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How is it ridiculous

How is it ridiculous

BlorfagusDornkle

One-party state is democracy ​ War is peace ​ Freedom is slavery ​ Ignorance is strength ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ GenZedong is literally doublethink


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itsopossumnotpossum

Except in this case it literally is like 1984. Just because people misuse an example, doesnt mean said example doesnt have legitimate uses


hircinesirseen

Okay nerd


PutinsGayFursona

If I wanted a comeback I’d tell your mother to stop swallowing.


WalbrechtBayern

>LiTerAlly 1984 Stalinism was in fact the model for the hellscape of 1984.


dewakacang69

so it should be "1984 is literally stalinism"?


FalcoZuero

It is though


Double_Scene8113

The ridiculous part is the fact that over one third of them voted China.


hircinesirseen

Makes you want to die


tmhoc

hay guys, you wouldn't believe this but the outcome was influenced by all the voting machines we for got to ship with power cords.


ameesh_redittor

I mean its called LEFTY POLLS


SmokeyCosmin

This is exactly what I was thinking...


TheFelineWarrior

63.4% of the poll respondents think the earth is round


Acrobatic-Eagle6705

Even the anarchists are tankies


chopperhead2011

Based and globe pilled


hircinesirseen

What a bunch of idiots


OliverTzeng

That’s ridiculous because China has 36.6 percent lol, it deserves zero


don_sley

ZERO ?!!! c'mon dude that's generous,gaemers cant even play online games


Evening-Raccoon7088

Viable political parties in China: 1 Viable political parties in the US: More than 1 Free and fair public elections in China: None Free and fair public elections in the US: Numerous, on most levels of government


Avantasian538

The US is a pretty poor excuse for a democracy but it's still light years ahead of China.


thebigkahuna005

Why is that?


proletariat_pinapple

Corporate corruption, gerrymandering, first past the post system and the issues that electoral college creates. Better than a lot of the world but it really does need some reform. Truth is, most western democracy needs some form of reform. Many of the systems are actually quite outdated (US, UK, FR) as they were solidified in the late 18/19th C. They’ve only undergone incremental change since then and they could do with some large reforms to bring them into date with the 21st C Edit/ tldr: it’s not a bad democracy but it can definitely be improved


Better_Green_Man

Canada's PM just called another Parliamentay election only 2 years after the last one (you usually wait 4 years for an election) literally because his party would be able grab more seats right now.


RecallRethuglicans

Donald Drumpf proved that the White House can be stolen from the person who has the **most** votes.


xXPUSS3YSL4Y3R69Xx

Hey man im not a trumpet but the electoral college is a necessity and we can’t always go with most votes. If we did, that’d be called mob rule. We used to do that until we held some “trials” up in salem prove that mob rule sucks


Enameneneananamemes

Explain how the electoral college is a necessity.


xXPUSS3YSL4Y3R69Xx

Yeah maybe shoulda worded it differently. Was more trying to say it’s a necessity because without it we would have mob rule ie salem witch trials


MagicalSnakePerson

Look China is super democratic! Just look at how you choose your government: You vote for your representative! These representatives only get on the ballot if the communist party allows them to. Remember, if any non-communist member could run, they might bring socialism crashing down with their bourgeois and reactionary ways! You wouldn’t let a Nazi on the ballot, would you? Then the communist legislature chooses a leader. See, democracy! Xi Jinping is so good they voted for him to be president for life! A leader that good has to be listened to.


FleraAnkor

Lol. Even within your own echo chamber you lose.


pouya02

I have a question is this sub run by American or Chinese troll?


Fiagor

Communism haters from every country


pouya02

No I'm mean GenZedong subb


Waterman_619

Nah, just useful idiots from the West.


pouya02

Dude as Asian guy recently I found how much western have stupid and even in Twitter its get worse


ChocolateChocoboMilk

Well put my friend 😂


LeopardBusy

They were the ones that convinced me that white privilege truly exists


pouya02

Tell to them okey let black or non Asian person lives there just for one month


Bitter_Shit69

ikr


YallSkinnyHorseZack

could also be the 50 cents guys


Fiagor

I dont think those people are from china but they are china simps


ThermidorReaction

Communism lovers from every country


vorpalsword92

hell no, most of the people there are spoiled kids from capitalist western countries. occasionally someone will make the move to china, and will never be heard from again.


[deleted]

I mean he's not wrong. 36% is way to high.


hircinesirseen

What do u mean the nation that forces you to vote for a specific candidate ISNT more democratic?


SeedlessLemons

I live in a post-communist country. Eastern communists hate democracy, especially the elders. Most are chauvunistic and socially conservative. Even the communist party of russia [are against LGBT marriage](https://kprf.ru/activity/culture/167715.html) and in 2015 proposed a [4,000 ruble fine](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/politics/23/10/2015/5629f3689a7947066e293618) for coming out in public.


SugarOther9198

How the fuck can he say that


Odd-Contribution4610

I just got arrested by saying China is not democratic


Silentero

Do they even know what democracy means lol


SadRoxFan

He’s right you know, it’s ridiculous that China has more than 5% of the vote


Chillkat907

China is ass hole


nate11s

It is ridculous the 36.6%


geearethreenaed

both of these countries are just fucked when it comes to election integrity, but fr? china is less fucked than america?


hipdeadpool98

They're both bad examples of freedom and democracy. Some similarities: Pledge to the nation Ton of propaganda Hides the truth Oppresses people such as freely allowing one side to protest with guns yet people fighting for rights are more likely to be tear gassed and shot The federal and state government system means that someone who is different to the one that was voted in, has way too much say. Texas is the latest example because a republican is allowed to go that far Edit: I criticise my country as well when it shows even a bit of these traits. You all can't handle the criticism. And I was in Hong Kong at the peak of the protests, so I'm definitely not pro China. Just you need to understand that there's a lot of problems with the handling of the country and the way people are brought up


TheFelineWarrior

> Pledge to the nation No, in China you don’t just pledge allegiance to the nation, you also pledge allegiance to the CCP. > Ton of propaganda > Hides the truth Not even comparable in scale. > Oppresses people such as freely allowing one side to protest with guns yet people fighting for rights are more likely to be tear gassed and shot No. *source: me, a former resident of ~~CHAZ Land~~ Seattle* Besides, this bears no similarities to China. > The federal and state government system means that someone who is different to the one that was voted in, has way too much say Valid criticism. But it does not give a specific political party unfair advantage. And this also bears no similarities to China, which is a unitary (not federal) state.


hipdeadpool98

So you're telling me that the propaganda from Trump isn't brainwashing people? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/10/08/government-communication-propaganda-427290 And as an outsider, when I hear you do the pledge of allegiance that often, it just seems insane to me. At a college game? Let sing our love for the country. Most other countries do it at international events. The oppresses part was because I don't need to explain what messed up stuff China does to their citizens, but it does bear similarity on a smaller scale which is still worrying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html Is that not worrying? When one side can actively plan and break into a government building because there's a lack of police stationed, as well as police off duty joining in. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refinery29.com/amp/en-us/2021/01/10258897/fbi-warning-memo-armed-protest-capitol-attack And the federal and state part was because someone who isn't voted in, has too much say. And the similarity to China is that well, they have too much control obviously. If you only worry about it when it's too much of an issue, then it's too late. For a first world country, USA is lacking a lot of freedoms. I do hate China a lot more, but from an outsider, USA has it problems as well. And for the final source, this is about media freedom. And well, if you're interested, you can read about it. https://rsf.org/en/united-states Of course I might be biased, so you're welcome to provide sources as well


TheFelineWarrior

> So you're telling me that the propaganda from Trump isn't brainwashing people? The difference is, in the U.S. you have every right to not believe — and even openly voice your opposition to — government “propaganda,” on and off the internet, [without having to worry about being punished by the government](https://twitter.com/SpeechFreedomCN). Is it “brainwashing” if you have the right to not believe what they say? > And as an outsider, when I hear you do the pledge of allegiance that often, it just seems insane to me. At a college game? Let sing our love for the country. Most other countries do it at international events. Are you confusing the national anthem with the pledge of allegiance? Bottom line, in the U.S. you can opt out (like Jehovah’s Witnesses do) without having to worry about being punished by the government. > When one side can actively plan and break into a government building because there's a lack of police stationed, as well as police off duty joining in. I guess you might not know what was happening in my hometown Seattle last year. Not only did communists and anarchists ([armed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jr0ILcX9hY)) occupy an entire neighborhood, including a government building (police station), they even put [Angela Davis](https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/A3KSOZP6CREJFBTKH7TM5PO33U.jpg)’ (a well-known communist activist) poster on the police station’s door. Oh, and [they also attempted to seal the doors shut, trap officers inside and burn them alive](https://mynorthwest.com/2114190/rantz-rioters-burn-seattle-police-alive-sealed-door/?). **Guess how many of them were shot during all of this, which lasted for about a month? ZERO.** Though there were two fatal shootings in the area, *neither* was by police. (In contrast, the mayhem in the Capitol building lasted for no more than a few hours, and yet the police already fatally shot one person, Ashli Babbit.) > but from an outsider, USA has it problems as well. Every country has its problems, there’s no denying that. But I’m afraid that you, as an outsider, are not getting a fuller, more unbiased picture of what’s actually going on in America. Many journalists in the news media have been very forgiving and sympathetic toward communists in their reporting — seldom do they ever use words like “riot” and “rioters” when describing the events in Seattle, for instance, which they would not hesitate to do when writing about Washington D.C. In other words, far-left terrorism is treated with much more leniency than far-right terrorism in most of the news media.


hipdeadpool98

Thanks for opening my view a bit, sources are a bit biased sometimes so that's why I added the last part. To discuss your main point, I do agree that the left can get away with more in the left leaning media. In the UK, there's a regulator called ofcom, one of the requirements is that it requires impartial reporting on tv or radio. Something mimicking that might be required in the future as one side can not go too far either way, as no one benefits from that. No one learns anything that opens their view, and it only spreads hate to the other side. However, when Trump bypassed the media, that was troubling. When journalists were being threatened by police, that was troubling. As I edited in my original comment, I was in Hong Kong during the peak of the protests. I was actually surrounded by people who were black shirts. I saw how they acted, tear gassing and water cannoning almost everyone. So I do have an understanding of what it's like to be in an area oppressed by a communist government. Now, I'm not saying the US is communist, but that the signs are there of oppression. Which is the most worrying trait of communism yet it exists in US as well. They only don't go further because they can't get away with it. If they suddenly shut off access to the majority of the internet, the world would take notice. It's not about them being communist or not. It's about holding them accountable when they go too far. USA needs to do more to get up to the rest of the world standard. Now, if you want more examples of other countries, to see that I'm not biased- I'll happily give sources of the worrying trends that I know.


TheFelineWarrior

> In the UK, there's a regulator called ofcom, one of the requirements is that it requires impartial reporting on tv or radio. We used to have something similar called the “[fairness doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine)” enforced by the federal government. But the federal government stopped enforcing it in 1987 (under Republican President Reagan), and officially abolished it in 2011 (under Democratic President Obama).


WalbrechtBayern

>Some similarities: Pledge to the nation You have no obligation to pledge allegiance in the US. Thanks to a large number of court cases by right wing religious fanatics, forced pledges are illegal.


hipdeadpool98

Just because they're illegal, doesn't mean they don't do it. And a large majority will be getting away https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/forcing-children-to-pledge-allegiance-is-undesirable-and-unconstitutional-so-why-is-it-still-happening/amp Now, I may not be know what it's like exactly, but I have seen a few times when the topic comes up on Reddit that students are punished or peer pressured into it. https://www.salon.com/2013/11/08/forcing_kids_to_say_the_pledge_of_allegiance_is_bullying_and_pointless/