By - wisusececss
100% signing your petition!
I would love to read more about ice dance and pairs, but when I see a text that goes
>*"C/B bla G/F bla G/P, G/P and H/B bla bla. F/G on the other hand bla, C/B or G/F bla"*,
my brain just shuts down. I can't read it. I am grateful for every team name that is already in use (sometimes used by the teams themselves), like
* KoKo (Komatsubara/Koleto)
* KanaDai (Muramoto/Takahashi)
* PiriHara (Orihara/Pirinen)
* RikuRyu (Miura/Kihara)
I would love there to be more of them!
As for your suggestions,
>Lilah Fear / Lewis Gibson: LewLi? LiLew? Fibson?
LiLew sounds good!
>Madison Chock / Evan Bates: Bock
That sounds terrible, and it's not easy to understand, either. We might need a better one, but their names are short, which makes it hard ...
>Piper Gilles / Paul Poirier: I don't remember, do some people call them P² / P Squared?
Nice, but still close to the initials principle?
>Laurence Fournier Beaudry / Nikolaj Sørensen: Canadanes
I like this one. I think I've also seen Danadiens, with may be confusing, but I'm fine with both of them.
>Caroline Green / Michael Parsons: Grons? Peen?! Sorry, I'm 12 years old. This is a hard one! (That's what she said.) Micline? Ugh, I give up!
GreePar? Yeah, this one isn't obvious.
>Gabriella Papadakis / Guillaume Cizeron: PapaCiz?
GaGui? PapCiz sounds better than PapaCiz.
>Marjorie Lajoie / Zachary Lagha: LaLa
No doubt the only correct answer.
>Kaitlin Hawayek / Jean-Luc Baker: BaYek? HaKer? Kaitluc? I like Kaitluc, I think!
I like KaitLuc, too! (Generally in favour of camel case, but Kaitluc would be fine.)
> That sounds terrible, and it's not easy to understand, either. We might need a better one, but their names are short, which makes it hard ...
Agree it's *awful*, but it's already established at this point, so... Unless someone has such a stroke of creative genius that we're able to rebrand them!
> Caroline Green / Michael Parsons
> GreePar? Yeah, this one isn't obvious.
GPars, maybe? I think it might be a bit less awkward, and still clear enough? But yeah, theirs is a struggle.
> Gabriella Papadakis / Guillaume Cizeron
> GaGui? PapCiz sounds better than PapaCiz.
"PapCiz" always makes me think of a pap smear. 🙈
They're already kind of established as PapCiz / PapaCiz, and as Gabi & Gui. But I like GaGui! We'll see if they come back from their break, I guess...
>"PapCiz" always makes me think of a pap smear. 🙈
Oh no! I hadn't thought of that, but it's hard to unsee know! :D
GabiGui would still be short enough.
Edit: It's hard to find new names for very established teams. Maybe it's best to focus on the newer ones.
True. I might start using GabiGui! I always thought P/C was confusing, especially around PC (Pyeongchang).
(Fun fact: I know of another forum that uses "BJ" to talk about Beijing. That's... a choice 😆.)
maybe madibates? its pretty recognizable and rolls off the tongue imo, combined her first and his last but i think thats okay considering their last names have no real way to be combined besides bock lol
eta: or i guess .. chates?
Why not just call them Mates? lol
LOL Madi Bates works until they get married, and if she changes her last name, then it’s back to only referring to one person 😂
MadEv? Madivan? Their names really don't work for this... I think it has to be Bock! 🤭
i kind of like madivan because it sounds like a medication lmao
I think it's my favorite as well.
Just call them the Chocks, she's basically the whole team
Not that I don't know what you are getting at - but that seems immensely unfair towards Evan Bates. But hey, maybe he adopts her surname when they get married - I wouldn't put it past them -, then it would work perfectly! :)
Aww I'm just kidding dw :) but tbh all I see is her 😉
Yeah, I can absolutely see why! :)
Piri in Finnish means amphetamine so I would perhaps reconsider 😅 Otherwise I agree with this, so hard to read and think about which pair this is when I'm not super familiar with ice dance.
I didn't know that! Interesting ... :D But it wasn't my idea! They call themselves "Team PiriHara" on social media.
I find my brain shuts down with the nicknames.
Isn't this... A character from wicked 😂
The names have to be standardized like the first 3 letters of their last name. Otherwise you are just creating a new problem
I love anything consistent, so I agree with you in principle... But in practice, anything that's clear enough and adopted widely enough works. Despite SinKats, KanaDai, and CPom all using different naming conventions, we all know who posters are talking about when we read these abbreviations.
ETA: but for the sake of new fans / for new teams, I agree that sticking to the convention you mention would be ideal, if the resulting portmanteau isn't too awkward.
I don't think they have to be standardised. They have to be characteristic. My main requirements for an abbreviation are:
1. It is unique.
2. It reads like a word.
3. It is a shortcut to guessing the names.
Any abbreviation system only works with a certain knowledge. If I don't roughly know who is in the competition, or at least know where to look them up, no system will work for me. The main problem with the initials system is not necessarily a lack of knowledge but the fact that they are confusing to look at. I *know* who G/F and F/G are, if I take the time to think about it - but I find it hard to process while reading. The portmanteau system is about readability and about giving the reader a useful clue that leads to the names in question. It doesn't work by standardisation as much as by highlighting the characteristic parts of each name.
For those reasons, I think that an abbreviation like KaitLuc is ideal because it creates a visual and phonetic connection to Kaitlyn and Luc in a way that, say, HaBa would not. KoKo, on the other hand, is rather helpful for making me think of Komatsubara/Koleto. In both cases, a new fan who has not heard of the couples could read a list of the competitors and figure it out. A standardised system would lead to some abbreviations working better than others. Which abbreviation works depends a lot on the individual names.
(I am far too passionate about this! 😀 That's because I have been thinking about this for a while - I was about to make a similar post before u/wisusececss did it better than I would have!)
I think people usually do Gr/Pa for Green/Parsons to differentiate them from Gilles/Poirier! And I've seen Pap/Ciz before as well. Kait-Luc is new to me and cute though, I hope that catches on!
oh, I've also seen Masha & Gosha for Kazakova/Reviya, because those are the diminutives of their names!
Laurence Fournier Beaudry / Nikolaj Sørensen - LoloNik
Kana Muramoto / Daisuke Takahashi - KanaDai
Misato Komatsubara / Tim Koleto - KoKo
Mariia Nosovitskaya / Mikhail Nosovitskiy - MishMash (this is actually official)
I like KaitLuc! HawaBaker probably also works for them
MishMash is adorable!
There's also CPom for Christina Carreira / Anthony Ponomarenko, I just saw that one in another thread.
On that same model, we could do... GFab? The Guignard / Fabbri fans would probably enjoy seeing them called fabulous, no?
And for Fear / Gibson, FGib, then?
Yes totally forgot CPom! And honestly I think GFab anx FGib would just be even more confusing than G/F and F/G haha
Yikes, indeed, seeing them written next to each other like that... Not great, Bob!
In that case, my vote is for GuiFab. The Italians will still be called fabulous, and it respects the "default" naming convention, so it's clear for everyone.
The Disco Brits have me stumped, though. I think LiLew is the least awful option. Shall we start calling them LiLew?
ETA: or Lilis, but the pronunciation might not be obvious enough. Or Liwis?!
Disco Brits is widely used already! ;)
Yeah, but you know people will find that too long to write! So we're trying to find short, catchy names instead!
It's also kind of an inside joke among fans, not really inclusive to new fans. The good thing about a name like LiLew is that you can make the connection more or less easily.
Take my upvote for the Pete Campbell quote alone lol
I am physically incapable of saying "Not great" without adding "Bob!" behind it 😅
Lilah and Lewis could just be LL.
omG yes, I have given up understanding the FG, GF so on. I just don't have the energy for that
I’m so glad to see I’m not the only one! I almost feel dyslexic when I’m trying to figure out the initials.
I am 1000% for this though I'm terrible at remembering these
Am I missing something, is this only used by their haters or something? I included it because we all know it already.
Oh I don't know I just think it's funny!
Ah, in that case, I'm with you. "Bock". It's just... there.
Some teams already have established names. Laurence and Nik are the Canadanes, which I personally think is an adorable nickname.
IMO the teams that are in desperate need of nicknames are Lilah and Lewis and Charlene and Marco. Since it’s F/G and G/F, it gets very confusing very fast, but as other commenters in this thread have seen, it’s quite difficult to combine their names well.
Lilah and Lewis were known as the Disco Brits for a while because they had a disco program as their breakout in 2018-19, but that’s four years ago at this point so it’s totally understandable that a lot of ppl haven’t seen that program/remember when that was their nickname.
Cannot for the life of me think of a way to merge Charlene and Marco, and they haven’t really had an iconic program that we can base a name off of.
Bock sounds horrendous, and I feel like it’s made worse by the fact that the ppl who use that abbreviation all the time (fs twt) usually use it in an actively disparaging way LMAO. But cannot think of a better alternative either. Their names are short enough that Madi and Evan isn’t too difficult to type, but it’d be best if it could get merged into one word.
Mixing up Piper and Paul and Caroline and Michael because of the last names happens all the time. I think ppl have gotten used to typing Gr Pa for the Americans, and it mostly works. I have heard people call Piper and Paul as P Squared, which isn’t bad.
Note: There is a mall in Minnesota USA called HarMar (for founders Harold and Marie). There is a local musician named HarMar Superstar who took their name from the mall. Waiting for the announcement that CharMar will be skating to HarMar Superstar...
Yes please! That I won’t read H/B as Hubble/Bonohue or G/P as Gabriella/Papadakis anymore
Gabriella/Papadakis is so funny! Trying to picture it... I still think I'd prefer Papadakis/Hubbell as a pairing, though.
For Lilah/Lewis: Lilis, maybe?
I like LiLew as someone suggested above.
I like Figson for Fear/Gibson, even though it’s not a perfect portmanteau.
PiPaul! What do we think of PiPaul? Short enough, clear enough, I think that one's a winner!
* Guignard / Fabbri: Fabbrinard
* Fear / Gibson: Fearson
* Papadakis / Cizeron: Paparon
* Green / Parsons: ~~Peen heheeheh~~ Miccaro
Ooh, I like Fearson!
Ooh, I really like all of those! Especially Fearson, although I don't think they look particularly *fearsome*.
Isabella Gamez / Alexander Korovin - BellaSash or SashaBell
**Update on Monday:** Okay, maybe we could put all those to a vote, especially for the ones that seem more undecided, like F/G?
I might create a Google survey and post it next weekend. Don't hesitate to nominate more names before then! Especially for Pairs, as I don't think any of them have been discussed so far...
I'm finding the nicknames more annoying to remember.
PP = Piper and Paul. LL = Lilah and Lewis.
i am back and heeding the call for pairs portmanteaus!! starting from our most recent GP and working backwards:
* Conti/Macii could be CoMa 💀 not the most flattering but they do need a nickname especially since another Italian pairs team is Caldara/Maglio...maybe Sara & Nic could work as well? it's no longer than Lolo & Nik which I've seen for the Canadanes!
* on which note, I've seen calcium and magnesium supplements branded as Cal-Mag so that's what I jump to for those last names LMAO. not very elegant but hey we're going for functionality/legibility here lol
* I think MetelPark is decently well-established for Metelkina/Parkman!
* Baby Germans have last names that flow very nicely into each other for RoSchuster!
* I like any derivation of Kate/Nate, KatieNat, etc. for McBeath/Bartholomay! could also do McBarth or something.
* Knierim/Frazier....I got nothing. though tbh they seem to have a relatively rare initial combination so I've personally never gotten tripped up by seeing K/F. maybe they can stay in the "old" style and be distinctive for that?
* maybe GhilAmbro for Ghilardi/Ambrosini? or Mambo Italians lmaoooo which I've seen others use and which I love.
* I like SafiLava for the baby Georgians (which is also distinctive enough right now, but they're not gonna be babies forever!). Not the best because it's the end of his name and not the start, but it works well enough for PiriHara and I think SafiBeru just sounds a hundred times worse lmao.
* it's maybe a stretch but "DeDe" for Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps? taking the start of her first name and his last name?? otherwise I'm kinda blanking. I will say too that it's always more distinctive when there's someone with a hyphenated last name in a partnership; so "S-D/D" already looks pretty identifiable to me, as did C-G/L when Cain-Gribble/Leduc were competing, so they would probably be fine like K/F with the old nomenclature.
* McMimar for McIntosh/Mimar? or Brooke & Ben is pretty short to type out too!
* I think Val & Max works for Plazas/Fernandez!
* Chan/Howe is definitely short enough that we should all just type that out instead of using C/H.
Well done! I like all of those, especially CalMag! CoMa though, for a pairs team... that might be tempting fate! 💀
ETA: McMim could be cute?
Some teams end up getting referred to by just the name of one member of the team, usually whichever member is more well known. Davis/Smolkin is probably the most prominent example where they’re commonly just referred to as Diana, or even Diana and partner. I’ve also seen people say Lorraine for McNamara/Spiridonov, Bella for the new team of Flores/Desyatov, and Vadym for Zingas/Kolesnik. But those teams, with the exception of D/S, are all newer teams where the more famous partner was previously part of a successful partnership that most people think of when they think of that person. I imagine that if M/S, F/D, or Z/K ever wins a US title or something, people will start referring to the team as a collective rather than the more famous partner, since their achievements in the new team will thus overshadow their achievements in their previous partnership.
If I am commenting during a competition on the fly, I am going to keep doing H/B or whatever - its a chat not a term paper.
Who? Oh, you mean *Kaitluc* 😜
Yeah of course, like I said in the OP, I'm not expecting everyone to use the longer names, especially in the live threads. Although I am hoping it will catch on as much as possible 🙏
It is confusing when different couples have the same initials!
And then you add pairs into the mix, and... 🤯
I find the portmanteaus and nicknames more of a bother.
If I'm discussing Fear/Gibson and Guignard/Fabbri in the same sentence I'm using Brits and Italians.