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FortKA19

Fuck Gna. She was a pain the ass.


Jeck_Dragon

Gna was actually pretty easy for me, fuck some of the berserkers tho, especially when there was more than one.


Merrikbear

Hopped on for a few hours this morning to make some story progress. I did the double berserker fight, and then the triple berserker fight. Suddenly it was night out and I have aged 30 years. I did nothing else. Just those two fights. I suffer. I have not reached Gna and am now scared


Particular-Trick8746

Gna makes some of the berserkers look like kittens. God she's tough.


Merrikbear

Thank you for the warning, time to go cry in to my pillow and come to terms with the inevitable stroke I have while fighting her!


Mr_ButtonBoy

You’re gonna love her! she’s like sigrun, but doesn’t blind you… she’ll only fill your whole goddamn health bar with bifrost…


couldbedumber96

Gna is a throwback Valkyrie but with even more shenanigans compared to sigrun


damian1369

PC player here so I have to wait about a year to fight the new missus, but I do have one question: I hated the sigrun battle for one reason alone: her health bar. The fight, while fun, became very tedious very fast, because I successfully countered most attack by the end, but doing every counter 50 times is tedious, not fun. Please tell me it isn't so here with this Gna missus?


couldbedumber96

😬


damian1369

Message received


Buschkoeter

Fuck, I totally forgot about her. I actually was done with the game, haven't touched it in days. How do you find her?


flamboyantsalmonella

She's in Muspelheim, where the Crucible side quest is.


r31ya

This is me trying to defeat Tree Sentinel at lvl.1 with wretched build with wooden bonk... I try it over and over again, from afternoon till i look to the window "short while after" and realize the sun have gone down. I then simply goes to the first enemy camp, stole a greatsword, and then with it succesfully kill Tree Sentinel in like 5 tries.


Skeleton_Weeb

Last night it took me 20 tries to defeat one under prepared (Elden Ring trained me well), you mean to tell me I have to fight THREE of those bitches? Please tell me they at least have decreased health


Merrikbear

Two of them take damage when you hit either of them so you just gotta KILL two but good luck getting that far! I mean, I believe in you, but good luck! Some of em do seem easier than others, so I hope you killed one of the big dick ones!


FortKA19

Yeah, they were a pain too. Worse than the Valkyries from the first one, in most cases. Had to turn on miniboss checkpoints on normal just to beat some of them. They ramped up the difficulty in this one for sure.


Jeck_Dragon

My ass with skill issues on that sól build and normal difficulty developed some bad habits during those fights XD. Can't imagine doing some of them on harder difficulty, especially the >!bifrost!< one.


FortKA19

Bifrost was awful until I realized that healing with Valor got rid of it, which was cool.


JudgeDreddx

There's a shield or enchantment or something that makes your shield bash pass on status effects. Fucking broken for applying bifrost to enemies.


Jasole37

Rond


Cloudsbursting

G


releckham

God I’m so happy fromsoft didn’t cave and add shit like boss checkpoints and backseating npcs telling you what to do 24/7


[deleted]

One Berserker with a purple healthbar is bad enough. But three? With red? Yeah, not cool man. Wtf.


Jeck_Dragon

Unless you're playing on higher difficulty the only thing I can recommend is coming back with better gear lvl, since that's all the game cares about, not even stats, just gear lvl


KingBatBoss

True, that's what annoys me about the stats. The level of gear matters more than it's stats. I'd hoped they'd change that from the 2018 game but I was disappointed.


Jeck_Dragon

The stats do something at least for me, normal difficulty sól armour with 400 vitality by the end, was pretty hard to die.


KingBatBoss

I should've considered endgame, because I do agree with you there that the stats do matter. Hell today, I just made an endgame build with a focus on ranged attacks. But going through the story, from beginning to midgame, I was just looking for higher level hear with perks that sound nice. I did not consider stats then.


vicboss0510

With those 3 I had more problem not because they were hard, but because camera angels fuckd me over and over. And these 2 sisters were just spaming AoE, Freya was useless


karljh

Yea fuck the fight with 3 of them, after many attempts I had enough so I decided to just run in circles and throw spears at them 😂


Jeck_Dragon

Lol, I really gotta try to play on a harder difficulty so I gotta do a different build cuz normal with sól armour is kinda ez mode


iifartingninjaii

That lightning berserker was a fucking pain in my ass god I detested that fight.


Schwiliinker

gna was way harder than malenia bro


PixelBoom

Seriously. She was way worse than King Hrolf. Though I think that was because Gna only has like 2 attacks that can be parried and the berserkers can all be easily parried to make them super easy.


Homtanks2

I think in general blue circle attacks annoyed me the most and made me tune down the difficulty. Being just out of range to interrupt attacks without having perfect timing and losing 1/3 of my health was pissing me off beyond belief. Even on easiest difficulty Gna was not a cakewalk.


Schwiliinker

balance is so weird because the king and gna even on like story difficulty AND starting with half health are significantly harder than everything else on like normal/no mercy Same as sigrun on easy vs any other boss on give me a challenge


Darth-Baul

Havent fought her yet. Harder than Sigrun?


Redditfront2back

Idk I fought her once I was basically maxed out and it wasn’t too bad, did need to use the recovery stone though


LeoShun08

I think she's harder than Malenia


ExtraMOIST_

Not even close lol. Sigrun maybe, but definitely not Gna.


LeoShun08

You only have about two mistakes against Gna and you're as good as dead. Besides, cheesing Malenia is a lot easier. Gna on the other hand took everything from me and I had the best equipment on.


Octavian-

There’s more variance in the difficulty with malenia. If you fight malenia with a melee build in the classical souls style she’s way more difficult and it’s not even close. But you can also trivialize her with certain builds + summons. Gna basically is what she is and there’s nothing you can do to make the fight easy.


LeoShun08

Which is why I think she's harder. If you want to beat her, you really have to work for it. If you want to beat Malenia, respec to one of the many builds that destroy her and spirit summon. I'll get downvoted regardless but who cares. I Hope I got my point across


Octavian-

I don’t think the point is lost on anyone but “harder” is context dependent and you have to understand that the community here likely fought malenia in a way that made her significantly harder.


LeoShun08

Yet if you're not purposefully trying to handicap yourself she's easier. Its like playing Gna on the hardest difficulty


Octavian-

Gna on the hardest difficulty was still not even close to as difficult as beating malenia 1v1.


LeoShun08

I disagree. All of Gna's attacks except for one on the hardest difficulty one shot you regardless of your defense stat. Malenia is not this unforgiving.


TheApocalypseIsOver

Even then only GMGOW, sigrun, *maybe* if youre stretching it.


Yarzahn

A bunch of builds bitchslap Malenia around. Arcane with dual wield bleed, poise monster tank or jump-strike 2colossal, most heavy casters (both int or faith). Any build that's not a regular stab-stab trade of blows. There are 100 ways to cheese or simply brute-force Malenia, given her low health and low poise. On my first Elden Ring run I used bleed and Malenia was completely trivial because of how fast the fight was. The hardest bosses in the game were Valiant Gargoyles (by far, died more to this than every other boss combined) and Radagon + Elden Beast. On my second run I went int with astels wing and she also fell very fast to just spell pewpew. She never felt like the hardest boss because of this. With Sigrun, you kind of just have to learn the moveset and the proper timings (haven't fought the valkyrie being talked about yet, just fought Heimdall)


TheFiniteVoid

When I was fighting her it was crazy how I was laser focused, trying so hard and after like 5 minutes she was still over half health. Crazy fight


GoGoGadgetGabe

Same man, glad my room mate wasn’t home. Said some foul things while fighting her lol.


waffle-lvl-100

Both teams did an amazing job, can’t wait for more great games next year.


LeoShun08

So much passion was put into them and what a Time it is for the gaming industry.


Legarchive

LOL right. These games are excellent. The rest of the industry is in a sad place.


hoonthoont47

Maybe if you only play AAA games


capp_head

Just get into indie games


Disastrous-Resident5

Nah, play old school RuneScape. It’s the only game you need


IAmVerySmart39

What games from 2023 are you most excited about?


TestamentRose

Elden ring dlc


Wolfsonnn

Elden ring dlc


Cryovix

Elden ring dlc


Schwiliinker

wo long, lies of P, wukong, atomic hearts, starfield, maybe FF16


IAmVerySmart39

I have the first 2 on my Wish list too! Not sure wukong or starfield comes out in 2023 🤔 Also, Silk Song, and Stalker 2 should be fun too!


Schwiliinker

There’s so many others too wtf. I literally have a list of like 50 upcoming games. Never played stalker and it’s been on my radar. Also been waiting for RE4 remake


cooldude4374

You don't need to say "Valkyrie women", because "Valkyrie" is a female only term.


iafklife

Female women everywhere thank you for the distinction.


Phobos613

In their defense maybe valkyrie has become a kind of adjective to some to describe that style even though it would normally be a noun - so I can get how it's used that way.


Tellsyouajoke

Even if it has become an adjective, it’s still women only


Phobos613

Indeed.


cooldude4374

its not a big deal. I just thought it sounded silly.


TheClayCoCannaisseur

As someone who's first playthrough was on No Mercy, I hated Gna more than week 1 Malenia.


LeoShun08

I played on balance and she still two shots me regardless of my defense. Hands down the hardest boss of the year


TheClayCoCannaisseur

Hardest boss for no good reason smfh.


Schwiliinker

way harder than malenia even if you literally play on story difficulty


Urbane_One

What is the character on the left from?


cazu7

war god of


IvanIsResting

What?


kennyh90

Dad of boy


Troodon79

Father of teen


kennyh90

Papa of youth


Cryovix

Patriarch of youngling


kennyh90

Supreme being of whipper snapper


Sbtycraft

Calm and Reasonable Parenting Sim 2


_pippp

Deity of battles


duckontheplane

Higher being of conflict


Silver_Crusader

Man of slight misunderstandings


DeGozaruNyan

Boi of whatever


MasterOfMankind

It’s from this new game called Apocalypse: Deity of Conflict.


Seigmoraig

Who is the guy on the left


ZiggyApedust

Cory Barlog


hoonthoont47

Cory M. Bison


Cloudsbursting

Mmm… bison


ThatITguy2015

John Cena.


thewandtheywant

John xina


Arrathall

Actually the perfect design is Kratos' massive milkers


uberguby

here's a joke I used to make while playing GoW4 and fighting valkyries. "They have this move, it's such bullshit, where the valkyrie flies up into the air then lands on you, and you're looking up at her while she stomps on your neck and screams unworthy." then, hopefully, my listener will say "why is that bullshit?", to which I can say "Because it's not fair to make the player pass out from having an erection!" Ok that's my joke, that's the joke I like to make.


MillstoneArt

Something moved just from reading that.


h3lblad3

It was the flattening of your brain folds.


MillstoneArt

Ah the valkyrie must have stepped extra hard that time. 🥴


Jasole37

Valkyrie Queen is nothing compared to Malenia. If VQ healed herself every time she hit you, itd be more even.


kennyh90

The trick with malenia is don’t get hit, unfortunately for her and myself it’s a very violent relationship and she’s nowhere near the victim


Jasole37

I have slight nerve damage in my left hands. I can't dodge roll out of the way. I'm physically not fast enough. I have to block the hits. (Edit: I meant BOTH hands not left hands)


WardenWithABlackjack

There is a way around having to dodge with the fingerprint shield and a bleed poke weapon like a rapier or cross naginata. Max out your guard stat and bleed and you should be able to outdamage her healing. You of course need to dodge her scarlet aeonia but you can certainly brute force the fight


kennyh90

Left handS? Damn man how many you got? Seriously though that’s shit and would definitely make it all the more challenging especially on her


LSD_SUMUS

He grafted himself some more, just like Godrick


kennyh90

Hands gruber


Klabbo

Damn you're really on hard mode, no way I could play a souls game without the roll. Tried rebinding it to a button operated by your right hand?


Top_Lettuce4054

I did it by playing it like a sekiro fight, parrying everything i could, (she has a lot of parriable attacks) and using the wheel chainsaw thing weapon you fiind in the manor i think, you get a lot of ripostes and also the bleed on that weapon is inanely strong, only difficult part bein the flyiin anime bs and the clones she sends in second phase


Top_Lettuce4054

Plus imo parrying is the most enjoyable and rewarding method once you get the hang of it, it s so much like an ellegant dance that you actually miss fighthing her when you beat her


sober_1

Can’t stun lock and mimic tear VQ though


Darth-Baul

The healing stuff is so redundant. If she’s landing that many hits on you to make a difference, you’ve already lost, heal or not


SkronkMan

Did you play on GMGOW difficulty? Personally I had no issues with Malenia but I’ve still never once killed Sigrun. Not even like a quarter of her health bar. It’s way more difficult in my opinion.


Ippildip

I just don't have the patience or reflexes to learn 12 attack tells and remember how to react in time to each one.


Schwiliinker

that definitely sounds like an exaggeration


Ippildip

Okay, play the first game on a higher difficulty level and let me know if it is an exaggeration. The last Valkyrie uses the attacks of all the prior Valkyries, and you have to respond to them differently.


AnonymousGuy9494

Mf have you ever tried Valkyrie Queen Sigrun on hard or very hard? You die so fast the amount of health she heals is insignificant


Worried-Wrongdoer714

Having fought both, I have to respectfully disagree. Malenia was hard sure, but it was more about patience and learning her limited moveset. Gna however, had all the moves of Sigrun and more. She might not be able to heal but goddamn was her healthbar so fucking large.


RaineV1

On hard difficulty I'd put her on a similar level as Malenia. She can blind you and basically kill you outright with that stomping move.


Schwiliinker

i'd put her way above even on story difficulty


Schwiliinker

you can be way stronger in elden ring and do way more damge and heal way more. Gna is harder by a massive margin even on the easiest difficulty


Queef-Elizabeth

Gna is tough as hell but she is not Melania


Darth-Baul

It’s been almost a year. How the hell do some of you people still not know her name?


_pippp

There are countless people who speak only 1 language (English) and yet still don't know the distinction between your/you're, or how to use apostrophes. I wouldn't be surprised if people can't get a name right


MasterOfMankind

The biggest offender for me is folks who say “effect” in situations where the correct term is “affect” (or vice versa).


Darth-Baul

But she literally spells it out for you every single time she kills you. You’d think gamers would eventually get the name right. It’s not even a difficult one.


_pippp

I know, darth baul, but such is humanity.


Ippildip

Because we're all typing on our phones and sometimes we lose our battles with autocorrect?


Responsible-Tell8144

Sigrun is better then Gna imo not that it matters


LeoShun08

She absolutely is. Brutal but fair. Gna is flat out cheep


shredfan

Gna was dramatically more enjoyable than a lot of the berserkers. I enjoyed her fight.


Frostgaurdian0

To be serious i think a good boss/enemy design is the one that require us to study their movement rather than needing high stats just to defeat them. Some bosses in elden ring lie in between, some bosses love making sure you get hit like gargoyles.


DeGozaruNyan

For Asgard for Asgard for Asgard


NimaVellon

valkyries are traditionally depicted as women? soo


Entitled3k

Am I the only one that thinks Mohg is worse than Malenia?


Wolfsonnn

I do tbh


deylath

I can see why. I remember how many hours i fought Friede on my first character and then she just became a pushover for any next character cuz how exploitable she is while doing nothing but dodging. Malenia is somewhat similar in that regard.


Hellish-Hunter

At least the Queen of the Valkyries was somehow fair and fun to fight , can't say the same about Malenia


Romapolitan

I had more fun with Malenia than Gna


de_hell

Woke


WolfLordEdvard

Yes but Malenia isn’t that peak of design in terms of bossfight for From’s standards.


LeoShun08

Yeah, I think its poorly designed. Its for the memes


WolfLordEdvard

If only she either: - just had good hyperarmour during attacks’ start ups, but her stability was broken like other bosses, with no cancelling recoveries into waterfowl dance. - Recovery cancels would remain, but she would have no hyperarmour and no stability to break. She would of course be able to block your attack and dash out of your chain… I don’t know she feels so much more like a Sekiro boss than a Souls boss. I love her and hate her at the same time.


LeoShun08

I hate the fact that she Can kick herself out of stagger at will. You Can hit her and she would cancel her stagger animation into a kick before you recover from the attack. Its so weird


_MintyFresh_-

Malenia wasn't great. Worst fight I've ever experienced in any game I've ever played.


Wolfsonnn

Lmao


Picklejho13

Gná was a bitch to fight then I realised you can shoot sound and hex arrows at the soundstone and sigil attacks


JackalTanHorn

Your partner literally yells “ITS SIGIL MAGIC” or “SOUNDSTONE!!” when she does those attacks.


ninth-eyed-mercenary

I don't remember Valkyries being described as having magic space cancer.


AvatarCabbageGuy

I 4 try'd malenia on my first playthrough with mimic and darkmoon greatsword, so on journey 2 I wanted to attempt beating her by myself... took 4 hours


Sculpdozer

Ironocaly, both games have absolutely different gamedesighn approach


Purple-Banana-3148

Hands down funnest boss fight! Go let me solo her


Kurus0

GOD OF NO ONE!


ertehbasi

Oh yeah, give me more unblock-able random jab attack


HagureSCN

the only two game that make me angry and yet i cant stop playing it . . . .


achingbrain

These guys are the best in the world at what they do. Really fun to see their two faces, side by side, for the first time. Jarring in a good way.


Sensitive_Major_1706

"peak game design are barefeet" -Myiazaki in his mind, probably


green_boy12

Gna wasnt hard at all! Compared to sigrun of course


Sad-Mango-4232

Winged Malenia would be ideal


LeoShun08

So, just phase 2 Malenia


Sad-Mango-4232

Yes, both woman with wings, perfect image


buzzyingbee

It took me a whole week to finally defeat Sigrún back in 2018... I haven't fisnished Ragnarök yet but, taking some of the berserkers for example, Gná will be way harder


EngineerFront

Gna was harder than malenia for me


MitchellFootballTeam

Grond


Ne0guri

Gna was an amazing fight. Super difficult but satisfying.


Scary_Replacement739

Personally, I prefer to get my anus stretched by Desolating Gallu Stormcallers (guess the game!). But I get the sentiment!


douclark

Beat melania no summon lvl 125! Felt awesome!


SnooCats2517

Cory wasn't even the director lol


LoveDieRepeat

Valkyries were a thing in GoW2018 you know