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Should I report or just give up?

Should I report or just give up?

87yearoldman

I have no answer for you, I just think it's funny because the former CEO of that company was the godfather of death via covidiocy, Herman Cain.


mallio

/r/hermancainaward


logicordie

That subreddit dedicated to ridiculing people who die is super trashy.


lannister80

It's cathartic, not trashy. Fuck those idiots.


_SlavPotato_

>It's cathartic, not trashy. Fuck those idiots. This pandemic has made a whole bunch of - what I assume were - completely normal people into hateful lunatics. Imagine saying "fuck those idiots" to people that die of COVID. As someone who was hospitalized due to COVID, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies and here you have people like you celebrating people dying of it. It's disturbing, and if you can't see that you should take a step back and reconsider your positions on things.


FranklinQFurter

Catching Covid isn’t just an illness anymore, it’s been made into treating it like some kind of a moral failing by the shut-ins. You were selfish and weak for daring to leave your house, for going to work, for going to a restaurant or family party, for not masking hard enough, for allowing your kids to go to school, etc., etc. It’s absurd.


jesus_is_american

You were knowingly endangering your family every single time you did those things. I did it too. Don't pretend like you didn't put your family in danger though. A lot of the stuff people did was totally avoidable and all you had to do was change your life a little bit to comply. Have family parties outdoors, eat at home, work from home if possible, etc. 1yr of acting a little different to keep grandma alive is not too much, I think. It's absolutely a moral failing if you didn't take any precautions whatsoever. Don't call people shut-ins or snowflakes when they were trying to protect their loved ones. Already lost one person in my family to COVID. After that I stayed home and only hung out with people outdoors, even through winter, because I was not going to be responsible for any deaths or illness. I did the best I could. I protected those closest to me. If you went to restaurants, didn't mask up, had big unmasked family parties indoors, you can't say the same.


babygurlroxywp

typical triggered snowflake


FranklinQFurter

Found one of the shut-ins


lannister80

>Imagine saying "fuck those idiots" to people that die of COVID. No no, I have great sympathy for people who get covid who are **not** constantly posting on social media about how they refuse to be vaccinated, how it's all a big conspiracy, and other assorted disinformation that kills others. Sow, reap.


fivetoedslothbear

My version of pandemic fatigue is that I'm kind of giving up on people/businesses who don't bother with following the mitigations. I just accept the fact that I can't do everything I want. I go to places that wear masks, use curbside pickup, drive thru, or delivery. Also, dining in a park or forest preserve is nice, especially with the beautiful weather we get in autumn. I'm personally out of cares...I just change my behavior and probably wouldn't report. I'd just cross them off my list. If I have a personal relationship with the management, like at the egg restaurant nearby where the manager always takes time to say hello, I might mention it.


CarlOnMyButt

I never thought of it as a form of pandemic fatigue but I'm right there with you. The only fight I got left in me at this point is for my family and myself. If the people at AutoZone all don't wear masks then I just got to O'Reilly's. If both places don't follow protocol then I just go back to shopping online. The one nice thing about people walking around larger stores without a mask on is it signals to me where the asshole is.


froggielo1

I'm struggling with this alot too, any suggestions on overcoming it? My job is at the point where our souls are gone. We found out this week the CDC are stating if we have close contact with an individual who tests positive, as long as we are vaccinated we cannot stay home we must still work(prek teacher so noone we would be working directly with is vaccinated but we are) It's really hard to keep moving forward right now.


gardener-of-weeden

So the extreme rise in numbers does not bother you? I am not at the not caring about others phase yet. 90% of all my shopping is online, screw the local economy, Once a week we splurge with take out. but to see flat out defiance of the order pissed me off. Yes it is about my family, but also... what about those who can not vaccinate? we are/ but can still carry and spread it. STOP being afraid of a piece of cloth


Sufficient-Shine1490

Report and cross them off your list.


Chiraq_eats

This.


El_chupacabra99

Mind your own business and don't go back.


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the_taco_baron

Nothing will be done with your report. Go find somewhere else to eat if you're not comfortable there.


gardener-of-weeden

Well according to the police department you are very wrong. After writing my post I read our local newspaper ( I actually have a subscription). The police are doing spot checks of all local businesses Especially food service. So I guess I am not the only one bothered by this. And yes they are struck off my list.


the_taco_baron

Haha. Spot checks. Good luck with that.


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OddSun115

I had to report a place by me (McHenry co) but I know our idiot health dept won’t do a damn thing. None of the employees were wearing masks and the owner told me she wouldn’t wear one.


dangercat7305

I just did too!! Kaleidoscoops in Crystal Lake. None of the employees wear masks. The owner is openly anti-mask. My kid got a gift card from a school behavior rewards program, but I won't go. I'll go to another place instead.


SaveADay89

Report it. Businesses can be fined.


faceerase

I reported a business during the winter that was terrible about it in the North Suburbs. They were doing indoor dining despite it being banned. They even had a COVID case among their employees and didn't shut down for long enough. I talked to several agencies, including the guy that was responsible at the county and he was interested but frank. He was one of the only two people in charge of inspecting this on the county level, so he wasn't optimistic about being able to do anything.


ChiTawnRox

Why not just not go? Quit trying to tell other people what to do with their lives and livelihoods.


El_chupacabra99

Dont do this. Restaurants are already struggling. Mind your own business and dont go back.


SaveADay89

The reason restaurants are suffering is because of folks not doing what they're supposed to do to get this pandemic under control. The authorities will just give them a warning or small fine, anyway.


El_chupacabra99

The virus is endemic. We cant stop it even with mass vaccinations, see Israel. Punishing small businesses is just gross, ratting people out for something that doesnt matter...


SaveADay89

It's not endemic. Not yet. And ratting on businesses for not following public health rules isn't gross, the restaurant not following those rules would be gross.


FranklinQFurter

It has spread among hundreds of millions of people, with animal reservoirs to boot. Whether or not the 17 year old making your pizza is wearing a cloth mask that they got off Etsy isn’t changing that trajectory one bit. Covid is endemic and is never going away. Get vaccinated to protect yourself and move on. There’s ultimately nothing more to do.


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puttinginfarmhand

People wore masks during the Spanish flu and it also lasted multiple years. People didn’t just give up on masks… things got better, THEN people stopped wearing masks


FranklinQFurter

Mask orders during the Spanish Flu were generally short-term actions on the order of weeks that were done locally during the worst of outbreaks, not months-long indefinite orders across wide areas, and they still faced resistance. They also had a 0% vaccination rate, so the extra-silly step of telling vaccinated people to keep masking up wasn’t even a concept.


jmurphy42

Do you have a citation for that?


FranklinQFurter

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html) As an example, mask orders were put in place in San Francisco for four weeks between October and November 1918, and then brought back (against more opposition) between December 17 and February 1. Short term, localized, close to the beginning of the pandemic so it was fresh in people’s minds, and it was a 0% vaccinated population. This idea that people are just going to willingly and diligently wear masks for unending months, with no metric as to when it will end, and when over half of them are vaccinated and at *miniscule* risk (or are under age 60 and are at really low risk to begin with) is ridiculous and unsustainable.


jmurphy42

>Vaccines barely work with new variant. Removed for misinformation. The vaccines are effective against Delta. Cut it out.


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Chajado

I reported a Metra policeman to himself because he was not properly masking in Union Station.


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jmurphy42

Personally I'd both report them to public health and call the corporate line and tell them why I'm not coming back.


SwAeromotion

It's an unfortunate snapshot of society at the moment. I would pass on doing business with them in the future. You can report them, but understand that it may or may not help in the long run. You are doing what you can and I applaud you for that, but you cannot do much to influence what others do, unfortunately, in this context of where you do business. You can make your thoughts known and report, but unfortunately idiots will be idiots... even those that own established businesses. Make future decisions accordingly. You and others be safe out there!


gardener-of-weeden

Thank you, Funny thing is our main newspaper actually ran an article yesturday about the lack of cooperation from businesses during this pandemic. The city is implementing a police force to CHECK on businesses for compliance. So I guess I am not the only one who is fed up.


FranklinQFurter

I’m sure the police department is going to take that reeeeeally seriously, too


oakpoint1

This is a common theme that has been happening since the start. Selfish entitled human race. The only way they change there tune is if a close friend or family member gets deathly ill with covid. WELCOME TO THE NEW USA. No empathy for health-care worker's or anyone.


gardener-of-weeden

This is what is making me sick. I was raised with extremely different values. Being a good citizen / person was drilled into our heads from day 1. I still remember being told to honor "truth - justice and the American way"... sigh. Now it is so confusing to me. Holding the bible screaming "you must obey G\*D". but then shitting on EVERYTHING Jesus taught and the "rules" in the bible. The 7 deadly sins have become the 7 commandments.


Chajado

I think it would be quite a shock to many that low paid workers in hot kitchens might not wear their masks properly during a 10 hour shift. Might want to learn some home-cooking or stock up on Hot-Pockets.


CharlieTango3

Low paid workers in hot kitchens- who are also inside of a building with hundreds of unmasked patrons eating and talking loudly amongst themselves* They don’t care.


Starcaller26

I couldn't agree more. Covid will never go away. We can't all wear masks all the time for the rest of our lives. ​ If you have such a problem with it, don't go there.


gardener-of-weeden

>Covid will never go away. We can't all wear masks all the time for the rest of our lives. This is the reason why it wont. Foolish people.


Chajado

And deer…covid lives in the deer population…good luck with zero covid policies with them.


FranklinQFurter

Maybe the DNR can put a mask mandate on the deer


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gardener-of-weeden

Source of WILD gorilla's getting covid naturally? otherwise ... stop spreading false information


Chajado

Think it is zoo gorillas right now…don’t think they have tested wild ones. But is zoo gorillas can get it so can wild ones (they are the same species). It is nutty idea but covid does exist in wild animals…since that is where it originated.


gardener-of-weeden

Still waiting for your sources - BTW I said getting it **NATURALLY** aka **NOT** from human exposure. Or is that concept too hard for you - since I have asked it from you now 2 or 3 times. So give me the LEGITIMATE sources or STOP the misinformation!!!!!


GenericUsername52455

Avoid off-topic discussion. Gorillas? Seriously?


macimom

Do you seriously believe it will be possible to eradicate covid by wearing masks-ask Australia how their zero covid program is going? Japan, held up to the rest of the world for its exemplary masking had its covid peak this past August-after over a year of mask wearing. Its pretty foolish to believe that if people just wore their pieces of cloth a little more, a little better that covid would vanish.


gardener-of-weeden

Please explain the extreme surge in cases here in the us ( I am not in the other countries so I will not pretend to know how their population is reacting). As soon as the vaccine came out the "masks' were ripped off and the numbers exploded. only fools are afraid of a piece of cloth.


macimom

1) delta is much more contagious than the original strain and prior variants 2) seasonality.


gardener-of-weeden

Does not answer question. Why do Dr's wear masks when performing surgery? Answer that with anything other than to protect the patient from germs, then I will consider anything you say. Delta is more contagious - wear a mask and stop the spread.


FranklinQFurter

It won’t go away because it’s a contagious respiratory virus that has spread among hundreds of millions of people, with animal reservoirs to boot - not because someone isn’t wearing a mask at the local pizza joint. Covid is endemic, and is never, ever going away, period. Get used to it.


gardener-of-weeden

THIS is the reason our numbers have spiked. HOW did the animals get it? How is it being transmitted? you are a fool if you think masks do not help. I WILL log off and go out - how about you go to the library and learn about how contagious diseases ( polio, small pox etc) have been basically eradicated by intelligent and responsible people. Or are you of the pro-genocide group?


Chajado

Small pox did not live in animals…it if did it would not been eradicated….covid on the other hand does….good luck with zero covid in all the bats and deer.


gardener-of-weeden

Since you claim to be an expert - please show me your sources of corona19 and the delta variant occurring **naturally** in north american animals.


FranklinQFurter

Polio has not been eradicated - it’s still endemic in Afghanistan and Pakistan - and it has disappeared in the US and other countries locally by vaccination (which I am fully in support of) and better water and wastewater treatment, not by people wearing masks. (It’s also not a respiratory virus.) Smallpox was far, *far* more dangerous than Covid, with a death rate around 30%, higher in babies and small children, and it had the powerfully visual effect of the smallpox rash and subsequent scarring. It also took decades and decades to eradicate. There is zero chance that a similar campaign against Covid would take place, as if it would even be possible at all.


gardener-of-weeden

The reason I used the term mostly eradicated. I know this will not end nicely, The virus will get stronger and will attack more and more people. No it will not kill everyone, there will be hosts who will happily spread it. Those that it does not outright kill will be left with life long disabilities that the economy will be even worse than it has been in the past. I hope I am wrong - but I would put money down that I am not.


FranklinQFurter

“Hey, Mom! Can we get some meatloaf?”


loser_comedian

im very fatigued yelling at slack jawed mouth breathers to wear their fucking masks in the gas station. THOUSANDS of people go in and out and NOBODY SEEMS TO FUCKING CARE


FranklinQFurter

I got vaccinated, so I’ll trust The Science(tm) and go about my life, regardless of whether or not they mask at the restaurant. The guy making my pizza back in 2019 could’ve had a cold, or the flu, and I didn’t really give it a second thought then. I could order delivery from them today and not know if the person was wearing a mask in the car. My risk level from Covid is incredibly low now with a vaccine, so why worry about what I can’t control?


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Chajado

You think your chances of dying if infected is 50%? That pizza must be pretty good if you are willing to chance it.


FranklinQFurter

If *you* live in those circumstances, then yes, *you* can be as careful as *you* want or need to be, just like *you* probably would’ve done before March 2020 without expecting the rest of the world to also do it. There’s always something that could be lurking around the corner; worrying constantly about it doesn’t sound like much of a way to spend my life. And we’ve heard “this one affects kids/younger people/healthy people more!” about every new variant since the beginning. We overwhelmingly vaccinate the most vulnerable people and the elderly, and now younger unvaccinated people make up a larger (but still small!) percentage of severe cases? You don’t say!


Bearah27

I’m so happy to be where I am in Chicago. I try to limit how much I go out (no indoor dining for me either), but am so relieved to see masks, social distancing and lots of sanitizer at the places I do go.


gardener-of-weeden

As much as I hated the city ( I hate crowds), I really miss the willingness to help each other. Out here it is every man for himself and damn you if you do not have a white "member".


Emphasis_on_why

So now businesses without masks are white oppression?


gardener-of-weeden

Interesting lack of reading comprehension - But enjoy your illusions.


Inheavensitndown

Explain what you meant kind sir……..


gardener-of-weeden

Which part? The jist was that, (from what I have found) once you get to central Illinois the white male is king, and if you are not a white male you are basically nothing and will be treated as such. When I lived in the northern part of the state, I saw respect for myself and more acceptance for diversity than here. Plus in the city (I have been told) masks are everywhere, unlike here. What that has to do with white oppression and masks I have no clue.


Inheavensitndown

Thank you kind sir for your explanation.


lannister80

Both, report them and don't go there anymore.


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lannister80

Says the person promoting fear about a safe and effective vaccine


jmurphy42

Be civil.


Zurc8691

Cross them off your list.


Nearbyatom

Where or how do you report? Will the business get fined?


gardener-of-weeden

Contacting the public health department. This article appeared in my local paper today [https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/09/07/illinois-mask-mandate-people-following-new-rules-covid-19-delta-variant-spreads/5759156001/](https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/09/07/illinois-mask-mandate-people-following-new-rules-covid-19-delta-variant-spreads/5759156001/) I Just want them to wear a piece of cloth correctly - not a difficult concept.


Chajado

Wear an n95 mask then you don’t have to rely on pizza makers to wear PPE properly. Face shield would also add a layer of extra protection.


FranklinQFurter

So would a space suit, or a giant hamster ball


gardener-of-weeden

So YOU do not infect me I need to be even more careful? True your rights are much more important than anyone else. Especially the babies -- do they make N95 in infant sizes?


Chajado

I am vaccinated and am not going to infect you…if you are worried about all strangers you meet…then it should be you who take the extra precautions. There are other diseases out there besides covid and we did not mask the world back then.


gardener-of-weeden

I am tired of trying to have an intelligent discussion with the likes of you. here is proof of the effectiveness of vaccines [https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891) Unless you prefer it from your favorite "news" source.


Chajado

Don't worry, there have been no known cases of catching covid from eating a pizza prepared by an unmasked pizza-maker.


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Chajado

If you have some studies that I am unaware of them please post a link because I have ordered many a pizza during the pandemic. I just want to know the risk. Thanks.


haytil

If she had studies and facts, she wouldn't have resorted to name-calling.


Chajado

Yea, don't know what in my statement made me a covid denier type? I guess if you don't freak out about anything covid despite risk assessment it makes one a denier.


Ghrandeus

It's more about the delivery than the content. You two could have been informative without all the snark and vitriol. Instead your posts all feel like harassment.


Chajado

There is certainly vitriol on this thread...you got that part right.


Ghrandeus

I really don't want to get into an argument here, just trying to answer your question. The way I look at it, OP seems to be looking for advice because they were angry / scared / appalled / whatever. But then u/haytil responds by comparing her question to historical East Germany events. So now tension has been ramped up by that obviously inflammatory take. And then people are attacking OP about how it's not possible get infected by the food - but it turns out that OP's context was about front of house. Which I think it's a valid concern for them to have. I'm vaccinated but have all kinds of comorbidities, so I probably wouldn't be in this situation willingly, but if I were to walk into a place and no one was wearing a mask I would probably not feel safe either. I'm just saying more tact was needed rather than all this crap being flung back and forth.


gardener-of-weeden

Thank you. I am fed up, angry and scared. It is not JUST about me, there are many other people this is effecting. Seeing the numbers rise hits my heart every day. I do not have to know them to hurt for them. We have been "locked down" basically since late Feb. early March 2020. Never going near people without a mask, got the vaccine, remain 6' away. And working from home. I am tired of being "punished" because others do not care about the health of the community. I should not have lashed out, and brought myself to the lower level. just feeling attacked for no real reason. Can I defend my opinions with the 100's of well documented cdc guidelines? Probably every time ( should have them frickin book marked... lol.) I usually do - I just figured the people on this thread would be better educated. ALL it takes is a little piece of cloth - why is this so hard?


FranklinQFurter

It sounds like you might need to log off for a little while. Go outside this weekend; it’s going to be nice.


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haytil

> But then u/haytil responds by comparing her question to historical East Germany events. So now tension has been ramped up by that obviously inflammatory take. There's nothing inflammatory about my take. Snitching on your neighbors to the Stasi was exactly the kind of methodology encouraged and used in East Germany - and OP is old enough to have remembered that time. She's asking if she should do the same, I'm pointing out the very close similarity.


GenericUsername52455

Remain civil.


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FranklinQFurter

What if the person at the frozen food factory who made your Hot Pockets or frozen tendies wasn’t masked? Or the person who made your pizza was unmasked, or the guy who delivered your Uber Eats was unmasked in the car? How much are you going to worry about this stuff?


Chajado

I liked the stories earlier this year about raw chicken might have covid on their surface.


KalegNar

Raw chicken might have diseases on it? OMG! What am I supposed to do then? Cook it? Though yeah... You got any links to that? Because it sounds like a textbook overreaction that would be amusing to read.


Chajado

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/asia/china-coronavirus-chicken-wings-intl-hnk/index.html


HoudeRat

Report!


SaveADay89

Call 311 to report them.


gardener-of-weeden

Unfortunately that is for the City. I am in the wastelands of Springfield.


___TehJokur___

I would consider protesting outside their spot. I'll gladly join you.


haytil

We're snitching on neighbors now? Is this East Germany? If they're all vaccinated, then it's not a big deal and not a threat to you.


Chajado

I don't get how being unmasked while making a pizza is such a grave threat to someone's health.


gardener-of-weeden

SMH - It was the servers and front counter - no wonder the virus is more intelligent than most of the commenters here.


Chajado

You think you catch it from the less than a minute interaction picking up your pizza? We have free vaccines and people still worried about interacting with a stranger for a few seconds. Edit: If you are that worried why not wear an N95 that doesn't rely on low paid teenagers to properly don their cloth mask to protect you.


gardener-of-weeden

See my above comment.


haytil

Get vaccinated.


gardener-of-weeden

You think we are not? We are vaxed and masked N95. You also do know I am not the ONLY person to go there. But why worry about the kid who brings extra love to their mom who is undergoing chemo and can not be vaccinated.


GenericUsername52455

>If they're all vaccinated, then it's not a big deal and not a threat to you. ~~Removed for misinformation. Unsubstantiated claim without evidence.~~ This is contrary to CDC guidance indicated [here](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html). "If you are fully vaccinated, to maximize protection from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission." EDIT: Reversed removal decision since OP claims I misquoted. Now you all can see and decide for yourselves.


haytil

> Removed for misinformation. There's no misinformation. > Unsubstantiated claim without evidence. I'm not in the habit of citing sources for common-sense, commonly-known knowledge. Since you sound like an anti-vaxxer, in claiming that *my* claim about vaccine effectiveness is misinformation, here's a source for you: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/08/health/severe-breakthrough-cases-cdc-studies/index.html "For fully vaccinated Americans, the risk of being hospitalized or dying from Covid-19 is low -- much lower than the risk for unvaccinated people." > This is contrary to CDC guidance indicated here. > "If you are fully vaccinated, to **maximize protection** from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public **if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission**." (emphasis mine) * We're not talking about "maximizing protection," my response was "it's not a big deal and not a threat to you." If she wanted to "maximize protection," she would simply stay home. *That's not what's being discussed.* * More importantly, we're talking about *going to a pizza place*, not going to an area of *substantial or high transmission*, like a rock concert. You're quoting a completely irrelevant passage that has no bearing on my comment or the topic at hand, as some kind of evidence that I've peddled misinformation. Read the post before you put your foot in your mouth in a rush to denounce something just because you don't like it. Science is real, get over it.


GenericUsername52455

Thank you for your contribution to clarifying your end of the discussion. The conversation is about wearing masks in an area of transmission. A restaurant is most certainly an area of transmission, and wearing a mask in a restaurant is even state guidance in Illinois. Your comment said its no harm to you or a big deal if you're vaccinated. That may be true, but that's misleading. It is contrary to state and federal guidance, which calls for vaccinated people to wear masks.


haytil

>Your comment said its no harm to you or a big deal if **you're** vaccinated. That may be true, but that's misleading No, that's *not* what I said. Please don't misquote me or put words in my mouth, especially when the original quote itself isn't visible for other people to see that you're misquoting me - which is exactly why it's unacceptable for a perfectly valid, perfectly verifiable statement to be deleted by someone under the demonstrably false pretense that it is "misinformation." It leads to false assumptions on the part of *other posters* \- like yourself - who don't get actual *context* for what they see. EDIT: Apparently you're the person who removed the comment originally, so it's doubly unacceptable for you to misquote me, because you of all people know what I *actually* said. If I say "the sky is blue," it would be bad enough for you to remove the quote, stating it was "misinformation." It's doubly bad when you then reply stating that I said the "sky was red."


GenericUsername52455

Alright, I can tell you're very passionate about this. Between us consider it a botched call, and I will not advocate censorship generally, also consider my reversal of this decision a vow to that. I'll strikethrough portions of my comment. We'll let the community see and decide the two sides of the argument. **Again, I'm doing this for the community's sake, since you seem to be afraid of misquoting.** Have a good night.


haytil

Thank you.


gardener-of-weeden

Another pro drunk driver heard from ... Read how the vaccinations work - you can still pass on the virus.


haytil

>Another pro drunk driver heard from ... You have no idea what you're talking about. >Read how the vaccinations work - you can still pass on the virus. Read how the vaccinations work - you're a lot less likely to get infected if you have the vaccination. Read how the virus works - you can't pass it on if you aren't infected.


gardener-of-weeden

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html) in regards to my drunk driving comment unless...(deciding to be nice). The qualifying word is **LESS** likely NOT immune. And what about those who can not be vaccinated? It does not matter I am tired of trying to reason with the cause of the skyrocketing numbers.


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jmurphy42

Stay civil and quit spreading misinformation. Masks are effective at reducing transmission.


haytil

>Stay civil and quit spreading misinformation. There's nothing uncivil about my reply and there is no misinformation in my response. Stay honest in your assessment of posts. >Masks are effective at reducing transmission. Not really a relevant comment, because I didn't say otherwise. However, the fact that you commented as such - in a reply to my post - suggests that I *did* say otherwise, which is a disingenuous implication.


jmurphy42

>There's nothing uncivil about my reply You called him a "Stasi stool pigeon." >Not really a relevant comment, because I didn't say otherwise. You argued that the logic behind masking is "outdated and irrelevant," and implied that OP shouldn't care about whether the people he interacts with are masked if he's vaccinated. There's a reason the CDC reversed their previous guidance on masking. It works, it's necessary to curb spread in areas of high transmission, and it's disingenuous of *you* to pretend you never said such things. You're on strike two.


haytil

>You called him a "Stasi stool pigeon." False. I said she should stop *asking* *about* "snitching on your neighbors like a Stasi stool pigeon." That is not *calling her a Stasi stool pigeon.* It's pointing out that she's *asking about a behavior* that is analogous to the behavior of a Stasi stool pigeon (read a history book). I think her OP - and multiple replies - make it very clear that she's talking about reporting on her neighbors. That's literally the title of her post. >You argued that the logic behind masking is "outdated and irrelevant," No, I argued that an article positing that masking is our best bet against the coronavirus - written more than a year ago - is outdated and irrelevant, given that we *now* have much stronger tools at our disposal - specifically, vaccines. An unmasked, vaccinated population is going to be much safer to be within than a masked, unvaccinated population. A quick google search suggests *properly worn* masks reduce transmission by 65%. CNN reported in the last month that vaccines reduce transmission by 72% ("three and a half times" a reduction, specifically - do the math yourself) - and vaccines, unlike masks, can't really be *improperly applied* the way masks can (which reduces the relative effectiveness of masks even further). All of this, to be clear, as a response to OP calling me a "drunk driver" or some crap. Stop putting words in my mouth or ignoring the context of my statement, in your rush to denounce me. > and implied that OP shouldn't care about whether the people he interacts with are masked if he's vaccinated. I really don't think OP should care, if both OP and the pizza parlor guys are vaccinated. Vaccination not only reduces infection - meaning it also reduces transmission, as a vaccinated population will transmit less as they will be infected less, and infection is a requisite for transmission - it also reduces severity of symptoms. That's not misinformation, that's opinion based on science. > There's a reason the CDC reversed their previous guidance on masking. Yeah, because vaccine hesitancy is super high, and non-vaccinated people were just coasting along pretending like they don't have to wear a mask when they're unvaccinated, despite CDC's recommendations that unvaccinated people should continue to wear masks, even when vaccinated people didn't need to. It was an honor system, the unvaccinated took advantage of it, and so the guidance had to be reversed, because transmission remained too high thanks to the unvaccinated. Note that the CDC at one point - and I'm repeating myself here - recommended that vaccinated individuals didn't need to wear a mask. They did so because *the CDC knows that vaccines are our best weapon against the virus*, more so than masks - and any pre-2021 article arguing otherwise is thus outdated. If you believe the CDC believes masks are our best weapon against the virus, more so than vaccines, then you need to cite your sources. Extraordinary claims require credible evidence. > It works, it's necessary to curb spread in **areas of high transmission** (emphasis mine) And that would be relevant if we were talking about an **an area of high transmission** which we certainly are not. A pizza parlor is not a rock concert. > You're on strike two. What's strike one, buddy? Or are you talking about the previous claim of misinformation, which the moderator then walked back when they realized they were misquoting or misunderstanding my statement? You all need to get your stories lined up first. My advice to you is to fully read and digest everything you're reading in a back-and-forth dialog, before leaping to judgements or - even worse - taking actions against any participants. It's clear - not only from your false claims about what I said, but also from other basics, like your mis- or non-understanding the gender of the participants - that you aren't taking the time to actually understand what's being said before racing to your conclusions. If you have an itchy trigger finger, maybe you shouldn't be moderating.


gardener-of-weeden

I am not going to bother to read all of your ramblings, My IQ has been lowered enough by the 1st paragraph. FOR YOUR INFORMATION - I have not "ratted out" my neighbors, I am nice to them and stay over 6' away from them. They will still get my holiday gifts, and I pray that they do not infect their great grandchild. On the OTHERHAND - When I go into a FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS I have the RIGHT to expect sanitary conditions. You can bitch all you want about this, but your "rights" should not cancel mine out.


jmurphy42

Those are weasel words. You were uncivil. Cut it out. Your argument that properly worn masks reduce transmission by 65% and vaccination reduces transmission by 72% *doesn't mean that we shouldn't do both*. We're in the middle of a surge and under a mask order, and you're comparing OP to the Stasi for wanting to report a violation of the law. [The entire state of Illinois is an area of high transmission as categorized by the CDC](https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidelines-map-high-covid-transmission-county/5400268001/) (article is old, but the map inside is updated daily). ​ >I really don't think OP should care, if both OP and the pizza parlor guys are vaccinated. Why on earth would you assume a bunch of people violating the law and refusing to wear their masks are vaccinated? And OP made it clear her spouse is elderly with multiple comorbidities, she has excellent reason to avoid interacting with unmasked people. ​ >If you believe the CDC believes masks are our best weapon against the virus, more so than vaccines, then you need to cite your sources. And you're claiming *I'm* putting words in *your* mouth? ​ Stop insulting people, and don't spread misinformation about masks.


Chajado

This has not been proven. Having a high viral load for a day does not prove that one is spreading it.


kodemage

If you report it you should really go back and take pictures/video and send them to the health department. That's the best chance you have of getting something positive out of this. It should be about as easy as sending an email and you don't need more than like 30 seconds, just a clear video showing the name of the restaurant and a couple employees without masks. That little bit of evidence makes their job so easy and it costs you nothing but time.


Chajado

You could do this with any business. I was just at the doctors office where several of the office staff were using masks as chins straps...this was after they pepper me with all the Covid screening questions (of course they never inquired if I were vaccinated).


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Oldskooler76

Covid doesn’t reproduce in your GI tract.


Chajado

18 months in and people still don't understand you can't catch covid from eating food. Unreal. This thing is never going to end.


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Stay home. It’s that simple.


ScoundrelPrince

Please, just stop going.


gardener-of-weeden

https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/09/07/illinois-mask-mandate-people-following-new-rules-covid-19-delta-variant-spreads/5759156001/


viewofthelake

Give the business a chance to do the right thing. Talk to the manager first. Call them - be polite, and let them know that their staff needs to be wearing masks. If they still refuse to wear masks, then report them.


Far-Masterpiece-6589

At this point i think it couldn’t possibly be a lack of knowledge or miscommunication.


gardener-of-weeden

After almost 2 years they need to be told? here is an article https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/09/07/illinois-mask-mandate-people-following-new-rules-covid-19-delta-variant-spreads/5759156001/


viewofthelake

People can downvote me, but I still think it's better to offer people the proper chance before just reporting them.


jcg17

You got my upvote


Neverdied

Report


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jmurphy42

Be civil.


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jmurphy42

Then consider yourself told.


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gardener-of-weeden

I am ... but thanks for the sarcastic reply.


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awilder181

I would be worried about your brain cells at this point. There seems to be so few of them left.


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awilder181

Coming from the person that is being willfully ignorant to reality during a pandemic, and is constantly regurgitating misinformation, I’m not surprised you see someone poking fun at your ignorance as childish. The irony is lost on you and you alone kid.


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gardener-of-weeden

What proof did I miss that masks are ineffective? please send me a link to a medical report (NOT BY A FOX faux dr.). here is mine https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html Everytime I have surgery my Dr wears a mask to protect **me**. Should they just do away with them? I think you and others think that me wearing a mask protects me - it does a little... but YOUR mask is what protects ME. Why are you afraid of a piece of cloth.


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GenericUsername52455

>the masks we're using are uneffective there's a difference even doctors are acknowledging >piece of cloth versus the in 95 masks to almost nothing for real protection we should all be switching to kn95 or in 95 >the bikini that you're putting on your face that has no layers no filter does little to nothing. Comment removed for misinformation. Unsubstantiated claims without evidence. It is common knowledge that any masks that fit the [criteria](http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus/faq) listed by the IDPH under "What type of mask should I wear" indicates what classifies as an "effective" mask, N95 or not.


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GenericUsername52455

>why are you quoting the CDC when it is been proven time and time again they don't know what the crap they're doing they're just making the stuff at the whim to go along with political nonsense u/Numerous_Complaint52, this comment is removed violation of rule 9 and 11. Unsubstantiated claim without evidence. Provide the proof you mention that the CDC doesn't know what they're doing, making stuff up, and politically inclined to do so. Then it will be reversed. Thank you.


GenericUsername52455

Removed for misinformation. Refer to my other [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusIllinois/comments/pln10q/should_i_report_or_just_give_up/hcg2371/) I left you. Masks do not have to be N95 to be effective at helping prevent the transmission of COVID-19. u/Numerous_Complaint52, this is the fourth run-in I've had with you over misinformation. Do some research and come back after your temporary ban is lifted. Thank you.