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Honestly, after he hindered our space program with a frivolous lawsuit to feed his own ego and greed, I don't think I will ever trust another word that man says about space.
Yes don't take his words. Listen to much more intelligent people about that topic.
Professor O'Neill for example was a great pioneer about living in space colonies.
Also the great philosopher James S.A. Corey. He envisioned the entire future in space.
A future where Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile… ahem, *Amazon* can flourish.
I remember hearing that Jeff Bezos allegedly likes the show and it made me wonder how he doesn’t see himself as the villain. Like, class struggle is pretty fucking explicit in that show.
He definitely likes the show. He's the one who decided to buy it and keep producing it.
And is less likely to usher Outer Worlds into reality
. . . James S.A. Corey is the pen name for two different people.
Yes. Expanse fans know this.
What? But he's rich. Doesn't that make him a demigod?
... you're talking about Jack, right ?
Came here to say this. Glad to see it's already the top comment.
screw this Bozo. We can and should treasure and look after the best Oasis in space: Earth
What I don't understand why he's jealous of Elon Musk's space program? Nobody has claimed the ocean. You know that 500 mil yacht his dumb ass bought? Dump a few billion and make a profitable floating city. The ocean real estate only going to get bigger because of his non Amazon friendly Amazon company and his non-contributing, only polluting, space tourism company.
He’s just sort of stating the obvious with this one anyways
His vision is workers in space and rich on earth
Living in space will be awful
I was out when he talked about offloading our garbage and waste into space.
That is such a small thing in the list of horrors he’s committed
This guy has zero credibility in this area. The more he gets involved, the more the cringe ramps up. Please shut up Jeff. Oh and stop all the lawsuits delaying genuine space exploration because you're a wanker.
Jeff’s ego has convinced himself that he is some visionary. He’s a brilliant but douchey business man, but he knows fuck all about physics, biology, and where the Earth is headed climate wise.
The Earth will more resemble a wasteland, than Yellowstone. This “smart” Jeff is living in a fucking billionaire dream world if he thinks people visiting Earth from off world planets/space stations will see it as beautiful in 200 years.
He's a cartoon at this point
He's worse than a cartoon at this point Mr. Burns was made as a caricature of a horrible boss but he pays and treats his employees better than bezos ever did.
When you have his money you can convince yourself that you're the second coming of Jesus and hire infinite numbers of people to agree with you. What's disheartening is when common people agree with him too.
Sounds like he’s trying to be more like Elon except he’s saying shit that is insane bullshit and lowers his credibility.
If earth can only support 10 billion where is he going to put 990 billion more? Mars is smaller than earth, even if it had an atmosphere at most you could squeeze in 10 billion.
Mercury. No. Venus. No. Jupiter/Saturn etc etc No no no.
You’re left with moons. They are smaller than earth. And even if they all could hold 10 billion people, you still wouldn’t have 1 trillion.
So maybe he meant galaxy, rather than solar system? That’s a pretty big fuck up for someone trying to build credibility like this to make.
Fuck Jeff fuck Amazon.
Clearly you've neither read Blue Origin's mission statement, nor any paper about space colonization written since the 70s.
The point isn't to colonize neither planets nor moons, it's space itself. Space habitats, generally built within the magnetosphere of planets or inside the core of asteroids, but nonetheless wholly artificial biomes is the goal.
When you consider that possibility, a trillion isn't silly because it's too high, it's silly because it's too low. The full energy budget of Sol could sustain quintillions of us.
O’Neil cylinders, we can take apart mercury and make enough rotating habits orbiting the sun to house trillions of people. Isaac Arthur on YouTube has great videos about the subject.
I say this as a rocket engineer. This part actually holds water. But is dependent on a vast expansion in space infrastructure.
You wouldn't really be putting people in gravity wells to fit this many people in the solar system. For that you would need to mine out many asteroids and some smaller moons. Then build O'Neill Cylinder colony's out of them.
From that perspective you could easily house 1 Trillion with the materials available to us in the asteroids of our Solar system. Some estimates put this number between this lower figure of 1 Trillion to nearly a Quadrillion on the extreme end of literally deconstructing the entirety of mercury.
However why Jeff is saying this while actively blocking progress in Space development is completely beyond me. He's a freaking Cunt.
Earth could absolutely support more than 10 billion people. And the solar system itself could support *trillions*. Terraforming planets isn't the path. Building space habitats is.
It's like living in caves in a mountain vs using the rock from the mountain to build homes. One provides severely more living space than the other. And building habitats is much easier than terraforming planets and takes significantly less time.
He’s going to start talking about Amazon ‘fulfilment’ centres in the asteroid belt next
Staffed by Beltalowdas.
He sounds like the guy next to you at a bar on a Tuesday afternoon.
He sounds exactly like my old boss, the ceo of a startup. His approach to everything was growth. More and more. Every day, every quarter. I'd run into him at the bar after I quit and he'd be telling me how much more growth they had. What a basic way to live your life.
It's the mindset of a cancer.
Says the man who just tried to nasa because SpaceX is better
I think you accidentally the word sue, but I know what you meant.
I think you accidentally left out the word forgot, but I what you meant.
I think you accidentally left out word know but I know what you meant.
I think you accidentally left out the the, a great 80s band that is often overlooked, but I know what you meant.
(Woo! This Is The Day is my jam)
Ever since it was on a random commercial like 15 years ago I've been listening to them!
I can’t tell if you purposely skipped a word or not
Nasa directly pointed at that law suite as having delayed returning to the moon.
Where was the suite located?
And was it a top firm?
Was it a penthouse suite or just a regular kind?
Hi Jeff! Have you seen the latest fertility trends?
That’s what the penis rocket is for. To inspire people to procreate.
I'm going childfree & petfree..
"Just cuz you can, doesn't mean you should."
If you mean the scaremongering about men going sterile, that is being steadily disproven. If you mean about the downward trend in birth rates as countries become more developed, then, yeah, good point.
Second one. Birth rates are plummeting all across the world. In itself its not a problem, but envisioning 1 trillion people is a bit wild when all trends are pointing the other direction. And I'm not sure his business is helping here.
I read an article about the far east: 1.15 child per women in Korea, similar in Japan, China, Thailand... The last areas are in Africa where the fertility rates are still sort-of high, but they are also decreasing rapidly.
Yeah, my knowledge on the subject goes only about as far as what I learned in high school, but I do recall it being known that demographic pyramids tend to become inverted proportionally to a country's social and economic development. Hence why Africa is sadly still lagging behind on that trend.
Miscarriages and infertility are rising and have steadily been rising since the fifties. It seems to be directly linked to phthalates is the bloodstream while developing in the parents womb. It’s not scare tactics. It’s science
> Centuries from now, Bezos projected that millions of people will move from Earth to space
The operative word is “Centuries”, to put that into context America is only 2 centuries old. We’ll have to solve a whole host of problems Worldwide without a Global conflict and America’s collapse. I’m pessimistic about our ability to solve 2022’s problems, let alone Centuries from now.
This. America is a great deal closer to collapse than we are to putting humans into space at scale. Bezos can go create his own country (and might!) but that's going to come with other challenges.
We're not going into space at scale. We are going to kill each other at scale though, because we're not going to recognize the resource challenges we're making for ourselves until it's even farther too late than it is now.
Yes there won’t be an america… He means those living on elesium inside earths orbit.
We’re not going to be able to solve the compounding problems over the next couple of decades. Centuries from now, we’ll either be post-technological tribes numbering in the tens of millions at most, or we’ll be wholly extinct
America will collapse before we begin mass colonization of space.
Not necessarily a bad thing. America is burdened by an obsolete 240 year old political system that hinders intelligent government and progress and enables wide scale corruption. It needs to collapse so it can rebuild itself better.
Most nations on earth will, or undergo some major restructuring
I'm kind of surprised at how many Bezos defenders there are in this thread.
Why? Why are poor people defending someone who is not an expert in space, making space predictions? Why? Because he's rich, so therefore he's right?
This was a lighthearted thread with some fun ribbing and jokes and some of you got, like, *angry*.
Here's a tip. The rich people don't see you defending them. They don't care about you. And they aren't automatically right or someone to admire or respect just because they have money. Just bizarre.
Bezos doesn't own this idea. People have been dreaming of colonizing the solar system for a century. Gerald O'Neill and his students worked out engineering details of orbital space colonies in the 1970s, and O'Neill popularized them in his book *The High Frontier*. People have been updating the designs ever since.
I'm kind of surprised at how many people in r/futurology don't seem to know about this.
Yeah, classic sci-fi authors throughout the last century called - they'd like their prediction back.
Jeff Bezos isn't the originator of this idea by a long shot. Colonizing space is just the natural course of evolution for a technologically advanced civilization.
I don't see people defending Bezos here.
I'm kind of surprised that you awarded both of your comments.
Edit: moderators removed the first comment.
I read quite a few comments in this thread.
Not a single one defended Bezos. They just all happen to love the idea of a spacefering civilization. An idea that is close to one hundred years old!
I'll sh*t on Jeff Who any time, but you really can't dismiss a great dream of thousands or even millions of people just become Jeff says he also shares this dream.
Yeah this thread is overwhelming dominated by people blinded by their hate so much they can’t even discuss futurology in the futurology subreddit.
For real. This sub is 90% “confirm my political hunches, and give me UBI”. Peak Reddit
Will you just stop. People are allowed to have multiple opinions about things. Just because they see something differently than you doesn’t mean they are suddenly ‘shills’ for billionaires. You can both hate Benzos for being a shit human and still think that what he is talking about is interesting. He’s just echoing something that a lot of people in that field have said for fucks sake.
For real, that clown awarded both of her/his comments and is whinning about non existent defenders because not everybody else is 24/7 billionaire hating and saying we're doomed.
Looking at their profile, my comment makes even more sense.
The difference between the penniless crazy guy rambling at the end of the bar and Jeff Bezos is just the several hundreds of billions of dollars they don’t have to their name. Take that away and Jeff’s just “Crazy Jeff”
Bezos has gone on record saying that he wants to put amazon workers in space.
There is a whole show on his platform on why this is a bad idea politically, it's called the Expanse.
The kids of those people will visit like it's a national park. Bezos'? They'll still be on earth, enjoying a planet that became the oligarch's.
"People born in space will visit Yellowstone just like you visit Yellowstone". Astonishing
"If you die playing golf - you die in real life" - William Pugh
He’s such a profound thinker.
Jeff Bezos wants to his Amazon slaves in space where there are no workplace laws, which WOULD improve earth, where only the rich will live. It's the Time Machine but they put us out there instead of underneath.
If you live your whole life in space with different levels of gravity than Earth, isn't it going to be hard to just walk around Yellowstone park, or any where else, naturally? Won't you feel like you weigh 1000 pounds ( hyperbole) and your circulatory system will be struggling to function? What a crappy visit. But I'm no astrophysicist, so... perhaps there's an expensive work around to this problem for the Uber rich Earth vacationers of the future.
The expanse tv show as well as the books covers this idea really well actually. Also a good show if you are into sci-fi shows.
What if your belt hab has full spin gravity?
For a start, the Earth can sustain way more than 10 billion people. The issue is the logistics and distribution of food, health, wealth, and so on.
The word "sustain" is doing a fuck-ton of work in these kinds of statements.
To what level are we sustaining people?
Is the environment suffering?
Are we pushing other species to extinction while we "sustain"?
And you know, that little thing about how we create energy, or even how most people cook their food. Just small details.
If we primarily used nuclear energy and most people didn't eat meat, we probably wouldn't be facing a climate disaster.
I’m holding out for fusion.. just 20 more years now!
But yes, if we’d switched wholesale to nuclear in the 1970s perhaps, I agree. Less meat too would have been a good trend.
And maybe if we’d had honest, effective sex eduction for sexually maturing teens worldwide.
And if the Rom-Cath Church had quit meddling with contraceptives & trying to boost the birth rate everywhere they went.. . So much fail.
I don’t think it can though. Prior to the invention of artificial fertilizers the carrying capacity of the earth was estimated to be 4-5 billion.
The maximum food provided by a given area of land isn't easy to determine. In fact it may be nearly limitless, given that innovation hasn't stopped increasing its limits. When demand increases, so will the rate of innovation, and already known improvements will become affordable.
There's pleeeenty of room for improvements.
Why is a huge number of people considered good? I would like a world with much, much fewer people. Especially people like bozos.
Sounds like you'd love the one child policy
More like i'd love for the whole world to be industrialized to the point of birth rates going below death rates.
I've seen \*much\* higher estimates for the number of people the asteroid belt alone could support.
Here we have cited sources estimating 4 quadrillion.
I’d do for higher quality and less quantity, if at all possible
This interview made a wonderful word salad but wow… what an ignorant monster Bezos really is.
He is just a rich spoiled dummy that got really lucky in terms of owning all the paper. What a beast, what a king and what a predator he is /s Probably what's on the tape that he listens to staring in the mirror that he recorded himself.
He is trying to imitate the way Elon thinks and speaks, but fails miserably.
Why would anyone want to live in space? Compared to life on Earth, it's going to be a hellscape for at least a few centuries.
Why did Columbus or Magellan, or the countless others decide to explore the world knowing how much of a hellscape it would be, when they had the comfort of home in front of them?
Some people, many people, have an urge to explore the unknown, and we always will.
You might think it's a horrible idea, but there are certainly people in this world who would lift off tomorrow given the chance. It's those people who give us the comfort we have now.
Most people in my life scoff at the idea of going to space period. But I'd jump aboard the axiom flight to the ISS in a heartbeat if I was given a chance.
Everybody has differing levels of willingness to take risks and explore the world/universe.
You don't seem to be high on the risk taking spectrum, but that's just fine. Earth will always need people to keep it functioning.
I mean, you make some good points but I'd like to point out when those ancient explorers found new lands they could at least still breath the air there. Hardly a "hellscape."
Very beautifully put.
Well if you are waxing over your comfort then you are already in a highly privileged section of your society. Space exploration or Columbus doesn't produce life comforts for all. Only equitable development does. Even if you get settled on 1000 planets, there will always be slavery, poverty, exploitation and war. Technology doesn't mean jack shit to majority of human populations life today. Yes humans will explore and expand being the deadly virus which we are infecting and spreading everywhere. But equating it with righteous comfort is being a tad too blind to the state of the affairs in the current world.
Why did you want to climb Everest? Because it was there.
O'Neill cylinders are paradise worlds if done right.
Space colonies are NOT colonies on the surface of celestial bodies.
Yes. But so was America in the early days. The whole pioneer area wasn't exactly glamorous. People went there because they wanted to break new grounds, because they thought they could build something new and better than what they had at the time in Europe.
This is the exact same thing for space. People will move there against all odds in the hope they can build a better life there. Sponsored by Amazon.
Fuck off, Bezos. Stay out there.
Love how billionaires romanticize living in space instead of trying to help fix the beautiful planet we already have.
Believe it or not, it's not an exclusively rich people thing to love space and wish to live there one day. There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, living in space would be a good way to reduce your footprint on the Earth.
Humans born in space aboard a blue origin rocket will visit earth 10 minutes after apogee.
Man dude - must really tilt you having to just regurgitate everything musk has been saying for a decade plus.
I hope that future is possible. I just don’t want it owned by Amazon.
Yeah sure, humans don’t do well in space physical health deteriorates. He can dream of living in space but it’s just that until we move forwards technologically.
Aren't we constantly moving forward technologically?
It's amazing how many luddites are on this sub. I don't think Bezos will bring us into the future we need, but that doesn't make this statement incorrect.
This sub being so lenient to doomers has caused them to flock to pollute every thread with political or nihilistic luddite bullshit in droves.
Slamming Bezos apparently takes precedent
Mocking Bezos takes precedence over other hobbies. It has nothing to do with my interest in technology. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Honestly, I feel like making fun of Bezos the Clown should be a worldwide sport. Soon enough the entire planet will be owned by Amazon, so we need to get in our digs before he can execute us for insubordination.
Sure. But us bags of mostly water are biomechanical. Long-term periods in orbit aren't well-known. Long-term way outside orbit is unknown. [Deteriorated eyesight risks](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=space+blindness), no thanks.
Zero-g is damaging. Radiation is damaging. A big orbital colony that spins for gravity and has radiation shielding fixes both issues.
The planet can support double the population. We just don't have our priorities straight.
Coming from the man using up valuable and finite resources for the most expensive dick measuring contest in history, I really don’t care what he has to say.
If we continue like this, it will probably more like visiting the Atacama desert or any other place almost devoid of a diverse and thriving ecosystem. I don't have a billionaire's degree in futurology like Dr. Evil, but last time I looked, it seems we're not doing to good in supporting the almost 8 billion people on this planet without strangling it to death at the same time.
I predict that humans born in space will visit Earth the way you visit Pripyat and the Chernobyl disaster site.
Earth will be the toxic waste dump of a reminder to humanity that we probably shouldn't shit where we eat. We'll probably ruin Mars too before we learn.
I have a hard time imagining what we could do to make Mars worse lol
Better hold Humanity's Beer.
So let's fund three more seasons of TV, based on books 7-9 of The Expanse. We can see how things might turn out.
An Avasarala and Amos spin off would be great
Not how things will actually turn out, just how he wants things to turn out in his limited imagination thinking people will still have to work by the time we have technology to colonize space. No thank you, AI and automation can handle all of that for us.
Will we suddenly want more children when we go to space? The more technologically advance we seem to get the less kids we want, even people well off aren't contributing to population growth in our modern society.
The only question is what happens when automation leaves a large portion of the population unemployed. What are we going to do except bang each other?
We'd get there faster if men that own combustion penises in space *Pay their DAMN TAXES*
Firstly Jeff, increased economic prosperity and social development inevitably leads to a decline in birthrates, so a trillion humans is probably not happening anytime soon if ever.
Secondly, the Earth can support (whatever that means) way more than 10 billion people.
Finally: you are not an aerospace leader. Your company cant get beyond suborbit, you're losing your best people to SpaceX, and you spent 20 years and billions of dollars just to get this far. Pack it in.
This guy has absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. The only reason he’s excited about space is because of the vast amount of potential resources to be exploited. Ask him about his views on how venturing into space will benefit mankind and he’ll just give you a half assed cookie cutter answer that his assistants threw at him so he doesnt make an ass of himself in his fking ten gallon hat
I predict humans will someday “visit Jeff Bezos’ house the way a poacher visits Yellowstone”
And thus we should treat the earth with the level of care and protection afforded to a national park.
I really dont care what that bald idiot thinks. He failed to make any impact at all with his crotch rocket and he still thinks his opinion matters to anyone? Bozo.
wow... this guy is completely delusional. for somebody how owned a bookstore he should've read a book or two on the subject. but I guess he's just blurting out stuff so jobody forgets that he has a space company as well, after losing his lawsuit.
That must be Bezos wet dream - trillions of people to order off of Amazon to fund his Immortan Joe lifestyle
Why do you think Amazon could do this? Blue Origin (Jeffs rocket company) can't even get to space!
How about you commit yourself to helping the people we have live well before you start thinking of breeding hordes of space slaves, you overgrown librarian.
> The solar system can support a trillion people
No it fucking cannot, those planets are *not habitable*.
I get it, this is futurology, we're all looking toward the future. But having even 100 people living on Mars is so fucking far down the scope, so saying something like this is pure billionaire propaganda.
God I hate Bezos. Tone-deaf rich prick. You don't know how badly I wanted that goddamn cocket to explode in a ball of fire. But no, he came back and reminded us all that we paid for his space tourism. Fuck that shitty misanthrope. And he needs to stop talking about space. He's not advancing anything and SpaceX already has him beat. He has no vision other than profit. He's a small, pathetic person. It would be highly beneficial for him and the world that he receive a severe and painful dose of humility, in whatever manner this merciless universe chooses to enact it.
You should Google his recent suing of NASA and how he delayed a manned mission to Mars because he’s a whiny bitch who can’t handle that space X won the contract.
You wanted the rocket to explode, killing everyone on board because you hate Jeff Bezos? Sounds like a pretty fucked up thing to wish for.
I’m not at all surprised they’ve come to this, these people are clearly a violent, hateful bunch that love to let it loose whenever they feel like society will allow it.
> Centuries from now, Bezos projected that millions of people will move from Earth to space and some people will even be born in space, making space their first home.
Such a visionary
He wants to move hazardous work that destroys the earth into space also…. because destroying the solar system is a better idea