T O P

The hits just keep coming.

The hits just keep coming.

No-Reality-8760

Insult to injury: trying to pull off a heist during our anniversary. This is probably the most brutal Gacha / economy change the game as ever had if this stands. We are simultaneously throttling the shard economy AND multiplying the pity cost by 1.5x for heavily desired units AND L and locking shit behind ex2/ex3. Speak with your wallets.


Key-Direction5382

My wallet is completely closed. They think they have a captive audience, I laugh while I play Fire Emblem Heroes.


Matix411

Is the mobile FE any good???


RadiantPKK

I’ve enjoyed it, depending on the mode don’t expect to be top dog over night. That said, next month is our big event, Choose Your Legends 5. I’d follow the help guide in the sub and grind all of story mode, hoarding the orbs until that banner then summon. If you see a favorite summon for them if you want this is just a recommendation. That said, snipe the color (summon only for the color) of the unit you want to pull when you decide to summon. Best of luck if you decide to play and welcome to the community.


Matix411

Thanks for the tips :) I'll have to check this out later today! Not sure what you mean by summoning only for the color tho 😫


La-Roca99

Because normally a unit you like is from 1 specific color(red,blue,green,colorless) So pulling only that color is usually the way to go if you dont want any of the other units As an starter however, I do believe getting more units is better for you, since variety will help you dealing with some chain challenges(use a certain amount of full teams to pass each round, team 1 for round 1 cannot be used on round 2 and viceversa) Kinda like a tower event but shorter


Matix411

Ahhh okay, have played a game recently with a similar idea with units. Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! Just need wifi so I can install 😁


La-Roca99

Okey If you need help, you can just ask me, the other user, or simply go to the FEH subreddit We will be pleased to help you


RadiantPKK

When you reroll an account you like link it to you my Nintendo and I’ll add you if you want. In game modes where you can use friend units, mine should help carry some content solo if your units die. best of luck and La-Roca99 chimed in and is offering to help too so that’s great!


Matix411

Well apparently I'm stupid and I already had an account. That said, I remember hardly anything about the game which leads me to believe I played it during a long weekend where I was drinking lol. No idea how long ago that was either. I have a character named Lethe who has a red frame? I feel like that's a New Years thing.... 🤔 Looking at units with Legendary effects vs units without effects, but all the frames are yellow I dunno which are good or bad lol. Gonna have to read all the Beginner stuff again. How do I add you guys???


szukai

I have a bunch of units and still don't know how to play, all those high difficulty fights still own me.


RiseCoochiekawa

Heroes is great last I played, haven't touched in a minute cause busy with other gachas but, they'd been doin a lot of qol updates last I played


Drowner_pheremones

Honestly its more pay to win than ffbe by a long way, you need 11 of one unit to max them out which takes anywhere between 1000 or 3000 orbs you get roughly 20 orbs for free per week people hoard orbs for over a year to guarantee one plus ten unit they like. And maxing out units matters for scoring in arena you also need to pull new units to score better and you also need to pull new units to get upgraded skills, on top of needing to pull legendary/mythic heroes to score in different seasons its really dumb.


sogiotsa

i got bored with it, i have some real good characters and i just kind of ran out of steam. if you like fire emblem tho, def play it a bit for yourself


mornstar01

I have been a spender of this game for the past 5 years (not nearly big whale, but enough to be able to more or less get every unit I want). And this thing they we have with the premium units is turning me off (a pretty forgiving spender/supporter of the game). People in this community know my stance on Gumi, I’m very fair (sometimes too fair for my own good). But this banner (even if they have 50 shards in the summon token shop) as well as Aerith’s and really Sephiroth’s banner is absolutely turning me the hell off to the point where I am actually starting to consider maybe jumping ship. All I will say is that I have now (this is a promise to myself) completely closed my wallet. Whatever my stash is now, is what I will use. Until Gumj changes their tune, it will remain closed. It is unacceptable to give us this drastic and unfair change of an economy which is further worsened by the introduction of CoW and how DV is taking the spotlight in lieu of trials. Not only that, but we have been getting shite amounts of free lapis, etc…


MatriVT

Well said. I am doing the same. 0 spent until Gumi makes drastic changes.


majik0019

The banner thing is bad, but really, ANOTHER week, during the anniversary, with no event?


SGxox

I actually love this. We still have KM event to farm, elemental challenge battle coming and I still haven't caught up in the story and now there is more. No event weeks are the best weeks, way better than mindlessly pressing repeat to kill weak raid boss or whatever.


majik0019

This is the anniversary - we should feel like we almost have too much to do. I have 6000 NRG pots (thanks chocobo slots). I would like to have a reason to use some


SGxox

Says who? It's torture on those weeks we have raid, item world and arena on top of KM grind. Thankfully that doesn't happen often. I much prefer relaxed time with little to do in the game. Besides we have slots now too and even that takes up too much time.


Stanwii

Apparently an unpopular opinion, but I'm with you on this. I don't see it as a dead week. We are getting an event and more story. It doesn't seem like the right criticism.


ploploplo4

It's almost as if Gumi (or SQEX) just wants the game to die already while milking every last dollar it can on the way out


NDomitableEX

This is probably not to far off from the truth if I'm not mistaken Naruto Blazing did something similar right after it's Anniversary before it Shut Down. Only reason I think it might not be the case is we just got a new Game Mode in COW....Unless it's in beta for us just to test out before it inevitably drops on JP


MatriVT

My fear is that CoW won't be back for.....potentially months. Dunno, but I feel that way. Maybe I won't be here, so that's fine.


Shodspartan

IIRC, they said it would flip flop with DV.


MatriVT

That's what they *said* but I have a feeling it may not come for a while....something along the lines of *fixes*...sounds about right.


Aromatic-Confusion16

cow might be a beta for jp, who knows


The-Phreak

They say a lot of things but do very little.


Drowner_pheremones

If they don't get rid of the EX3 scoring restrictions im not sure i even want it back, because that shit is ridiculous makes dark visons the f2p mode in ffbe which is insane when you think as dv units were designed to be whale bait.


IIBass88II

Makes you wonder if they have another gacha game in the work that justify this milking cof cof FullMetalAlchemist cof cof


ninjagabe90

I stopped paying attention to the news and all the latest drama or meta updates, while it's more fun and freeing to just pick units without those concerns. I also find myself not caring about 90% of the units that get released because it's hard to tell what they actually **do,** also been noticing units with like 1 or 2 skills now? is that so they can brave shift into the other half of their kit? What a worthless mechanic Also trying to keep up with the events and long ass dailies burns me out and I dont even play the actual content anymore. ​ Now we need EX3 for vision cards... might be time to drop this mess


noonesperfect16

Hang on ~ only getting VCs at EX+3 now? First I've seen of this lol. Was wondering why peoe were so up in arms lately.


SageDarius

It's specific only to these FFVII units because their VCs are borderline busted. You get a ticket when you EX+1 them that can be exchanged for any other unit's VC, but their exclusive VC only comes at EX+3.


noonesperfect16

Hmmm I see. Well if it's super OP then I suppose I'm okay with them being long term goals. There is nothing I currently *need* them for anyway.


ratbirdmonger

In a game with slow or no power creep that would be viable. But in this game if you wait for shard dungeon, off banner pulls, etc by the time you get to EX+3 the unit will be garbage. Their time in the spotlight (DV, CoW) etc would have passed and there would be no point investing in making them EX+3.


noonesperfect16

I mean I guess I understand that sentiment of units becoming "garbage" quickly, but it's a mostly single player game and you don't *need* meta units to beat the hardest content. Sure, maybe if you wanna tie for first place with a full perfect score in DV, but for what? A few more tickets and resources? I'm still using old units to get perfect scores on the first 4 stages of DV and I'm perfectly content with that. Every trial that comes out even has people in the community doing budget runs which use characters that are usually waaayyyy out of the meta. The only thing people get with being meta is basically making the game EZ Mode for a few more weeks. For me, at least, as long as I can clear all of the content then I don't really care that much about the meta.


ratbirdmonger

If you're not chasing the meta then there's not a lot of reason to go for EX+3 at all, unless you really love the unit or you want to collect the EX+3 VC for premium units. If either are the case, I get it and I'm a casual player and I only go to EX+1, by the time I can EX+3 a unit, I usually already have another unit who can do better at EX+1.


noonesperfect16

I take back everything I said yesterday. I thought they might make her shards a little bit harder to get, but not like this. I got her very first multi of the step up. I was pumped. Went to get her 5k lapis shard bundle, not there. In its place is an almost $50 bundle for 25 shards. Fuck that. So I head over to the special shop since they usually have them in there for 1100, not there either. Checked her purple coin shop, not there. I see no way to get any shards without spending a bunch of money for them. Can't even get her to EX+1. What the hell is this? Is it just the FFVIIR units that are like this now or are all units going to be this way from now on?


ninjagabe90

you get a vc select ticket at ex+1 now and you can choose from a selection of the older ones. there are some decent ones in there but they won't be as good as most of the current stuff


Raigheb

The sad part is: It's all during the anniversary. Gumi is SCARED of giving us anything we'd like. Who wants to bet that the "veterans" reward they promised is going to look something like "Here, have one Ex summon ticket for every 50 login days! happy anniversary!" I'll repeat what I already said in the facebook group. I really like the community but the I've been playing less and less and this anniversary, instead of hyping me up again, Is making me want to play even less. This game is kept alive by Veterans, And I think we'll have more people leaving than people willing to enter a 5yo game.


xArgonaut

how is the state in the FB group? just askin


truong2193

They only approve possitive any negative about the game even thats a fact then they still not approve it


xArgonaut

glad I left that group 3 years ago


Raigheb

Not really. I post a few rants and negative stuff there and it's allowed. I think most people are just tired of Gumi tbh.


loko745

I just quit this game to play genshin.


noctis2017

It's gonna be worse when the SLB units come where your EX level lowers the turn you can use SLB


GenjiOffering

But Cyan! I’m all in. And by all in I mean spend all my F2P resources and hope I get him lol


kwangchu

gumi really went "this is my anniversary, you pay for the party" and then you arrive at the party and it's literally tumblr's dashcon


GilGr

Well, it's an easy choise to me... no more crest pass or FoL, good job Bugmi


truong2193

"bugmi" nice one lol


tarlendo

Well, i did my part. I Just gave it 1 star on the play store


OlympicHippo

I did the same. Cant recommend this app anymore. It no longer feels like a game. More like a casino where the house keeps changing the odds in their favor more and more


PencilFrog

I did this a few weeks ago and looked today to see it was mysteriously removed... Might want to check again if you already have.


Lexail

I've had my 1 star rating ever since the gil turtles lol. I haven't had anything really hit me in the face to go "this deserves better."


xx17xx

Me too! The straw that broke the turtles back.


kwangchu

i was going to do the same but then i saw i gave them a 1 star review last year and never changed.


Farthousejones

That'll teach em!


PM_your_cats_n_racks

I did my part: instead of condemning the whole game over a few undesirable banners, I decided not to pull. We get four banners every month, they can't all be good.


The-Phreak

The idea that every banner can’t be good in some way is a rather odd stance to take. Why not?


PM_your_cats_n_racks

There are too many banners. Way too many. Power creep would need to be moving even faster than it does now, at an already ridiculous pace, for every banner to be a good one. And, for that matter, part of the strategy of gacha games, a big part of the point, is choosing when to pull. There needs to be some variety in banners for this to work. Ideally they'd reduce the number of banners, or do more repeat banners, but this game isn't designed for that. Or, you know, the simpler answer: in order for good things to exist, bad things must also exist.


Mirakk82

Yeah this anniversary made me quit entirely. The game hasnt really been bringing it so I went from whaling out to not spending a penny since Janurary. I watched to see if the annversary would get me excited, but no. It confirmed quitting as the best choice. Now I'm just watching the fallout on reddit and surprisingly it has gotten worse since then.


SHADOW-XIII

with new changes I completely lost will to pull more money in my pocket, thank you GUMI!


YRPYunie

Tbh I’m planning on quitting when FFX gets here.. I’m hoarding and will go all in.. When the events are done, I’ll switch to something else ! Was hyped for MANA.. Got nothin. FFX is my Best of all time and it’ll be a great way to close this FFBE Chapter 🙂


Nokomis34

I'm not quitting, but really not playing much outside of daily login right now. You'd think that during the 5th anniversary there would be something to drum up excitement. Like last year we got NV that reignited my interest. This year there's nothing. Worse than nothing, the anniversary events are turning me off of the game. Tedious AF 140 arena battles? Hundreds of chocobo slot rolls?


Matix411

I don't forsee myself quitting either, as I typically stop caring once my general frustration disappears after maintenence. But I definitely haven't been and won't be playing as often as I used to. Not that there's much to do anyway. I stopped caring about powercreep after NVA Tifa, and now that the powercreep is being further gated behind blatant pay walls (CoW ranking, Ex2/Ex3 Awakenings etc), I really don't WANT to care, but when a new hyped unit's actual potential is locked behind said paywall when every other previous NV/NVA was basically good to go out of the bag (or at least Ex1) it's a bit of a pissoff. I'll just keep floating along for now. Sigh...


MatriVT

Go out with a bang!


Oleandervine

Mana was dead in the water long before now, so it was a bit futile to get hyped for it. The skipping of the 7* event with Angela and Duran should have been warning enough that the NV event would be skipped too.


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loko745

A lot of people os quitting. Even the state at JP isn't good at all


liang_se

Sad but expected. Deep down i hope this trend continue, so this game finally crash, burn and die.


mat5356

The thing stuck in my head is ff series units being high on the list of what people enjoy from this game. It was on the live stream. Now I can only think that was their way of asking us what they should raise the price on


Boledaf

>I say we collectively sad thing, that could not be achieved. as i said before, if we stop with the last 3 bosses in DV (and can be applied to CoW) then all the people that can cap the easy ones, would get 1st ranking rewards, pissing the developers a lot, coz they so premium units would be worthless. BUT again >I say we collectively this cannot be done, with THAT one guy (of course, more than one) that dont care and give their money to gumi, mindless, so they can keep shitting on their face lol.


MatriVT

If there's a large enough majority of us complaining, you think Gumi would have to act? But then again, look at the 5th Anni rewards. Garbage until they came out with some BS story about how they had more planned but didn't tell us, bla bla bla, and now we're here....2 weeks later with NOTHING new for the Anni, only bullshit changes for the worse.


Crissagrym

With large enough crowd of people doing so, yes. Experience tells me you will never get enough people for a large enough crowd for Gumi to care though.


Dawn_of_Ashes

You say that, but I'm pretty sure we got a large enough crowd to complain about the anniversary and they have definitely commented about it with some changes (albeit, let's see if they stick to the changes they mentioned). We definitely have gotten enough of a crowd to make a change very recently so that's not off the table and is definitely not "never". The only question that remains if it would happen again.


Matix411

I'd rather target Squeenix. They have the final say, regardless. Makes forwarding feedback to Gumi useless if they forward said feedback to Squeenix only to have some corporate twat laugh in their faces.


hotaru251

>If there's a large enough majority of us complaining, you think Gumi would have to act? not really. depends on which group it is. ​ FFBE is a business to make $. ​ Gumi/SE get their pay as long as whales and enoguh dolphins pay the game. ​ F2P make them crap (ad wheel only) and thus their input has no real effect. (making players happy is a side goal comapred to make $) ​ Until the $ stop flowing to them they have no reason to change anything. If the whales keep paying them they still make the $ w/o any effort put in.


Aromatic-Confusion16

how many whales play this game, im sure if all f2p people leave, whales wont feel like they have a big pixel pp when they get rank 1 in cow and dv lol


Ubelheim

Don't underestimate the amount people are willing to pay because of nostalgia. I believe that is keeping the game alive more than anything else right now. They're already even at the point that they're playing into nostalgia for FFBE itself, case in point the voting for a GLEX unit NV rework.


Shirlenator

The group that would count as "large enough majority" doesn't exist on reddit.


MatriVT

You're assuming people from other FFBE communities wouldn't also complain? The people disliking the game currently isn't limited to Reddit, I can assure you that.


Matix411

What other FFBE communities? Discord? Brave-Exvius.com is dead. Those are the only two other communities I've ever been aware of.


izactuallydolan

Analytics matter much more than forum complaining. They do read this, but the userbase, logins per day, revenue per day, those are all easy numbers for them to get.


MeLlamoViking

Daily login pulls end this week, right? Time to bail for a time.


umtan

30 days. T H I R T Y Days. We are about 7/30 days.


MeLlamoViking

Oh dang. I saw the banner end date for tomorrow and thought the worst. Welp time to get 2 more irrelevant NV on those pulls lol


blue_terry

Yep I recently uninstalled FFBE too. The hype surrounding NV released was really good and became a new standard, but that got powercrept stupidly fast. Premium “NV” units were the last straw for me. Fyi, Romancing SaGa RE:universe has been a great mobile gacha game to move onto.


keker0t

Yeah that game handles the power creep and currency so much better than any gacha I have ever seen.


Matix411

Thanks for reminding me to reinstall Re:universe!


RadiantPKK

Good to know!


TomAto314

Is it confirmed that the 5k 50 frag bundle won't be there?


Aleksandair

Asked support and the was answer was that if it's not mentioned that fragments won't be in the shop, you can consider that there won't be a fragment bundle. Also they're not informed of unreleased content.


TomAto314

They never mentioned the frag bundle before though, right?


Aleksandair

Yeah, the answer was weird but I think that if the bundle will be there then the answer would've been more straightforward.


SGxox

Support probably has no idea WTF you are talking about. People getting all worked up for no reason, let's wait and see if the lapis bundle will be available first.


Present_Bend

Yes, this is exactly what I'm wondering. How would people already know that?


vencislav45

not confirmed but looking at Aerith week, there is a 90% chance we won't get it.


TomAto314

Yeah, I fear that as well...


Shirlenator

Aerith was free, that could very well be a factor into why they didn't include it. I'm not gonna cry about speculation.


PencilFrog

That's what we all thought about the other shard methods... Yet here we are, same shardless step up, same shardless exchange shop.


Euphoria6232009

Going by the current trend with paid fragment bundles, lapis fragments in the exchange shop, etc... I would wager that if we do get bundles it will be 5k lapis for 25 shards or 10k lapis for 50 shards. It would line up perfectly actually.


MrCaine1204

It’s possible but not likely. And if it is there expect a higher price tag. A clue though is the fact that once again there are no shards in the summon coin exchange which is exactly like Aerith.


Kordrun

All that is confirmed is that 50 shards will be available in a bundle somehow. No one knows how, but everyone wants to assume it will be the same as Aerith so they can complain about it. In all reality though, it will probably be the same as Aerith. At least that's what I'm expecting, and I will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be a 5k lapis bundle for 50 shards.


MatriVT

We don't "want" to assume the worst. We just know better....


Farthousejones

You mean like last year when this sub loudly assumed the WOTV collab was actually going to be what we were getting instead of 4th anniversary? Or how NV was going to kill the game? Or how Gumi wanted to actively kill off the game 2-3 years ago with the $47.99 guaranteed 5 star summon) Or how the Esther/Sylvie nerf was going to ruin them, despite Esther being meta for like a half year or more and Sylvie being the literal best all around 7star unit in the game, and still sees use today after her updates? Or how the new 7 star meta was going to kill off the game because now you needed to get TWO 5 star units omg Or how the power creep from Freyvia to A2 was just out of control and going to lead to lots of people quitting? You're right, this sub sure knows better!


truong2193

And you know why that 49$ 5* ex ticket never comeback ? Its because we push back and that bundle sale so bad it never comeback


La-Roca99

And yet, I still dont have Willhelm's STMR


Nickfreak

I have played this game since soon after Magitek Terra got released (still wish I had her): I basically moved on. Seriously, move on. Life is too short. I have spend a few thousands on this game. I can't say I regret it deeply, because it kept me entertained for all those years. But with the release of NV, something broke, finally. The game got rushed beyond everything excusable, stuff got skipped, especially when it benefitted the players. Units power creeping went beyond comnparison and the worst thing happened to me: Dark Vision ranking. ranking mattered more than before in raids, now we have COWs which is a repeat of the same shit, GUMI got greedier than ever, maintenances are as bad as ever... The game is just bad. A 2d game kicks you out every few orbs you spend on arena, unit rates are still stingy as fuck for how bad the power creep got.... I once for the Final Fantasy story. Now it's a shitty manga's worth of story and so cringey, it makes me wanna throw up. We have the umpteenth version of all FF characters (except FF Tactics, because apparently fuck that???) I can't stand it anymore. The anniversary was SO bad, I cannot describe it. A dying game trying to rip off their customers as hard as they can. I play Genshin Impact nowadays. Yes, they are bigger, but at least they keep the game entertaining with content, units, balancing, power creep etc. Lost Ark Online will release soon, I will play the shit out of that. Or at least as much as I can. I am 35, I have limited time to play with my job, family and all that jazz. I can't stand Gumi (or SQUEENIX') practiced anymore. Every other game would have had one major overhaul within those 5 years, or at least gotten more generous, Instead we see this stuff. Naw, mate. A guy can only stand that much shit before he pays and plays. edit: spelling


MatriVT

I feel you. I'm sure many others are feeling the same way. It's too bad because the game has limitless potential. If only the management wasn't completely lacking.


SGxox

The game was great at first, lots of strategy involved in setting up your units to complete trials. However with powercreep and other changes everything has gone downhill. Now trials are just following a script or you lose and the worst part of the game is DV type content which exists mostly to push hype for new units.


Nickfreak

Exactly. The game is basically: 1. repeat after repeat after repeat (Mog King, Raids, now DV) 2. hard content: follow these exact steps or get wiped 3. buy fresh stuff, otherwise you will fall so far behind that it's just killing any motivation.


Matrimthebard

I've been shopping around for a new gacha game. Tales of Crestoria has a good story at the very least, Last Claudia's spritework is beautiful but the gacha rates are SO MUCH WORSE I don't recommend it (used legit half of the entire story lapis trying for Mustang from FMA in the limited collab and nothing)


shamin10

Just return n hype for sepiroth… now the hype gone.. well done gummi…


Internal_Adagio_9039

I’m seriously waiting on the rage when Gumi does this with GLEX units. We’ll get a premium GLEX unit soon that only whales can properly use. Things are only going to get worse from here on out.


lucario192

I’ve also never really thought about quitting but I’m finding myself not carrying anymore about the game. I only remember to login before going to bed and just run all the stuff 1-2 days before they end. I guess it’s just coming naturally to me


BrianEighties

It's been said that the game is dying for a while and that it's stayed as long as it has(mostly from nostalgia) is impressive. These recent acts though feel like the equivalent of a last gasp; either the game produces profit to their expectation or it ends up in limbo/actually shut down. A last few cash grabs before riding off into the sunset is plausible. I would suggest to those who are spending on the game presently, just be careful with how much and make sure you have yourselves covered. Edit: Skim terms of service updates as well and don't skip over notices. If a notice is given "If you log in the game after this date you agree no refunds will be given" you'll know it's done.


Empty_Melodies

Gonna have my fun with these FF7 units then I’ll probably take my leave


MatriVT

Rip


Satinsbestfriend

I hate dead weeks. I wouldn't have done everything already (mostly) if I knew ahead of time.


SGxox

I love dead weeks, time to relax and catch up on story or whatever.


Satinsbestfriend

I just started season 3. I'm trying to avoid this... it's bad. And I know it gets worse. And there's no towns (with shops), espers or quest for the entire season!


xArgonaut

Scumi: hey celebrate with us on OUR anniversary! toast a few beers with us too! also Scumi: it's B.Y.O.B btw


Locke69_

Brave Frontier anyone? At the 5 year mark, it’s all sounding the same


Matix411

Brave Frontier is STILL more fun than FFBE lol


La-Roca99

Arena/Colloseum against whales Events that one shot you if you dont have the latest units BS Trials that also one shot you at any given moment because current units open them up in half ignoring thresholds Fun


Shuden

Are you talking about FFBE or BF? :D


JEDIIy2k

Maybe next year we'll be able to play as ourselves and spend 100s of hours grinding to be viable.


need2crash

just another way to grab more cash from people it kinda sad, I am saving for Seph i have over 50k and 100+tickets/ex nv tickets i just waiting to see how i get screw by off banner stuff, so i can quit


Satinsbestfriend

You'll get nothing and enjoy it ! :p


RadioFr33Europe

/u/Sinzar_ ’s latest video had this great comparison of JP vs. GL. [https://imgur.com/69wuTKt](https://imgur.com/69wuTKt)


Euphoria6232009

I like that GL has a pity but everything else is absolute trash. Everything costs money and not small amounts either.


RadioFr33Europe

The pity is super appreciated, but is balanced on a typical banner by JP having more shards and the shard dungeon. This banner is really worse for us in every way.


Euphoria6232009

Yeah overall it's a terrible move on Gumi's part and comes off as purely predatory. Even more so since they are making this kind of change during an anniversary period. For me at least this has me closing my wallet. Not even going to spend $7 on a fountain of lapis tomorrow and that and adventurers crest were instant buys.


MatriVT

Good comparison. GLs banner is worse in every way possible except the pity, lmao. Even if the pity was 40k....compared to JP's banners, it's still not as good as JP's IMO simply because of the missing shards. It's literally impossible to +2 Tifa with 1 copy EVEN IF you spent $100 on her shards AND waited 2 weeks for VIP coins. How pathetic is that?


RudraLong

Sadly I had already load some money in my google account. I will have to wait for some new game, no way I'm trowing any money in this


xJokerzWild

You also cant convert Reno into shards either.


CaptainnT

I don't even want Tifa so I'm not worried. I'll use tickets and daily summons but that's about all I'm going to do.


hassive-mitler

Just you guys wait until you go all out for sephiroth, and the very next week gumi will release a new GLEX unit, which will be sephiroth with black armor + obsidian helm + dual wielding katana! Super premium NV unit that deals 2x NV sephiroth damage, only 120k step up to pity him


AdmiralSandbar

So NVA Zeno? Technically a Rain but I'm down.


truong2193

i dont see what is the big deal here just pull 11 tifa with 1 10+1 lul /s


Euphoria6232009

I wouldn't count on everyone quitting. I went into Discord and saw someone with a dozen Aerith despite her being given for free. Gumi is still going to be rewarded and we will all still be here next month lol.


MatriVT

Speak for yourself. My urge to play is almost non existant with all this BS going on, and I've seen many saying the same thing.


Euphoria6232009

Of course at the end of the day I only speak for myself, but I've been here long enough to see posts about people quitting and the game just keeps chugging along. If people do and it prompts change then I'll gladly eat crow. In fact I hope it happens.


MatriVT

There's no denying the game is in the worst shape its ever been right now. The game cannot be sustained for much longer with how it's being managed right now.


Dardrol7

Its been in very rough shape before but this is def. the worst one since it could ruin the game and playerbase completly. Sad to see it go down like this :(


Kordrun

And this is what people said when 7\*s came out. And when Gumi did not release UoC tickets initially. And when Gumi rushed NVs skipping events and units. And when NVs hit with 40k stepups. Personally, I'm not sure which of these I would say is the worst. Sure, not being able to EX+2 Tifa with only one copy right away sucks, but the shard dungeon is still a thing. And premium NV units, at least based on JP, have not been that common. Now if the game moves 100% over to "premium" units like JP did summon fest units, then we have a serious issue. But for now, this issue seems pretty minor to some of the other shit Gumi has pulled on us, and people are still paying and playing.


BPCena

You've been complaining for months, yet you're still here


MatriVT

And yet you're still sifting through posts and complaining about people who complain. What a wonderful life you must live.


Farthousejones

Lol "sifting through posts" No dude. Every day there is more complaining that hits the front page of this sub. Yet no one leaves. It's all just toothless spam at this point because all you have to do is look at someone's post history to see they just love the attention from complaining. Like the guy who complained about arena runs and then a few weeks later complained about having to do item world. Both front page, both complaints, both clearly just there for attention. Seriously, just quit, you'll be so much happier. Edit: yeah dude, seriously. All your posts are complaining about this game. You really should stop playing it if it makes you that unhappy.


MatriVT

Hahahahahaha. No one leaves??? Tell that to my friends list. Just cleared another 10 inactive friends after already doing so last month.


BPCena

Must be great to keep playing a game you've hated for months, mustn't kinkshame I suppose


MatriVT

Who says I hate the game? I hate the people making these idiotic decisions.


Kordrun

No worries. He'll still be here spending money for months to come. His posts tend to just be attempts at free karma.


MatriVT

Free karma? Now there's a term new to me. What does karma even do on Reddit? Do I make money off of karma? If not, why would I care? You and BP would make cute little snobby children together.


KalleElle

White knight clowns that have nothing going on in their life get offended when you say anything bad about the game, because it's all they have going for them. Since the game only has so much content, some of them spend a lot of time on reddit, again because they're horribly boring people with nothing else in their lives. This warps their view and makes them think anyone cares about reddit points They see every bit of negativity as a personal attack so they have to compulsively respond to it Seems like a pretty sad existence to me lmao


MatriVT

Lul, Honestly with how bad the game is right now, I'm on Reddit way more - but it's usually to talk with likeminded people who are also hating this Anni so far as well, so there's that? And yeah, it's the same white knights in every thread trying to sound cool and *go against the grain* As if Gumi has *anything* going well for them right now? And the continued lack of communication only makes matters worse.


KalleElle

I've said it before (a long time ago now) but it's a shame the mods don't permaban these dudes that are constantly rulebreaking. I know for a fact that it puts lots of people off of participating in this sub that you have a group of obnoxious losers that make dozens of comments here a day and are in every single thread with their braindead nonsense


MatriVT

😇


Psychohistorian1

Totally agree, besides FFVII is by far their most popular/nostalgic series, so of course they will try to cash in and ppl will spend big.


Johnnyt1991

This shouldn't be shocking to anyone and expecting anything else was setting yourself up for disappointment. I wish those of you who constantly bitch about this game and say that you're leaving would actually do it though. You're annoying af.


MatriVT

The only thing Gumi has done lately is disappoint. You mean we should have expected Gumi to do the worst thing possible in the middle of the games Anniversary celebration, immediately after they acknowledged the players are unhappy? Ahhh, gotcha!


bluetuzo

>I say we collectively let Gumi(or SE, whoever you want to blame) know just how terrible the state of the game is right now, and it is their fault completely. Uh huh. And how are you going to do that, just curious? Post at them on this subreddit? Because I'm sure that will really get their attention. Just saying, I'm not a FFBE player anymore, but when I was on this reddit a year ago (okay, I quite less than a year ago, and when I was playing I was on this reddit a lot), it seems like there were posts every single day that said things like "We've had enough!" and "Lets let greedy Gumi know that this is unaccepatable!!!" And yet you guys are still here, a year later, playing their game, letting them know that whatever they do to you, you will keep playing it. Just quit already. Its worth it.


MatriVT

I stopped spending completely. Next step is quitting.


Farthousejones

I have some great news for you! You don't actually have to play the game if you don't like it. Believe it or not, this actually applies to everyone! You can actually just stop playing the game if you're unhappy with it instead of every day creating a new thread about something to complain about. Even if someone's is mad that we "have to spin so many slots" and also mad that they "stretch out the rewards over a month or two" (thereby not requiring you to spin 500 slots in a day, but whatever), or mad about all the free daily 10 summon...it's all ok. All you have to do is just not play the game. It's a super simple and FREE way to guarantee you won't need to complain about the game. I'd say give it a shot!


Sky-Forge

There's a huge difference between not liking the game, and not liking the direction the game is heading. People are upset *because* they like the game, and don't want to see it ruined by poor decisions and corporate greed.


truong2193

people complain is because they still CARE about this game and bother to using there time to complaint to make it better just like your parent shouting at you doesnt mean they hate you but they want you better and when people dont care about this game at that time the game really dead


mtech85

How will a business know how they are doing if people don't complain? I 100% don't mind these threads. It lets me know what others are complaining about and if it doesn't affect me, then I move on and I continue to play. Without spending money on Gumi of course.


Drught-_-

That's like the worst response possible, like the house is on fire and instead of calling the fire fighter you just change house, the problem is still there and the one who was doing it is free of anything.


Kordrun

Uh, sorry. I can't call the fire department. I'm too busy rolling slots in FFBE.


Farthousejones

Yes a burned down house compared to a free to play gacha game. Tell me again about bad responses?


Drught-_-

That's a metaphor, you have invested a game with your time, and when something goes wrong and could be fixed, you just quit, that's not a solution. When you're into something that's normal criticizing for it to be better cause you care.


Kordrun

Honestly, it's the best solution. The issue here is people keep playing the game. Sure, there are complaints everywhere, and some of them make it to Gumi's management's ears, but so few of them really result in anything. Quitting the game does a few things: 1. If you were a spender, it cuts off that source of revenue for Gumi 2. If you regularly do the rewards wheel, it cuts off that source of revenue also (though fairly small) 3. Gumi also relies on total number of active players as a "profit" statistic, which is why they keep doing these "comeback summons" So yes, quitting is the best way to get a message across to Gumi. The issue is: it requires a lot of people to quit to have any noticeable effect.


BPCena

More like the house is on fire and instead of doing anything about it you're just standing around complaining about how hot it is


vencislav45

We are complaining because we like the game and want it to improve and continue working. There is a difference between not liking the game it self and not liking what the devs are doing to ruin the game. I once tried Genshin Impact, didn't like it and uninstalled. The reason I continue playing FFBE is because I like the game and the combat system is very cool which I enjoy. But I don't like the bad business decisions Gumi is doing which is why i am complaining and want Gumi to change their bad decisions and become a better company so that the game can continue existing.


Kordrun

But that in turn is part of the issue. Active players is a statistic these games rely on. You're still there. You're still playing. To them, you are viewed as a potential spender, even if you don't spend. Add on to that if you do the rewards wheel, that's more money flowing their way (as small as it may be, \~$1 a day). So as long as they continue seeing good numbers in revenue and active users, they don't have to care as much about what they are doing.


Farthousejones

I absolutely **love** how every single comment that says "the best way to send a message to Gumi is to quit" is aggressively downvoted because, despite being true, everyone literally just wants something to complain about. Lol ridic.


Kordrun

People don't understand how monetization of mobile games actually works. Yes, having actual paid users is huge, but active users are even more important. Saying a game has 10,000 active users, all of who are whales is nothing compared to saying a game has 10,000,000 active users, of which 5,000 are whales.


PM_ME_YourRuneArmour

Kekw, i mean i am waiting for Sepi because i love simple units. But still. I fear for his banner now.


Sudden_Term_1978

I get all the anger about missing content in this game. The complaints about how hard or expensive it is to get ex3? I don’t get. EX3 is not required on day 1, this isn’t the last ever DV. You don’t have to cap DV. With the worst luck 60k and 1200 vip gets you to EX1 for a ridiculously powerful unit. Compared to pulling Cloud where the worst luck meant you just never got him. Then you can slowly get EX levels with off banner pulls shard dungeon and hopefully future fragment exchanges. (Hoping they put the premium units in those MK events in smaller quantities than not at all.) If you want her EX3 this week well it’s like they designed her banner and shops to actively discourage that. If you want to spend hundreds I just hope it’s within your means. I won’t and I’m sure we’ll both have an ex3 viable Tifa at the end of the day. Also, I too Ilwish the shard dungeon came more often but, I’m actually glad it’s not here this week with the system that is in place. I can already see the complaints if the dungeon had come before Sephiroth lol.


LordLorek

Forget EX+3; how about EX+1? If you go to pity and don't get a Tifa with pulls, there's nothing to turn those 30 frags into 50 without spending money on the shard bundles. The VIP coin shards don't show up until her banner is gone. I'd like to actually use the full capabilities of my 60k lapis unit when I pull it.


MatriVT

It's impossible to +2 Tifa if you had to pity 1 copy for 60K. Literally, there is no way besides spending $ on bundles with her fragments. These prices and way that they're selling these units is the most predatory bullshit. Veterans with big Lapis savings are screwed out of being able to guarantee +2 Tifa for lapis/VIP only (within reason..228k to +2 a unit?). And don't be fooled by the numbers, her and Seph HEAVILY rely on EX+2 for that damage you see on the charts.


TragGaming

They dont rely on EX2 that much. They only get LB fill at start of battle from EX2. You can get their STM without it.


Resnaught

GL has JP's EX3 abilities at EX2 so Tifa gets an additional +500 ATK, similar to how Aerith gets rod imperil at EX2. And her STMR was changed to stack as well so there is a noticable difference between pulling 1 Tifa and 2 Tifas in GL.


vencislav45

EX+2 gives 500 static ATK which is a very big damage loss if not going for EX+2.


truong2193

Are you 4 real man ? Let me break it down as basic as possible for you They raise the price to get 1/3 of a unit to 60k lapis They force us to buy 100$ bundle if we want to have a 1/2 unit ( ex 1 ) And yet they fuck us again with lock the unit kit behind ex 2 gate without anyway to upgrade it without pull more copy So in the end 60k for 1/3 of unit is unacceptable You got it now ?


GasIcePiss

You think that's bad? The finale is still u yet to come in August when Sephiroth comes, THEN you'll give up 🥴


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Kordrun

Seeing as how the only free Tifa in JP was OG Tifa, and Seph was never given out for free in any of his forms (OG, KH, and NV), I would say your memory sucks.


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MatriVT

Wtf does that have to do with anything?


Noname1459

Wuw


MatriVT

Updated to add Sinzars video. He explains the differences perfectly.


JessicaF84

I'm kind of not giving a fuck about this game atm, like I don't even want to do DV on the sheer fact I apparently need specific units remotely do well, IE Nichol. Its just getting irritating every new even you need to pull hard as hell to get units.


MatriVT

Lol and didn't they at one point talk about fixing the powercreep? Now its worse than ever and locked behind a paywall.


Rembo_AD

You can come to WOTV, where the units and meta are about as stale as a 5 day old doughnut and they keep changing the economy there too but not in player favor.


xT4skM4st3Rx

Thank you for reposting what everyone knew was going to happen last week. Also reminder that this really should go here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/comments/or1yvq/weekly\_rant\_thread\_july\_25\_2021/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/comments/or1yvq/weekly_rant_thread_july_25_2021/)


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