehicle approaches because they are changing or just don't want to talk to anyone. Or, if Gabby, she might be more on guard since she is a woman. \-But, this book is what is making me think that the 27th is the day. Whether it is before or after the youtube video was shot. I don't think we have been told when the mom got the weird text from Gabby on the 27th, right? If the friend is legit about Yellowstone, it would also seem like that would have been sent by Gabby. Why would Brian think to send something like that? I could see the book and object being 2 things there were going to take to the front of the van and use while driving and so maybe that is why they were set out. Correct me if I am wrong, but Yellowstone is 1-2 hours away, but I think it would be pretty late (6-6:30pm) for them to be getting started. They would need to find a campsite/setup in the dark. So, one theory is they were about to leave and something happened and Gabby died/was killed and the youtubers drive by later in the day while Brian is still figuring out what to do. So, something happens to Gabby on the 27th. (The weird text shows the phone changed hands, but the book indicates that the day began normally.) Now, his expedition to Coulter Bay. Why? \-Some have suggested he went to Coulter Bay to shower/wash up after murdering her. I don't think this makes sense. There was a creek right by where they camped that he could have cleaned himself up in. Also, why wouldn't he drive? \-The other theory is that he went there to create a fake alibi that he was camping for a few days, but that doesn't seem to make sense because he messes up his alibi by sending that text about Yosemite, and NOT reporting her missing when he gets back to the van and instead taking the van to FL. Unless his tactic was to just create a lot of confusion. He may not be the smartest dude. \-The other theory is that he freaked after she was dead and he just ran/hiked away and it took some time for him to process what happened. \-What I think is possible is that he needed something to make the van work. Gas? The battery ran dead? Another part? This would explain why he hitchhikes back instead of walks because whatever he bought was heavy. Although they picked him up in the marina parking lot (?), and I think the gas station/convenience store is before that. It is also possible that the van not working is what caused a disagreement with him and Gabby on the 27th: they were all packed to go to Yellowstone, Gabby sends the snapchat to her friend, and the van won't start. Arguing ensues, something happens. \-But, otherwise, why leave the van and then return? Also, based on the timeline, he likely set out for Coulter Bay morning of the 29th, so what did he spend the 28th doing? Burying her? It is still possible he intended to flee (and why he was asking about Jackson), but then reconsidered when he realized no one was looking for her yet (the longer a body decays, the harder an autopsy is). We do not know where they camped the night of the 26th or 27th, so it is also possible that Gabby died elsewhere, and Brian picked this new spot to leave her body. That might explain the book and other object if he had just arrived. He was bringing those from the front of the van and set them down. Then ducks inside the van when he hears a vehicle approaching. This could also be the scenario with the snapchat because they were camping elsewhere and headed to Yellowstone, but something happens, and he stops at new campsite to figure out what to do. But, do you all see why I am so stuck on that stupid book? Also, so many people have such outrageous theories. Please save them. The simplest explanation is usually the truth. Also, sorry if I don't used "killed" or "murder." I do think he is likely responsible for/contributed to her death, but I don't know if he intended to kill her.


Trx3_M3

I also have been wondering if she was alive when he left and killed her on the 29th. But other reports say they didn't like being apart from each other, so I can't come up with a reasonable explanation for him hiking away from her unless it was to cool off because they were fighting.


sannababy

I posted this a few days ago on another [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/pq7iss/comment/hdcjvgg/?context=3), but here's something I've been speculating on –– >*I've been thinking about this interaction a lot, and I'm wondering if it had something to do with Brian disposing of Gabby's phone. Hear me out:* *Brian gets in the car with TikTok Woman + BF (TTW & TTB), thinking that they're going to be traveling a long distance away from Snake River. He brings Gabby's phone, intending to drop it beneath the seat of the car and let it ride off into the distance –– then, if LE attempts to track it, it will be at whatever random location these people end up at, and Gabby could reasonably have been the one to hitch with them –– it's his word against their's, and with her phone in the car, he could try to create reasonable doubt that they in fact committed a crime and are responsible for Gabby's disappearance.* *TTW talks about BL freaking out when he realized that their final location was Jackson and immediately asking to be let out of the car. Maybe this was because once he realized they were local, he realized his plan to leave G's phone in the car wouldn't work, as it would be too close to the location of her body –– so before he can drop the phone, he gets out and attempts to find another driver he can set up*. This makes more sense (IMO) than attempting to create an alibi, as planting her cell phone on another person would certainly create enough reasonable doubt for a jury to let him walk.


super_common_name

That would be clever, but it's doubtful that's what he had in mind. Because now a second woman has come forward to say he got a ride from her back to Spread Creek. He asked the first couple to take him to Jackson, so it seems like the reason he freaked out is that they turned onto a route that takes them away from Spread Creek. (There are two routes, and he wanted the route that passed by Spread Creek.)


aaryno

I think the explanation of his interaction with Miranda is a lot simpler if Gabby's still alive at the van. It means that everything he tells her is accurate and, other than the offer of $200, is perfectly logical for someone who wants to get back to the camp where their fiance is. Here's the full transcript of Miranda Baker's first tiktok video on Brian: Hi, My name is Miranda Baker and on August 29 my boyfriend and I picked up Brian at Grand Teton National Park at 5:30 at night at Colter Bay. Um, I'm hoping this can help identify him because I saw him from tiktok which then made me call the authorities and, um, my boyfriend and I have been in contact with a bunch of different people to help, um, piece together different parts of the case but we picked up at Colter Bay like I said at 5:30. He approached us aasking for a ride  because he needed to go to Jackson which we were going to Jackson that night so I said "Hop in", he hops in the back of my jeep. We then you know proceeded to make small talk but before he came in the car he offered to pay us like $200. To give him a ride. Like 10 miles, so that was kinda weird. He then told us he was camping for multiple days without his fiance. He did say he had a fiance and that she was working on their social media page back at their van. Then once in conversation I said, "Yup, we're going to Jackson," and he freaked out. He's like "Nope, I need to get out right now. you know, like pull over." So we pulled over at the Jackson Dam which, well I don't know if you know Grand Teton Park but it's not very far from Colter Bay and if this does reach people I can post pictures of exactly where we were, where we picked him up, and the whole route or whatever and screenshot with timestamps. We dropped him off at 6:09pm on august 29th. He kind of like hurried out of the car and then he's like, "Alright, I guess I'm gonna go find someone else to hitchhike," and we're like, "ok." It was a weird situation. So when we picked him up he was wearing a backpack, he had a long sleeve pant, hiking boots and... he had like scruff but, um, he didn't look dirty. For someone who was camping for like multiple days, he didn't look dirty, he didn't smell dirty., so that part was kind of weird...  And I'm just really hoping they find her and this helps someone like remember seeing him or you know, something like that.  A couple things that make me think the freak-out is actually pretty normal. This is what she says: "Then once in conversation I said, 'Yup, we're going to Jackson,' and he freaked out." We know this happened near the dam, probably right after he noticed they turned off 191. Her response is "Yup, we're going to Jackson", which indicates she is answering a question from Brian. This could easily have gone down like this: ... small talk about him hiking and going back to his fiance at the van where she's working on their social media page... *Jeep turns right toward the dam.* Brian, distressed that they are not going towards his camp: "I thought you were going to Jackson." Miranda (who is a UW-Oshkosh student in Wisconsin and may not know there are two routes to Jackson): "Yup, we're going to Jackson." Another note about the $200 offer. She says "To give him a ride. Like 10 miles". This indicates that he told her and her boyfriend he didn't need to go all the way to Jackson, which is 40 miles from Colter Bay Village. Spread Creek Rd is 14 miles from Colter Bay. I don't think he's hiding his destination to a hitchhiker who is *going to drop him off at or near his campsite*. I think this is completely reasonable behavior from someone who is trying to get back to their camp, though the offer of $200 is strange. And I as I said before, Colter Bay Village has a laundromat and shower. When I was there in early august there were a half dozen backpackers doing laundry and showering while I did my own laundry.


thecheeseman29

Keep seeing alibi. I more lean towards just freaked out over what happened and stumbling around to figure out his plan who knows


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StruggleIsReal0306

Untrue


Competitive_Grab_831

Haha what?


delaneycashmoney

IIRC, it was a homeless guy, not Brian.


leftupoutside

If cops had truly demanded to just SEE BL before he went into hiding, they’d potentially have a lot more clues of what went down. If he strangled her to death, he would possibly have some healing scratches on his hands.


Anticrepuscular_Ray

They had no legal recourse to demand that.


Shebelievesinmagic

I haven’t wanted to be so vulgar but since you said it first😅 that’s all I’ve been thinking since he had the scratches on his arms. Scratches on your arms are from choking someone … I’m sure he would’ve had marks after the last altercation


Silent_Win116

I dont understand why would brian kill her? What could urge someone to kill someone they supposedly love. Even if they were arguing why go for killing or any violence at all? I dont understand


Lazynamepicker

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she decides to leave her abuser. He was afraid she was going to break up with him and had threatened to leave her stranded. Maybe she finally decided to dump him, after the talk with the woman ranger who said it was a toxic relationship and she should get out. He gets the vibe that she really is going to leave, so he kills her. Happens ALL. THE. TIME.


Bazzie-Joots

My theory is they were fighting. He might have been abusing. She got hysterical and loud like what previously got the cops called. He didn’t want the cops called again because he was probably wink wink told one or both would be arrested at that point. So he smothered her to “calm her down”. This has been my theory and to me, it follows a pattern established in the body can footage.


Lombo76

Do you live in Disney World?!? It's a mad mad world.


No_Priority_3120

There are a minority of bad people in this world and sometimes they do bad things that seem illogical to good people.


No-Negotiation8955

Sometimes all it takes is one punch or somebody hitting their head the wrong way. I think it was something like that


Yu-piter

They got on each other's last nerve and he snapped. My guess. He could have choked her and shed die in like 2 minutes


throwawaylol666666

Have you been to planet Earth before? This sort of thing happens a lot, unfortunately.


BGC82819

especially with, potentially, their bare hands in the middle of a campground. It isn't like they were at home and she shoved her and hit her head on the counter or something.


gallipoli300

Did you ever have a crazy ex boyfriend or girlfriend? Just sayin…..


Emu2302

The parents house and sisters house both had LE show up with papers tonight after the search concluded at the parents house. What do we think they were serving? Would they notify them before Brian is named a suspect/charged? Subpoenas to be interviewed?


InsaneNoobz

Not likely. They cannot name him a suspect or charge him for anything until there is a crime and probably cause. Prior to the autopsy and determination of COD, they would not be contacting the family of anything like this. Doing so could lead to evidence being thrown out in court.


SaskiLove

I personally don’t think they would notify him in fear they would tip him off. BUT on the other hand, they could’ve to see if they will contact him. Either way it’s fishy.


mad_intuition

It’s probably a receipt for items taken during the search.


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Emu2302

Did the sister’s get searched?


Ok-Attempt8183

anyone else still trying to keep up with crystal and kylen’s case ?


32374086

Yeah, who killed them? Those poor girls are getting completely overshadowed by Gabby and Brian.


queenofsomethinghere

Yes, but haven’t checked today. Are there any updates?


Throwaway4philly1

No but whats the update? Im guessing it was that creepy guy that did it but do they have any real clues on who did it?


gallipoli300

Who?


Ok-Attempt8183

they were a couple murdered in the same area & kylen was working at the bar that the domestic dispute w/ gabby happened. was incorporated into many early theories of her disappearance but after police said it was unrelated it was just kinda dropped in media


delaneycashmoney

Couple who was stalked and killed recently in the same area


drunkenkyle

I miss the live stream :(


IrrationalBowler

There's going to come a time when it stops entirely.


Typical_Example

BL’s parents immoral actions covering up for him makes me curious how they treated Gabby at home. She very well could’ve been caught in a web of abuse with the whole family. It wouldn’t be uncommon for them to gaslight her, the victim, by minimizing his actions, flipping the script, making it seem like things were her fault, that she was weak, overreacting, etc., and that their golden boy could do no wrong. Completely speculation, but seeing how coldly they reacted to her disappearance makes me side-eye their relationship, and character, in general.


Smithers416

I think they might have tolerated her just for BLs sake but didn’t make a complete attachment- also a year is not very long. And they seem to go out and do their own thing meaning they might have not spent a lot of time there. Had she posted made the family dinner or him and BLs parents it would be a diff story.


wistfulpistil

Happened to me moving out of state with my then fiancé—I left asap


KattMarinaMJ

They have left a lot of space for us to fill in with assumptions with the lack of talking they've done. This definitely seems plausible. It's miserable (but very possible) to think that that was her reality.


4Rbruhhh

Yes. This. I 100% believe this has been going on for awhile.


Smithers416

This happens at lot. It usually takes about 2-5 years before parents or grandparents accept a S/O she probably felt she either had to smile and keep her mouth shut or she was outspoken and they didn’t like it. Also not stated if they felt why isn’t she paying rent or buying groceries. Help clean etc, she was young so I’m assuming she was just staying there working and saving money so they probly felt a bit of angst.


Besthookerintown

It makes sense but your imagination is really running wild and far too specific.


hungry_helmet

THIS! 100% what’s been itching in my head.


Shebelievesinmagic

There was some speculation on TikTok that BLs mental state slowly deteriorated over their trip and that he didn’t used to always be such a loon


Constant_Tribulation

Her friend said she was going to meet her at a bar and couldn’t find her ID because Brian has stolen it out of her wallet. Pretty psychotic to me. He also had no friends. There’s usually a reason for that.


taylormhark

Definitely possible for a male at that age


waitingtodiesince93

See the part that's so sad to me is the lack of perspective. Like, it's ok to get mad at each other. I have some married friends that had physical fights with their spouses years ago; that's pretty fucked up but physical abuse isn't an automatic ticket to intimate partner murder, no matter what some Duluth model proponents believe. Abusers *can* change, just like addicts can. They can *definitely* change if their aberrant behavior is aggravated by an untreated mental illness or addiction. It takes a hell of a lot of work. BL fucked his life up and completely destroyed the life of GP and her family because he had no chill, which is the opposite of his public persona. They were/are 22 and 23. That's *nothing*. Even if they thought they were each other's soul mate or whatever, if they ended their relationship they'd just be a blip on each other's timeline by the time they were 30. I'm in my late 20's (a 50 year old would say *I* have no perspective) and have majorly cleaned up my life after going through some horrible addiction issues in my early 20's. The relationships that I thought were so important and profound back then are nothing to me now. When you're 22 you don't even have the benefit of having lived a decade as an adult to know how much 5 or ten years can really change things. Seems like the guy went full wacko instead of just being like "ya know, this road trip showed me we're probably not a great fit." What a tragedy.


Ergoboy217

When I was in my early twenties my dad used to tell me "I'd never give anything to be your age again!" It puzzled me, because I was young and thought I had all the answers to life. What a fool I was. Now that I'm his age, I agree. Neither of those two had any perspective about life and relationships, and it ended tragically.


withoutthek

The problem with your early 20s is everything is huge and you don’t have the perspective you need. There’s no hindsight. There’s not a lot of life experience there to fall back on. It’s a really vulnerable time IMO. You’re not confident, you’re not sure who you are, love is so exciting, etc etc. It’s heartbreaking.


wistfulpistil

Angry argues can mellow, but domestic abusers do not change in the majority . They actually pretend to to lure their victim back (Hoover) . Glad to hear you and yours all healthily matured.


Apprehensive_Ad2685

Preach!


Yu-piter

He's a sociopath. He's not just an abuser


IrrationalBowler

I think you give him too much credit, honestly.


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szykopath

> email it comes up under BL’s mother’s name which That wasn't about her actual account, but rather the email that people (allegedly) are saying comes back to her mom is the email associated with another instagram called "gabipetitoo" that was making posts trying to demand people "stop harassing brian and his family", claiming to be her and that she was fine and getting medical treatment, etc. Who knows though take it with a grain of salt, but if that's the case, I hope the whole family goes down for this shit


whaddupk

That theory is about an imitation account, @gabspetitoo , and it is weird, but they’re implying that the mom created it to post those comments about saving face.


AshesofCreations

It could be she was under the plan. Family plans are often cheaper. She could have still been paying the bill. My gf was under my family's phone plan for years even for awhile after breaking up. Most come with a general email linked to it.


SaskiLove

I am under some one else’s plan but i have my own email so i am not sure, honestly. I do not think so though.


WaddupThugsBunny

Will wait for the autopsy results of course but seeing the creek where she was found there's a lot of large rocks. I could see this being a heat of the moment thing where he pushed her and she tripped and hit her head on the rocks? Could very easily kill someone. It would also make sense if his family is protecting him because he told them it was a complete accident/he was defending himself and didn't mean to push her so hard. Which is why no one's speaking because they knew what happened but are siding with him on it being an accident. With the previous bodycam footage if Brian is found I'd have to imagine this is the defense route they are going to take. Of course assuming no other evidence of foul play is found.


Key-Consideration530

I thought about that too but a)we don't know where she was killed b)I don't see really large rocks (though if there were any the FBI would have gotten them for examination)and c) even in that case it would still be a manslaughter = felony.


Keyboardstokes

It’s not a hiking area


WaddupThugsBunny

It looks like a river by the van. Maybe they were washing off or getting water, idk. The autopsy should reveal all. Of course if it shows strangulation or something this goes out the window and he placed her there. I'm just curious if it'll show head trauma consisting with a fall.


Agreeable_Variety_29

Yes I've had your same thought. Assuming what you've typed is true, the right lawyer might be able to get him off the hook. The problem is the silence afterwards. That might be hard to justify to a jury. But if Casey Anthony can get away with her shit...anyone can.


tracyymartell

Yup yup if the Laundries get Jose Baez it's a wrap he's a free man


slimcaiti

They can try but this still points to him leaving her for dead. Not seeking help out of fear people will point fingers at him? Nothing excuses leaving her due to accident


Frankiepals

No. You would call for an ambulance because you wouldn’t know if she’s dead or just really hurt. You wouldn’t just go back to Florida and lawyer up.


Experience155

What? He didn't justify him in this situation, only wanted input on if it was plausible.


Zanzan567

Everybody reacts differently in these types of situations, there is no definite answer on what someone would do


MobilePrinciple6633

This!


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Significant_Ad7605

Exactly, take literally 5 minutes to poke around and you will find the mods have done a good job, with FAQs, a timeline, etc. 95% of the information here is repetitive.


sunzusunzusunzusunzu

So appreciated.


MySiliconSoul

Who you talking to?


onelove1979

Like this comment?


Bazzie-Joots

Like you just did? lol you’re not replying to anyone hahah


Own-Dealer4831

Yeah I’m pretty sure for every repeated question there are 100 snarky comments attacking the repetitive question. 10x more annoying scrolling through the bitching than it is reading the genuine questions/comment but I digress…


Pugs1985

They're the type of person who replies to all telling everyone to stop replying to all thinking they are doing something good.


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RckYouLkeAHermanCain

So who's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to come here?


tcap-daisy

Literally no one


Anticrepuscular_Ray

You should prob get out of her subreddit then


Besthookerintown

The case itself is intriguing. You can just go be an asshole somewhere else though?


tcap-daisy

What is intriguing about it tho?? Could u elaborate a little bit ?? Trying to understand


Doge_Malone

People love a good murder mystery.


cabinet_door

…why are you here?


HonestManufacturer1

Damn this edginess just got me horny


Aliencj

She doesnt hide behind filters that's why


rilljel

You can go


pequaywan

Go away.


caseylk

Why are you on the sub?


tcap-daisy

To get my question u just commented under answered duhh lol


One_Raspberryy

Jealous you’re not in the limelight huh


_basquiat

UM, she died. Have some respect.


tcap-daisy

So what ?? Approximately 120 ppl die every single minute


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ifondlesand

> Just want to say it will suck if BL's art becomes valuable. Omg is this an original hitler painting?


slimcaiti

What art. Everything he does is a copy, sorry “inspired by” something else….


quashleigh

This has crossed my mind


RepresentativeEven73

I don’t know about you guys but I would personally have paid at least $400 for one of those one of a kind family guy bookmarks before this all happened.