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Daily Discussion Thread | September 11, 2021

Daily Discussion Thread | September 11, 2021

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Gremegity

Question: I have had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. However my coworker that I was in close contact with yesterday tested positive this morning. Should I get tested for the virus? And if so, should I do it immediately or wait for symptoms?


toss77777777

You can get tested. Your chances of getting it are around 1 in 5,000.


galaxystarsmoon

Were you masked with your coworker? Wait until 5 days after your last exposure to them or immediately if you begin to show symptoms. Do a PCR, NOT a rapid. Do not go around others until you get a negative test.


Gremegity

i was wearing my face shield. i honestly don't remember if she was wearing one properly. she had one on, but it might not have been over her nose and mouth. i honestly can't recall. ETA: I was only in her presence for a few minutes but due to the nature of our work (hotel front desk) I was in a place she had been for the entire shift


galaxystarsmoon

Yeah, then what I said definitely applies.


Imbaethicc

I got both doses back in February and I got sick with COVID last week. I say test if you have easy access to it.


Kevin-W

Update on my family COVID situation. Everyone has tested negative except for my dad. However, it's suspected he may have lingering COVID viral loads and is no longer contagious. He is getting re-tested tomorrow to be sure.


jurassic73

Question: if you've already had two doses of pfizer, down the road when it's suggested that the general population get a booster can you get moderna?


toss77777777

I don't think they have any official recommendations or plans yet. In some reports I saw that they said it was ok to get a mix of Pfizer and Moderna, but in another I saw that the dosages were different for the boosters. They really need to get organized about this and communicate the plan.


Detoid

I just looked this up on the cdc website-ideally you will get the same vaccine as the first, but if its not available, get the other one. Source: CDC covid vaccine [FAQ](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html)


Pickleballer23

No booster policy has been set yet. Nothing is FDA approved yet. Nothing is CDC recommended yet. And there is no basis for assuming long term results of a secondary immune response based on waning antibody level in the primary series.


Detoid

You are right. There is now an “additional dose” recommended for certain groups, like people with blood cancers. In this case they recommended getting the same one, if possible, for the third shot.


jurassic73

I was curious since I read that Moderna has a higher efficacy than Pfizer.


positivityrate

It won't matter that much. Getting a booster, if necessary, will be a bigger deal than which manufacturer.


Trowaway4da8

Can someone help me ? ( A doctor or someone that knows about this)I took the first dose of Pfizer in June. Never took the second one. Do I need to get the first shot again or can I take the second one even after all this time ?


toss77777777

The two shots are identical. Some people take them months apart which is totally fine. Call the clinic where you're getting your shot or check with a doctor to beside.


Pickleballer23

Both doses are the same. The one you get now will be your second dose. You will actually get better protection with the longer time interval, but at the expense of being more exposed to the virus in the meantime.


TroelEmbiid21

Ask a doctor. But the shots are the same so probably just go get your second.


Lyrrad0

2021-09-11 USA Vaccination demographics update **% received at least one dose by age** |**Age**|**Sep-11**|**Sep-04**|**Aug-28**|**Aug-21**|**Aug-14**|**Aug-07**|**Jul-31**| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**75+**|89.7%|89.4%|89.0%|88.5%|88.1%|87.7%|87.4%| |**65-74**|95.0%|94.6%|94.0%|93.5%|92.9%|92.4%|91.8%| |**50-64**|81.5%|80.9%|80.1%|79.2%|78.3%|77.4%|76.5%| |**40-49**|73.6%|72.8%|71.7%|70.6%|69.4%|68.2%|67.0%| |**30-39**|67.7%|66.8%|65.5%|64.3%|63.0%|61.7%|60.4%| |**25-29**|58.7%|57.7%|56.5%|55.3%|54.1%|52.9%|51.7%| |**18-24**|61.3%|60.2%|58.9%|57.6%|56.2%|54.8%|53.4%| |**16-17**|59.6%|58.6%|57.1%|55.5%|53.7%|51.7%|49.7%| |**12-15**|51.6%|50.3%|48.6%|46.6%|44.2%|41.6%|38.9%| |**0-11**|0.46%|0.46%|0.46%|0.46%|0.46%|0.46%|0.45%| |***18+***|75.9%|75.2%|74.2%|73.2%|72.2%|71.2%|70.2%| |***12+***|74.0%|73.2%|72.2%|71.2%|70.0%|68.9%|67.8%| |***All***|63.4%|62.8%|61.9%|61.0%|60.0%|59.1%|58.1%| **Percentage point changes in received at least one dose by age in prior week** |**Age**|**Sep-11**|**Sep-04**|**Aug-28**|**Aug-21**|**Aug-14**|**Aug-07**| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**75+**|0.32 pp|0.44 pp|0.45 pp|0.43 pp|0.35 pp|0.38 pp| |**65-74**|0.41 pp|0.56 pp|0.57 pp|0.58 pp|0.51 pp|0.56 pp| |**50-64**|0.59 pp|0.82 pp|0.83 pp|0.89 pp|0.91 pp|0.97 pp| |**40-49**|0.79 pp|1.1 pp|1.1 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp| |**30-39**|0.95 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp|1.3 pp|1.3 pp|1.3 pp| |**25-29**|0.98 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp|1.2 pp| |**18-24**|1.1 pp|1.4 pp|1.3 pp|1.4 pp|1.4 pp|1.4 pp| |**16-17**|1.1 pp|1.5 pp|1.6 pp|1.8 pp|2.0 pp|2.0 pp| |**12-15**|1.3 pp|1.8 pp|2.0 pp|2.4 pp|2.6 pp|2.6 pp| |**0-11**|0.00 pp|0.00 pp|0.00 pp|0.00 pp|0.00 pp|0.00 pp| |***18+***|0.73 pp|0.97 pp|0.96 pp|1.0 pp|1.00 pp|1.0 pp| |***12+***|0.77 pp|1.0 pp|1.0 pp|1.1 pp|1.1 pp|1.2 pp| |***All***|0.66 pp|0.88 pp|0.89 pp|0.96 pp|0.96 pp|0.99 pp| *pp are percentage points, the arithmetic difference between two percentages. 50% to 55% is 5 pp.* Source: [CDC vaccination demographic trends](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographics-trends) Excludes Texas (\~9% of US). Previous Updates: [2021-09-04](https://reddit.com/comments/phmql9/a/hbmxqgl) [2021-08-21](https://reddit.com/comments/p8mvo0/a/h9uvh3j) [2021-08-07](https://reddit.com/comments/ozojwt/a/h83kson) [2021-07-31](https://reddit.com/comments/ov2kxx/a/h79jbeo)


Lyrrad0

Here's a couple extra tables that don't fit into the original post. **% fully vaccinated by age** |**Age**|**Sep-11**|**Sep-04**|**Aug-28**|**Aug-21**|**Aug-14**|**Aug-07**|**Jul-31**| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**75+**|79.7%|79.4%|79.0%|78.7%|78.3%|78.1%|77.8%| |**65-74**|84.4%|84.0%|83.5%|83.0%|82.6%|82.2%|81.8%| |**50-64**|71.4%|70.7%|69.9%|69.1%|68.4%|67.8%|67.3%| |**40-49**|62.8%|61.9%|60.9%|59.9%|59.1%|58.4%|57.8%| |**30-39**|56.6%|55.6%|54.5%|53.5%|52.7%|52.1%|51.5%| |**25-29**|48.0%|47.2%|46.2%|45.3%|44.5%|44.0%|43.4%| |**18-24**|49.4%|48.5%|47.4%|46.4%|45.4%|44.6%|43.8%| |**16-17**|48.6%|47.2%|45.4%|43.8%|42.3%|41.1%|40.1%| |**12-15**|39.8%|38.0%|35.7%|33.6%|31.6%|30.0%|28.7%| |**0-11**|0.29%|0.28%|0.28%|0.28%|0.28%|0.28%|0.28%| |***18+***|65.2%|64.5%|63.6%|62.8%|62.1%|61.5%|60.9%| |***12+***|63.2%|62.4%|61.4%|60.5%|59.7%|59.0%|58.4%| |***All***|54.2%|53.5%|52.6%|51.8%|51.2%|50.6%|50.1%| **% of unvaccinated population that received first dose in prior week** |**Age**|**Δ Sep-11**|**Δ Sep-04**|**Δ Aug-28**|**Δ Aug-21**|**Δ Aug-14**|**Δ Aug-07**| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**75+**|3.1%|4.0%|3.9%|3.6%|2.9%|3.0%| |**65-74**|7.6%|9.4%|8.7%|8.1%|6.7%|6.9%| |**50-64**|3.1%|4.1%|4.0%|4.1%|4.0%|4.1%| |**40-49**|2.9%|3.8%|3.7%|3.9%|3.8%|3.7%| |**30-39**|2.9%|3.6%|3.4%|3.6%|3.4%|3.2%| |**25-29**|2.3%|2.8%|2.6%|2.7%|2.5%|2.4%| |**18-24**|2.7%|3.3%|3.1%|3.2%|3.0%|3.0%| |**16-17**|2.6%|3.4%|3.5%|3.9%|4.1%|4.1%| |**12-15**|2.6%|3.4%|3.7%|4.2%|4.5%|4.3%| |**0-11**|0.00%|0.00%|0.00%|0.00%|0.00%|0.00%| |***18+***|2.9%|3.7%|3.6%|3.7%|3.5%|3.5%| |***12+***|2.9%|3.7%|3.6%|3.8%|3.6%|3.6%| |***All***|1.8%|2.3%|2.3%|2.4%|2.4%|2.4%|


kjordan1579

My gut says that the 25-29 group might have the lowest incentive to get vaccinated. Speaking very broadly of this age group: They consider themselves “young and healthy”. They’re not but not going on college campuses (where it’s required) Many don’t have children. Have parents that are not so old that they’re very high risk but also may not have all grandparents alive. Probably live and spend the majority of their time with similar age peers in similar situations. Obviously this is a very basic and non scientific analysis. It’s more of an observation of my siblings, cousins and family friends in this age group. But my point is…maybe for some groups the incentive to get vaccinated is higher due to risk of the health and safety of those in your life as opposed to your personal risk


ohn0anywayz

Why don't they just mandate the vaccine for over 50's, the obese, people with prior health conditions and then just move on.


DazzlingAnalyst8640

How would that help with all the young people that are being hospitalized now?


Oddrenaline

"the obese, people with prior health conditions" That would cover most of em


DazzlingAnalyst8640

Ah I read those as being adjectives just for people over 50. Also many of the young people getting very sick are considered to be very healthy individuals.


ventricles

There are very, very few healthy younger adults getting seriously sick or dying of covid. There are always unlucky outliers of course, but the numbers of under 50 adults that aren’t obese or have serious health issues that are hospitalized are honestly minuscule. It’s just the ones that are make headlines. Everyone should still get vaccinated, but let’s not be dishonest or disingenuous about the actual risk here.


Varolyn

Be wary of the words “very healthy individuals” when referring to adults in the US. It’s frankly a very low bar in the US. A lot of “skinny-fat” adults in the US are considered “healthy” when in reality they really aren’t.


kjordan1579

What’s skinny-fat? Serious question, I’ve never heard that term


Varolyn

Sorry for the late response, but skinny fat basically is if someone isn’t overweight for their height, but they still have relatively high body fat. So someone who’s like 6 ft 180 lbs but with 25% body fat would be considered skinny fat.


DazzlingAnalyst8640

…..there are still many very healthy adults in the US. Yes we have many chronic illness and obesity problems but that doesn’t mean everyone falls into those categories.


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jdorje

Recent research strongly suggests that antibodies are essential to protection after vaccination, but *not* after infection. > As much as the vaccine helps, nothing compares to our bodies own defense The vaccine is literally training for our body's own defense. It's especially effective after infection.


Pickleballer23

Not true at all. First, there is a lot more to the immune response than antibody level. Second, there is a large (100-fold) variation in how people respond to the infection. Third, it’s unquestioned that infection + vaccine gives much better immune protection than from infection alone, especially against variants. A review here: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abj2258


RUThrowaway_89012

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/coronavirus/connecticut-college-goes-remote-due-to-covid-cases/2577213/ So it looks like Connecticut college has gone remote due to a covid outbreak. Keep in mind, all students are required to be vaccinated and wear masks and ~98% are vaccinated. Out of ~1700 students, 68 tested positive (mostly due to not following protocols) and now they’ve gone remote. I really hope this is not a sign of things to come for other colleges…


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My son's school also requires vaccinations and masks. They were testing the basketball team so they could play other schools and found a bunch of asymptomatic cases. He told me he'll drop out if they go remote.


Oddrenaline

Vaccines really aren't going to save us from this pandemic huh?


Bossman01

Dude, people like you are part of the problem.


crozzy89

Considering that vaccines have historically stopped pandemics, I would say that the odds of vaccines bringing the pandemic to an endemic level is highly likely. Here are some other fun diseases vaccines have helped out with: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html


Oddrenaline

I don't doubt vaccines. I doubt people's willingness to trust them. A group of 99% vaccinated people should not have to quarantine from one another.


zaaaaap1208

And I doubt the testing. An entire school or district of university that requires vaccination should not be going around looking for cases. The obsession with testing a majority vaccinated population will drag this out longer than the people refusing to get the vaccine will.


crozzy89

I agree with you there. Even with a smaller percentage of people vaccinated, we shouldn’t have to quarantine.


Mrjlawrence

“Arcelus said most of the students who tested positive this week were vaccinated and the cases are a direct result of not following masking protocols.” It’s college kids so doesn’t surprise me. Says they’re under cautionary quarantine for at least another week. It seems likely colleges taking precautions will have some off and on quarantines


robotical712

The Worldometers’ COVID graphs are just depressing. Death numbers are way above where we were a year ago and school just started. This winter is going to be ugly.


xavier_laflamme70

I know a few states are releasing data on breakthrough cases but there was one state that was releasing a PDF that kept getting linked, does anyone know which state that was? I had it open but lost it.


Wizmaxman

Oklahoma


xavier_laflamme70

That's it, thank you!


TheDutchDemon

Hey guys, 27 year old healthy guy here that recently got a positive COVID test result. I think I've had it since Monday or Tuesday and I'm surprised I still have symptoms today. Still have a low grade fever under 100, somewhat frequent coughing, and generally stuffy with a dry throat. Taking lots of Vitamin C, drinking lots of water, Tylenol every so often, and still eating my foods while getting rest. Any recommendations for things I can do to speed up my recovery or maybe what to expect as far as the progression of this virus may be since it's already been almost a week?


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large_pp_smol_brain

Wait what? I’ve had seasonal colds that lasted a week, it does not seem like some big shocker that your COVID symptoms are going on 5 days. As far as recommendations to speed up recovery I would strongly recommend a doctor or some medical professional for that type of advice, I’ve seen things with zero evidence (like colloidal silver) recommended on Reddit.


TheDutchDemon

Fair enough, I'm just comparing my experience to those of some relatives and friends who have had shorter bouts that have less healthy lifestyles compared to mine. I'm just a little surprised the low grade fever hasn't gone away since Tuesday.


Imbaethicc

I’m sorry you’re still experiencing a fever! I also just got it and I must say popsicles were really helpful to me in cooling down a bit. That and a cool washcloth and have the windows open (if you live somewhere with a breeze).


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Mrjlawrence

No.


pl487

Congress would have to pass a new law for that, and that's not happening unless things get dramatically worse.


toss77777777

In the US the federal government can't really do this for everyone. States could theoretically require this of citizens but of course not all of them would (i.e. Florida). State or local governments can make their own decisions, as can school districts and companies. So it isn't as simple as someone simply deciding at a federal level. The same is true of masks which is why that is also a patchwork.


NoForm5443

In the US? I seriously doubt it. First, it would be of dubious legality, and second, it's probably not needed. The current mandates will probably get us another 10% vaccination among adults, and the vaccine approval for kids another 50-60% of kids vaccinated. It's probably somebody who wants to create more fear about the current mandates :)


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marxbro4521

So what's the deal with the Mu variant? My social media tends to be more pessimistic in orientation, and I'm trying to learn more about what the actual known risks of the variant are without also falling into catastrophizing about it. I've seen that Delta has out-competed Mu so far, but is there reason to think it is 'vaccine resistant' as news coverage is stating? If so, then what's to stop it from just surging alongside Delta? (I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, that if a variant is able to bypass the vaccine, it would also be able to bypass natural immunity too.)


toss77777777

It is a 'variant of interest" and has shown some interesting qualities in the lab but that's it. The variants essentially compete with one another and the most contagious wins, so in order to become a problem it would have to be more contagious than delta in addition to whatever other properties it has. The media, and social media, just loves the idea of a new variant that is more deadly and is also resistant to vaccines which plays into their doomsday armageddon fantasies. But that doesn't make it real.


marxbro4521

I guess that gets to my other question, about immune escape. If it's actually able to get around the vaccine / antibodies, then it wouldn't really be competing with Delta, right? Because presumably it could just infect many people who have already had Delta and/or the vaccine. So if it is being outcompeted by Delta, then it must be at least somewhat susceptible to antibodies. Is that right?


Varolyn

Mu is borderline a non-story by this point. It is in fact becoming less and less prevalent throughout the world with each passing week, and it wasn't very prevalent to begin with. In only has a significant presence in one country, Chile. Edit: it’s not Chile, it’s Columbia.


jdorje

> Chile Colombia you mean. https://covariants.org/per-country


Varolyn

Yeah that’s my bad got the two countries mixed up for some reason lol.


Seeing_Eye

I was old enough to remember when Lambda was the hot new story


marxbro4521

Got it. There are a growing number of stories about it in my state (Ohio), and I recently saw one saying that numbers were increasing in the state (but still less than 1% of cases sequenced so far).


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BearWylls2005

Okay quick hypothetical question, if I have had coronavirus and given it to a family member, once I have tested negative and am recovering can I get the virus again from said infected family member? Having a debate about it with a mate in a biology shadow lesson, figured thered be smarter people here


Birabending

I think they're still determining how long immunity after infection lasts. There's some evidence to suggest that cases previously reported as reinfections were really relapses. So you may think you've recovered and test negative but further exposure to the virus may cause it to re-emerge, causing you further symptoms. It looks like they're also saying that if you were previously infected and recover, you can still get exposed again and harbor the virus. So while you yourself may not get sick again (feel symptoms) right away, you can still infect others. People who are vaccinated are less likely to experience these scenarios. https://news.psu.edu/story/666063/2021/08/15/campus-life/can-i-get-reinfected-if-ive-already-had-covid-19 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html


BearWylls2005

Cool, thanks man, also thanks for linking sources, ill give them a read now


pl487

It's not impossible, but it's highly unlikely. The CDC guidelines assume that you have three months of post-illness immunity and don't need to isolate or test during that period even if re-exposed. Of course, even if it happened, there would be no way to prove it; you can intermittently test positive for weeks after illness.


ughmindlessmindd

do you guys see the ohio state football game, 100,000 people and vaccine isnt mandatory....


RytheGuy97

Wish I was there.


tvfanstan

You've earned your downvotes today.


Oddrenaline

Sounds fun


alexbananas

Oh no...anyways, the ducks have to win this game!!


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Varolyn

Are you vaccinated? Where in the midwest are you going to?


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toss77777777

Sorry that is not a thing, the covid vaccines do not "expire".


Varolyn

Why would your vaccination card have an expiration date on it? To my knowledge, none of the vaccine cards of my family members has such a thing on there. And boosters weren't really a big subject back in the Spring so I'm not sure why the person who administered it even made that comment. Nevertheless, you should still be ok to go out in the Mid-west. If you want to, wear and N-95 mask for extra precautions but there is little to fear unless if you are immunocompromised.


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JuliaSugarbaker1220

There isn’t a space for an expiration date. I think you’re confused or something.


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MeowingPurrito

I agree with the other commenter, that sticker does not say anything about waning immunity. The expiration date only indicates how long the vial of vaccine can be stored before it's administered. My vaccination card also has something like that, a sticker with vaccine type, lot number, and expiration date.


tvfanstan

There is no such thing. Why would you come here and make something like this up?


dragonfliesloveme

Yes my card has a sticker on it with an expiration date. Why would you accuse me of making this up?? I think the people saying it is the exp of the vaccine in the bottle, as opposed to the vaccine in my body, that the date refers to. I just wanted some help jfc Do you always accuse people of things you know nothing about?


JuliaSugarbaker1220

That’s when the vaccine in the bottle expires, dude. I bet you actual dollars. I’d also guess you have a lot number on that sticker? It doesn’t mean your vaccination status expires.


mbamatriculating2021

I'm wondering if we are starting to see the virus hit steady-state endemic levels in certain parts of the world. Looking at NYC, for example, where 60% of the population has been fully vaccinated and it's estimated that prior infection is also ~60% (ie: total protection of roughly 85%), the summer Delta wave was EXTREMELY mild. Peak deaths per day of <10 vs. nearly 100 during last winter's wave and >500 in the initial 2020 wave. This all came despite a wide open economy where most people are socializing maskless indoors pretty regularly. COVID isn't going away, but hoping that this is indicative that reaching 80-90% protection can basically turn it into a flu that we don't really need to worry about.


sf-keto

Let's see what happens in Denmark. They're 80%+ vaccinated & have gone back to normal. So we'll see if NYC is a fluke or not. Ireland will soon be in the same state, maybe by Nov. so that will be a clue too.


toss77777777

Yes I think this has been happening. I'm in the DC metro area and pretty much all restrictions were removed at Memorial Day and we never really had a problem. There has been a surge of cases recently probably because of schools, but not a lot of illness or hospitalization or death. Vaccination levels are high and it's a suburban area where people can easily isolate and work from home. Other parts of the country are similar for similar reasons. I mean basically it's been over for us for months, some are nervously watching the current wave but it is already subsiding. The media will of course never report any good news like this and will keep looking to find the areas where there is a problem and report that. But a lot of areas are doing fine.


ajh158

Please don't respond with jokes or hate, just looking for serious replies. I have a vaccine hesitant friend that shared a Dr. Suneel Dhand video with me as evidence to support their position. Is there any critical analysis of Dhand's work by other Doctors? Are there any other Doctors that share his position on covid vaccination? He seems so well-informed but some of his posts seem to veer into thinly veiled crazy to me. For example, he talks about high % breakthrough cases in certain places, but it seems like those places are ones with high vaccination rates, so of course they would have to have a higher % of breakthroughs. TL;DR: Dr. Suneel Dhand seems legit but is feeding vaccine hesitancy. I'm looking for other Doctors that respond to his posts.


No_more_hiding

Breakthrough infections don't matter as much if hospitalisations, severe disease and deaths are down. These so called Drs can dissect the details all they want and spin data out of context, but these simple graphs don't lie. Look at the drastic drop in UK hospitalisations and deaths since vaccinations were introduced. Bear in mind we've had the Delta variant exploding since at least July and have no restrictions. Our case numbers aren't great but we'd be screwed without vaccinations. It doesn't need to be made complicated and anyone who makes it so is trying to cause confusion and hesitancy. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare


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Thanks for responding. Can you explain what you mean by that?


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blueleaf_in_the_wind

What are you talking about?


Zedlok

Today is a tough day. Trudging through the performative grief of 20 years ago when more Americans were killed *yesterday* by Covid and most people barely notice.


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Blazah

It's crazy to me too.


PrinceSorrow

What's the current thinking around boosters for those who got the J&J? Should I go grab a Pfizer etc?


jdorje

The current research, though limited, suggests an mRNA dose 3 months after would be *extremely* valuable.


asophisticatedbitch

Anecdotal for sure but my is a physician in Canada and a Med school teacher. My boyfriend here in California only got J&J and my dad’s take on the current research is the boyfriend should get an mRNA shot as soon as he can. My dad sent me some links to research I can dig up.


Oddrenaline

I heard from a professor and another source that my college doesn't plan to remove students who refuse to get vaccinated. They're going to block students from their Blackboard accounts and from campus wifi. Basically they're planning to ensure that these students fail their classes. The idea is that we're in a very conservative area, and the number of anti-vaxers would result in too much of a financial cost for the school if we remove all of them. I'm not sure how I feel about this.


rubyfisch

Logistically, how would you like the school to remove them? Send campus police to their dorm rooms and escort them off campus? Have them arrested for trespassing? Deactivate their IDs and lock them out? This solution might be the best option based on what their end goal is - to get everyone vaccinated.


toss77777777

Yes, they get "disenrolled", so they aren't allowed in class, in dining halls, anywhere on campus you have to swipe, etc. They have a period of time to leave their dorms etc. If someone absolutely refused to leave they might call the cops or whatever I guess.


j33

My school has given a hard deadline and if you aren't vaccinated by that time (or qualify for an exemption), your ID is deactivated and you lose access to campus. We're an urban campus you need your ID to get everywhere. Also, students (and staff and faculty) who are exempted from the vaccine will have to submit to weekly testing as per an order our governor made a couple weeks ago. This won't impact housing as we didn't let anyone who was unvaccinated move into campus housing.


DefiantRadish8

Isn’t that just removing them more slowly? Most colleges will eventually dismiss students who fail too many classes if they don’t quit first.


HappyAndProud

Is anybody familiar with this alleged Ivermectin "metastudy" that claims that 92.1% of studies on the topic show positive results? Someone told me about it yesterday, but I'm not really a doctor or anything, so I don't really know how to interpret it. I also tried to find more information about it online, but I couldn't find any fact checks on it or anything. When I tried to post the link in this thread to ask about it, it got removed.


toss77777777

The meta-study was based on a paper that has been retracted because it was found to be flawed and fraudulent. Here's the study and there are some links in the comments. https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofab358/6316214


pl487

The studies it uses are generally speaking too small and often fatally flawed due to the way they chose patients, yet they are listed as though they are meaningful. The larger, double-blind studies have shown no statistically meaningful effect.


themagicalpanda

the ivermeta website will link to the actual studies if you click on a specific one


jdorje

Essentially every study on ivermectin has been inconclusive. If you squint you can call it positive results. They squinted really hard.


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EmeraldFox88

If you are unvaccinated and you go out in public, you are putting me and my children at mortal risk, even though I'm vaccinated and we never leave the house. It's like getting drunk and driving a car into our living room, which is illegal.


NoRepresentative338

If you’re going to use this person’s tweets, you should at least cite them: https://twitter.com/zerocovid4ever/status/1436383931381784579?s=21 Unless you are that person. In which case, hello.


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possums101

I’m going to an indoor 4 day convention in NYC. Vaccine mandatory and those not eligible have to bring negative test. Mandatory mask for everyone. Should I be upgrading my masks for the event? Right now my go to is the [Cotopaxi Teca Cotton face mask](https://www.cotopaxi.com/products/teca-cotton-face-mask?variant=31872323780669). Should I go for the KN95? Does it matter?


EmeraldFox88

The best mask is one with a picture of Chris Whitty on it saying "Next slide please!"


jdorje

If everyone's vaccinated I wouldn't think masks are needed, and finding the most comfortable mask could be the best thing. But if you actually want to prevent infection of yourself you need (k)n95, not cloth or surgical masking.


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Oddrenaline

Cloth masks do very little. Even a surgical mask is an upgrade, but KN95 is the best.


Viewfromthe31stfloor

I would use a better mask if I was going to be inside for hours in a crowd. That’s just me though, I’m around vulnerable people so I’m very careful.


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nowandloud

Can I be charged for a test? The only place in town doing the rapid testing "doesn't take my insurance" and said they'd do it but I might be charged. Charged by...? MY insurance? Them? I thought this was supposed to be free? Edit: Thank you both, turns out I was assuming it was free since that vaccine is, but apparently the test is not


ventricles

Yes tests go for up to $200


EmeraldFox88

Collinson charge £99 for a PCR. Bargain! And they have great reviews: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.collinsongroup.com?stars=1


positivityrate

Vaccines are free, testing is not necessarily free.


nowandloud

Thanks!


heartwell

Yes you can be charged for a test.


nowandloud

Thank you!


Varolyn

The UK is on a downtrend of cases again.


thinpile

Yeah, maybe this is it finally. Seems like when the numbers really started coming down, there was a false sense of 'the end finally' and people just let their guard down again. Seems like that happened in Israel and the US back in the Spring. Was still plenty of lower hanging fruit for Delta. Been a raging wildfire. Perhaps this will be the last of major waves at least for wealthier countries. Kids and school is my concern. Not looking too good on that front....


Seeing_Eye

Honestly might be too early to say, but I feel that's what covid is going to look like ultimately in a highly vaxxed society. Some flareups here and there but (so far) nothing huge.


faceerase

How are we going to be able to ramp up testing enough to accommodate all of these employees that choose to test weekly instead of getting vaccinated? That's going to be millions and millions more tests a week...


toss77777777

I mean the US is currently doing about 1.5 million tests per day. Yes it's a hassle and wasteful etc. If only there were another way to protect yourself besides being tested every week...


EmeraldFox88

Landfills full of plastic crap from China. Where are the Extinction Rebellion people when you need 'em, eh? Oh yeah, forgot - they are littering the streets of London!


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Such a stupid waste of money. Just mandate the vaccine instead and move on.


Viewfromthe31stfloor

How do you get to millions and millions of tests?


faceerase

Biden said this vax mandate or weekly testing will affect 80 million workers right? Let’s just say 4% of them refuse to get vaccinated but opt for testing (which is a conservative estimate). That’s 3.2 million tests a week.


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faceerase

This is a good response, thank you!


rubyfisch

You are assuming that all of their employers will offer testing as an option. My job put in a vaccine mandate effective the day the Pfizer vaccine was approved. Even before that, we had 92% vaccination across our roughly 5,000 US employees.


faceerase

I wish they would but I don’t think you’re going to see employers doing mandates for frontline workers soon. Look at all the employers who have mandated vaccines, and with the exception of United, Disney and Tyson, it’s nearly entirely office workers. Like yeah, Walmart is doing it, but only for their office workers, not their 1.6 million store workers. This Vox article does a good job explaining some of the reasons behind it: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/8/19/22629327/employee-vaccine-mandate-walmart-uber-lyft I really wish more employers would just outright mandate it but a lot aren’t going to, at least for a while.


heartwell

We’re not because that mandate will probably never be implemented.


possums101

Jobs started mandating that at least a month ago…


heartwell

There’s a big difference between some employers mandating it and ALL employers mandating it. ETA: by all employers, I mean those all those w/ 100+ employees who would be required to under the mandates


possums101

Who said it was gonna be all employers? Nobody. It doesn’t even have to be every single employer to add up to millions of tests.


MameJenny

I’m guessing almost all large companies are going to go for vaccination only. Most of the rest will probably use the rapid tests/saliva testing model used on a lot of college campuses last year. If mega campuses with 40,000+ students can make it work, companies should have no issue.


faceerase

I just mean, will there be a shortage of tests if we have a huge increase in tests being used. Will their be supply shortages


NoForm5443

It's self correcting ... if tests are hard to get, more people will vaccinate


Viewfromthe31stfloor

I think that companies are going to push the vaccination route.


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Horny_GoatWeed

You should probably tell us where you are and where you want to go.


SnooEpiphanies3871

I did in another reply, my apologies. Daytona, FL to Outer Banks NC.


MameJenny

If you are needing a ride within 3 hours of Loveland CO, let me know.


SnooEpiphanies3871

But thank you so much for the response and not making me feel like a leper.


SnooEpiphanies3871

Need a ride from Daytona Beach, FL to Outer Banks. Have the vehicle, just not the gas to do it!


RamandaPlease

My stay home pregnant wife is unvaccinated and I am. After work should I be avoiding going to a mask mandated gym or should i feel safe?


thesillymachine

Hi. I was pregnant last year and gave birth in February. The vaccine was not available to me where I am located. I made sure to get my flu vaccine and the tdap booster. I also took precautions and stayed home a lot. If I could have gotten the vaccine, I would have, especially if I was pregnant today after the time it's been out. My friend just had a baby not even a week ago and got the Covid vaccine while pregnant. Her and baby are healthy. At the very least your wife should get a flu vaccine.


Potential_Ad8923

Your wife should get vaccinated. It is recommended by the American Academy of Ob/gyn and covid can be very dangerous in pregnant women. Your wife's doctor is giving very bad recommendations.


RamandaPlease

I was concerned about any risk to her or the babies health taking the vaccines as well as the risk of her catching Covid. With the new studies it is reassuring.


code_monkey_wrench

To the people who downvote an honest question like this: why? What is wrong with you?


Viewfromthe31stfloor

She needs to get vaccinated. Pregnant women are high risk covid patients. She may also have issues in the hospital as an unvaccinated patient.


RamandaPlease

The OB suggested she wait since she is not working and exposed. I will look more into vaccinations and pregnancy. Thank you.