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Sisiwakanamaru

> so if i'm reading this right... black keys guy cheated on michelle branch with his manager while they have a six-month-old baby, then michelle branch slapped him a couple of times over it so he called the cops on her and got her booked for domestic assault? this is nuts. > [Marlowe Stern - The Daily Beast ](https://twitter.com/MarlowNYC/status/1558117882093002753) I agree that this is nuts


bleeblahblooh

He cheated on his ex wife with Michelle, and her her ex husband.


throwawaytacos

This is his 3rd marriage, all have ended because of his cheating.


FxDriver

Lose em how you get them as the saying goes.


Guavaberry27

So I'm trying to piece together a timeline because I keep seeing a lot of messy and my brain can't compute. * [The Wreckers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreckers): Michelle Branch and her long time backup singer start a band, initially called the Cass County Homewreckers, a name suggested by Michelle's husband at the time Teddy Landau. This band was created on 2005. Her and Teddy married on May 23, 2004, they had a kid on August 2005, separate in 2014, and their divorce was finalized in November 2015 * Denise Grollmus: Patrick Carney's first wife, they married on 2007 and divorced in 2009. According to [her essay posted below](https://www.salon.com/2011/03/03/grollmus_divorce_from_black_keys/): They both were unfaithful, and Patrick left Denise for the woman he cheated on her with. Which now I am assuming is his second wife Emily Ward. * Emily Ward: Her and Patrick [married on 2012](https://people.com/music/the-black-keys-wedding-patrick-carney-marries-emily-ward/). They divorced in 2016. She's actually been dating Giovanni Ribisi since 2017 and they have twins. * Michele Branch: Her wiki page claims that she and Patrick met on 2015 on a grammy party and started dating on that same year when they were working on one of her albums. We don't know if he was separated from Emily Ward then but it does seem like Patrick could have cheated on Emily with Michele. So perhaps she was a (Home)Wrecker? 10 years to the foundation of the band, she lives up to its name? * Patrick Carney: Appears to then have cheated on Denise with Emily Ward, married her and then seemingly cheated on Emily with Michelle Branch, married her and had two kids, one of them which is just 6mo old. He cheated on her as per Michelle's tweet. Also per her tweet, he cheated on her with his manager. If anybody finds anything else to the timeline let me know. I can't find any "concrete" evidence of Michelle cheating on Teddy (it seems like they were separated already when she started dating Patrick) or of Patrick cheating on Emily with Michele (although this seems a bit more obvious as it does seem like him and Emily were still together when he started dating Michele)


giveuptheghostbuster

So what your saying is, Patrick Carney’s manager already has her ring picked out 💒 💍 🗑 Edited to add manager


Guavaberry27

Is it confirmed that it was the manager that Patrick cheated on Michele with? That's what Michele's tween said right?


giveuptheghostbuster

Yeah the tweet confirmed it


joaniemoon

My boyfriend and I happened to meet the black keys after a show in 2010/2011ish? We weren’t looking to meet them or anything, but by coincidence they were smoking outside their tour bus as we were heading home. We stopped and chatted to dan and Patrick for a while. Dan was super chill and nice. Pat was flirting with me HARD and eventually asked if I wanted to come and check out the tour bus. My boyfriend immediately got suspicious and made some excuse for us to leave. Bless his heart, I was pretty naive at the time and probably would have (I was 19/20 at the time). Looking back, I’m very happy I never took him up on his offer, bc he seemed pretty horny/creepy.


sweetheart4012

Thank you for this!


laika_cat

And he did it with his first wife, too! Divorced her and married the next wife.


Zolastethoscope

If this is true, I can't say I feel too bad for her🤷🏾‍♀️


aspophilia

I mean, it's not great, but this is the third time he's done this and it's her first. She was married for quite a while. I can forgive a single mistake, but a flagrantly repeated one is baaad. That said, even if I don't think she is a villain, I think she is dumb to have had an affair and married someone who had done this to his previous exes. You're just stetting yourself up for certain heartbreak. And now there are kids involved.


Upstairs-Week996

He also cheated on his first wife.


Svorky

Idk personally I've always found it very easy not to slap partners. Or anyone, really.


slowlikepseudo

I don’t think they’re agreeing with her slapping lol? Just saying it’s a very crazy situation.


Svorky

There's like half a dozen people here already thinking it was the right thing to do and totally justified.


gottahavewine

Yeaaaaah. Slapping isn’t alright, as we all agreed when Will Smith got slap-happy. I’d be fucking furious if my husband cheated on me at any point, but I wouldn’t slap him. We actually got in a very heated argument when I was a few weeks postpartum where we said awful things to each other. It was so uncharacteristic of our 8 year relationship, but it was a very stressful time, having a newborn early in the pandemic, no family around, no support. Despite all that, neither of us came even close to hitting.


behind_the_armory

I think Will Smith slapping some other adult guy of the same status as him who he isn’t in a relationship with is different from a domestic violence situation. As in, domestic violence is much more concerning, at least from my perspective.


gottahavewine

Um, I never said they were the same and I think whether they’re the *exact same situation* is irrelevant. Unless it’s in self defense, hitting someone is never ok. When Will hit Chris, nearly everyone in this sub was in agreement that hitting is not an acceptable way to respond to someone angering you, so it’s surprising to see some people seemingly justifying it here. That was my point.


behind_the_armory

Um ok…I was just offering my perspective (please read my final sentence again). I’m literally agreeing with you that slapping people is wrong lol. Just adding that i believe that slapping someone you are in a relationship with is generally even more concerning/“worse” than violence between two men who are not in a relationship. This was just me adding onto your point. Not trying to refute you. People are allowed to do that here.


Fast-Crab7501

It's wild because a lot of people are saying that it's ok and fighting with people who don't agree.


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This sub is very ugly and hypocritical sometimes. I will never forget when it was announced that Justin Bieber had an illness and someone said “oh, that’s why he looks like he stinks.” It had like 300 upvotes.


ThreAAAt

People on Reddit get weirdly infuriated by tales of infidelity.


simplebuttonpush

Not to suggest that violence is ever appropriate, but it's also very easy to not put your dick in people who aren't your wife/mother to your 6 month old child.


bunnypuffcooky

It's actually insane how men always get away with cheating especially on their pregnant partners, and for celebrities it's like it doesn't affect their reputation at all (a woman would be ran out of Hollywood for doing the same though) I feel like that is a glaring indicator of someone's character & I have no sympathy for them, sorry. 😐


Josiesumday

The issue here is domestic Violence not cheating, she hit him and she deserves the consequence same as if he hit her💯


Individual_Hawk_1571

It may be easy in our minds but men (and this man in particular) have done this for eons. It's actually the most common time for a man to cheat. I think it speaks to a much bigger cultural issue. Madonna/whore for one..


Drewbieee

For real “she hit him and got in trouble, but he cheated so it’s justified!” That’s the vibe I’m getting in this thread a lot and it absolutely wouldn’t be that way if the roles were reversed


neptunianstrawberry

u can bet the depp stans will gleefully declare this thread as proof that this sub doesn't believe women can be perpetrators of dv😔 and based on some of these comments... ugh where are the sane people (edit: fixed a typo)


DonQOnIce

Depp literally accused Heard of cheating. And my line has always been that if she did, it doesn’t matter. Apparently some users here don’t agree…


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propernice

yeah but what if you need to challenge them to a duel


bellefleurdelacour98

Well at least SOMETIMES justice works... Now if we could get this prompt response for every stalked, threatened, beaten down daily woman as well, instead of the usual minimization police does (until the woman dies), that would be amazing!!! /bittersarcasm


CreamyLinguineGenie

It's crazy because I've been cheated on and yet I never slapped a single person in my life. No sympathy for her. Yeah, getting cheated on sucks, but there's no excuse to get physical.


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neptunianstrawberry

while i agree, morally it's not peachy to hit your partner either


miz_misanthrope

I can give a person breastfeeding a new born a bit more slack about not controlling themselves as normal. It’s fucking low to cheat on a pregnant partner.


neptunianstrawberry

i don't think we need to be cutting anyone slack. hitting a partner if not in self-defence is shitty no matter the reason. being hormonal or being under the influence or feeling bad is not an excuse for dv


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neptunianstrawberry

if postpartum hormones were this insane mythical force that makes women completely lose control of their senses then i'm sure there would be a legal exception for it out there. this cannot be used to justify violence in the same way being drunk or high cannot. hitting your partner is not okay, even if they cheated! if she is that affected by postpartum then i hope she seeks support, but it is not an excuse for domestic violence.


miz_misanthrope

A brief Google search brings up that postpartum psychosis is indeed a valid legal defense. [postpartum psychosis as a legal defense](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/postpartum-depression-syndrome-defense-criminal-behavior)


neptunianstrawberry

yes, psychosis generally is a valid legal defence. there is no indication that psychosis was going on here though.


Talli13

Very few women experience postpartum psychosis. It's incredibly rare. Highly unlikely what happened here. Edit: She's 6 months postpartum. The vast majority of people show symptoms within 2 weeks of giving birth.


CreamyLinguineGenie

Nah, wrong. You don't slap people. If you have such little self control that you can't help but slap someone, get help.


RunAwayWithCRJ

Are you crazy? So if someone cheats on you you’re allowed to resort to physical violence? This is morally and legally wrong. Go to therapy. Or anger management class. Edit: Just got a suicide helpline message. Seriously dude. Go to therapy. Not even being rhetorical this time.


CheruthCutestory

I got the suicide hotline thing too. For not wanting normalize violence as a response to cheating.


throwaway5093903590

I can't imagine finding out the man I love is fucking someone else while we have a child together. Ideally, I'd be level headed and clean them out in court, but I'm sure I would also not be in the right state of mind in the moment. No one is advocating violence. That being said, if she's a cheater and he's a cheater, I have no empathy for anyone in this case.


CheruthCutestory

Men use this is an excuse to literally murder women. “She was cheating! I wasn’t in my right mind.” Violence is morally wrong as well as legally. By the OP making a distinction they know what there doing. Let’s not normalize thinking that leads to much worse injuries than this.


xxmalmlkxx

She shouldn’t have slapped him, but when you’ve been betrayed and are 6 months postpartum, I get it. But we can’t have it both ways. Domestic violence can’t have exceptions.


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flimsypeaches

>Obviously - I repeat, obviously - you shouldn't violently put your hands on anyone that isn't in defense. you could've left it there. seems disingenuous when you follow that sentence with a big paragraph of reasons why it's (sometimes?) OK to slap your partner. it's not "silly" to call the cops after someone assaults you. come on. ETA: >Perhaps the argument that lead up to the slap(s) was very loud and scary and I assume it took place at their home with children in the house who may have been frightened. you realize it's actually *worse* to slap your partner while your kids are around, right? that isn't the mitigating factor you think it is.


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I was just trying to get my thoughts out but you put them so much better. I am looking at it from the angle of power dynamic too. Shes six months postpartum breastfeeding her child. She finds out something that she said was worst than devastation, I honestly understand how arguments can escalate. Violence is NEVER the answer. But I find it violent she was detained. I hope their child(ren?) wasn’t around for any of it. Being detained, removed from your safe space when you’re extremely, extremely vulnerable, being processed by police, etc., sleep deprivation…and now public humiliation. Feels a little retaliatory to me


miz_misanthrope

Postpartum hormones are totally nothing to fuck with and while it’s hard to condone her reaction…it’s understandable given all the moving parts. It’s not right at all but I get it. Hope she can get the counseling she’s going to need.


bridestein

This is the sanest take. “I get it but we can’t have it both ways”.


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felixfelicitous

I just feel like this is absolutely fucked advice considering there’s a large swath of people ready to blame women for not fighting back in the reverse situation


SolPlayaArena

Didn’t she hook up with him, a known cheater, when he was married? 👀


Mhc2617

As they said on Bojack Horseman, when you are looking through rose coloured glasses, all the red flags are just flags.


baseball71

Ironically, he composed the theme music for Bojack


Far_Bumblebee_9300

And she said the rug was pulled out from under her? Ma'am, were you walking around with your hands over your eyes?


SolPlayaArena

Fuck around and find out indeed.


Far_Bumblebee_9300

Indeed!


mildlyoutraged

I believe she was married too.


Throwaway248014

To a man who groomed her. And I don’t use that word lightly. He was twenty years older than her and was the drummer in her band when she was a teenager.


AuraPothos

Yeah I don’t get all the hate in this thread regarding her marrying Patrick in the first place. Her cheating on her ex-husband is only speculation, and she married him when she was 21 and he was 40. People like that usually don’t end up with healthy dating habits right after and pretty typical that they get attached to the next person way too fast.


een_wasbeertje

Omg that's disgusting


anneoftheisland

Maybe technically, but [she and Teddy announced they were separated in early 2014](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-branch-files-for-divorce/), and she didn't even meet Patrick until a year after that. (Her divorce was finalized in late 2015 so there could have been some overlap before it was technically complete.)


SolPlayaArena

Welppppp


anneoftheisland

It was rumored but never confirmed, as far as I know. I don't think the exact timeline of Patrick's divorce has ever been publicized (just that it was finalized some time in 2016).


neptunianstrawberry

avid AH supporter here but the comments here and on the britney thread yesterday make me realize that even this sub isn't super great at always recognizing violence or patterns of abuse in relationships. super shitty to cheat especially in this circumstance, but hitting your partner is not okay. period. i can understand she would have been intensely emotional, but it is not an excuse. it seems pointless to speculate about whatever preceded it given we have no other information, so for right now just acknowledge it was wrong and move on.


DonQOnIce

For real. Depp even accused Heard of cheating so are some of these posters saying he was right to hit Heard if he suspected her of or found out she cheated? There’s a lot of hypocrisy on this sub lately.


Kitchen-Wasabi-3949

I learned from this thread that she’s a Depp supporter so the way everyone is “YASS queening” her is even more fucked up.


AQuickMeltie

I don't support what this woman did at all, but please let's not compare being slapped to what Amber went through. Just because both is domestic violence it doesn't mean it's comparable.


DonQOnIce

Theyre not comparable in general but no one who supported Heard should be saying that finding out someone cheated is an excuse to put hands on them or makes that action understandable.


kittenigiri

Seriously, wtf is going on in the comments? Had to check if I’m in the right sub… This is so hypocritical. Cheating is shitty, especially when you have a baby at home, but physically assaulting your partner is NOT justified unless it’s a self-defense/reactive situation. I’m very disappointed that these comments are being upvoted.


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I 100% support Amber, and did from the start. I also spend a lot of time telling people about their misconceptions about abuse, coercive control and debunking reactive abuse. I have been through abuse myself and a legal proceeding because of it. Talking about recognizing patterns of abuse, I think it is amazing to see all of the comments that are trying to make this a black and while situation when there are minimal details available, to start. And jumping to her slapping him *because* he cheated is also kind of misogynistic. We have no idea what was happening in that argument. But what we do know is that yesterday she publicly announced that she was divorcing him because of cheating allegations. That night, they get into an argument, and from what I've read, I think he called the cops? They arrive and she admitted to slapping him "one to two times" to the police. She was arrested, detained for hours, processed, and her mug shot conveniently released to TMZ for them to make public. This also happened in Nashville, where afaik, TMZ is not set up like they are in LA courthouses. I'm curious about the source for sure. I think there is so much more going on about this that we don't know (and probably shouldn't). I think we also need to put our critical thinking hats on before burning her at the stake today. eta - u/neptunianstrawberry \- none of my comment was directed at you, i was adding to your comment. I didn't say you were doing/calling for anything. I don’t know why you made the assumption I was coming at you or saying you were adding to the pile on. All I’m saying is to look at this situation much more critically before making judgment - everyone


neptunianstrawberry

nobody is calling for burning her at the stake? like i said in my comment, we don't know much about this situation. based on what we do know, her raising a hand on her partner was not justified. that's all i'm going off of atp. if new information comes to light then obviously most people, especially here, will revise their positions, but right now to attempt to minimize what she did because of baseless speculation doesn't seem productive to me. i'm not going to send her hate, i just think we should acknowledge that it was bad... rather than dismiss it because cheating somehow warrants a physical response (as some of these comments seem to be saying). i didn't comment to add to a pile-on against her, but just to make that simple point.


Trama_Doll_

He’s a cheating scumbag, and a fugly one at that. DV is never ok though, I’m surprised to see people here condoning it.


Idoneeditallthanks

I literally wrote "hitting is not ok, take him to court instead" and am sitting at -5. DV is not acceptable and I will stand by that. Ffs


krantzer

My most controversial comment of all time was because I didn't condone a scorned ex-girlfriend breaking and entering in her ex's apartment and destroying hundreds of dollars of his new girlfriend's things. Not only was I downvoted, someone else commented and said something about how she should have "punched her in the face" or something and I was like... where the fuck does anyone think that's okay by any stretch of the imagination?! And that's also one of my most controversial comments of all time lol I seriously don't understand people sometimes


dragonknight233

Was it on AITA?


krantzer

Askwomen!!! lol


Trama_Doll_

That’s so fucked.


Kitchen-Wasabi-3949

People get a little defensive about this topic since the Depp/Heard trial. While I certainly don’t endorse what Branch did, I can see why this is a sensitive issue for some because you know Reddit and the rest of the Internet is going to run away with this by shitting on Heard and proclaiming that more men are victims of DV than women. Edit: For the downvoters, I’m not condoning her actions at all, I think she’s in the wrong, just providing context


HectorsRectum1996

Surprised and shocked. I had to check if I'm even in the right sub.


lithiumb0mb

I'm surprised too, it's one thing to be doing in self defense but this definitely wasn't.


DonQOnIce

These comments are really disappointing. I thought the average user of this sub was better than this.


littlebunsenburner

It's never okay to put your hands on a partner for any reason. As someone who has been cheated on, I can attest to how painful it is, but it's never an excuse to resort to violence. There should be no exceptions to this. Also, "how you got them is how you lose them." Also, why does this guy insist on getting down on one knee over and over? If you want to live a sketchy rockstar lifestyle, by all means, go do it. It's not illegal, but for god's sake, just commit to it. To continually drag people into marriages, have kids and then cheat on your spouse is ridiculous and inane.


CoherentBusyDucks

And why do women see these patterns and still think they can be the ones to change them? I’d argue they’re not getting “dragged into” the marriages, but I also don’t think that’s really what you meant by that (so no shade to you). Meaning they’re not being forced into this with no knowledge of the situation, *especially* when the men are celebrities whose love lives are out there for everyone to read about on the internet. Like, she’s really saying she got the rug pulled out from under her? She’s the *third* person he’s “pulled the rug out from under,” then… seems like kinda could have seen this coming, if she wanted to.


littlebunsenburner

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if "dragged" was the right word, but more like..."swept up in the romance of it?" I don't know. It's so unnecessary and it's just wrong on both ends. Wrong for him to repeatedly make this grand gesture that should mean you're willing to be faithful and wrong for her (or anyone) to think that a man who has habitually cheated will magically be faithful to you. I was in a relationship with a cheater who never changed for years. It taught me that people don't change unless they want to do it for themselves.


val718

Perhaps they were both deluded and swept up into thinking that it was so differently special and meant to be that there wouldn’t be cheating this time. Maybe Patrick is that kind. People prone to overly fanciful thinking are also prone to irresponsibly dipping out.


here4hugs

I think it’s because most people don’t live their lives with the mentality that they’re vulnerable. Confidence is sometimes just ignoring the fact that you’re a millisecond away from complete ruin at any given moment. In other words, I think these people genuinely don’t believe it can happen to them so they’re surprise pikachu face when it all goes down in a non-preferred way. Me, in the other hand, has refined anxiety after years of steady practice to absolutely own the awareness that I’m the conductor of the hot mess express. I expect nothing more than the worst out of any situation where there’s even a hint of a negative outcome on the horizon. I do envy those that March through life not believing what goes around comes around cause the way I’m doing it is exhausting.


Individual_Hawk_1571

Bingo! I was just saying this after I heard. I don't blame individual women but there needs to be culture shift because this continual getting married, getting cheated on,being shocked and getting divorced, on repeat is ridiculous. Especially if you were part of an affair. Cis men no doubt need a complete overhaul but all adult humans have some idea of the complexity of relationships and everyone is just being super delusional at this point.


JoleneDollyParton

A lot of states have laws requiring an arrest if there is PC that a domestic assault occurred—in case you are wondering why an arrest was made right away.


GiniThePooh

What does PC mean?


flimsypeaches

honestly shocked and sickened to see that the consensus on this sub is that it's OK for women to hit their male partners because "it hurts for 2 seconds and it's over" and that "getting slapped after cheating does not fucking make you a victim of domestic violence." y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. there are domestic violence survivors in this sub who are reading your words. ETA: got my first "Reddit Cares" message because I said that hitting your partner is domestic abuse. y'all are really something else.


Idoneeditallthanks

Fucking THIS. I am a female DV survivor, and seeing all these justifications is sickening. We learned it in pre school. Don't. Hit. People.


pretendberries

This is why I hate when parents say to hit the kid back. Like two wrongs don’t make a right. Your kid is getting in trouble too if they hit back.


unicornbison

Or when people defend spanking. You go to jail if you slap your partner, but it’s totally fine to hit a child? Why is that even remotely acceptable?


HectorsRectum1996

Couldn't agree more. Some of these comments are vile. And the victim blaming.... I'm at a loss for words honestly.


ellamaybe77

Yep. There are many other ways to deal with big feelings than using your hands to hit someone. Never okay. It's not conditionally okay due to someone's life circumstances, health status, or hormonal condition. Hitting does not solve problems; hitting just creates more problems.


Glitter_Bee

You can report the messages to the admin and ask that they ban people who do that. It‘s such a childish thing to do and a waste of a well intentioned resource. It would be like calling 911 to complain about your chicken fingers. Or trying to “swat” someone. I don’t understand why people just don’t use their words to disagree respectfully.


Fast-Crab7501

Wow, you got a "reddit cares" ? That's messed up. This sub isn't a serious place. Edit: I got one too. Predictable.


maybe_my_dear

Absolutely agree, I cannot believe how hypocritical all the comments are. You absolutely do not hit your partner no matter the gender, if you feel the need to clatter someone in the face you walk away and calm down.


clementinadulce

i mean are you really that surprised? this is exactly what I expected 💀😭 it's shameful i agree.


een_wasbeertje

I wish I could upvote this more. Violence is violence and if she's not defending herself she has absolutely 0 right to raise a hand.


Active-Fig-1575

Michelle is a literal JD supporter lol


hipposaregood

The only reason I know this woman's name is her being on the JD supporting list tbh. She sucks.


AQuickMeltie

Abusers support abusers, nothing new


Mhc2617

Wow. He’s a piece of shit. However, violence is never the answer. DV is wrong, full stop.


venuslovemenotchain

Right? I'm confused. I don't see how him cheating justifies her enacting violence on him.


Fancy-Cat-2

Reminder that, as a subreddit we have many people who participate. This includes victims of domestic violence. Consider that, when you’re leaving your comments. Comments minimizing, or comments attempting to defend DV, will be removed. We cannot have a standard of what’s “acceptable” or what is not acceptable of a use of DV. It harms victims, and anyone who wants to speak out.


actsofswine

So y’all are all pro-Amber Heard but when Michelle Branch, a Johnny Depp supporter, slaps someone it’s perfectly fine and ‘yassss queen?’ Concerning.


HectorsRectum1996

I'll never take any of these people seriously on anything related to DV or the Depp/Heard situation ever again. How many times did we have to go through the "you don't need to be the 'perfect victim' in Heards case because people used her defending herself unfairly against her but now, it is okay for Michelle to hit her partner because he cheated? (Which is awful but doesn't justify getting slapped. EDIT: And the downvotes are coming.... 🙃😂 I stand by what I said. Everyone who justifies this can choke on their empty words about other DV cases. 🙌


cealchylle

Frankly, I'm reserving judgment because we literally don't know the circumstances surrounding this at all. Often, women who are abused in some way, but fight back, are the ones blamed and charged/jailed for DV. Not saying that's what happened, but the Depp/Heard case has made me take nothing at face value.


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CheruthCutestory

Violence is never an appropriate response. Even to cheating.


mizzymichie

Domestic violence is domestic violence. He’s a POS for cheating but laying your hands on him is not the answer.


HorrorAvatar

Women of the world, please stop dating and marrying these dudes. Neither of them are going to change, not even for you. Marry a nice, safe graphic designer or something instead. Men of The Black Keys, if you want to go out there and be rock star sluts, guess what? You totally can! You just don’t get to have wives or girlfriends at home while you’re doing it. You can have one or the other, but not both.


Ill-Athlete-4963

The amount of “violence is never the answer, *but*….” in these comments is fucking w i l d


Individual_Hawk_1571

It's time to be emphatic that DV should never be attributed to 'emotions' or 'lost control' or 'justified anger' for women or men. This way of thinking has gotten women killed for centuries I don't think extending it to male victims will liberate or help anyone.


julieannie

Some of y’all need to get to therapy if you think cheating and domestic violence are equal or that assault is justified because of cheating or post partum hormones. I’m realizing how many people think assaulting children is okay if you were also abused or who think assault is okay if someone else wronged you. It’s okay to recognize that maybe your own upbringing has taught you to think in flawed ways. You can break that cycle. You sure as hell don’t have to support it and endorse it. If you aren’t ready to start the process of change, you can at least stay silent and not approve it in a place where you can be sure there are victims of this type of violence who see your comment and feel they somehow deserved it. Because that’s what you’re doing.


addictedtobit

wait he cheated on her, potentially while she was pregnant, and she gets arrested for slapping him in the face? this feels weird


hyungwontual

cheating isn't a crime, immoral yeah but not a crime. slapping someone is assault and that's a crime so yes she can get arrested if he called the cops on her


Basic-Window4313

I’ve seen a lot of “cheating is abuse” takes on here recently and a lot of people seem to be coming from the position of “he cheated, so her slapping him is just reactive abuse” which is worrying to read. Cheating often goes alongside emotional abuse, but not always and I don’t think it is in itself abuse. She was wrong to slap him, especially with two young kids in the house even if he is a cheater


JenningsWigService

It's not reactive abuse, but it's also not necessarily a pattern of domestic violence. Let's not pretend that one slap in an argument when she is reeling from a devastating revelation is comparable to say, her slapping him every day over the course of their relationship in an effort to control him. Or attacking him in a drunken rage like Liza Minelli did to her ex-husband. She committed an act of domestic assault. Whether she deserves to be labeled a domestic abuser remains to be seen.


Basic-Window4313

I completely agree but not to be “this person” I do think that we would all be looking at this situation very differently if it were a man that slapped his wife after finding out she cheated. Not sure if that’s right or not but personally I do know that I would be seeing this very differently if that were the case. just some food for thought


HorrorOfOrangewich

Agreed, I also don't think a violent response to cheating should be normalized. In fact, it's counter productive and costly for the aggrieved person. The cheated on partner ends up losing the 'high ground' and opens themselves up to being painted as unstable during custody/divorce proceedings. The general advice is to start quietly collecting evidence and doing things to protect yourself without the cheating partner knowing (get a lawyer, separate finances, document assets, save money, build a support group, etc.). I don't know if anyone remembers Betty Broderick, but she destroyed numerous lives and lost everything because she gave into the urge to use violence after being betrayed. Violence isn't worth it.


gorgossia

Exposing your partner to potential STDs is abusive behavior.


Basic-Window4313

ok, cool. I’m pretty sure Michelle was aware that Patrick was cheating on his last wife with her. cheating is a terrible thing to do to someone and you’re right that potentially giving someone an STD can be dangerous but in the real world things are not cut in stone or black and white.


gorgossia

Adultery actually is a crime in 16 US states.


JenningsWigService

Which speaks to the ridiculousness of the justice system. Cheating is immoral, it's not criminal.


Basic-Window4313

I suggest that you look into the history of adultery laws if you think that that’s in any way a good thing


BilboMeow

Are we arguing that it should be? No.


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Drewbieee

That’s a lot of words to justify physical abuse


falafelwaffle10

Why does it feel weird? DV is a crime.


DonNatalie

Lot of weird takes here, tbh. Very victim-blamey and dismissive of domestic violence.


addictedtobit

it feels weird because TMZ’s reporting in the article is sketchy at best. never said DV wasn’t a crime. never blamed anyone. are y’all trolling? cause drawing such massive conclusions about where a person stands on an issue from 3 innocuous words is.. a lot.


halfeatenpeaches

these comments …


Ardie_BlackWood

This sub is very picky on what see as abuse. She shouldn't have slapped, cheating hurts, but he did not hit her so she shouldn't be surprised he called the police after that and she got in trouble. You guys condoning her are hypocrites as I hate saying this as a woman but if she was a man and she hit her "girlfriend" for cheating this sub would be in code fucking red. It's nasty and shows how people perceive abuse.


LifeMonth7928

First off, didn't she get with him while he was still married to his 2nd wife? Not sure why she is so shocked a cheater cheated. How you get 'em is how you lose 'em. Secondly, some of these comments are gross. He has every right to call the police. There's s high profile murder case about a woman who "only slapped" her bf and was caught on video. He didn't call police and she ended up stabbing him to death.


CheapEater101

Okay now I’m side eyeing heavy on this sub. It looks a lot better now, but like a hour ago it was filled with “well he cheated”. Yeah, he’s a POS for cheating but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for Michelle to slap him? If it was vice versa, it would be an uproar. Also, I’m sorry what the hell did Michelle Branch expect? He was married when they hooked up. She really thought she was going to be different. A cheater is going to cheat, especially if there’s an established pattern.


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Not people justifying this already… I would never be okay with a man slapping his wife after she cheated so I’m not gonna say it’s okay in this situation either. ✋🏼


blakppuch

Why are we defending slapping in the comments??What he did is absolutely wrong but please do not defend slapping. I don’t care if you get why she did it, it is still wrong! Gosh y’all are weird sometimes.


Fast-Crab7501

This thread is very eye opening about this sub.


khaldroghoe

The sub is slowly becoming a hypocritical echo chamber. We’re condoning violence for cheating now? Absolutely insane.


StabHead69

jesus fucking christ, it’s absolutely disgusting how the majority of these comments are saying he deserves to be a victim of domestic violence because he cheated.


pissed_at_everything

Lmao the hypocrisy in this sub is really astounding. Let’s see if this sub would have the same reaction had Kristen Stewart, Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears would’ve been slapped by their partners, since they all cheated too.


SuspiciousLadyOfYore

Violence is never ok. So what if he is a cheating bastard. Doesn’t give her the right to physically harm him.


otraera

This escalated quickly omg


toomanyzs

say no to domestic violence... its very easy guys


gingersnapz2212

Between some of the hot takes yesterday condoning yelling and cussing at kid and todays with condoning hitting men, I’m honestly super disappointed in this sub (one of my favs). Some of y’all really need to step back and self-evaluate why you believe what you do. It’s a pretty shitty look.


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itsallnothappening

I know we should bame him, but his manager is a pathetic woman. He has a 6 month old with his wife like do you have any conscience?


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Fancy-Cat-2

Please remember to be civil


neptunianstrawberry

idk if this is asking for too much mod overreach but could you please sticky a reminder to not minimize dv? because some of these comments are not it.


Fancy-Cat-2

Yeah I was going to actually! Just was removing some comments


moonprismpowa

Thank you 🙏🏼 it’s incredibly triggering as a victim of DV


neptunianstrawberry

thank you!


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I definitely thought less of her for how their relationship started, but I didn’t know much about him at the time. Now that I do, I think she needs protection from the online vitriol and campaign that is likely going to be started against her.


MaterialConference4

How did their relationship start?


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They both had partners when they started seeing eachother


annyong_cat

She was separated from her husband, who was 20 years older than her and who she started dating when she was just 19.


morbid_barbie

I think both of them were in relationships/married when they started seeing each other. Essentially, they cheated 😅


jamiejamDTF

I've always heard very negative things about him. Apparently he's a huge douche. She knew he was a cheater since he cheated on his old wife with her


Gloster_Thrush

Is this The Black Keys guy that Jack White fought?


Beezo514

He is an asshole. He did cheat (apparently). She is angry and upset and post partum. This is a messy situation and relationship. And I get it. It's still wrong.


johnnyandrew12

Isn’t she one of Johnny depp supporters? Or am I confusing her with Vanessa Carlton ?


treeof

I like her and her music and this is very disappointing. Too bad he’s a cheater, hopefully they both get counseling and are able to become better people.


sunshineflowers311

Is this the dude from the Black Keys?


Top_Cryptographer600

Her sister Nicole out here outing Harry styles for ditching her for Olivia wilde. That branch family is something


carliekitty

When she hit her husband she hurt her child. That relationship will never be ok now. That child is going to have to have strangers in their life monitoring handoffs of the child between the two parents. So gross and so self destructive. There’s never an excuse to hit a partner. You leave them and move on with life.


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Guavaberry27

"I'm glad she slapped him" Wtf.


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Raccoonsr29

That’s Vanessa Carlton but I absolutely conflate them lol