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sunzusunzusunzusunzu

The parents were escorted to the minivan, then back into the home. The FBI is focusing on a backyard shed.


drummingcraig

Here is my guess of what's happened up till this point: Brian killed Gabby in a fit of rage (probably had been boiling since "she got them pulled over"/sarcasm). Not sure what he did between the murder and arriving back in FL, but once home he likely sold his folks a sob-story about her leaving him/cheating on him/breaking his heart/etc, and that she had disappeared. He looked for her but couldn't find her and fears something happened to her. They contact their attorney, tell them the situation and he advises them not to discuss it with law enforcement or anyone. They don't want to help/communicate/talk with Gabby's parents because they're mad that "their daughter broke their son's heart and was abusive to him". (NOTE: Making that assumption without knowing the relationships between the Laundrie & Petito families prior to this mess. If they were close then this doesn't really make sense, but if they were distant then it works). Meanwhile, Brian is busy tampering with evidence at parents house. Decides to ditch murder weapon(s) in the Carlton Reserve under the auspice of "going on a hike". Ditches weapon and takes off on the run. After no contact for a day or two the parents go to look for him, find the Mustang and bring it back to their house. By this time they are starting to see through his act, and report him missing. Brian is likely trying to make his way out of the country (maybe Mexico as has been suggested) by any means. /theory


Psyentizt

This entire theory seems to presume Brian's parents don't have access to the internet. I'm sure they're well aware of exactly how they and their son are being portrayed and/or perceived in the media.


drummingcraig

At this point, absolutely. But the media frenzy didn't pick up steam until he had been home for what, a week and a half or more? I doubt they were busy deep diving on reddit and twitter during that first week or so (or even now for that matter). By the time the story really took hold they may have already started to question things, but as a parent myself I am sure I would be giving every inch I could before coming to terms with my child being a murderer. I am sure they probably figured it out really quickly once Brian disappeared last week, and at the point their attorney probably doubled down on his advice of not speaking about it. Just report him missing and wait for the search warrants.


iAliceAddertounge

He was missing 6 days and his family reported him missing. Just clarification


IlyenatheMilkSop

Are there other missing women??


drummingcraig

There were two women found murdered and originally there was the possibility of it being connected, but according to this article it was unrelated, so I will edit my post to remove that reference! [https://www.fox13news.com/news/utah-sheriff-actively-investigating-possible-connection-between-gabby-petito-disappearance-and-double-murder](https://www.fox13news.com/news/utah-sheriff-actively-investigating-possible-connection-between-gabby-petito-disappearance-and-double-murder)


curiousredditfan1

Why the hell the house wasn't under surveillance is redicolous. I read that he has many cops in his family. Perhaps they have helped him escape. Just a theory.


Im_Not_That_Droid

The house wasn't under surveillance because being "a person of interest" in a missing person case doesn't make him a criminal, and being a missing person case is not indicative of a crime. She's just missing. If you want it to be a crime then someone has to have standing as a victim. How that works: The cops don't know why she's missing, she's an adult, and could have decided to disappear, as it were. They're not going to commit to surveillance without a crime for at least two reasons: 1) there isn't a crime, otherwise they'd have served a warrant earlier and her parents can't be victims because, again, GP is an adult--it doesn't matter if she's 18 or 40, they're not her legal guardians. Without a victim no one has legal standing to bring suit. In a murder case (I'm guessing here) either "the people" or the state have standing to do that. 2) for budgetary concerns (something all PDs have to contend with) and wiithout verification of a crime, they're not going to attempt to extend that budget without knowing they need to Also, they probably didn't even consider him a flight risk, because if he were why come home at all knowing what he'd be facing. Their thinking: "he must've known this much was going to happen,--that we'd find her body--in that knowledge why come home at all if he was going to go on the lam anyway." That's my takeaway. One more thing: if they haven't determined the cause of death, it's not implausible that it might be because of foul play. It'd be interesting to know if they've even attained an arrest warrant. If they haven't, he's still just missing person himself. That's not a crime.


neonnaturenurse

Where did the link go?


hollymariek

Did you guys hear the 911 call that was just released, where the caller said that he was slapping her? It’s at the top of this page if you want to listen: https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/gabby-petito-search-intensifies-for-brian-laundrie.amp?__twitter_impression=true


abclmaop

My goodness, how sad. I see a screen capture of her in tears and it just breaks my heart. I saw that video and could immediately tell he’s manipulative and abusive towards her based on what she was saying and acting. I’m sorry you were taken from this world so soon Gabby.


hollymariek

100% ☹️


ilovehaagen-dazs

its not loading for me but the rest of the page does :(


hollymariek

Oh no! I tried to find a new link for you, does this work? https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox8.com/news/listen-911-call-sheds-new-light-on-incident-before-gabby-petito-disappeared/amp/


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This should be enough to prove that BL was not the victim. And why did the Moab police officer cover this up?


ilovehaagen-dazs

Brian spotted in Alabama according to locals


lizphotowalkerx

[Possible body?](https://twitter.com/lailabelle24/status/1440018662581280772?s=21)


wethankie

Are there any pictures


ilovehaagen-dazs

[Here’s a text](https://twitter.com/lailabelle24/status/1439902314022772736?s=21) and here’s some [photos](https://twitter.com/up2datevids/status/1439785901169602560?s=21)


lizphotowalkerx

Is that a smile on his friggan face? Wtf


Muted-Succotash9366

it’s been circling for a minute now (that photo) and you would think if it wasn’t brian the guy would step up and be like “that’s me in that picture” or whatever.


wethankie

Ty


AcceptableCup6008

I am still in the camp that the parents most likely did not know this was going to turn into a "body found"/possible murder scenario. BL probably told them some story that they broke up or she went off with a friend and he came back early. I refuse to give BL the benefit of the doubt, but I will give it to his parents. They were advised not to speak by there lawyer, that doesnt mean they know every detail of what happened. EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I am not defending BL. I am not saying his parents are fully innocent. I just do not think it is right to make heavy accusative assumptions about his parents without any information.


BoinkBoinkEtAliae

I don't believe that at all, because they refused to respond to Gabby's parents when she initially went missing. If he gave them some half-baked but plausible excuse, they would have repeated that story to her parents. But they didn't. So they knew, and they knew enough not to incriminate themselves through texting her parents back. They also lied to police and said he was there when they hadn't actually seen him since Tuesday. So they also helped him escape however you want to slice it.


AcceptableCup6008

>ard to say when it comes to BL's parents...I have seen parental denial of what someone you raised is capable of; it is a powerful influence, and it would not surprise me if it factored in here. One thing is for sure - the parents are going to be under IMMENSE public pressure to explain themselves before this is all said and done. I am not saying they didn't know, I am saying its possible they were lied to. Someone said it in a comment below, the power of denial that your child is capable of horrific things is a strong one. Just because YOU or I would do the right thing doesnt mean everyone will. Yes the right thing would have been responding to her parents, even if it was "no we havent seen/talked to her". But not doing the right thing does not mean you automatically know someone was harmed. ​ I don't think we are going to see it the same way so we can agree to disagree. I am open to my statement being wrong when we have more information.


Professional_Ratio77

1. Well maybe not.. A lot of people in this climate refuse to talk to police or incriminate themselves in any fashion. True crime has been a huge thing for awhile now. Idc if I get pulled over for no turn signal not answering any questions. Not any. So although morally gross, it doesn't necessarily mean the parents knew specific details. I am leaning towards the parents are living in a special kind of hell and didn't know what to do when their son came home without her but had her vehicle. 2. Did they lie to police? By police do you mean locals? When the FBI spoke with them on Friday they told them they hadn't seen him since Tuesday. This is a serious question because I am not sure. 3. I doubt they find BL alive.


Mynameisinigomontya

He probably lied to them for sure, but for them to get a lawyer so quick like that likely means he didn't just say "I can't find her", and it was I found her dead or an accident happened. They wouldn't get a lawyer for not being able to find someone.


Slappamedoo

I don't buy that. If all they believed is that BL left her after a breakup and she turned out to be missing from being with a friend, I'd think any normal person would try to alibi their child out with that information and share what they know. I'm not saying BL didn't mislead them, but I doubt that story would be good enough to exercise their right to remain silent.


AcceptableCup6008

>believed is that BL left her after a breakup and she turned out to be missing from being with a friend, I'd think any normal person would try to alibi their child out with that information and share what they know. I'm not saying BL didn't mislead them, but I doubt that story would be good enough to exercise their right to remain silent. I agree for the most part. Normal people would do the right thing. I don't think his parents are fully innocent but I do not think they knew she was dead. If I am wrong I will be fine with that, but until that evidence comes out I don't want to assume.


Slappamedoo

That's fine. I don't think it's necessarily fair to rake the parents over the coals yet, but their behavior does seem suspect to me. But that's just my personal feeling.


ilovehaagen-dazs

I want to believe this but it's just so hard considering that Brian went missing while he was at his parents house. Like you said, they were advised not to speak by their lawyer, which is reasonable. Also, I know he could've easily lied to his parents ***or*** they could've known all along that he was going on the run. I'm torn by it. I don't know what to think when it comes to his parents.


Hmmm79

Agree, it is hard to say when it comes to BL's parents...I have seen parental denial of what someone you raised is capable of; it is a powerful influence, and it would not surprise me if it factored in here. One thing is for sure - the parents are going to be under IMMENSE public pressure to explain themselves before this is all said and done.


ScottishTeaGenie

I hope the FBI makes sure Gabby's parents get all of her possessions back from that house after this case gets closed. They will be wanting her things away from these people..


Muted-Succotash9366

it’s nice to still see some empathy here. I can’t stop thinking about her little brother. his posts about her before she went missing are what made me cry finally, how terrible for her family and people that loved her to have nothing of hers, no information, no idea exactly what happened and no way to beat the fuck out of BL bc that’s what i would do.


justfolktales

I hope so too.


censoreddawg

Is he even wanted at this point? Does he have some sort of travel restrictions? Like if he showed up at an airport this afternoon and wanted to buy a ticket to Thailand would the FBI swoop in and stop him from going? There's no arrest warrant I take it. Are there restrictions law enforcement can put on you if you're not under arrest?


Mynameisinigomontya

Autopsy isn't back yet. But because they are doing things like searching the shed, I suspect there were visible indications a weapon was used or foul play. He should be a suspect soon


ilovehaagen-dazs

He is not legally wanted, but they are looking for him. Before Gabby was found, legally, I don't think they could've stopped him from leaving the country (according to journalists and attorney's who were interviewed about this case across the country) because there was no proof that *he, himself* committed a crime related to Gabby. Still now, there is no evidence that the public knows of that Brian was the one that caused Gabby's death, therefore he is not *legally* wanted, just missing. Now that they found her body, I'm not sure if he's allowed to leave the country (unless they find that Gabby was *indeed* killed by Brian).


Slappamedoo

He hasn't been declared a suspect but the FBI securing a search warrant and detaining his parents, it's a pretty decent sign that he'll be publicly declared to be a suspect soon. Especially if the autopsy finds evidence of potential murder.


encapsulated_me

I don't think he's on any no-fly list but if they could get a search warrant for his house, based on HER death, I think they have enough to bring him in as a suspect, now. Doesn't mean he will talk but they didn't have a body before, now they do.


Muted-Succotash9366

I don’t have much knowledge bc ive never flown, but i’ve obviously seen a lot of movies, videos, and news about planes 😂😂 i’ve seen people get out on a no fly for random shit, do you think even if he’s not considered a suspect the airport has the right to deny him a flight? like maybe if they think of something to keep him from flying. i’m not explaining myself well but i’m trying lol


shanefalco__16

They have search warrants to look for more evidence to charge somebody with a crime. Search warrants are speculation until they find more evidence


encapsulated_me

So are a lot of interrogations, they can bring him in for questioning without charging him with any crime. We don't even know if they have evidence of homicide yet, there hasn't been an autopsy. (that doesn't mean there isn't knowledge, I'm sure if her skull had a huge fracture the FBI knows about it)


shanefalco__16

If you have no evidence of a crime, you cannot force somebody in for questioning. This is what is happening, they have no evidence on him, this is why he is a person of interest still. In theory he could go anywhere he wants too.


crazyloomis

This is so sad and I feel so sorry for Gabbys family. When they released info about finding a body I just lost it.


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smartfbrankings

Chances are he told them some story where he was horribly unlucky and will look guilty, so they need to protect him.


VegetableTerrible942

Yeah maybe. I only bring up that they are buffoons because other than being sneaky and evil it is the only other explanation.


smartfbrankings

It depends what kind of lie he told them and how convincing it was. He could have easily said she left him and ran away with some guy she met on the road. And it might be reasonable to believe that until she was reported missing. Then once she is reported missing, lawyer up time.


QuantityHot6752

I have to wonder if their lawyer has realized yet that he's in over his head and has told them to get another lawyer as soon as possible. IIRC, someone said that he's primarily a real estate attorney, and he's also in New York. Does anyone know, was he a family friend or something? I'm pretty sure this has gone way out of his area of expertise since the bulk of his criminal experience covers drugs, DUI's, traffic offenses, burglaries, sexual offenses, and assault & battery. Also, if he's not authorized to practice in Florida, he's not going to be much use to the Laundrie's moving forward.


Im_Not_That_Droid

I don't think Florida has jurisdiction. If they determined it to be homicide, he'd have to be tried in WY after they sued for his extradition. FL could certainly question and hold him, but ultimately the case is for Wyoming. Edit: since he ran ti FL there should be a federal aspect to it, also. In that case the FBI has a role since it crosses state lines.


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Im_Not_That_Droid

I failed to even consider that much. Good point.


Mynameisinigomontya

There are ppl on twitter who outed the lawyers address. Which means his family could be harrased or worse. He should step down.


QuantityHot6752

Now see, that's a damn shame. Twitter has gotten really bad about that stuff lately. A few months back there was a story of a Karen carrying on at a Victoria's Secret, and a lot of people on twitter started saying she was related to another woman who was a police officer. They started harassing this poor woman only to have her make a statement to the effect that she wasn't related and had never met the woman before. Despite that, people kept bothering her for hours after!


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The family just knew him, worked with him before. This is hearsay.


skycaster15

If they decide to keep him (they really shouldnt) he can request to be pro hac vice which will allow him to practice in Florida alongside a licensed Florida lawyer.


minlatedollarshort

>he's primarily a real estate attorney LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, that might at least explain part of why this is such a shitshow.


Slappamedoo

As much as I hate, from a human compassion perspective, that Brian's parents haven't at minimum said they don't know anything to respond to Gabby's parents' pleas, advising your clients to keep quiet is the right thing to do as an attorney whether it's your area of focus or not.


TRUMP_LARPs_WITH_PEE

Probably part of the plan. If they ever get charged they can go to a judge and cry that they had inadequate representation.


FirstFarmOnTheLeft

Ineffective assistance of counsel is something that could be claimed on appeal, not at this early stage. Any competent judge would likely say something if this family really proceeds to criminal trial with a real estate attorney - which certainly won't happen. I'm sure the real estate attorney is advising them to get a criminal defense attorney b/c otherwise he looks ethically questionable himself and I doubt he wants to risk his own professional reputation for these people.


kaseyeaton

Was it ever verified that he in did fly home for a few days to help “move” their stuff out of storage? All this went down when he supposedly returned to the motel? Why did her dad have to order pizza for her…. Why couldn’t she?


FirstFarmOnTheLeft

A podcast I listened to said that the dad said he ordered the pizza b/c they said they were too low on money. But no I believe he returned from his flight home on 8/23 to a hotel and hotel security footage shows them leaving on 8/24. So this stuff happened after that.


kaseyeaton

But what did he really go home for? That part of the time like makes no sense to me. It was like he came back and got mad about something? What ticked him off? Was it something back home or when he returned?


FirstFarmOnTheLeft

No idea. Pure speculation, but it seems like there was quite a bit of tension happening between them, escalating to assault even, so I'd guess one of these altercations progressed to murder.


mrs_piggy_25

Where are the live streams again?


hotpotato112

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrGyDZpPt8c


ilovehaagen-dazs

This is the best coverage. The host went on a break, he'll be back soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMLQSWrUfE


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thank you… exactly what i have been looking for


Mlllw092

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMLQSWrUfE


LeekCommercial1034

I haven’t seen any official news report talking about the ‘storage unit.’ If someone has a source, can you please link it here? I’m curious if the storage unit is synonymous with the shed on the property or if there is a connection.


jacobsever

Why was this post removed?


marxbro4521

Because it was incorrect. As of now the there has not been any official determination that a crime occurred and the house is not a crime scene.


ilovehaagen-dazs

A crime doesn't need to occur for it to be declared a crime scene. *"A crime scene is any physical scene, anywhere, that may provide potential evidence to an investigator"* [source](https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/Toolkit-files/08-58296_tool_5-9.pdf)


encapsulated_me

Also, I heard that they (the fbi) called it a crime scene themselves when they entered the house (I didn't hear it myself). But they had a warrant and it's based on an investigation into Gabby's death.


TheBigWhipper

Warrant=crime scene going by the law


ENDO-EXO

Could parents have had BL hospitalized ( psych )?


[deleted]

if he were in a hospital he wouldn’t be missing… hypothetically the hospital staff would contact authorities and tell them he’s in their care


ENDO-EXO

Would they by law ? I’d hope so !


Any-Cobbler

. Gm p T q19.


marxbro4521

It's not a crime scene yet, at least not publicly. No cause of death has been released yet, so as far as we know, there has not been any official crime committed yet. Obviously that will probably change but as it stands, this thread title is misinformation.


Carl_Moore

I was watching Fox News an the CC had her name as Gabby Potato


MrSh0wtime3

People keep saying he's gonna kill himself. Understand that sociopaths rarely do that.


jacobsever

Right? Reddit is a great place, but some of y'all need to go outside and touch grass more often. Automatically thinking someone who gets overwhelmed is going to off themselves is a great leap.


encapsulated_me

Especially given how criminally common it is for women to be killed by their partners, every day. Men around the world aren't killing themselves by the thousands after. That is rare. They are projecting their own feelings onto him ("I would feel guilty so I imagine he would")


psullynj

Accessory after the fact perhaps? If the phone records revealed any sort of lie (phone call that doesn’t line up with their timeline for example), that could do it


470vinyl

God what a fact that would be


probablyuntrue

y'all uh....couldn't have done that a couple weeks ago?


encapsulated_me

No body, no crime.


bhsanders1995

I am curious if law enforcement ever requested to search the home previously and were denied by the parents. In any missing person case where they weren’t guilty the parents would cooperate to help. I hope everyone makes these parents lives difficult going forward as I’m sure they will not be charged with anything.


Mynameisinigomontya

Don't say stuff like that. He probably lied to them. They may think he's actually innocent. Yes it's horrible and shitty. But they are probably stupid and scared.


bhsanders1995

Over hear telling me what I can and can’t say as you call them “stupid”


CrawFlyUS

Don't threaten people; parents had nothing to do with it.


RandyTheBarista

If you think they "had nothing to do with it" then you definitely aren't following this story closely enough. They've been hindering the investigation and obstructing justice since before she was even reported missing... Wtf..


CrawFlyUS

What information do you have that his parents were involved / obstructing? LE entered his parents house early last week and spoke with them and had evidence bags when they left. Because they aren't all over the media doesn't mean they are obstructing anything. Furthermore, BL hasn't been charged with a crime, how could his parents be obstructing? (Edit: hasn't been charged with a crime yet). Other than BL Parents maintaining their right to remain silent to the media, what evidence do you have they were involved? Calm the fuck down and let the coroner and LE do their job.


bhsanders1995

Have you followed the case or just hopped on? I am threatening no one but I would not associate with humans acting so selfishly and I hope and believe that the parents will get such treatment from friends, family, and community


Raekear

He goes "hiking" on Tuesday, parents retrieve the car on Wednesday, report him missing on Friday? Sure. Nothing to do with it at all.


bhsanders1995

Exactly


jamesrockett

Haven't heard of any search warrants until today, not sure they're to blame for that delay


DumpsterMeat

Where is Suzy Green when you need a bald asshole to get roasted.


cplmatt

“You bald four eyed fuck”


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mi2626

This is someone’s life. What’s wrong with you?


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mi2626

Sounds more like you care about a TV show. You don’t actually care about the person, the subreddit’s name is Gabby Petito. Not “ideas for a crime show.” Go elsewhere to make heartless comments like that.


Remintz

Bro?


illQualmOnYourFace

Easy there bud.


Mynameisinigomontya

They where thousands of miles away. That's not even possible.


ItStartsInTheToes

Damn those mental gymnastics were intense I hope you stretched before that


bloddymarey

Anyone know if they’ve searched that storage unit Brian supposedly moved stuff into when he flew home? Super weird this part of the story hasn’t been confirmed yet.


abclmaop

Can someone tell me why he flew back to move stuff into a storage unit? Not trying to speculate anything just seems like an odd timing to do something.


bloddymarey

Someone replied to my comment and said he flew home to move things out of the unit and into the home. I’ve only seen comments that say the opposite but I don’t have a source for either regardless.


yaychristy

Not everything will be confirmed publicly. I’m sure they have.


Mynameisinigomontya

He moved it OUT, into the house. That's why he went home. So the stuff is at the house


bloddymarey

Ohhh interesting! Thanks for clarifying that. I’ve only heard the opposite.


hloper614

I’ve been trying to find more info on this but I’m not sure it’s confirmed.


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SaltMineSpelunker

Modmail might be a better forum than comments.


ilovehaagen-dazs

Yes it has been declared a crime scene by various news outlets and the FBI themselves. Whenever a search warrant is issued, the area of interest becomes a crime scene. "*A crime scene is any physical scene, anywhere, that may provide potential evidence to an investigator*" - [unodc.org](https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/Toolkit-files/08-58296_tool_5-9.pdf)


formersvedkastan

Send a source, not a link to an online crime dictionary lmfao give me a break


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TxNurseO2

Fox news quoted it as being declared a crime scene.


formersvedkastan

Fox News isn't an official LE source.


TxNurseO2

im aware, just saying thats probably where it came from


Diligent_Bag_9323

The body is well confirmed to be petito. They straight up told the family. That’s confirmation enough. Edit: lol people really still be arguing about this as if the FBI would say anything to the family if they weren’t 99.9999% sure it was her. She has tattoos guys. They don’t need to wait for dental records or dna with visible known tattoos.


CrossmoorMafia

It has not been officially confirmed, but unofficially it's probably a 99.9% likelihood


1498336

The forensic analysis is just a formality. They would never in a million years notify her family and have the press conference they did yesterday if they weren’t 100% certain it was her.


CrossmoorMafia

Yes, what you said does not contradict what I said, we all know it's her... "An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday to confirm the identity." https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/us/gabby-petito-brian-laundrie-update/index.html


Whybotherr

They told the family that a body had been found that matched the description, it isn't confirmed to be Gabbys body.


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

It absolutely has been declared a crime scene by the FBI, but don't let that stop you from doing what you're accusing others of doing.


ItStartsInTheToes

A crime scene is anywhere anything that has a police cordone. If you get a warrant for a backpack that backpack is now a crime scene. The issue arises when so many uneducated-to-the-law people here where they think crime scene = blood everywhere. Modern media paints crime scenes a very specific way. The title could have included that a warrant was issued and not tried to incite a response by using a buzz word like crime scene and it would have gotten the same information conveyed.


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

Correct.


SaltMineSpelunker

I think I am in love with your username.


AhThatsLife

What happened to being innocent until proved guilty? Edit.There hasn't been a murder as of yet, it's just a death.


FreeLifeCreditCheck

This kid was considered innocent for far too long. Can you imagine if he had been black or poor? They would have had him in custody a long time ago. At the very least, he should have been detained as a person of interest, someone who might have information related to the disappearance of Gabby. (However, I do know investigators so often have their hands tied; a missing person's case is not necessarily a crime and perhaps the police were unable to detain him until they knew more about whether this situation was Gabby missing by (her) choice or criminal activity.) The truth is this: Brian went on a trip with his fiancee and she did not return home. Instead, he came back in her van and he provided no information. Hell, the guy could have made up some BS and fed it to investigators, "We got in a fight. She tried to hit me again and so I left her there because I couldn't take it anymore." He didn't even do that! If something bad had happened to her at the hands of someone else (or even *herself*), wouldn't he have reported it? Tried to resuscitate her? Call for help to save his dearest wife-to-be? This guy proved himself guilty by his actions and lack thereof.


Former-Albatross6545

At 4am on Weds, BL posted a pic of succulents with his parents house in the background with the words "I will miss you" on his IG story. He knew she was never coming home. He isn't innocent, he's a murderer.


Teachyoselff2

Link?


Former-Albatross6545

I did send it to NPPD, though.


RandyTheBarista

What?? Where? How has this not blown up all of these Gabby groups? This is the first time I've heard about this.


Former-Albatross6545

I had just gotten off work. Either it wasn't up long or he deleted it right after I saw it. The IG time stamp says 13 hrs but when I saw it, I screenshotted it and then it was gone. I tried to post it in this group but a bot stopped me. I agree. I would have thought more people would have been talking about it, tbh. And honestly when the bot stopped the post, I thought it was a duplicate post.


FireflyEvie

Screen shots? Source? Proof?


AhThatsLife

What proof do you have?


drkodos

The court of public opinion is under no such compulsion.


Doctor-Jay

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principle for court proceedings, it doesn't protect you from investigators looking into your business when you're the lead suspect in a murder case.


AhThatsLife

What muder case?


ItStartsInTheToes

This is still not murder case though


ceejay955

along with looking for signs as to what happened with Gabby, I bet they are also looking for proof of hindering the investigation by the family protecting Brian. Active crime scene is an appropriate description, it doesnt mean anyone is proven guilty yet in the eyes of the law


AhThatsLife

I'm on about the people who have deemed him guilty already, he won't get a fair trail


ceejay955

that's just public opinion, you're not going to stop people from sharing their opinion that hes guilty. And he hasn't really done much to help look innocent at this point in the game. He will have as fair of a trial as any other high profile case this isn't the first one in history.


Brooklinejournal

Well it actually wasn't determined a crime scene.


dankpoots

That's to prevent the state from punishing you without a fair trial. It has nothing whatever to do with public opinion.


AhThatsLife

It has alot to do with it.


dankpoots

Again, no, it has absolutely nothing to do with it. The presumption of innocence is a legal principle which translates to a legal right of the accused when they are criminally tried. It's there to ensure that prosecutors must demonstrate guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before the state can hold someone accountable for a criminal act. As a principle it stipulates nor implies nothing at all about how the accused should be viewed in society.


MadredeLobos

That applies to a court of law. Reddit is not a court of law.


AhThatsLife

Never said it was, but people are calling for his death, its ridiculous


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

Speculating that he killed himself isn't calling for his death. No one is forcing you to be here.


AhThatsLife

People have been calling for his death... not speculation on if he killed himself, but wanting him dead and saying he should be killed...


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AhThatsLife

Ladies first 😁


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

Why are you white knighting for this guy? Gross.


AhThatsLife

Why are your speaking to me if I'm irrelevant?


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

Why are you flagging comments because people pointed out how stupid you are? JFC. Surely there's something going on in your own country where you can show your ass instead of bothering people here.


AhThatsLife

😂😂I haven't flagged anything, I downvoted you


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

This is Reddit, not real life. Presumption of innocence isn't really relevant during investigations and arrests.


AhThatsLife

It is. If people think he is guilty it will sway the way the investigation is done.


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

No it won't. The court of public opinion always exists in the background. Again, Reddit is not real life and what's happening here is not related to the investigation at all.


AhThatsLife

Ok...


RckYouLkeAHermanCain

You don't even understand when presumption of innocence is applicable. Your opinion isn't particularly relevant.


Battleaxe19

What do you mean? Being wanted for questioning doesn’t mean he’s guilty.


AhThatsLife

I'm talking about public opinion on him.


Battleaxe19

Ha there are no laws against having an opinion. Dude looks guilty as fuck and there are alot of things pointing towards him. Good thing the public doesn't decide who goes to prison and who doesn't eh?


timgoes2somalia

You're seeing it


minlatedollarshort

You don't need a trial to judge someone on not helping to find a missing person.


SeaSpur

Reddit isn’t a court.


absinthemarigold

You realize they have to look for evidence (and then make a good argument based on that evidence) in order to find someone guilty, right? And that's the legal process. People watching from home can think whatever they want.


AhThatsLife

Yes I get that. That doesn't answer my question. People have deemed him guilty, he won't get a fair trail and even if he was found innocent it won't make a difference, his life would be done.


absinthemarigold

>People have deemed him guilty, he won't get a fair trail and even if he was found innocent it won't make a difference, his life would be done. And this is nothing new. Should this actually go to a trial by jury, jurors on a trial are vetted (by both the defense and prosecution) and given very specific instructions about how they're supposed to perform. No human can be totally free of bias - it's simply not possible.


jacobsever

In the eyes of the law, he is presumed innocent. Those rights aren't required for public opinion though.