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Republicans- "We are always for less gov't!! More freedom to the people!" ​ Also Republicans- \*This\* ​ Starting to think the Republican party maybe isn't actually the party of expanded freedoms & liberties, but the party of legislating perceived morality


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DankLibertarian

You want to know what you can do instead of shaking your fist at republicans (democrats are just as much the problem btw) Instead of complaining [https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455](https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455) sign the petition and then write your congress critters in Tallahassee


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Yes okay but not in this scenario & most scenarios involving human rights & freedoms. But agreed. I'm just calling this how I see it


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RealCitizenObserver

"Democrats are just as much the problem, btw" Really? What's your basis for saying that? Very interested in your response. This comes up all the time. Florida Republicans are regressive.


DankLibertarian

as a libertarian i dislike both parties... but seriously ? because a republican introduced this bill we should just vote for the party that wants to put an income tax on the state?? uhh no f&\*#ing thanks pedophile Tom Hanks. If the republicans are successful in this than I'm going to go to the black market to get my medicine. The whole point is to tax cannabis users more?? ok then I'll go buy black market cannabis again and the government gets zero cut. The more savvy libertarian politicians in Tallahassee already know this is going to lower the tax dollars going into the coffers by a large amount. There will be democrats voting for this nonsense too. it won't be a party line vote. so stop with this nonsense about parties.


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I hadn't heard that Dems wanted to add state income tax but I did hear this a while back- https://www.floridaphoenix.com/blog/on-tax-day-florida-democrats-call-for-state-version-of-federal-earned-income-tax-credit/ No this won't be a bipartisan issue- the Democrats mostly always vote in unison for Cannabis use, same with Republicans voting against it minus a few "RINOS" as overloard Trump would like to put it As a cannabis user, I vote for laws & lawmakers who have my back & that's usually the democrats not republicans. And every "as a libertarian" person EVER just sides with Republicans lol hence you not fighting this, just saying "ahh well I'll go back to the black market no problem"


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I wonder how many of our legislators have shorted cannabis stocks? You always gotta follow the Benjamin’s.


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fallinmyhole

Ah I've been wondering who's at play with this. they are also pushing the idea that another opioid epidemic will happen if they don't pass this.. It's obvious the exact opposite is going to happen when you make medical patients pay top dollar for shit weed. They will be more likely to switch back to opioids.


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Yeah. It ought to be a felony to contribute to a political campaign.


DankLibertarian

so the first amendment should be a felony?? Campaign donations are a form of speech. When you put your hard earned money towards a political cause you care about you are making a political statement with that donation.


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Money does not equal speech. That equivalence is a huge part of the problem.


RooseveltsRevenge

The bill would have to go through committees in the senate. Starting with the judiciary committee which is chaired by Sen. Brandes, who is a supporter of legalization. If it makes it past him, the fix is in.


weeohweeohwee

definitely worth watching how the companion bill starts to move through the senate, but regardless of whether or not Brandes is a true ally, we ought to keep vigilant and boisterous with the house bill as well. our goal as a community of patients should be to amputate any legs that this bill could give to any other anti-mmj efforts in the State as well. also, we are about to set a precedent (strange for florida i know) Colorado and Arizona are watching and there are similarly proposed laws there. This reveals there is a concerted effort going on to ensure the new republican battleground states are not appealing to many democratic minded voters.


Hemporer8

Post saved. Very concise. Thanks! “GET UP, STAND UP”...


SandwhichEfficient

You can’t make flower only 10% and concentrates 60% this is the stupid shit I’ve ever seen in 28 years of life. If y’all need 100% real deal not government shit hit my line


hennytime

We're all terminally ill. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit and at the end of they day were all mortal. This will kill the program 100%


Lilcal2011

if this is how they wanna play we can pull up plenty of harmful evidence of cigarettes and alcohol and should put a cap on them


weeohweeohwee

it is so frustrating that these toxic products are marketable commercially, but part of Rep. Roach’s flawed argument is that cigarettes and alcohol aren’t viewed or prescribed as medicine by any physician in the United States. that being said, by his own admission marijuana is not equally classified s a medicine as other drugs which have been given FDA approval are, so holding it to such standards (without having done the proper groundwork and studies) is biased. typical conservative behavior, he wants have his cake and eat it too. rules for thee, but not for me.


DankLibertarian

The best way to fight this is for all of us to contact our reps in Tallahassee Sign the petition then there is a link to send your rep a personalized note regarding caps. [https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455](https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455)


FTdubya05

Under main arguments at the end of number 2. It’s crazy how politicians are sworn in to fight for the people and it’s just politicians in favor of this. That’s highly against what they are supposed to do. Just another example of how rigged the system is when they are allowed to get lobbyist money. It’s one reason why I’ve always kinda had a dream to become a politician who can’t be bought and actually fight for the people. Standing in front of the senate and have one of those 24 hour filibusters.


wienerpower

Neanderthalic!


weeohweeohwee

you found it!


JMF4201

If this passes, not that I think it will in the end, I’m done bothering with this overpriced cannabis program. The majority of the flower available is mid grade as it is. This bill will render it all completely useless. I hope the majority of cardholders will do the same so the legislators can watch their cash cow dry up.


schwiggity

The cost of the doctor recs and card alone are about $400-500 a year. I'm not paying that for the "privilege" of buying expensive THC capped product.


JMF4201

Couldn’t agree more


RealCitizenObserver

That's exactly what they hope will happen, as they meet over 3 martini cocktails. Maybe lowering alcohol content will reduce alcoholism and DUI (sarcasm, but just as dumb)


ThinkChoice6

I have a stupid question, what are the licensed VI companies doing about this? Must be a lot of $$$ there to help fight this!


fallinmyhole

That's what I was thinking. if this passes, there gonna lose so much profit


Forward2Infinity

Exactly. I definitely won't renew if this goes through


hennytime

There are more lobbying dollars from prisons and pharma compared to trudollars.


fallinmyhole

Yeah, very true. I guess we'll see who wins..


EstebanPossum

Are we sure of that? Surely it will be easier and cheaper for the dispos to grow sub-10% weed. It could be that they are in agreement with this bill on the grounds that they’ll lose some sales, but gain more in profits since it’ll lower their operating expenses.


Twenty8cows

I wouldn’t say it would either of the two. The labor that goes into growing a 10% THC plant and a 30% THC plant is the same IF you are into growing healthy plants. Nutrient inputs would be similar as plants gotta eat. IMO this bill does way more harm than good. I see what the Rep. side is trying to “protect” against and I don’t agree that this bill solves the problems they are perceiving at this moment. But no neither labor or input costs go down because a plant produces 10% THC. Operating costs aren’t tied with %thc produced its more closely linked to the weight produced.


EstebanPossum

Hmmm but if operating costs aren’t tied to THC levels then wouldn’t every dispo be cranking out 30% weed? And by ‘costs’ I mean like EVERYTHING, not just the material costs. Surely it’s costs more to produce better, higher THC content weed.


DankLibertarian

because its hard to grow 30%+ thc weed. so many factors have to happen that sometimes are outside of a growers control... variables have to be just right through the entire process. Best to try to find as high thc lineage strains as possible to grow. most tier 1 will be around 19%-26%... when you get that 30+ its a treat lol


Twenty8cows

No. THC levels are going to limited by the weakest link among a slew of variables. The big ones are usually growers skills and genetic capabilities. What I was referring to was that the cost to grow a plant is relatively static unless you find a way to purchase inputs cheaper, hire cheaper labor, or automate processes. The one way I can see higher THC cannabis being more expensive is going to be on the labor side in hiring growers with better experience, knowledge and processes. Dispensaries don’t grow 30%+ all the time because when you reach levels of a specific cannabinoids you sacrifice other things like disease or pest resistance or terpene profile variety.


fallinmyhole

I mean that could be true to really. Maybe that's why some dispos bud is already so low lol


DankLibertarian

Who is going to buy that?? I'm going to the black market if this passes


MichaelEDeenII

Because crime was decreasing. Dirty, dirty🤠


weeohweeohwee

i’d be very interested to see the data behind this, i think it will be hard to separate from lockdown effect, but hell - what a double whammy of a budget killer that would be.


TheMissingLink5

I could be wrong, but even if the whole house approves, the senate needs to approve as well before coming law no?


weeohweeohwee

that’s right, but not un-imaginable


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borreliaburgdorferii

This is the way.


toxicity187

IF this passes, the majority of the ppl will opt out of the program. That is a no-brainer. Here is where shady business deals may play in our favor. These places spent millions to get these licenses. If the % is indeed caped, people will go back to the bm and these business will not be able to easily recoup their investments. My guess is they will remind ppl in power of that. Not that that is a good way of doing business, but might help us push this away. Dispos don't want this either (I would assume).


IllllIIIllllIl

> Dispos don't want this either (I would assume). It would be a nightmare scenario for dispos and the entire market. There’s no way the program retains enough people under a 10% cap for them to stay in business without drastically downsizing to just servicing metro areas. I imagine these companies will start making PSAs about it if they start getting nervous.


JMF4201

Not to mention all of the hassle and nonsense dispensaries will have to go through to make sure their finished flower is under 10%. What are the going to do, start growing Mexican commercial strains?


IllllIIIllllIl

Yeah it’d be insanely expensive for them to dump their stock on clearance and start all over with new growing and genetics to keep it under 10%. And what happens if lab results come back over 10%? Whole batch goes to waste? It’d be a total disaster and stave off new dispos if and when recreational ever comes to Florida if legislators start setting precedents like introducing THC cap in an already existing market.


DankLibertarian

They would probably pay 3rd party labs to doctor their results to fit the caps... I mean some places do this in reverse where the 3rd party lab offers the dispo to kick up the thc content in the report up a bit for extra money.


DankLibertarian

My guess is they will start scraping trichomes off flower when its too high.... because there really is no way to control the thc content unless you get specific breeds that only are so so potent... but even then variables can change and the plant supposedly produces 8-12% thc starts producing 20% thc.... government expects them to destroy that crop?? lol well what we have seen is 3rd party lab testers sometimes would test a dispo's flower and say "Hey your bud is only testing at like 10% ... toss in some extra coin and we will make the results say 15%" Well what about that in reverse where dispo sends 3rd party lab flower and they say "hey its too high its testing at 25%... for a small fee we will change the results to 10%" corruption can work both ways lol


JMF4201

Yeah, the whole thing is fucking ridiculous


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weeohweeohwee

that’s right probably to some great extent, but more than anything, opponents are driven by outside interests (money) and have no care for what’s right or wrong. i hope that we can simply make it clear we aren’t a population that can be falsely classified as criminals or less-than, and we won’t take the re-stigmatization of medical marijuana for an second.


baybjto

Well if this passing this will make the local dealers have better product and better prices. This is all ridiculous


Tappadeeassa

Republicans always think they know what’s best for our own bodies. Ask any woman. Does this mean I need to be hoarding what I can?


weeohweeohwee

honestly, i would say don’t hoard. few reasons: we don’t need to give any reasons for the opponents to claim we are drug-seeking addicts. hoarding can be made to look a bit like that, even if it’s actually a patient just trying to ensure their own health. and if they want to pull data from MMU profiles to support that claim that people are buying thousands+ of mgs of THC a day, they certainly will. we shouldn’t change our behavior based on a non-scientific and unpopular bill that isn’t law yet. we are patients - our own wellness should be our priority!!!


TrxshBxgs

After (if) it passes, you've got a year before it takes effect. I agree with OP in not drastically changing our habits before the vote. We don't want to give them any ammunition, even if we don't perceive it as such. (Spelling edit)


dankdank420240

Just want to point out that these POS that voted for these live in our community, you will see them on the street eventually, make sure you let them know how you feel about their actions.


lilshrimptaco

It really sucks that thanks to prohibition there haven't been enough study opportunities for people to actually be considered "experts" in cannabis for us to call on to represent the industry in these hearings. It honestly feels like one of the intended long-term consequences of prohibition to begin with. When we do speak on our experiences or about cannabis in general they get to shoot it down as mere word of mouth because we don't have the credentials to back us up, but they've made getting the credentials damn near impossible!


TheMissingLink5

The saddest part is this all started to protect the lumber industry 😡


LexLozano

...What kind of 5-year-olds do you know? Great post, thanks for all the info.


rrjr68

A very well done synopsis


GrnddaddyPurp

U a real one take my free award haha


rasah8

Not to mention that there was an analysis of the bill conducted that showed no economic gain and plenty of economic setbacks that this bill would result in


weeohweeohwee

yes, that was fantastic. a great underline here. especially the “undetermined but costly” upgrades to the MMU online system, which many patients and providers know also needs more improvement and less political experimentation


Tmw09f

We gotta educate the dispos. I went to surterra today and asked if they had called their local rep about the bill and they looked at me like I was an alien. I’m like how tf do you guys not know about this you work in the industry ?


weeohweeohwee

i'd imagine the dispensaries and their employees are aware, perhaps their reaction to the question was discomfort. they are probably in a position where it is difficult to comment on this publicly, and i'm sure there is a great deal of concern echoing around. here's the truth, we are patients and this is our medicine, and this bill is seeking to derive political power by casting us (or at least most of us) into light as criminals and drug addicts. because stigma is stigma, and the war on drugs is real - it is very difficult to discern what beliefs any party involved in the debate truly holds. for most, best not to speak at all. i'm not saying you shouldn't have asked (you absolutely did the right thing!), but don't be suprised if you find skittishness around this topic.


JBL561

Great post


gethygethygethy

I feel like he has "friends" that want in on marijuana in FL but at present it's too expensive. These would 100% cause the flight of a couple of license owners, causing them to sell off their licenses at a lower price than they would right now. I mean, his pocket could be being lined by big pharma, it could be the prison system, but I also think he has buddies that want in. And, once in, this will magically be pushed out from another direction or magically not be applicable to recreational when that's passed.


katelise27

thank you so much for keeping up with it and updating this


irridescentsong

Do vape cartridges fall under the 60% cap? I tried to read through as much of this to see if carts were explicitly mentioned, and didn't find them.


hennytime

Those are considered concentrates and would likely be subject to a cap of 60%. Insane.


weeohweeohwee

correct. and to answer the question more directly - most in the current medical program are somewhere around 70+, but more natural concentrates like kief and full spectrum (non-diluted or adulterated) concentrates can easily hit 80-90%


hennytime

Yea, it will require additives to extracts and will make rosin disappear completely. Fucking shame.


Dro0412

So whats next? When is this gnna get voted in again and when will it get to the Gov office so he can veto this BULLSHIT Roach trash


weeohweeohwee

it doesn’t ever have to make it to DeSantis’s desk, and ideally it is killed long before then by a subcommittee or in the full House and Senate votes.


Dro0412

Ok. When is the next Voting taking place?


weeohweeohwee

i’m not sure if that’s been announced yet, i believe another subcommittee will meet this week, so possibly before the end of the week.


Mountain_Fig_9253

What’s next is we need to flood the phone lines and inboxes of the representatives in the next committee. They are doing this because they think there is no political consequences for it. We have to make sure they know that’s false.


CineFunk

It will continue to be brought back up in new bills, if that fails they'll attach it to something else. This will not stop as long as the legislature is controlled by politicians bought and paid for by the Private Prison and Alcohol industries. Voting out these people is the only solution.


DankLibertarian

It won't get voted in if ALL PATIENTS write their representatives telling them NO to THC caps!!! [https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455](https://campaigns.rocketlobby.com/say-no-to-HB1455) sign the petiton and write your congress critter


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talkstomuch2020

Anyone in Bradenton/Sarasota?


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weeohweeohwee

i didn’t hear a specific date or time mentioned for the meeting, but i wouldn’t be surprised if it was pushed back after yesterday’s ... debacle keeping an eye on the fl senate site in case of updates and on the house agenda i think one of the committees did meet today, but this did not end up on their agenda...


newsfake4114

https://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/ Call your state rep and senator now


BLG89

So when do the other two committees vote on this bill?


weeohweeohwee

i think another house subcommittee will meet this week, but TBA.


TerpleNurple

Awesome that you are so passionate and concerned but this will never go all of the way. Just politicians that need votes, finding ways to make their core audience feel like they are "fighting for good". This happens with things like abortion, minority rights, "the war on drugs", or really anything else these guys can find that makes them look more Christian or shows their base that they also have a soul full of shit and hate the same people they do. Don't stress yourself, nothing will happen.


mightyowlXD

i would change that to “dont stress but remember to vote out any senator involved in this attack on the medical program in 2022”


Seac00kie

Can't forget to vote out each representative that voted no as well.


TerpleNurple

Sorry, I forgot I live in a world that it's needed to remind others to be socially conscious and to vote for those that have your best interest.


mccgatdt

Complacency on the patient’s end is what will cause us to wind up with bullshit caps & lawmakers making (even more decisions) about our medical care. It sucks that we as patients even have to fight these battles in the first place, but we do what we gotta do to continue to have access to medication that works for us. I’d rather put effort into this fight, even if it doesn’t have a chance to being made law, than to risk sitting it out & having an aw shit moment if it did. But to each their own.


TerpleNurple

Nothing is going to change any of this besides ensuring people are aware of the fact that they essentially vote for these clowns when they choose not to show up and vote at all. Wasn't trying to say there is anything wrong with fighting. Just feel bad seeing a ton of people emotional about something that will never come into fruition.


themasterkrinkle

This is inducing murderous thoughts to me ... how can the people let this stand?


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weeohweeohwee

It's supposed to go through the Health + Human Services subcommittee first, then to the house floor vote. It can also be debated (and filibustered!) in the house. Since the repubbos love a good fillybust these days, I think we should prepare to give them a taste of their own unregulated medicine)


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weeohweeohwee

yeah there are no guarantees. it can definitely still go either way, i think it’s better to be positive than defeatist, but unabashed positivity won’t get us over the finish line. the bill is still real and Republicans are on a kamikaze course of a congressional season, both here and in other states, and nationally. there is a very concerted effort behind all of the recent untasteful proposals by holier than thou republicans.