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NoUserRequired

So his innovation it's to charge me to waste my time. Eh.


1000xcoins

At least reddit pays us moons for the same thing


koelebobes

We *GET* paid, they *have to* pay… And you have to pay for a 280 character message, here we can type what we want. What a bargain


AccountToUseHigh

That's why people are moon farming here because it's free. And lot of spam + bots here.


OpeningLavishness6

Never understood where do they end up


ZulkarnaenRafif

That is some sweet cash for the Venezuelans or third-worlders out there. Or someone smart enough to make a better bot to post non-stop.


OkSiriGoogleSucks

For real, it’s more than the average salary in some countries


koelebobes

What is normal for us can be life changing for others! Don’t forget that


fleeyevegans

Elon trying to go to the moon and we're already here.


OkSiriGoogleSucks

Without even boarding a SpaceX rocket, we are on the Moon


user260421

Even NASA is struggling


nooobmaester69

Wait you can earn moon here😐


4lex_supertramp

Wait until he reaches Reddit and charges 1 moon for every post. LOL.


sharpie42one

I'd much rather get paid moons then spend doge


MaximumSandwich5

"Free speech must be protected!" ^(Just going to need you to pay for it.)


OkSiriGoogleSucks

We protect your free speech while you pump our bags


ayeni002

We are protector of speech, we just need to charge you.


IWillKillPutin2022

Basically. Imagine if instead of getting moons on Reddit, they charged you to shitpost


koelebobes

And put you on a character limit 💀


IWillKillPutin2022

That would suck


koelebobes

Basically what twitter is my friend


asasdasasdPrime

I'd definitely be more productive tbh.


nergalelite

maybe he's trying to save us from the evils of social media /s (point of clarity, he's doing it for profit, not anyone else)


yingfish829

Reddit could start charging their subscribers very soon ik.


user260421

People would just find a different platform to do the same thing for free


thecoat9

It's somewhat of a hybrid approach to the centralized censorship issue as well as dealing with bots. A twitter like social network has been postulated being run on a decentralized block chain. You could not be banned, and every message would cost a pittance, but such cost would make bot armies cost prohibitive. People in theory would be less likely to post inane crap if it cost them something, so theoretically the quality/value of the user content being posted would be higher (ie not as much as a waste of time). I don't know if that would work in practice, but it's not an irrational postulate.


Hawke64

People will just make Twitter clone called Birdit or some shit


DopeBoogie

Tweeter


patricio87

Twatter


Anomalous6

Wuphf dot com


Woowoodyydoowoow

Bot accounts are in the plenty, and become nearly indistinguishable from human created content. The concept of this being accepted by people is alarming to say the least, and in that case our issue becomes far more complex. How many options are there to solve “fake accounts” (bots) are there? What exactly is on the table here.


stevemoveyafeet

I'm not an expert, but why couldn't they implement a system that makes you verify you are a human before sending a message? Like a captcha. Genuine question for anyone that might know the answer, as I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this.


Woowoodyydoowoow

Captcha hasn’t been difficult for bots to solve for at least a few years.


antho0903

Captcha was never the solution for bots, it is very easy to solve.


s1n0d3utscht3k

no one wants to do that shit for every tweet you’d kill the platform worse than bots do


duckyhs

Maybe it will deter stupid ass annoying people from speaking their mind online every two seconds? I'd enjoy that.


truckhanh1309

It would or it might be, we are not sure yet about this gesture.


glium

As compared to paying for every tweet ?


Sven4president

Both ideas suck


OneThatNoseOne

Clearly not much. Advertisers pay all sorts of fat lumps of cash to platforms for advertising. I can't really see why you couldn't fund bots using like 10000 which is prob insignificant to them and might even be cheaper than reg ads.


nergalelite

cheaper and likely more effective targeting, granted there may be some reliance on the idea that the masses are clueless and won't realize their spam bots can be linked via the ledger; low hanging fruit to target exterminate a few nets, but i cannot fathom why they wouldn't rebuild


OneThatNoseOne

He chooses monetization instead of a more inclusive, better and secure platform


milky_mouse

He’s a conniving cunt


HarryPopperSC

There is no innovation, this is a fleeting thought, what if twitter integrated with crypto? What makes it even less innovative is the fact that this very same idea has been thought of millions of times already. What makes it even less innovative than even that is the fact that people have had this thought and actually implemented it already too and it's as bad as it sounds... Hurr durr crypto social media


Ziatora

He has never innovated in his life.


Mundane-Farm-4117

It's great right?


Deadlock1920

Plus, So that he can charge more people to waste their time.


reddito321

Billionaires gotta do some billionaires’ shit


Jubudtje

This is how adoption looks😜


aaalderton

Perhaps the plan was to get crypto currency in use


DokkanCeja99

It’s a start and in the right direction of thinking but sadly charging people to post would not have gone down well


OneThatNoseOne

Reddit moons pay me to waste my own time and other peoples. Someone should tell him


user260421

Imagine how that would work out with moons


Sage2050

Every time someone mentions web3 this is what they mean. Commoditization and monetization of every action you do on the internet. Web3 is late stage capitalism, and people *want* it.


Vinc3d

No, no, his innovation was to charge for freedom of speech!


ItsAllJustASickGame

You would rather the advertising and bot spam keep eroding society? All to save a half a penny per tweet? My god.


aimheatcool

To charge you for free speech


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A true modern financial pioneer.


w_savage

and here we are making money on reddit.


WRL23

If it got rid of ads and spam bot, not a bad idea


JoseArcadi0

Sounds like a good business model.


ambermage

Reddit will read this and decide to charge 1 moon for every scroll.


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Putting social media behind a paywall is practically forcing people off your platform.


Bucksaway03

Just like paywalled news articles. People just go elsewhere.


MaximumSandwich5

Does anyone actually pay for that? I'd rather spend 2 hours messing around with inspect element and YouTubing "how to bypass paywalled articles" with no success. No one wants to pay for a subscription to read a one-off article on a website they'd likely visit twice a year.


jzia93

I do, but I pay a subscription to particular journalists I like, not big news sites that put out trash. Research takes time and I want to support people who take the time to write well researched and informative pieces.


meeleen223

Yeah, and I have big respect for people who do real journalism in this time of clickbait dumb headline world of deceit and bad content


nergalelite

you can donate the the researchers and journalists directly and they will usually be happy to share their work; the publishers steal something like 90% of those subscription fees


jzia93

That's clever


Bucksaway03

You'd be surprised. Mostly old timers. I don't bother even trying to find a way around it. 95% of the time I just move on and don't even look for the news story elsewhere


OkSiriGoogleSucks

Sometimes on Safari browser, you can use show reader feature and turnoff internet to read the article for free


Accomplished-Design7

Apple hates this one trick


inspector_who

https://12ft.io/


putnikvetra

Nah it is mostly those people wo support their newspaper.


RandomNumbers8285

I still can't imagine it's enough to make up for a loss in what could have been ad revenue. But idk


roboglobe

I pay a subscription for 1 local regional paper as well as 1 national one in my country. Do you believe journalists should work for free?


muitosabao

wow, wait. is paying for news/good journalism a bad thing now? let me guess, you also complain about ads? how are newspapers supposed to pay their staff?


rytl4847

I agree. There is value in quality journalism. Relying only on ads as a source of revenue pushes the content towards click bait. It's unfortunate that so many see news as something they're entitled to.


rhetoricl

Wait, you mean good people that are brave enough to risk their lives for journalistic integrity aren't satisfied enough by feeling good about themselves?? They want to be paid fairly?? Outrageous!


EMw8SYJ4Qv

There are only very few journalist who dare to do such thing.


illjustcheckthis

Just because the _current_ paywalled news article approach is not working, doesn't mean direct monetization can't work. I believe micropayments, like... 5c to view an article or such could work, but it has to be seamless and it has to be _micro_ payment, not forcing you into a full subscription.


jtooker

I hope this is the solution. Good journalism is expensive and important to a free society - it is worth paying for.


takes_many_shits

No you see clearly everything on the internet is a charity and im entitled to free content *- Reddit, nearly every time ads or paying for content is brought up*


mendelua

No one reads paywaled articles these days including me lol.


reddito321

Do I miss outline dot com


jtooker

> Just like paywalled news articles. > > People just go elsewhere. And people wonder why so many news sites are trying to be entertainment sites.


iEatGlew

Maybe that’s not a bad thing after all…


OkSiriGoogleSucks

It could eliminate bots, trolls and might also promote meaningful discussion. But some of the people will find it difficult to use and understand these


tranceology3

> also promote meaningful discussion. No it would promote companies just spamming their products, but disguised as genuine tweets. They can afford 100s of thousands of tweets while the average users cant.


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capdoesit

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. $1 buys you like 2,000 tweets and now you get the guise of legitimacy for whatever your bots intentions are? Sounds like a good deal to me... There are plenty of ways in which crypto could ostensibly be integrated with Twitter, but Elon came up with about the dumbest one possible. It's amazing that anyone still worships his bullshit.


SatoshiNosferatu

Actually you’d be left with only bots because they are operating to earn money and $0.02 is a cheap ad


Baecchus

I wish someone forced me off Twitter sooner. Charge 0.1 BTC to tweet instead, just kill that garbsge platform completely.


Hawke64

Twitter is not addicting, I already quit it 5 times


UberSeoul

If this was really about fixing Twitter’s bot problem rather than pumping Dogecoin, Musk could have just charged a one time $1 fee that would verify your account or put you in a tier where unverified spambot accounts cannot interact with you. I bet that would eliminate at least 90% of twitter’s bots.


meeleen223

You are right, $1 one time is much different than paying for every damn tweet, it was always about him and doge, we know that: 1. He is a narcissist who like to be adored by people while making an illusion that he is one of us commoners, and twitter is the platform that lets him delve into that 2. He has big bags of Doge that he wants to pump He will continue and try to find ways to incorporate doge into it


linjieowen

Yes it would stop people from using their social media platforms. I don't think many people would want to pay so much money just to see other toxic people on their platform.


Frosty-Cone

Breaking news, billionaire with no concept of money thinks people will pay to use a platform that is declining in popularity. More at 6.


easyKmoney

How much is .1 of a doge coin?


BYEenbro

0.1Ɖ


upboatsnhoes

At all time high it was like 7 or 8 cents in USD.


kd5nrh

When I bought way too little, .1 Doge was $0.0004. I knew I should've put at least $40 in instead of $4.


OkSiriGoogleSucks

The goal is to “protect free speech” and not to pump their bags /s


KuciMane

is it really free speech if I have to pay .1 doge to say something?


4lex_supertramp

Or maybe we could say "protect paid speech".


neoKushan

It's free speech for the rich, that's for sure. The second you put a monetary fee in front of something, it excludes others. The worst part is that this wouldn't even stop bots. What does he think, bots are free? That they just appear out of thin air and run on the power of sheer malevolence?


Spartan3123

Pretty sure if you create a bot to track elons flights he would ban. Twitter is a private platform. They can do what they want the same is true in Reddit


Accomplished-Design7

I see what you did there


PeakAggravating3264

>The goal is to “protect free speech” and not to pump their bags /s Turns out he's not into Free Speech so much as **Fee** Speech.


War_Daddy

Please tell me you don't honestly believe Elon gives a shit about free speech


JohnnyMiskatonic

Elon is a big believer in his own freedom of speech.


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burnerac

Like SMS in the 1990s


axesOfFutility

Hahahaha. Yes you are right. This is essentially going backwards even if it's in the blockchain, with the main change being that the sms is open to public


DrakonIL

Unlimited tweets after 9pm.


Comfortable-Gur7140

Tweet me after 9, my tweets are free than


gravity_is_right

Tweet to get a ringtone


EarlGrey_Picard

Rollover tweets each month!


Kappatalizable

Good way to make people leave Twitter


Hawke64

Task failed successfully!


stevemoveyafeet

Probably for the best that the buy deal fell through, people would leave Twitter in droves. Value would tank.


iOnlyWantUgone

The deal isn't officially fallen through. That's what the court case is about. Elon has to prove that Twitter lied in their disclosure or else he could be forced to either buy the company anyway or to pay Twitter several billion dollars in penalties. You can't just tank a company's stock price with a buyout offer and then after both parties agreed to buyout just back off.


Dwaas_Bjaas

Too bad it didn’t happen. It would have been nice to see Twitter die out and watch something else take its place


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Sage2050

He exploits overprivileged children too, have you seen the burn rate on new grad engineers?


Dontpanicthemechanic

Source please, I'd love to read it.


Sage2050

It's mostly anecdotal, I don't have any stats on SpaceX or tesla turnover, but when you work in the industry you hear stories about the culture driving new grads to burnout. Here are a couple articles highlighting the issue: https://time.com/charter/6177537/elon-musk-employee-engagement/ https://time.com/charter/6174661/innovation-require-culture/


proudbakunkinman

> The way he markets himself as this ludicrous savior of mankind out of building a massively subsidized EV business which actually has huge negative environmental externalities and exploits underprivileged children, I'm sure PT Barnum is taking notes for his next incarnation. That plus, as the other comment noted, he seems to have made appearing cool a priority as well, as much as a 50 something billionaire rich kid auto/tech CEO can at least. See how he dresses and his hair cuts, he had that trendy mullet style for awhile, tweeted about doing drugs and pretending he knows everything about socialism (anarchism and ML/communism), and the fact he focused on wooing the Queen of indie-electronic edgy cyber-hipsters of the late 2000s and 2010s.


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> Today we have a rich marketer using his name who never invented anything and is just a meme lord for idiocracy generation. fuckin nailed it right there


Snox-

Elon in a nutshell


BigDee2k

Charging people to prevent bots is like charging you extra for a cardboard straw because plastics are bad for the environment.. Additionally, charging people a currency that you control screams conflict of interest. I agree people are tired of bots, but this is a dev problem. Not an end user one. Companies need to stop passing the end cost to their customers because they can't correct their own problems


funk-it-all

How about *Elon* pays .1 doge everytime you tweet


Bucksaway03

It's how all the big corps and governments work. Make the end user pay regardless of fault.


OkSiriGoogleSucks

“Make others pay while you make bank” -the motto of rich and powerful


OneThatNoseOne

Unbank yourself No wait...


brummettdane03

A sure of way of getting rich


fubar_giver

People already invest time and money into hardware for running bots, if they can profit off the scams etc. they promote and make back more than .1 doge they can continue on as usual. People also already dump huge sums of money into traditional forms of advertising.


OneThatNoseOne

I fully agree. It has the potential to make things worse czthe funders of bots can afford to burn cash while users leave because they can't


fubar_giver

From Twitters stand point, once they monetize bots, they would lose revenue every time they purge these accounts, giving less incentive to do so. Normal, less affluent users will just leave microtransaction-advertising hell.


tranceology3

Exactly


s1n0d3utscht3k

it’s 0.006 USD per tweet it’s hardly passing the costs on. it’s obviously more about just forcing blockchain transactions—the cost itself is rather meaningless


Hawke64

> the cost itself is rather meaningless Nice humble brag from Mr. Moneybags


IndepondentSuck1921

They make large amounts of money from the activity, bots or not


Russainbot

This would have probably caused 80% of Twitter users to quit. He was probably only going to use it to get dodge pumping then dump it and rug the idea lol


FldLima

Here we go again *Grabs popcorn*


QuickBASIC

Isn't there already a social network on the BCH Blockchain that isn't really being used?


minkipinki100

There is. It barely gets any traction because guess what? People don't want to pay for posting random junk


Harucifer

LMAO HE WANTED MICROTRANSACTIONS ON TWITTER ​ What a fucking joke of a guy.


Hawke64

Can't wait to buy Twitter horse armor


Bucksaway03

EA has entered the chat


iEatGlew

You guys just don’t get Web3…. Micro transactions as far as the eye can see will be the future


Cainderous

Everyone is focusing on "microtransactions to tweet" and while bad that's not even close to the dumbest part. The worst aspect is significantly more dangerous and stupid, to the point that it's clear Elon either has no fucking idea what he's talking about and is legitimately no-thoughts-head-empty, or he's a sociopath who doesn't see these as problems. What I'm talking about is the implications of turning a social media platform into a blockchain. Because what happens if someone doxxes another person, or posts stolen nudes or revenge porn, or posts *child porn* to the chain? You can't scrub that like a normal centralized system can. Once it's out there, it's done forever unless you manage to do a fork/rollback, but you'd have to do that every single time someone posted illegal content to your platform. You'd need to have some truly infallible system of manual reviews of all content that gets posted which isn't feasible, or you'd need to have some way to decouple the log of transactions to tweet from the content of tweets themselves which would always circle back around to needing a centralized database, negating the entire "purpose" of using a blockchain for social media to begin with. I'm disappointed (but tbh unsurprised) in a community of self-styled "crypto enthusiasts" seemingly missing this cataclysmic oversight and being more concerned with money instead.


BuffDarkKnight

Is silly to pay on the end user side to reply and to tweet. Not only is silly.. Is inconvenient for users to make a wallet, buy doge and then top up just to comment. You all might say "that's what blockchain it is right now!" oh boy you can't be so wrooong. Check out ICP token from Dfinity foundation. Not only everything is hosted on chain. (yes everything. frontend + backend), not needing an oracle because ICP has successfully implemented HTTPS calls on the blockchain. [link](https://twitter.com/dieter_icp/status/1575351513010036736?t=nM8W3jHlbIdv9Lvn6Huo2A&s=19) And users that visited and used the web page powered by ICP doesn't have to pay any transaction fees at all. Users just have to create an account like how they normally did on web2. And that's it! It doesn't even feel like is on web3 because of how fast ICP is! Decentralized reddit and fully on chain: https://dscvr.one Decentralized WhatsApp and fully on chain: https://oc.app Decentralized twitter and fully on chain: https://distrikt.io


neen209

ICP is so technically advanced that it’s mind-blowing


Zanena001

You forgot the best one of them: https://taggr.top/


SnooGadgets5328

I get tipped in crypto almost daily on DSCVR! I can also earn NFTs! DSCVR is a fast growing social dApp that recently received $9 Million in seed funding! https://dscvr.one/p/dscvr


Grassy_MC

I think it's great idea but could be better. First users should get +1 DOGE every time someone liked a tweet of theirs. On top of that every few days there was a free badge that gave both user DOGE and whoever we chose to gave it to rewarding user who make good tweets. Then only user with super low DOGE cannot post usually newer user or Bots. Also just keep Twitter 100% free. Instead of DOGE it will be a useless internet point that can never be tuned into money and instead of charging these points per post users just need to maintain a minimum point balance to post. That way it doesn't get taken over by bots hyper farming DOGE.


MaeronTargaryen

He wanted to buy twitter high and sell low


Hawke64

One of us! One of us!


llyrPARRI

Free speech is guaranteed because you have to pay to tweet? Bot farms still cost money to run, it wouldn't be the end of them at all. They'd just add a shitposting budget


Baecchus

Champion of free speech. Unless you are poor. You don't get to even talk in that case. Ironic.


sacred_thinker

Elon Musk trying so hard to come up with anything no matter how absurd just to integrate Doge with Twitter. Now this is how Billionaires shill their bags.


Hawke64

Businessman that tries to invent new problems and crypto scene. Name a more iconic duo.


steepleton

What’s he offering to read his tweets?


Commercial-Love-1989

He’s only charging .05 doge for that


bayron_ramirezz

The proof that he hasn’t made his fortune by taking decisions by himself ..!!!


mynameisbob29

The purpose of this is to get rid of the bots, charging a small amount of money makes it infeasible for someone to setup a spambot that does 1000 tweets a minute. However, I think a better idea is to only charge DOGE (or whatever currency) after a certain threshold of time and number of tweets. For example, charge 0.1 DOGE for every tweet over 10 within 1 hour.


strongkhal

Then get 10,000 bots that only tweet 9 times per hour


mynameisbob29

yes thats a good point, and to prevent that, there can be further stipulations added on. Disclaimer this is not my idea but something proposed by Microstrategy Chairman, Michael Saylor. He was talking about bitcoin but doge or any crypto would work as well. Basically, you also have to put up a minimum amount of DOGE as collateral on your account. Doesn't have to be a large amount, only maybe $5-$10 worth, and in exchange you receive a special checkmark (different than the verified checkmark) beside your name. If you misbehave such as spamming, your collateral gets confiscated. Twitter users can choose to only let people who are either verified or have the collateral checkmark to comment or reply. Regular tweeting can also have the restriction of time and number of tweets before it starts charging you on a per tweet basis. This system prevents someone from making 10000 bots because the collateral required would be massive. And if they do they'll all be the "unchecked" accounts which would have more restrictions. This is basically almost like Proof of Stake but designed for social media websites.


sevseg_decoder

For the people who are problems with bots, $100k isn’t really that much money. Especially not when it’s not even being spent but just put up as collateral. To the average dude in a developing country $5 is a lot.


RationalDialog

> The purpose of this is to get rid of the bots, charging a small amount of money makes it infeasible for someone to setup a spambot that does 1000 tweets a minute. Are you sure? state actors can have pretty big budget for such actions and I wager many of such bots are actually from state actors and that would be a drop in a bucket.


ziggyzago

A true visionary…


Hawke64

Maybe he'll invent trains someday


Vehement00

Elon: I'd like to introduce you to our new PoT system. Me: Proof of tweet? Elon: "Pay Only" Tweet Me: Back to Reddit Bois!!!


apocalyptustree

His innovation is to charge for “free” speech? Lmao


ImperialSoldiers

Elon being greedy.


Bucksaway03

Don't get rich any other way


Electrical_Potato_21

It's a very interesting idea. Twitter is hardly usable because of all the spam-bots, I wonder if this would have helped ease the problem or if they'd find a workaround.


Mycatpoopsupvotes

Ya all are bitching about spending a fraction of a penny.


practiceperfect111

Surefire way to ensure no one uses such a social network


KingofTheTorrentine

Reddits implementation have been better so far. They actually pay us shitcoins to post


NoviceExpert_

That would be amazing in my head. Mostly because I don't use twitter, but do own Doge.


user260421

man Elon truly hates Palmer


DynamoDylan

I dont use twitter or doge, but I am sure there are people thatbwould have jumped on this.


Electronic_Bunny

"You have to pay a tiny amount to register your message on the chain, which will cut out the vast majority of spam and bots. There is no throat to choke, so free speech is guaranteed.” He really just came out and said that if people are limited by a financial barrier then they "arn't being choked" and perfect "free speech" is guaranteed. When people talk "freedom", "liberty", or "free speech" 99% of the time its bankrupt and intends to allow a very very small minority to treat the world as their playground with no restrictions other than how much money you can burn.


ethical-onetwo

Putting "free speech" behind a paywall.


Kaldin_5

Yeah that'd kill Twitter pretty quick. Makes sense it wasn't implemented.


thinkerator

Does anyone have information on the amount of information currently on the blockchain (I see online that bitcoin blocks are mined every 10 minutes, contain ~4 MB and contain ~500 transactions) and how much twitter uses (I see posts of roughly 6000 tweets per second) and how putting twitter on the blockchain would impact current crypto infrastructure (how much information is being put on the blockchain, what resources are required to maintain it)?


EmperorStar

Elon really loves doge


slayer777a

So he thinks charging to post will improve free speech? What a fool.. it would deter many disadvantaged people using twitter as their voice


imHellaFaded420

“free speech”


ThatBGeorge

Free speech isn’t free if it costs money🙄🙄


samiiixxx

Like text message in the past 😂