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PhDPool

If I was in a room with Perceptor Miriam, Dung Eater, and Varre, and I had a gun with two bullets, I would shoot Perceptor Miriam twice


Arkomancer

Shoot the Dung and Varre, proceed to slowly and relentlessly beating Miriam to death with an empty gun She gets staggered easily, beaten her on a melee char with poisoned knives. Got to the last teleport point, found an opening to get in range once and interrupted her every attempt to cast the big bow.


PhDPool

Running towards her only for her to teleport away as you’re about to reach her made my blood hurt


Arkomancer

Yeah. I didn’t hit her once before the tower flipped. Ran up till she ported, cleared mobs and went on. Once she gets to the “circle” phase, you can get in range for knives where she still tries to shoot you instead of porting. At that point you don’t have to dodge much, just land one stagger with a knife and so long as you have enough stuff to throw at her she just dies. On the other hand once the tower flips she doesn’t teleport away from he first location fast enough. So you just run up and murder her so long as you time attacks and not just spam waisting your green bar. It’s an obnoxious encounter, but not that difficult the moment you realize how it goes.


ChaZcaTriX

There's an even easier way. *She's a puzzle boss*. Her teleport points are all under the overhead beams. Use a ladder to the left to climb up, channel your inner Ezio Auditore, and drop on top of her with a plunging attack.


idlechatterbox

Wait long enough up at the top and she'll come to you. I killed her straight melee right side up.


s4ltySerum

Shoot varre twice, leave Perceptor Miriam with the Dung Eater.


PhDPool

Dung Eater, Dung Eater, makes a corpse, what comes next, is even worse


jareckiii

The Office! I use that quote at work all the time. 🤣


msquared4

I killed her before inverting the tower, imagine my surprise when she came back to life when I came back a few hours later to flip the place around


SadoAegis

Dude I was so unhappy when I found out she was still alive


Automatic_Case8358

I was happy to get to see her face of pain and agony again as I killed her with a giant pizza cutter


InZanity666

Indeed. Preceptoroni


Broserk42

The best flavor ☺️


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Zikiri

In my first run, she was a real PITA when I was clearing the non-inverted tower. Later when I inverted the tower, she fell off the ledge while trying to snipe me. Was pretty happy with that outcome lmao.


JonnytheGing

I used her own stupid magic bow attack against her


Ryewin

This was honestly the most fun way to go about it, felt like a genuine mage-off sniper battle I hope they buff that spell


dennisleonardo

It already got buffed lmao. They reduced the FP cost of Loretta's greatbow significant reduced the FP cost of Loretta's mastery (wasn't worth using over the "lesser" version before that). I think it's good right now. I don't think it's supposed to be an easy nuke that you can use well in actual combat. It's more like a sniping tool to take out or weaken threatening mobs or roaming bosses from afar before they aggro you. Goes great with terra magica to improve the damage per shot. Definitely not a must-have by any means. But I generally find it helpful often enough to give up a slot for it.


Mister_Krunch

With Pineapple


Broserk42

You madman


OldButterscotc

For me she was just annoying for teleporting away over and over and over


Any_Start3652

Pain in the ass. Gotta say though, getting in the right spot where they couldn't hit me and then throwing Loretta'


a-snakey

I bolt of Granax'd her off the ledge. Was hilarious.


flanculp

Solid verb


ItTolls4You

What's utter wolf of radagon water is that collapsing stars can't pull her off her initial platform in the upside-down version. She gets pulled, and stops immediately at the edge, even if she's already on the edge.


Shinobi_Daniel12

I have the ancient weapon of Italian mass destruction, now how do I invert the tower


CobaltMonkey

> ancient weapon of Italian mass destruction You cannot use this to invert the tower. You can, however, make it lean.


Shinobi_Daniel12

I did do that now to invert it


Robobvious

Continue the Ranni questline iirc.


Automatic_Case8358

Do rannis questline until you get the fingerslayer blade in nokron. Then give it to ranni and you get the inverted statue


Shinobi_Daniel12

Ok follow up question, how do I not get jumped by the two gargoyles, I do have the mimic summon on standby.... that might give me an idea


HillInTheDistance

To be fair, she probably felt the same seeing me come back to life. Again. And again. And again. And again. (She killed me a lot.)


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dusktilhon

I never even went through the regular tower in my first playthrough. Didn't even know it was there until I flipped it.


hillzcatz

my bf was like make sure you kill her so she’s gone before you invert the tower. That did not work as I learned the hard way lol


SadoAegis

Oh thats extra awful


hillzcatz

also equally annoying to have to kill her twice for the sorceries she drops


celticfan008

I was pissed until she accidentally yeeted herself off the bridge while I was trying to clear the hands off at range. Bye bi^i^^i^^i^^^tch


UtheDestroyer

It was so much better than being on the top floor of the study hall, that shit was so fucking annoying


Mech-Waldo

It felt good to kill that bitch from above with heavy bow though


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I was also completely devastated when she returned. I was so upset I cheesed her with rot bolts. 10/10 no regrets.


dratsablive

I cheesed her by getting her to fall down the elevator shaft.


Farts_McGee

Yup that's what i did the first time. The second time i was welcome enough equipped to knock her over and kill her before she could get away.


lottasauce

Rot bolts?!?!


PillowTalk420

It was easier dealing with her in the inverted version. You can use gravity magic to pull her off the ledge at the first position. 😈


sithjustgotreal66

Even without gravity cheese, the inverted version of the fight is way easier. She can't just teleport in a circle forever like the normal fight lol


PillowTalk420

I swear the first time I got there, she stopped moving around once I took care of the ghosts; but every subsequent time through, it's like she just keeps summoning more ghosts and going around the room forever. :/


Twl1

My first, all-blind run through the game was on a melee build. After about ten minutes of not getting anywhere because of that teleport spam, I remembered Carian Retaliation had an Ash of War variant for shields. Popped back to a grace and slapped that shit on the Carian Knight's shield...*because what other shield should it go on*? I then spent another twenty minutes letting her slowly kill herself as I just chased her around haphazardly fighting her mooks, spell-parrying, and feeding her magic right back at her. Slow...but *sooo satisfying* when she finally dropped.


yummyyummypowwidge

This dumb asshole walked off the ledge to her death the second time I fought her (INT build). The first time was a STR build and I was miserable


Scary-Inflation-685

Oh that’s ɯɐᴉɹᴉW ɹoʇɔǝdsoɹԀ


babaganate

She didn't come back for me after I flipped, somehow. Will test again on this run through.


saikrishnav

She always came back. You also get two different rewards.


water4animals

Wait wait wait. Invert the tower??? And she’s still alive??


msquared4

Yup! Inverting the tower is part of Ranni’s quest. I didn’t know that was a thing and explored the tower before hand and beat Miriam, came back after getting the inverting item and she was respawned, cost me a nice 100k runes dying to her


water4animals

Jesus Christ well that is some great info for my second playthrough I just started. Grazi!


NilEntity

Damn then I'm glad I didn't kill her before inverting the tower. Would have been so pissed if I had to kill her a second time.


JirdyBirdy

Pretty sure you get different reward for killing her each time though.


Elminster2031

Yes, your reward is 22,000+ lost runes and some crap you'll never use.


Karthull

You get both rewards for killing her the second time. My friend never managed to kill her, but got both rewards when inverting the tower


Pegussu

Fun story about my playthrough: I did not know she was in the inverted tower. When I first went there, I saw the entrance in the elevator and went into it, thinking it was a little secret area. I instantly plummeted to my death, but I was rewarded the Lucidity sorcery. I thought it was a pretty funny joke from Fromsoft: you see a hole, blindly walk into it, you get a sorcery sarcastically praising your intelligence. Imagine my surprise when I was watching a streamer play it and see that Miriam is in the inverted tower and drops the Lucidity sorcery. I guess I made it far enough into the bottom of the tower that she spawned and fell to *her* death too.


msquared4

Uno reverse!


Plantar-Aspect-Sage

I wish that there were secret items you receive for killing yourself in specific ways.


Z_414

Really? I killed her before inverting it as well and she never came back. Unless she’s just an NPC and I never came across her?


msquared4

I’m not sure what she classified as, she doesn’t spawn in like an invader and instead stands guard in the tower and as far as I know this/these fights are the only time we see her


CrystlBluePersuasion

She's like an NPC miniboss with some special behaviors, namely the teleporting. These were more common in other Soulsborne games and behaved just like the NPC invaders, they were like denizens of the world rather than invaders from another/their instance or timeline of the world. As a Preceptor she's similar to Seluvis in arcane powers and I think they lend to each other's lore somewhat. Seluvis had a puppet body ready for Sellen, I think Miriam has another body to 'jump' to after we first defeat her. Seluvis may not be entirely dead himself...


Plantar-Aspect-Sage

> Seluvis may not be entirely dead himself Seluvis may not have been alive when we spoke to him in the first place...


wildeye-eleven

I wonder if they changed something in a patch. I killed her before flipping the tower a few days after release and she stayed dead. But now I see ppl saying she comes back.


msquared4

Maybe, I think I got to this part around a month and a half to two months after release


Socksthecat12

Fuck this absolute coward


bennyboy20

Hides behind her big meaty grippers


indiblue825

What did you say, PUNK?


Own-Army-4201

BIG. MEATY. GRIPPERS.


tacbacon10101

Aye, these grippers ain’t just for attracting mates!


indiblue825

WELLLL these grippers ain't just for attracting maidens!


Saxophobia1275

I legitimately died more to her than most bosses.


swans183

She cheesed me so I cheesed back lol


KingJohn6th

For me she was just annoying for teleporting away over and over and over. It took me so long to catch her.


1nfam0us

One my dual greatsword build I had to strip everything off to get down to light equip load so I could dodge shots and out run her. My magic character hardly even broke a sweat with glint stone spells.


JaegerFromMay

Got a problem that needs a solution? Get but ass naked! No one likes a crazed naked person running at them full speed!


bruhballsxd

yeah, but when you invert the tower it’s even worse


equityconnectwitme

Is it? I was able to run up to her and kill her immediately while inverted. The first time was a PITA. Felt good dropping on her head from the rafters though.


immigrantsmurfo

Yeah, before the tower was inverted I couldn't catch up to her no matter what I tried, she would just teleport before I could do damage so I gave up. Later when I went to invert it she didn't teleport once and I annihilated her.


Alone_Spell9525

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DROP ON HER!?!?! I spent way too long chasing her up and down the stairs to get *just* in spell range


OHniel90

I don’t know if you are SUPPOSED to drop on her, but she definitely didn’t run or teleport when I did. Take the ladder up and you can run right above her and she won’t move too much. One good drop attack with a colossal greatsword.


zman_0000

I got to the point where she was teleporting in circles in the tower and just kept chasing and occasionally throwing a lightning bolt at her. Then when I ran out of fp resorted to counter sniping with an underleveled bow. Yes I am a fool, yes it took WAY too long.


equityconnectwitme

Lol there's a ladder on that floor that you can go up to get in the rafters. She just so happens to stop under them, so you can drop down and bonk her on the head.


bubbabubba3

Talk to me about this tower inversion. I killed her after many hours and had no idea where to go. Wanna do it in ng+


CookieOfFortune

Completing Ranni's quest line gives you an item to invert the tower.


Gooddude08

Note that this is only completing part of Ranni's questline, that gets you the Carian Inverted Statue. There's definitely more to do for her past that if you want the Ranni ending!


bubbabubba3

Sweet thank you guys


sonderlostscribe

Part of Ranni's questline.


R_V_Z

Fia's too.


autoboxer

Bow and poison arrows are the way.


ExtraCheezyBagel

“Stop running you little shit!” -me, with only my Lordsworn Greatsword


Apokolypse09

If you crouch behind a railing so she can't hit you, she will eventually stop shooting and just walk up to you. Just gotta be careful of the explosion from the arrows.


KingJohn6th

Well, I wish I had known that!


WanderingWizzard

Pain in the ass. Gotta say though, getting in the right spot where they couldn't hit me and then throwing Loretta's Greatbow right back *chef's kiss*


Misommar1246

I did this too, with zero shame, cackling at my ingenuity. Fuck this mob.


fizzledizzle86

I did the same and then switched to rot arrows out of spite…


sithjustgotreal66

Yeah the last time I fought her it turned into a pretty intense Loretta's Greatbow duel. The closest to fun that this fight will ever get


cammdog1515

I threw on Radagon's Icon to increase my spell speed, then just stepped out and did my own Loretta's Greatbow. Then as soon as mine fired I could just dodge roll backwards and hers would miss me.


VintageAutomaton

Exactly my move


JollyNeedleworker1

I just stayed at range and hucked lightning spears too she died. No ragrets


Plinian79

This is the way


GhostlyPepper5555

Fuck Preceptor Miriam, all my homies hate Preceptor Miriam


tacbacon10101

This man understood the prompt ☝️


Ramapaa_Apara

Never have i ever felt good using poison in souls games but theres always this exception.


monito29

Poison?! Bitch deserves **rot**


AnEducatedFool

nah. rot kills her too fast. Poison is where it’s at. Slow but certain death.


mrbuttcannon

Love poisoning em and watching them teleport to every oxygen atom in the joint


break_card

Fookin diabolical


Petro1313

Well if it ain’t the ~~invisible~~ teleporting cunt


Aonaran84

Huge turd


warblingContinues

That’s fair.


jononthego

I was so under-leveled when I first got there but I was determined to not leave until they were defeated. It took about an hour as a melee build lol but worth it.


Quickerson

The fact that she kept running away, gave a different type of rage, the Micolash type of rage.


Oneiros1989

As someone who was fresh off Bloodborne…this whole experience made me a better Tarnished Hunter


regretfulhalo

> the Micolash type of rage *eye twtiching* Soon as I catch that little shit, I'll give 'em some eyes to see. Just you fucking wait.


schwety7

Never met her, always just killed her from a distance


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

To be fair, you're fighting fire with fire there


schwety7

Fire arrows with fire arrows


Imperator_Draconum

My first time getting through the tower was pure suffering. I lost count of how many times I died. Eventually, I managed to get her to the top floor, then cheesed her by shooting from the area just after the elevator while her AI was inactive. When I returned for the inverted tower, however, I had Loretta's Greatbow too. I rained sorcerous arrows upon her while laughing maniacally and shouting, "HOW DOES IT FEEL, MIRIAM?" That was some good therapy.


Bren-Dog45

You are so right. This absolute IDIOT thought they could kill me by running away and spamming the same overrated spell AGAIN AND AGAIN. Felt so good running my sword through em.


organimanic

Just to rub it in this dumbass idiots face I killed them with that spell and blew them out of their fucking robes.


Bren-Dog45

Cheers to that mate 🍻


Sethefuk

I heard he facetimes while taking shits.


Gabriel-N-S

Miriam is actually a old lady


Sethefuk

I thought it was a woman, because of the name?, but for some reason bunch of other comments said they're a man. Is there an item description that describes them as a her.


Gabriel-N-S

I could be misremembering but I’m almost positive on a Zullie the witch video about showing hidden npc faces that Miriam was a girl


Sethefuk

It's probably a woman then.


JackDuals

She was such a pain in the ass to fight during my first play through, and I was sticking with the default Samurai build with Uchigatana and a bow. I died so many times cause I was still low level and inexperienced. Didn't know that I could dodge Loretta's Bow and spent so much time taking cover while also avoiding the other enemies. And whenever I finally get close to her after an excruciatingly long time, SHE FUCKING RAN AWAY! I beat her without using the Carian Inverted Statue first and basically wounded up at a dead end after all that. After using it, I find out that I had to fight her all over again lol.


Nitrogen-D

Where is MY fucking Instant trasmission Kamehameha?!?!


Phatz907

Absolute nightmare the first time I encountered her I had to rage quit for a few hours. The second time I encountered her I had a halo scythe + 15 and hid in a corner and just sniped her. She didn’t have a chance. It felt amazing


HighSpeedLowDragAss

I like Miriam. Loretta's Greatbow is a nice, predictable spell. Makes ya feel like some kind of mega-badass countering it with Carian Retaliation or Golden Retaliation. Preceptor Miriam, "Okay... That didn't work. My spell completely backfired and I took a load of damage again. Maybe I'd better try the exact same thing again and again and again...!"


Effective-Meat-8908

Palpatine vibes


Codieecho

Literally me fighting any boss


ArlemofTourhut

yeah... i threw rocks at her


Excelsoxls

You mean Duke's Archives Crystal Sage?


Mindless_Society7034

They were actually fun though


_Ayleeus

Stop the cap


WastedVamp

Lame ass bitch jus barking from behind the fence.


Wemetintheair

She's definitely in my list of Top 2 Worst Preceptors


DangerousVideo

Fuck her and everyone that looks like her… which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.


LordGlitch42

Fuck Preceptor Miriam, all my homies hate Preceptor Miriam My first playthrough I was more or less blind, and I was doing a str fth build, so my ranged options were limited by my low mana and few blue flasks. Miriam was the absolute pinnacle of difficulty on my first playthrough, for the worst possible reasons. Everyone compares her to Crystal Sage and Micoshit, but she is *infinitely* worse. Like those bosses are both annoying, sure, but at least they have weaknesses. Micoshit stops running when he gets to his room, and Crystal Sage at least tries to fight a little bit before teleporting away, and his teleport is Slow. Miriam can just teleport, whenever she wants, infinitely. Hell, Micolash can even run out of bullets! It takes time, but I've seen him run out and be reduced to only using his sick karate chops. Miriam, though? Infinite mana, never even needs a sippy. And to top it all off, her instant unlimited teleporting can be done whenever she wants. And I DO mean *whenever*. I was sitting right around a corner, within a couple feet of her, and she was spamming Loretta bow and standing still. After a few shots, when she started charging the next one, I ran out and did a running r1 to try and get some damage. She teleported, while holding the bow, out of range and blasted me at the same time. I died in one hit. I stopped playing Elden Ring for that entire week.


FatOldRugbyDude

Hot take: Perceptor Miriam plays most like a human cheese master. She is the most human of NPC adversaries.


The_Ishvalan_01

I cannot stand that piece of running shit


theboywhoalmostlived

Only way I killed inverted Miriam was slamming my head against the wall until she fell off her first spawn point


macattack1115

I shoved my balls of gransax into this bitch’s stomach


Nox_Echo

miriam is the biggest fucking coward in the game, worse than melee only elden beast


PolyproNinja

She ain’t as good an archer as the Albanauric women of Ordina!


zepp_broski

Absolute cowardice piece of trash. Fuck dat ho.


c0micsansfrancisco

Dex and Int are easy mode. It was so fucking painful trying to beat her fair and square with a colossal on release. She could teleport in between my swings


Foreign_Category2127

Golden land AoW works on colossal weapons


DiabetesGuild

The first time I got to tower it was one of most stunning fights I’ve ever had in a video game. I’ve been playing an intelligence mage, and up till then limgrave had been pretty easy taking from a distance. I kind of figured the whole game would be like that till I got to the study hall. It was truly one of the most epic battles I’ve ever been a part of. My character and her were slinging spells at each other from a distance dodging and weaving around. I’d come up from a roll and have to whip my sword out, defeat her lackies all while intermittently casting spells. It felt like an actual real wizard battle to me. We got to the end, she had a sliver of health, I had a sliver of health, barely any FP and no flasks. I won with a last desperate charge at her final platform with my most powerful spell at time. It felt so satisfying. Directly after I died to a rat in the rafters, and on my way back fell off so lost the entire big wins runes on a rat.


Kasta4

After the 4th or so playthrough you get really good at just running past this clown.


thelegend3107

i just defeated this guy for the first time yesterday and i was so goddamn confused what s going on


CrazyGamerMYT

He's a little bitch in Seluvis clothing who just teleports miles away like a coward.


Sigma-42

She's a close-talker, eats with her mouth open and interrupts every conversation!


UltraMegaFauna

She is the NPC that acts the most like a cheesy invader.


HandsOnTheClock007

All my homies hate Preceptor Miriam


DeliveranceUntoDog

NGL, it wasn’t until right now that I learned this guy wasn’t Selivus. I was just like “huh, what’s this jerk doing here? Oh well, this nerd’s gonna catch these hands.”


Dry_Insurance_3234

Miriam can eat my whole ass that was easily the most annoying divine tower to access


Terraakaa

Hot take, she’s a well designed fight


Medi-Dog

I punted them off with my great bow when I walked in there, I had no idea people didn't like her lmao.


PositiveTheory3115

She’s a bitch


Manufacturer_General

teleporting p.o.s


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

Miriam deserves to be cheesed in the moldiest of fragrances - that fragrance being scarlet rot. Watch this dumb idiot teleport around while dying, it's like poetry


AgitatedBackground96

I had a whole training arc to kill this bitch. I tried over and over and over again, maybe 30+ times and just fucking left and progressed elsewhere in the game, then when certain quests I was grinding out demanded I return I came for those cheeks and I clapped them into oblivion. Out maged the mangy ho.


AlternativeWater2

If at first you don't succeed, level up and stomp them later.


MR_krunchy

Erdtree greatshield up your ass Seriously it's really powerful against her


LemmeKnoSum

Like who the fuck has that much FP to shoot Lorettas Great Bow back to back??


Traceuratops

Yeah well SHE doesn't have the Radagon icon. My arrow's faster, you smelly nerd.


itseli44

spent so long before i inverted the tower trying to kill this one. finally did, only to see her damn face again. so dumb


Lonewolf1298_

Fuck Preceptor Miriam, all my homies hate preceptor Miriam


KaffeMumrik

Nearly lost my mind with my greatsword build on my first playthrough. Fucking 1v1 me you coward.


Mrchesthead

Dude preceptor Miriam is the worst fucking boss in elden ring, especially for melee builds(literally almost every build in elden ring besides mage and ranger and sm else, idk)


badadvicefromaspider

I was in an all-bow phase when I met her, so we had a pew pew fight


hailfloch

Scuffed archives crystal sage


Contemporarium

Ol’ staggerin ass can’t cast a spell if even a glint stone pebble hit her big hat Logan from wish lookin so scary you gotta summon a bunch of spirits cuz you already know you trash and I still killed you twice needa “Precept” these fuckin nuts lookin ass bitch How’s that


sentientfartcloud

The fight with Miriam prior to flipping the tower was probably one of the most infuriating bits of gaming I've seen in recent memory. Hands down, worst encounter in Elden Ring for me. Despite not dying, I will never fight Miriam without inviting the tower first.


jjkm7

Fuck her. Seeing her a second time after inverting the tower was one of those times where I preemptively rage quit to save myself and my controller from the potential fury I was about to go through


Red_Whites

She drove me crazy with her constant teleporting away, so I tried hiding in one of those alcoves near the top. I was astonished when she stopped and started walking towards where I was, and then I popped out and killed her. She didn't try to teleport after I hid from her. Has anyone else had that happen?


Longjumping-Goat-974

May her character forever rot in scarlet rot!! The death isn’t worth the data she was coded in!!! May she experience the wrath of a thousand suns!!


Urmomsdreamman

Miriam can fuck right off. Unless you’re a magic build or have a ton of throwable you can use you can’t even hit her cause at like half health when she goes to the top floor she just teleports everytime you get near her so it’s impossible to hit her with a melee build. She can lick my left nut


RJohn12

yeah I cheesed the fuck outta her because fuck her


Noodlekeeper

Fuck Miriam. All my homies hate Miriam.


Thombias

Cheesed her every time with a bow. Whenever she draws her magic bow it's a free hit because she's just stuck in place. I have no shame for killing her this way, a coward deserves to get a taste of their own medicine.


ElitaKirin

That bitch


Album321

I'm not ashamed to admit that I cheesed her to death with poison arrows. Fuck her.


YTregulardamo

I found an easy way to kill them instead of chasing I just used my kukuri then they stayed in place and came for me instead took 2 secs to kill and carried on my day


couldnotd3cide

My fist playthrough just melee was traumatizing. Grabbing that hoe and giving her frenzy the second time around felt soooo gooood. Not to mention the long range frenzy snipe.


chiribei

Fight me yourself, Precepturd.


dinothunder2048

I thought that was what this whole sub was for.


scottoro

Smushing Miriam with a great sword strength build was very satisfying


OBEENO

For melee builds , nothing was more frustrating than this fuck on the first playthrough, especially for stubborn players who refuse to level up and come back later


Ill_Inside_9409

Like bro what the hell I'm just trying to walk by go away and like she does to much damage for where she is. When I came back near the end of the game tho she cried.


sadnomad777

Nahhhh I forgot about this dude until I saw this post and got mildly infuriated. Fuck this guy and his projectiles


AngryAniki

Ain’t that the shorty that used to remind the teacher to collect our homework?