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Angryspud97

This fight was way worse at launch. They nerfed the A.I of bosses in duo fights in patch 1.04 iirc. Whenever you're fighting one boss, the other will now become pretty passive. Before the patch, both bosses would just relentlessly gang up on you. They were pretty bullshit back then.


GreyJester1996

People who fought Ornstein and Smough back when DS1 launched are rolling on the floor laughing


og_tea_drinker

Or the two Sharks in the well in Bloodborne. Hahaha, imagine if one of them was passive, instead of diving 200m across the room one shotting you.


fakemim

I didn't struggle with Godskin much really at launch, but those sharks are such bs hahaha. Rakuyo was my fav weapon as well


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah but u still had sleep river of blood deaths poker comer,comet azur and other bs weapons to destroy them with


Angryspud97

Not everyone knew about them back then.


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah so ppl prefered to complain instead of either getting better or using a better weapon


need_a_poopoo

Are you angry that the Godskin Duo used to be hard and now they're not? You sound angry. You're good at this game. Perhaps don't have a go at people that aren't as good as you. It just makes you sound like a dick.


Low-Signal-6596

Im absolutely not saying they should make them harder im just saying ppl shouldnt complain about a well thought thru boss while also ignoring all the option the devs gave them to destroy the duo and no im not trying to be a dick


need_a_poopoo

You seem to be ignoring the fact that these guys were relentless before being nerfed. They absolutely were not well thought through. People were complaining because the duo was absolutely a poorly designed boss fight. You're also ignoring the fact that some people create their build around a specific weapon or magic set and perhaps what they chose is not compatible with defeating the Duo. Sure they can respec, but why should they have to? This is their character. Every approach should be viable. As for the other options, like sleep, people just didn't know about it at that point.


Low-Signal-6596

I understand that and i agree but im talking about the current duo and the fact that ppl are complaining to this day and calling them a mistake where their current state i think is very fair


need_a_poopoo

Yeah I have no explanation for that. Even if they can't do it solo, they could summon Bernahl and Tiche/Mimic who would make short work of them. Even though they're not as hard as they once were, I still don't enjoy fighting them.


Low-Signal-6596

I mean i dont mind if u dont like a specific fight not everyone like the same things just dont complain while youre clearly ignoring all the option the devs gave u


Lobo5thousand

Day 1 was easy af and every approach is viable, i think i did it with dual +13 whips just cus it was fun. People can use whatever they want but complaining about difficulty is annoying as hell, this sub is gross as fuck cus of it.


need_a_poopoo

I agree. People complaining about difficulty all the time pisses me off too. If you find a boss difficult it's a fun challenge to overcome them. Just because you found Godskin Duo easy AF, doesn't mean others feel the same. You know they were a challenge for many folks back then. Everybody finds different bosses hard or easy.


Dtab321

Awww the poor baby demands a hard game be fair and easy.


need_a_poopoo

Me or the other guy? I make no such demands. The game is pointless without being difficult IMO.


nimshwe

there is a reason you're maidenless tbh


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah and so are you


LeatherHovercraft664

Bro what is your deal? Not everybody playing elden ring has hours per day to grind their character - do u understand there are people working full time with kids who probably get 3 hours max a week to play the game? Honestly just delete this whole post you make yourself look like a fool


Low-Signal-6596

Bruh im not even gonna start talking with u if u already from the start assume that im some 2k h tryhard who plays this game every day


nimshwe

Touch grace friend, you sure sound like you need to let go of some frustration


Low-Signal-6596

Bruh another salty guy who thinks im some tryhard with 2k hours in this game


nimshwe

I didn't say you're good at the game, I actually think you're dogshit. I said you have no friends.


Low-Signal-6596

And i didnt say i care about your opinion


Evkero

I know you’re getting lots of hate for this take but you’re right.


Low-Signal-6596

Thx man


Dtab321

No it wasn't bad at all. They needed it because a bunch of kids complained constantly about thier viginas hurting. It was way easier than orstein and smough, but people will cry till they get what they want. That's the world we built I suppose.


Angryspud97

>It was way easier than orstein and smough, I mean, each to their own ofc, but I completely disagree. Seperating O&S is really easy to do due to how aggressive Ornstein is and how slow Smough is. You also only have to kill both of them once. Pre-nerf Godskin Duo would stick to each other like glue and just relentlessly attack you. You also most likely needed to kill them both at least twice before the fight ends aswell. They are way more manageable now after the nerf and because it's common knowledge that they are weak to sleep. But they were almost as tough as Malenia back when the game was still new imo.


Dtab321

I know how hard they where, I downloaded the game on release. They where not that complicated, you just had to chip them, you couldn't go ham, really. Orstien and Smough was a harder fight. Like you said "each thier own" but I don't compare length of a fight to difficulty.


Angryspud97

Neither do I. I'm going by the fact that I was able to beat O&S by myself when I first played Ds1. Godskin Duo was the only boss in ER that made me resort to spirit ashes.


Dtab321

Beast was my bane....I turned the game off for a week because of him.


Angryspud97

Elden beast wasn't too bad for me. I found Radagon a lot tougher. Most of my deaths to the Elden Beast were due to me not having any flasks left thanks to Radagon. Malenia was who took me the longest though. She's the only boss in ER that I spent longer than a day on.


ApplePitou

Well, it depends on the person because some people may have problems with the boss but you don't have to :3


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah but i kind of get upset when ppl who are calling godskin duo a mistake for example are also ignoring all the options the devs gave them


ApplePitou

Therefore, it is better not to worry about such things :3


NefariousKyou

Being given options is hardly the same as being pushed into respeccing, now is it?


Low-Signal-6596

I didnt even respecc once in this world and i was using a slow weapon and not even any meta incantaions AND a helmet that is debuffing me


Ok_Astronaut728

“Slow claps for your high and mighty ass” Okay bud. You proved yourself.


Away_Macaron6188

They were a crappy duo boss, This is coming from someone whose favorite fight is Biggie and smalls from Dark souls 1


Low-Signal-6596

ER is my 1st souls game and this was my 1st time fighting them![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|stuck_out_tongue)


Away_Macaron6188

The fight wasn’t hard, I just didn’t enjoy it. I got really good at fighting god skin apostle after randomly finding one super early in the calid tower.(mostly due to me being super underleveled and refusing to leave even after every hit being a one shot)


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah its better to learn the noble tbh cuz hes the only one that is able to spring to u. You also need around 38 vigor minimum at least for me and some knowledge about their AI and a lot of patience i personally really enjoyed this fight but i understand that not everyone likes the same things


deathsticker

Different builds also excel at different bosses. When did my dual colossal weapon ir moonveil builds nothing phased me, even pre-patch (radahn felt like an actual joke pre-nerf). But other builds I have done haven't gone that way at all. Especially more dexterity oriented builds that DONT focus on bleed or strictly magical builds that get wrecked by smaller areas or terrain pieces blocking their spells. It's good that you felt confident in beating the boss and did so without much issue. But when you play through again using different kinds of builds you'll see the strengths and weaknesses of bosses/enemies/builds more and more.


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah but i was doing it with a slow weapon too and with a faster weapon even without bleed i think i would do fine its just a matter of patience


deathsticker

Heavy weapons primarily utilize jump attacks which do heavy damage and heavy stagger. Doesn't matter if the swing speed is low when you can jump and roll. I've never struggled against godskin anything while using heavy weapons because those weapon types are great at dealing with them and their attack patterns. And patience and looking for an opening is a part of any fight with any weapon.


Low-Signal-6596

So why ppl are still complaining if patience is part of any build while fighting godskins?


deathsticker

Because the godskin duo more heavily tries the patience of other builds.


Low-Signal-6596

I mean yeah just cuz u cant brainlessly rushdown a boss and u acually have to wait doesnt mean the boss is bad


BefuddledAltruist

The fight's been nerfed since launch. The heavy one used to roll right over those platforms.


Low-Signal-6596

I mean he still does it semetimes but i know the dodge timing on it so its not a big deal


BefuddledAltruist

Pretty sure they also used to be way more aggressive. I'm not 100% sure, but I remember reading that they toned down the aggro in the multi-boss fights so the bosses weren't jumping over each other to hit you.


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah ik but ppl and youtuber are still complaining just cuz ur 20dmg per hit run is hard with godskin duo then its ur fault not the bosses fault


_Fony_

They will never stop complaining.


Low-Signal-6596

Its one of my fights in the whole game rn right up there with morgott fire giant placi and mohg


Ready-Ad-8889

u can literally copy and paste this response in any context to something that is difficult.


Low-Signal-6596

I mean yeah


Eastern_Signature_62

Praying for day when ppl new to souls to realize that people struggle differently with different bosses 🙏


_JumpyExplorer_

He says months after launch. They've been nerfed, they aren't even close to how they were initially. On top of that your build is probably better than most people's first time after launch just from passive and active consumption of gameplay info online.


Low-Signal-6596

As i said to the other guy im only talking about the current duo and the fact that ppl are still complaining to this day even tho u have a shit ton of option to cheese them and broken weapons to destroy them like sleep deaths poker rykards sword comet azur and other sorceries paired with sleep or even alone


_JumpyExplorer_

My apologies, I thought you meant the complaints in general


Low-Signal-6596

Nope only the current ppl and youtuber calling the current duo a mistake


NefariousKyou

It's not that it's terribly unfair per se, it's just that being ganged up on by two bosses that were designed to be fought individually isn't too fun for most people, regardless of difficulty.


Low-Signal-6596

They werent meant be fought individually fromsoft on purpose gave u multiple chances to learn each one of them b4 fighting both at once and u still have sleep and deaths poker rykard sword comet azur fallingstar beast jaw and other broken shiet and ppl are still complaining


kung63

I mean even it not hard for you . It still a crappy duo boss that reused previous bosses there are not even design to be a duo and a cheap way to increase the difficulty.


Low-Signal-6596

Theyre not reused fromsoft on purpose allowed u to learn each of of them seperately multiple times so u can learn them b4 fighting both o them at the same time


kung63

> Theyre not reused fromsoft on purpose allowed u to learn each of of them seperately multiple times so u can learn them b4 fighting both o them at the same time This doesn't make than fun to fight and doesn't change the fact it a lazy reskin duo. You know who is a great reskin boss fight, Margott Ornstein and Smough, Abyss Watcher, Demon Prince is how you done duo boss fight correctly. No reused boss bullshit. Actually design a duo boss fight from a ground up.


Low-Signal-6596

Morgott and mohg are great fights i agree but it still doesnt change the fact that fromsoft gave u a shit load of options to deal with the duo if u dont want to just learn them


kung63

Fanbase doesn't complain about Orphan of Kos or Isshin of being hard. Despite they are more difficult than Godskin duo by the fanbase , they are praise to being two of best boss fight in entire series. The problem not because Godskin duo is hard. It because they are unfair, reskin and cheap way to increase the difficulty


Low-Signal-6596

Bruh i already explained why they are the way they are but im gonna add this fromsoft wants u to learn godskin cuz theyre prob gonna be a big deal in the dlc


[deleted]

I beat them first try myself, didn’t even know people thought they were hard.


Low-Signal-6596

Just type godskin duo reddit in google and youll have a good laugh my friend or godskin duo reaction in yt to see some double katanas and rivers of blood spammers get smacked by the duo


runQuick

what level were you when you fought them?


Low-Signal-6596

Somethig between 95 and 100 im not sure but around 32 points were into endurance anyway


runQuick

You got some skill! I struggled on this duo until I used sleeping pots.


Low-Signal-6596

U just need to play a bit carefully i just wait for fatty to sprint to me or i throw something at him to trigger him and never touch skinny cuz when skinny is at full hp hes very passive so u only fight him when fatty is dead and hopefully kill him b4 fatty gets respawned just a tip always look at skinny while starting to fight fatty cuz he sometimes throws frieballs at u but overall theyre not too bad


Hulli0815

How can you know such things if you only fought them once?


Low-Signal-6596

It was my 1st time fighting them but the fight itself took me around 10 tries


Hulli0815

I see


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah


NussNougatCreme94

having to hide behind a obstacle is no good boss design. in general duo bosses in this game are bad


soulsborneidiot

"you have to actually pay attention and pick the right moment to attack" congratulations you've learned how any game with combat works. headass


Jean_kirsten

People that are complaining about boss fights have massive skill issue


Low-Signal-6596

Yeah especially that u still have bs weapons rn to destroy them with while paired with sleep like deaths poker rykards sword double bleed seppuku curved sword and comet azur etc


Jean_kirsten

Troll crusher my beloved


Low-Signal-6596

Ahhh a fellow man of culture


drondizzle

Ya


neil_d_86

I wrecked them first try, no sleep pots. I actually killed both of them and apparently their individual HP bars are not tied directly to the main boss HP bar because apostle died first, then fatty, then I killed apostle again and there was like 10% on the bar left so I had to literally stand around and wait for him to respawn it was strange


Low-Signal-6596

That happens regardless if u kill both of them when they die b4 respawning each other


Outrageous-Bread2459

They’re quite easy when the sleep arrows are used


Stock_Strain_4088

Try spiritcaller cave then


Low-Signal-6596

I already have like 5 hours b4 this


Squeamis

Easy games have made people lazy and stupid


Objective-Garage5615

Post is cap


_Fony_

The player base is bad and has made the devs nerf every boss. Best way to enjoy elden ring is to torrent 1.0.


nimshwe

yep, sounds right, from software is famous for backing down on difficulty when asked As if this was anywhere close to the backlash they got for sekiro or ds3 You're literally consciously wrong at this point, or you're breathing with your mouth open


_Fony_

few more bosses down and it'll be true.


drondizzle

Totally not true, but cool man


_Fony_

only a few to go and it will be.


drondizzle

Well....it'll still be a fun game


Low-Signal-6596

I wish i could but ima xbox pleb


GopnikLordJC

Damn, all these downvotes just cause you’re good at the game lol. Everyone in this sub talks about “git gud” but as soon as someone is better than them they get salty.


Low-Signal-6596

Fr some ppl just are too lazy to get the sleep pots and prefer to complain or they complain just cuz their fav youtuber cant get thru godskin duo with their 20dmg per hit chellange


soulsborneidiot

i walked into their room without knowing it was a boss and accidentally beat them on my first try. a lot of people can do it, especially after the patch. it's not about "lol they're mad you're good at the game", it's this "do people really find \[x\] boss hard???" bullshit we go through every day in this subreddit. the answer is always yes. people do find \[x\] boss hard. not everyone has played the game the same way/played video games as long as you have/etc. yes. people do find the boss hard. congratulations on beating it one try, we're all very "proud" of op