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aRandallHall

Imploring H.P. Lovecraft to describe Cthulhu's butthole is one of the funniest things they've ever done.


swissarmychris

Before listening to the episode, I always like to come in here and read the top comment so I can see how crazy it is out-of-context. This one might take the cake.


i_caught_the_UGLY

Fukin baby cuck Cthulhu fukboi


SevenSeasClaw

Colonel, I'm trying to set up incursion points, but I'm dummy thicc, and the clap of my ass cheeks keep alerting the teens.


1010001101000101101

The fanart


Wileyistheweast

Link's favorite sound is the same as Darryl's least favorite sounds


SevenSeasClaw

Good catch!


kahleesicyrus

I wonder if that’s intentional. It seems so but knowing Matt’s thought process, it’s probably not


WellingtonBananas

Freddie being the charisma god "you walked into the wrong room mf" in season one to three consecutive nat 1s in season two is heartbreaking and hilarious.


Thunderturk

I thought the ending thingy was gonna be >!cheesoid lol!<


star_road

That would have been *perfect*


SexcaliburHorsepower

An eldritch PETROL would have been hilarious


sariisa

I would have thrown my phone through the wall lmao


Cuchulain1803

Not trying to pick at anything or at how they're playing, but I hope they end up realising that Scary casts all her spells at the highest level she has. I LOVED the fireball moment it was fantastic. I also love the reverse time dialation seeing as they're on earth now.


Bad4D_plays

With the time dilation I find it slightly confusing. At one point they said whatever world was more recently entered is the one in which time moves faster (ex: season 1 when the went into forgotten realms then the forgotten realms had days pass while earth had seconds) But now despite this they have it that they’ve entered earth and earth has seconds while home world has hours. The only way I can think to explain this is more recently they’ve been saying it depends on how many times the worlds were crossed (like odd or even) so maybe the dads Sparrow, Grant, Terry, Lark entered earth making earth time pass faster but then the teens went weed making it pass slower?


BraumsSucks

The portals changing polarity was a quick explanation that Freddie came up with on the spot when Anthony was explaining that (for some reason) time on Earth sped way up so that the Mommies could gear up and make their entrance during the final fight of season 1, but they haven't come out with a solid explanation for time dilation because... well there isn't one! With the show being mostly improv with Anthony doing what planning he can for the world, it's really hard to come up with a concrete answer for it all without there being SOME plotholes. If you go back and listen to the first season there's no rhyme or reason for the passage of time and it'd be impossible to properly set up a continuous timeline and for certain say x amount of time in the forgotten realms is x amount of time on Earth. The time Dilation exists purely for narrative purposes, most likely to explain why they can spend weeks/months/however long in the forgotten realms without it becoming a big deal back on Earth due to several missing persons cases. There's no solid explanation and we won't really know much more about it until they meet the dad's and find out how much they've aged in the week or so they've been gone.


SuspiciousWeasel15

Exactly. Anthony said in one of the Talking Dads that it started off as a way to simplify and streamline things so that he could put all his focus on the Forgotten Realms and not have to worry about the offscreen progression of earth realm. At this point though it's trying to make the best of the continuity and worldbuilding rules they're establishing on the fly


ginger_guy

It's such a cool character moment. In the narrative alone Scary is in a much more dangerous place, their patron is on the loose, and she now realizes she has waaaay more power than everyone. Having to contend with all of that is both thrilling and terrifying. I hope they explore the dynamic more.


EsterTheEsper

We talked about it after the recording. In the Uncut they have a big talk about magic mechanics (since all of them have/are playing spell casters now but this is the first Warlock)


Cuchulain1803

That's awesome! I'm glad Beth will be able to experience just how awesome Warlocks can be


EsterTheEsper

It's a rite of passage to nuke your party with a fireball, really loved how that moment played out.


IAmBabs

As a DM, I do this with NPCs and bosses. Hopefully the players pick up on the fact that they've survived the worst in the beginning, so they should be golden for the rest. It's been two years and they haven't picked it up yet... haha


FlatulentWallaby

> Scary casts all her spells at the highest level she has. Is that significant? Can she not use them again?


helium_farts

A level 8 warlock only has 2 spell slots (though unlike most classes they get them back on a short rest), and since warlocks always cast at max level they're currently both 4th level. Fireball is a 3rd level spell, but like a lot of spells, it's more powerful if you "upcast" it using a higher spell slot. Since warlocks only cast at max level, it should have been a 4th level fireball instead of 3rd level, meaning it should have done 9d6 of damage instead of 8d6 tldr, everyone should have been a little crispier


TheobromineC7H8N4O2

A lot of people were thinking about the Fireball, but her upcast Vampiric Touch would do 4d6 instead of 3d6 as well.


bellumela

i think it was a good call from Anthony to bring these guys to Earth right now. i was a little disappointed by how fast the reveals were in Ep. 13 and how they all came from Anthony as opposed to the players figuring it out. but now i think he realized that the story was kind of all over the place, and that bringing them to Earth with a very clear quest and goal will help put things on track. also scary's fireball hurting everyone was such a good character move, intentional or not. i love the idea that she doesn't know her own strength and is kind of allured by that.


ztreggs

Yeah I agree. They finally have a world to explore instead of Anthony just throwing all the information and encounters at them


bellumela

yeah, i think the monster-of-the-week format wasn't fitting with all of the super high stakes stuff that got introduced at the very beginning. and i do think having to deal with stuff thats thrown at you is a good representation of like the "teen experience"! but there were so many mystery boxes that as a listener i had a difficult time getting into the story, because there were so many unknowns and also so many things of varying importance. so im very excited to see what happens now that theyre on earth


Saith_Cassus

I dunno, I absolutely *loved* Barf Bum Movie Men. It was easily my favorite episode so far. “A horse broke my hymen, I can handle *anyfingk*!” Is probably the greatest piece of comedy I have ever heard in my life. I desperately want Elise to just be a regular on the show and get roped in like Jimmy was for way too long. Home girl is hilarious!


kahleesicyrus

Honestly it seemed like up until now was a long and interesting set up to the real story which starts now


yarndaddy

This episode came on right after the Daily on my playlist and it nearly broke my brain


MrSirTallywagon

Same here dude. If I hadn’t heard the content warning in the very beginning I would have fully thought it was The Daily


spongylunatic22

My husband heard the intro start and said "I used to listen to this podcast but I got annoyed by his interview style." Took me a minute to figure out what was going on.


sticcwaifu

Was i the only one that kinda expected Willy to pull up in the pussy wagon? Also, the >!papa johns cult!< is killing me omlllll


i_caught_the_UGLY

Fukin Hermie is definitely more than he’s let on. He’s become a substantial NPC after literally being created from an anagram generator joke.


lady_sisyphus

He's GOT to be part of the Likely family.


Saith_Cassus

When we find out what his deal is, I really hope that the episode is titled *Hermie Fully Loaded*.


OchitaSora

I was going Hardcore Hermie. Full first person Hermie perspective to the kids utter fuck ups


Saith_Cassus

It’s a good title, but we already had Hardcore Henry in S1


Euley

OH MY GAWD THIS!


PimpDaddyBuddha

Paeden became a notable NPC, a whole ass plot point, after being made up as a throwaway joke. There’s no doubt Hermie is the same.


tedrivers

Part of me thinks that it is Willy having possessed Hermie


helium_farts

"is this story break?" I wish. Now that 8bbc is (kinda) back, it's my favorite dead podcast.


Cassious

man i miss storybreak. I've done two relistens of the entire thing this past year and it's my favorite dead podcast too.


buttered_jesus

Part of me was hoping that moment would make them want to do a brief reunion episode


bandicootbutt

It's so cool that Link had snacks just like Darryl did!!


laoloqo

The people who called it from ep 4 that Hermie was just going to join the party, spot on. They literally traveled to an entirely different realm but he found a way to be there too. It’s great.


genexsen

Hermie is the Doodler confirmed


TheBitterSeason

I'm about halfway through the episode and I just needed to come over here and say one thing. In the many hundreds of hours of actual play I've watched over the last ~4 years, I don't think I've ever seen a run of rolls as bad as this. It's so bad that I'm starting to wonder if they're all accidentally using d10s or something. Unless I'm forgetting one, I'm pretty sure Freddie's 11 initiative is the best roll they had in the first 30 minutes, which is fucking wild. Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I'll be returning to the show and find out if their luck changes at all.


EsterTheEsper

Freddie is creating the ultimate Anti-Ad for DnD Beyonds dice roller, he is committed to that thing and it shows.


Still-Box706

I would say we should start a petition to convince him to start using physical dice but knowing Freddie's personality it would definitely just spur him on.


bakerspice24

It's even more crazy to think about for Freddy because he's using roll 20 instead of actual dice because he thought his dice were cursed and still he's having these bad rolls even though it's a computer algorithm doing the dice roll


Steel_Judoka

Man I love this series. This is a really drastic shift compared to the status quo of the first 13 episodes, and I love that they are willing to do that.


aRandallHall

The Pussy Wagon coming back sets up the inevitable Kill Bill Vol. 2 reference when they lose it and say "The Pussy died, eh?"


i_caught_the_UGLY

That description of the “sky” was exquisite.


aceofk

Relistening to season 2 and Episode 5 and 6 reminded me that Hermie is the only "normal" npc that could see all the weird shit going on (ie hearing them say they need to go to the dance to save the world, seeing the pepperoni Tony monster and the incursion zit for what it actually was) so I'm really excited to see wtf is up with this kid Also in episode 6 they mention that pepperoni Tony's wife is a lawyer for papa John's whose kept alive by human sacrifices and I completely forgot about that- I'm obsessed with that off handed joke becoming an actual plot point


BraumsSucks

Holy shit, I was wondering why it was a Papa John's monster! It all makes sense now


CraftyKuko

I was searching for a comment like this. I, too, have been relistening to the second season from the beginning and caught the Papa John setup. I was curious if anyone else caught it too. Wonder if we'll see an appearance from Mrs. Pepperoni, attorney at law (or is her last name Pizza?)


FlatulentWallaby

Now that's what I call....friendly fire.


solpadeinesoluble24s

Them spending half the episode working out the rules of the portal is exactly how all of our sessions go


throwaway77778s

I just….have no clue what the show is anymore? This season has been BAFFLING. Apocalypse Earth still feels like the location they just came from, I can’t visualize anything going on I’m just. Stumped!!


ibizan5707

Anthony has trouble painting the environment around them in a way that sticks for the audience. Just to help you along, in this most recent episode, the whole planet is totally dark, with the doodler, floating far to close for comfort in the sky, blocking out the sun. The teens found themselves on a fantasy ass dirt road, and Normal caught a glance of the fucked up sky. In my head it's just a very dark landscape with lights in the distance. However I don't know how they're supposed to be able to see the portal in the distance if the sky is all doodler?


Ceeceepg27

Didn't he say the portal glowed purple? Maybe I just made that up in my head but if it glows it would make more sense.


ibizan5707

Yeah but, if it's off in space where jupiter would be, and the doodler is blocking the whole sky, how could they see it?


S0MEBODIES

Daddy magic


ibizan5707

Understandable have a nice day


Most_Average_User

Was that Lark on the pizza throne at the end?


i_caught_the_UGLY

I think he would’ve been more clear about that in the description. It’s just **Papa** John. Which is analogous to the Emperor of Man from War Hammer 40k in his description. I can’t remember where it was, maybe one of the early Talking Sons from this season, but Anthony did specifically say he wanted this to happen. The out-of-game jokes are becoming canon, and will likely continue to do so.


MrClaw

yeah its definitely a 40k reference, in warhammer 40k the emperor, human psykers are sacrificed continually to keep him alive on his throne, so similarly people are being sacrificed to keep Papa John alive


Dance-pants-rants

Man, between War Hammer, the Joker, Kill Bill and anime at large, I have zero idea what these dudes are referencing. Which is fine, but thank god for Fly Away Home.


MrClaw

LMAO, i feel that, feels like Matt has gotten them into warhammer so that may come up more lol, its definitely the more niche of what ya listed, but some of that source material is wonderful, and solid to experience. wikis are your friend. like for me i had no idea what the fuck fly away home is/was lol


Dance-pants-rants

Fly Away Home is about a girl in a glider, teaching adopted geese how to fly south for the winter. Her dad helps. There's high stakes bird watching. It's a true story. No wikis needed, but I'm sure they're out there.


ibizan5707

There's a point in season 1 where they make like 5 movies references in a row and literally not one of them comments on it because they all get all the references


Dance-pants-rants

lol, I don't remember that. Amazing. I do the same thing with my friends so no judgment. Except for the Joker- not seeing that is a conscious choice and I want set Hermie's suit on fire. ^(SAD BOI FUCKING JOKER IS THE SUPERHERO/VILLAIN MOVIE WE'RE GOING CIRCLEJERK TO THE OSCARS??? Just punch me in the dick right now, jfc.)


S0MEBODIES

Oh no this was joked about around the dance when they were talking about pepperoni Tony and it led to the emperor


DERPATRON47

I have a buck-wild theory that it is giant zombie paeden


BeldaWard

I haven’t completely finished the episode yet, but it’s Terry Sr!! I wonder if Scary’s fireball destroyed one of Anthony’s plans/storylines with him?


i_caught_the_UGLY

I think the accent would’ve been more purposefully French in the one half line of dialogue it had before getting immolated. But it does totally seem like a potential plot thread burned to dust.


Most_Average_User

How do you know it was Terry Sr?


BeldaWard

I think it’s him because it was a decapitated head and the people carrying him tried to take the teens happiest memory. Which happened to Darryl in Terry Sr. ‘s tower in the first season.


CerealBranch739

Definitely seemed like that vibe was planted on purpose. Hope it didn’t literally get burned away forever.


SevenSeasClaw

I hope it did because that's fucking hilarious. ​ God can you imagine if Anthony had a whole scary arc set up with that head and then Beth just AOE's it to dust?


helium_farts

90% of dming is coming up with cool stuff that your players will never know about because they set it on fire


jesshow

100% appropriate for this cast too


_leonardsKite

Oh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. Here lies Terry Sr., who went up in flames. And with him, Anthony's plans. *Twice.*


coolcustomerr

what is the intro parodying?


ElToro959

The NPR show "The Daily" and they fucking nailed it


Informal-Buffalo6845

It’s a NYT podcast, no?


ElToro959

Oh it probably is, I've only ever heard it on NPR. Same with Radiolab.


ElToro959

Oh it probably is, I've only ever heard it on NPR. Same with Radiolab.


Informal-Buffalo6845

This was the first time an intro made me laugh out loud. Will’s Michael Barbaro voice is so spot on!


bandicootbutt

How do I submit questions for teen talk??


anpancan

there's a channel for it in the discord


miimo0

This ep feels like season 1… I’m hyped :)


Fine-Being8449

I really enjoy Beth May's character arc from season to season. Going from someone who refused to play DnD to someone who does cast spells, but also accidentally put a teammate in death saves. It's *chef's kiss*


Purposelygentle

Link is built weird, -1 to CON, only +1 to STR and now +4 to WIS?


fubaring0

They all seem built weird with really low stats for their primary. DC 12 spell save at level 7 for Scary is low even for standard array.


Purposelygentle

The best I can figure is that either Beth isn’t factoring in either the stat modifier or proficiency modifier. That or everyone started with a stat penalty and no one is taking ability score increases, only feats.


Dance-pants-rants

That one was really weird.


f33f33nkou

They talked about their class and roles on the teen talk. Not that I'm trying to judge their character or tell them how to play but they were completely wrong about their classes. Paladin should absolutely be pumping out mad damage. It's the first or second best single target damage dealer in Dnd only tying or losing to an assassin rogue. And Will my dude, clerics may not have the same spell flexibility of druids but they're the best overall class in the game. They can literally do anything depending on subclass. Arguably the party comp of this one is much better than dad's, I'm just not sure if they have the stats/proficiency/ game knowledge to take advantage of it.


MidnightMalaga

I think she’s L8 based on having 67 HP (also implying a 14/15 Con), which means her charisma is 8/9 on that DC. Helps explain some of the horrendous persuasion and deception roles, but baffling from a strategy perspective.


SongGroundbreaking26

i think i read somewhere that they built their characters ability scores based more on personality than class (link being wise since he’s always around adults vs only a little strong and not a lot of constitution since he’s lanky) which is interesting for rp and obviously not idealized for combat. it’s most likely on purpose to make the show more entertaining and to have characters who don’t fit the status quo, but i understand how it can be annoying edit: also, they’re teenagers, it makes sense that they’re not good at combat and skills lmao. just makes it more rp focused


f33f33nkou

The thing about making a character bad for "roleplay" is that it's not satisfying either narratively or gameplay wise. If your character is a "class" it needs to be good at that class. Not just for mechanics sake but for lore and roleplay as well. The group isn't playing a bunch of random kids, they're playing daddy magic infused adventurers


JaggedGorgeousWinter

And don’t paladins use charisma as their spellcasting modifier? Why would you want a high-wisdom paladin?


Dance-pants-rants

Yeah, they use charisma, but I get wanting to buff your WIS going into a Cthulu game. He could also be looking at keeping the door open on a WIS focused multiclass. I didn't catch the -1 to CON, that's rough.


Sicksnames

I can't imagine any build where CON is the dump stat. Especially a protective paladin. What are you gonna protect if you're made of paper?


Dance-pants-rants

You know, we don't know if they roll or point-buy, he could just have bad rolls and already dumped INT. Heck, if he's thinking a rogue multiclass to match Grant's rogue assassin vibes, he may not have even dumped INT. The Protection fight style isn't a meat shield- paladin's still a tank build, but you don't need to lean on drawing fire, a la compel duel or something, with the protection ability- you can just nerf attacks on your buddy as a reaction. He might have been banking on low conflict and fast levels to juice CON at ability score jumps. If anyone at that table was out to min-max not just the DnD system, but Anthony's version, it'd be Matt. [SEE: Among Us behavior] (I also think there's probably a permanent X card on the table for flat out killing the teens, so long as they're teens.)


f33f33nkou

You are overthinking this 100x more than the actual players have lol


Dance-pants-rants

Nah, this comment's just the bank of relatively useless knowledge I bring to all the hip cocktail parties. Paladin breakdowns and "how to spot an aggressive metagamer." Hit me with those invites, I have D20 winestoppers. *finger guns* (I def went ham elsewhere in this post bc I couldn't figure out what was bugging me and needed to talk it out.)


i_caught_the_UGLY

*cough cough* >!5 footer!< >!But I love every inch!


SevenSeasClaw

Well hold on, Link specifically moved 20 feet to test the portal. Edit: that’s what she said


FoxTofu

Tiny moment that cracked me up: Around 40 minutes in, when Anthony starts a sentence with "The other one . . ." and Freddie repeats "*The other one!!"* in a [Strong Bad Teen Girl Squad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsqv3JStWI) \-kinda voice.


1cielomar24

Homestar Runner references in pop culture are my favorite nuggets of media


almalikisux

Would Bluey be "Papa-ganda" or "pa-pup-ganda"


Poetic-disaster

Definitely pupperganda


Sparkatiz

So excited for this episode!


sfish27

Amazing to listen to as always! I really hope it turns out that the syringe wasn't completely new or sterile and that when Normal plunged it back in, he gained someone ELSE'S memories too. They might be useful later!


Celery_the_stick

Gonna be a rant so hold on 😰 WHAT HAPPENED HERE 😰😭😭😭 TWO. TWO OF MY THEORIES CAME TRUE YEAAAAA I knew Hermie would show up again I KNEW IT I thought it would be later but YES YES YES 😈😈 Also THE TIME THE TIME!!!! I KINDA MESSED UP and said that the time difference would be the other way around but it makes more sense for my other theory this way 😈 I think Yeet is gonna show up. It makes sense because if time is faster in the world that the teens grew up in, like 30 seconds were 4 hours for Ms Hales, then I bet only 4 years have passed in the time that the 2nd gen dads were in the forgotten realms where, let's say, 25-30 years passed or something. If they were 12, I bet they would be 40 ish if they all had kids around the same time and all the kids are 15-16. If 4 ish years had passed on Earth... And Yeet was also 12... That means he and Killa would be 16 THE SAME AGE AS THE TEENS so idk. They wouldn't know each other (I think Yeet would feel some kind of nostalgia towards Lincoln or some of the other kids because they have the same mannerisms) Also, unrelated, but only Normal is definitely related to one of the 1st gen kids so... I mean Taylor is a maybe but idk.. Lincoln is adopted and Terry is Scary's stepfather. IDK I REALISED THAT and of course Norm is related to the Lord of Chaos so that makes it sound even more intentional idk :/


MsMoonshadow

Link could’ve been born from a surrogate and have Grant or Marco’s DNA, it’s not impossible. Taylor is definitely Nick’s son


Celery_the_stick

I'm pretty sure they said that Link was adopted though, he mentions it and in the episode where Grant shows up he mentions that Link is adopted I think, but also yea Taylor is definetly Nick's son I forgot about the DNA test he did oops 😭😭 thanks 😎


MsMoonshadow

Oh yeah they do say that I totally forgot lol


MrSlayer66

Yeah I’m rewatching right now, In the Any% speedrun episode Anthony says thank link sees 2 black voids where his parents outlines would be


MichaelDove_Blue

I love this episode so much, I feel like we have now a strong strukture for a strong and built up characters.


Cautious_Painting454

I can’t explain it but this episode is the first one that felt like I was listening to the same story as season 1. It feels like the two seasons finally latched together and it feels hella magical but in its own unique way


Dance-pants-rants

This was a very good episode. Thick sode. Killer intro. Michael Barbarian is the Daily host Faerun deserves. And the likelihood that he would rage at a crypto expert may have given me a small crush on Will. I love seeing them do combat and have missed actual DnD mechanics being useful. But dang, I am not a rules stickler, but Anthony needs a rules lawyer buddy. Man alive- I am but a filthy casual DM and I always have a player at my table who knows whatever version we're playing at least as well as I do (usually better) to check my work bc I mix up rules btwn systems or I'll ask someone to look up a rule while I resolve something else and my attn is split 6 ways, . My anxiety would vibrate me into the stratosphere if I didn't. This table of finnicky writers seems like a great group to collaborate with (or clarify that it's a homebrew rule) when he's having Normal roll with advantage on damage against himself or we're glossing over prone/grapple rules. Like dang, yall- if no one at the table wants to help out bc it'd mess them up, at this point you've got to have an early Dani Carr analog somewhere in the world you can throw on speaker for a few hours every couple weeks. Maybe it's the editing and they did check/explain, we just didn't hear bc they're a shorter show. But that missing adherence or lack of clarification that "we are using different rules" made it feel uncomfortable and punishing on a meta level. Like big picture, with a new world, I'm not sure where the stakes/threat live beyond Willy and the Doodler when the semi-objective part of the story is a bit porous. On the other hand, the other parts of world building were dope af. The scaled Doodler was awesome, death cults are terrifying, and >!John, of the Papas John!< is the worst. And I loved the Moms & Marco calls so much. I was so stoked to have them in a place a ranger could kick ass and like use a few dope ranger features or we'd actually use some of the creature type mechanics for clerics and paladins, I didn't see it coming when Anthony, the dice, & system ignorance created some teen fuckery in the best way between Taylor beefing it constantly and Scary blowing them all up. It was very good. Peak Teen^TM . *Of course* a mega juiced up teen warlock is going to blow everyone up and someone who dissociates from reality so hard he screams "Zephyr Strike" is going to get hit by a car- after not making a single survival check or using any of the broad landscape abilities. Dude is a EDC poster who hasn't ever left fakeSanDimas. Also Matt coming in with those Emily Axford "Lula" vibes. Get after it. **Tl:dr** MikeyB is a keeper, tell the audience the rules your working with, call your Mom(s) & Dad(s), and if we have more episodes like this I'd be so excited. (eventually with the Teens using their class abilities.)


fatcattastic

It's kinda like going to a friend's house for the first time and they have a very different dynamic with their family than you do and you can't figure out what the boundaries are. While not my personal DM style, I do really enjoy listening to Anthony's more punishing and adversarial GM-ing style when I know the rules they are using. (Mountains of Dadness is one of my absolute favorite things they've put out.) But something about this season has made me more and more uncomfortable, despite really liking the content, and I didn't really piece it together until you articulated it.


Dance-pants-rants

Lol, it's a "no shoes" household, but me and Kevin's dad are the only ones not wearing shoes- I don't mind it, but lowkey, Kevin, what is happening? >I do really enjoy listening to Anthony's more punishing and adversarial GM-ing style when I know the rules they are using. He doesn't read as super adversarial to me- like he's clearly not a "my job is to murder you" DM. There is a lot of "yes and" to the world building and he's a good explicit and on-the-sly facilitator, which are some of the most fun tables to play at. They've all been pretty explicit that DnD is a story tool here more than a game and I think that soft approach or disregard has moved them from loose DnD to homebrew DnD to "oh shit, the amorphus structure is very hard to hang non explicit stakes on now, so let's juice a couple tension points here where I intuitively know there's good drama." Which becomes a weird "tell not show" situation for the audience who could otherwise just know when a fight is going badly or an ally is super powerful etc, bc they are on the same rules page. Dude's got awesome instincts and I love his emotional minigame mechanics and unique contested checks he sets up- he's clearly down to game, so I wonder if he's just overthinking the core mechanics in S2 in an effort to streamline instead of just being like, "WoC already did this work-- fuck it, LET'S GOOOO!"


fatcattastic

Oh yeah I should clarify that don't think he's an adversarial DM 100% of the time, but he pretends to be when he enters combat due to his PCs' preference for shorter and more dynamic combat. When I knew the rules he was using it was easy to see that he wasn't actually being adversarial.


Dance-pants-rants

Well put clarification and I totally agree.


RubySapphireGarnet

Normal should have died, because he went past his hit point maximum as well. The random rules bothers me too, like if it's just being made up on the spot anyway.


SongGroundbreaking26

matt def gave me emily vibes this episode. when anthony described the head being alive/moving, matt goes “wait, the head did?? oh shit” and my first thought was that’s exactly how emily would react


Dance-pants-rants

She also loves those protection mechanics and I enjoy good clean "I protecc!" reactions.


SongGroundbreaking26

i loved how defensive matt got about the protection reaction lmao, “oh what, did you want to play d&d or not?”


ztreggs

My main issue is that it seemed like they tried harder in season one to learn most of the main rules of dnd and as the show progressed and this season especially, they disregard rules and don't fully read the spells they are casting and anthony is just deciding things on the fly. Half damage isn't rolling half the dice. Crit failing a check is just failing. I like the flavor of his crit fails with Taylor, but ceit failing a dex save shouldn't make you take more damage from fireball. Also link my man. You use channel divinity once per rest. Hes gonna be casting it every minute to keep the gun as a spiritual weapon. These are serious leaps from the rules, not just lose interpretations of rules.


Dance-pants-rants

They all know how to play- most of them have DM'd. I don't know if they like DnD though, so... that's a dynamic. They do seem to have fun when they hit sequences that are rules-y, but if I recall they talk a lot of shit on the length and gameplay of DnD. Idk if that's still the case. They were pretty clear that they were trying to parse down on rules to facilitate big s Story before jumping into S2 and I think it would be useful and timely to say either, "we diy'd a system we *are* stoked about" (and maybe put it on the website) or skew more intuitively DnD. Personally, I don't care about a 5e RAW-fest or meticulous spell adherence on a short podcast, but a good faith effort would be alright. And doing stuff like having everyone roll their own damage instead of just Beth was so wild. And felt longer. Stuff like Matt burning abilities is a symptom of them never resting (I can only think of 3 times they did in S1) and knowing where he can skirt the rules (which, you're right- is a dicey balance move with a paladin and a warlock.) But per the crits, I'm relatively fine with that stuff. I use and enjoy a crit fail/success "extra" rule - if you crit fail on a skill check, you might succeed if your bonus is high enough, but no matter what, you're getting a something extra at the DMs discretion (+1d6+ extra damage or some other penalty would reasonable). Likewise, if you nat 20, even if you don't succeed, have a little treat. Get some HP, find a tangential lead, whatever. You can mess with the rules, but when you don't tell the audience, you lose a shared language of risk.


ztreggs

Yeah I just hate the consistency. I'm all for playing however you want. It just feels too random at times, more so this season than last. There were only a handful of times lost season where it made me groan. A lot more frequent this season. I also loathe that scary is literally 4 levels higher than the rest of the party. Can't balance encounters with that decision


Dance-pants-rants

I agree- consistency is really useful- especially when you aren't binging the show. I will disagree with your last point. It's a fair trade off, but 5e let people get lazy with balancing bc it does a good job making things easy for DMs- it's still not too bad to run split level parties. AL tables do it all the time. While Willy skeeves me out, mechanically, Scary's level surge is something novel that I really love. But it *definitely* lost drama when no one was using any abilities or fighting (and then it literally blew up the moment they got into it.) Her being the only one capable of getting around problems, standing in a tough fight, or who blows away little guys should be something we see. But those moments aren't earned with enemies or problems we don't know or have S1 knowledge of when the rules are so nebulus that her advantage isn't obvious in comparison to the rest of her party.


f33f33nkou

I'm gonna be entirely frank but I don't actually think they do really know how to play. On a absolute base rules level sure and on the roleplay aspect absolutely. But in terms of mechanics and character building not at all. For one their stats and profficiencies are all over the place so either they're reading them wrong or they built intentionally bad characters (it's hard to say without seeing a character sheet). Will and Matt also talked about mechanics of their classes specifically and were objectively wrong about their statements. Matt believing his class didn't really attack well and Will commenting on the lack of utility with the cleric vs a druid. Don't get me wrong. I know daddies will never be rules heavy and I wouldn't want it to be. However I'd much prefer being rules light vs playing wrong. I also don't know why they're so terrified of combat lasting more than a round or two but that's a whole other topic.


dgener8puf

Haven't seen this brought up anywhere, but... They do know Willy is a Scary's great grandfather right? I've only ever heard them say grandpa, which would be Ron... I thought maybe it was just a mistake last episode, but I heard them say it again war the beginning of this newest one too.


ipreferfelix

This episode and the last one should have been like episode 4 and 5 of this season, it feels like it's back on track finally.


fluffingdazman

i really liked this extended prologue or "tutorial" section of the season. I like getting to know the teens in their home environment, feeling the weirdness in a more familiar world. Don't get me wrong, i love the fantasy setting we're in now, but it was really awesome to explore weird doodler monstrosities in "our" world (i know it's switched, i mean stuff we find familiar, like high school, and sonic)


69MrTako69

Not to backseat game or anything, but how is Scary’s spell save DC so low? She’s level 7 I think? The only way for her to have a DC of 12 at lvl 7 is if she has a charisma of 12-13. That seems pretty low especially after an ASI at level 4. Again, not trying to backseat game, I just want our heroes to succeed in their adventures and not miss out on any benefits they might be forgetting, like the extra D6 from Scary’s upcasted fireball.


FistBumpOfVecna

Based on other episodes like the 2 Scary episode, I'm pretty sure her Charisma is actually just +1. I think she made a roll or something and then after being told to add her Charisma, the roll increased by 1. Probably a result of them making characters based on personality or with low fantasy stats, like how Linc has low Con.


f33f33nkou

Their characters are stat-ed bad on purpose for some reason it looks like


BraumsSucks

Really hoping Willie uses his abilities to appear to the kids in dreams like he did with the Daddies. Force Ghost Willie is what this podcast needs, especially if the first time it happens he's like "What the fuck? Where am I... oh. I guess we're linked now."


JMacNCheese91

Can relate to Scary’s social media habits


Reeeeeee133

i now understand why these guys don’t do combat. i get that it was supposed to be funny that they were doing so bad but at a certain point i just started cringing because it seemed like they were trying to fail. if i were them, i’d invest in a set of dice that wasn’t just an icosahedron of 1’s


f33f33nkou

Their stats, profficiencies, or finding what those are is terrible. I hope it's only the latter because why make intentionally bad characters


IllithidActivity

I would love to know what Matt actually wants to happen when he does things like try to intimidate/negotiate with the crazy raiders in the apocalyptic hellscape. Not only has "hey everybody let's just calm down and talk this out" not worked a single time in the whole campaign because the *defining feature* of the people they've been fighting is that they're not rational, but if the combat were to stop and Anthony were to just have these weird staple-smiling freaks back off and walk away then...there wouldn't be a show. It would be boring and anticlimactic. So why, *every encounter* is Matt going to waste his turns and time trying to stop an encounter from being there at all?


bakerspice24

Because Matt is a chiller who doesn't try to meta game and is playing his character as truthfully and accurately as possible. That just means that at certain points he is going to do things that his character thinks are correct even, if gaming wise, it makes absolutely no sense. Link was home schooled for most of his life and his dad tried to shield him from a lot of what was going on in the outside world; it only makes sense that Link will have no good grasp on how to deal with these encounters and if all that isn't enough, he is a teenager and that should explain everything else The only thing I can say besides that is that it's up to Anthony as the DM to react to this kind of character behavior and he has the choice of whether there should be consequences or he'll let it slide. Personally, I'm hoping that since this is a darker campaign that he's going to be a little bit more malicious with the players and force them in the situations in which their characters are going to have to make really compromising choices that they can't just talk their way out of and I would absolutely love to see Link or the other teens in a situation where they have to adapt in a way that's uncomfortable and complicated, but ultimately great storytelling


Purposelygentle

Link casting sacred weapon on the handgun and then immediately throwing away all the bullets is perfect. Almost an anti-metagaming moment.


IllithidActivity

You can avoid metagaming while still being entertaining. Compare that to Will's decision at the end of the episode for Norm to continue running out of fear into an obviously dangerous situation with warning signs plastered all over. It was true to the character's circumstances, but more importantly it set up tension and a dramatic situation. I repeat my question: What did *Matt* want to happen? What's the good outcome of asking everyone to stop fighting? No result of that would have been interesting. Also it's funny that you say Matt doesn't metagame, when just in this episode he was "totally within five feet of Scary to use his Protection fighting style, even though he had just run back to the ground next to the portal to pick up the gun and Scary had run forward to be adjacent to the enemies to use Vampiric Touch." Sure.


bakerspice24

Full disclosure, to answer your question of what did Matt want to happen, I think maybe a majority of the time he isn't thinking about what's going to happen next as a player and just plays the moment. I've come to accept and enjoy this; this can lead to moments like the one that you just talked about with him trying to stop the fight but also really cool moments like when he decided to take the Ring of swapping and switch places with Nicholas. A lot of the time this show really flies by the seat of its pants for better or for worse. I understand the frustration and sometimes I agree that Anthony as a DM isn't reacting to certain character choices in a way that gives real consequences; he even admitted as much talking about season 1. Also when I say meta gaming I'm more referring to narrative choices for characters. For some of the players, they're still learning the mechanics of d&d; I still laugh at the fact that it took Glen dying to make Beth learn how to play more seriously. Heck they even made a joke about the mansion spell in the last episode having too long of a cast time to even been used in season's 1 finale. This show has never primarily been a d&d mechanics podcast but a story podcast and there was so little combat in season 1 that I still give a lot of credit to them to make mistakes. If you're still mad about that then you can get mad at Anthony for not enforcing these things but he's also still learning as a dungeon master so he has room to grow and improve, which I think he does beautifully. But let's just agree to disagree because I think you and I are seeking different things from this podcast and, ultimately, have different areas of critique. What I think is really good, you may find fault in it and therefore both opinions are valid


Forsaken-Age-8684

Why do you still listen? Every week with this.


IllithidActivity

Now you know that's not true. They only put them out every other week.


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IllithidActivity

Cool, I will! Glad we're on the same page.


f33f33nkou

Another tazcj refugee I see


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SoupSandy

And that's fine right? Like dudes allowed to make critiques?


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f33f33nkou

I desperately need you to know it's not only okay to critique thing you enjoy it's actively good for you to do so


thecmexperience

Does anyone else think Anthony needlessly fucked the party on Scary’s fireball? I know Beth doesn’t know the rules, but it seemed a little draconian


SongGroundbreaking26

beth said “i think if i fucked up this bad, scary fucked up this bad” so it doesn’t seem like anthony was fucking the party more than the party was willing to be fucked. disadvantage on damage rolls seems a little over the top for normal but hey, homebrew rules are homebrew rules and it’s not like this podcast has ever really been that heavy on mechanics


thecmexperience

Devils advocate she can drop it anywhere within 150 ft.


MonsterMaud

Luckily she incinerated the bad guys so there wasn't a real danger of Will's character getting crit on and auto failing death saves if an enemy hit him again. I think everyone would have given her more of a heads up if there was a danger of more enemy attacks. They all probably thought it was reaaally funny (and it is a pretty classic DnD experience to get fireballed by a team mate). We have seen the party be more careful about mechanics when there is a more important battle.


Euley

I think after Beth's comment about Scary definitely fuckx up this bad, everyone stopped being dnd players for a moment and started being WRITERS. Everyone recognized that it made a better story if Scary realizes she's so strong she can hurt her friends will lead to some kind of character building later. I just listened to that DAD Talk episode of the last episode of season 1 and they talk about that struggle of DnD players vs writers of a story because I think Will, Anthony, and Beth are all real life writers/story tellers.


f33f33nkou

He literally gave her a pass and she said no, it makes complete sense that both scary and myself would both not think about that. That's good game/roleplay


bakerspice24

[If Anthony doesn't reference this video in the next episode I'm going to be really mad](https://youtube.com/shorts/6V-dfEWpZUU?feature=share)


Trelyrien

I didn’t see it mentioned here but the whole “3 hours is 60 seconds” is some super interstellar shit. That means every day the kids spend on earth, 180 days pass for their parents!


alildizzy

So.... Didn't Linc shoot the Doodler when he shot his gun straight into the air? If the doodler is only 100 feet above them, then it would've hit. Maybe it didn't pierce his scales?


kahleesicyrus

So I heard on talking dad that some people were theorizing that the head may have been Terry Sr.'s head. I think Beth blowing up the head to the point of not being able to talk to it would be so funny that they messed up that plan considering the *only reason* that Terry Sr.'s head was in the astral plane to begin with is that they fucked with Anthony's plan so much last season.