It's Trump's fault
By - ThriftyAsian
Say what you want about Alec Baldwin, this seems like a terrible accident that will probably ruin the rest of his life. I dont care for his politics, but i certainly wouldnt want to be in that situation and I feel for him
He’s really not at all to blame for this. It’s really unfortunate
>He’s really not at all to blame for this
Wait a second...
***Who picked up this gun, pointed it at two people, and pulled the trigger?***
Was that in the script?
So, before I disagree with you, I'd need clarification.
Was he being a dimness and dicking around when not shooting a scene? I.e. he never should have been holding it I'm the first place?
If the answer is yes, then he's a dumbass and I don't feel bad for him. I feel bad for the people who got hurt and Mr. Balwin's family.
If it happened during a scene, then it's not on him. It's in whatever crew is responsible for the props.
Honestly, it doesn’t matter either way. Live rounds are not supposed to be on a movie set at all. Prop guns should never be loaded with live rounds and it’s the prop department’s responsibility to make sure those props are safe. He might be a douche, but that’s not relevant here. He was handed the gun by the assistant director and had no reason to believe that a live round was in the gun. If they don’t inform him otherwise, he has every reason to believe that a prop gun is loaded with blanks or not loaded with anything at all
All guns on set are referred to as ‘live’, even when they have blanks in them.
*Something something…* treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
**hears a fact** - “*something something*”
But they are intended to be aimed at people as props. So they are treated differently than non-prop firearms.
Prop just means used on a movie set, he shot someone with a real gun that was loaded
This argument makes perfect sense for real guns, but not for props. Most guns on a movie set aren’t even capable of firing anything at all. And the prop guns that are capable are supposed to only ever be loaded with blanks. The guns are literally made with the purpose to be aimed and shot at a person. You can’t treat prop guns the same way you treat a real gun or we’d never see any gunfights in any movies
If what you say is true no one would die real bullets didn't know this was a movie set
In a perfect world yes but we don’t live in a perfect world. Don’t aim a firearm at anything you are unwilling to destroy period. A simply rule people often neglect. Just because it’s a prop doesn’t mean everyone handling it shouldn’t check. An assistant director even stated the gun was cold having no idea if it actually was.
It’s not a prop if it can fire live rounds. Every gun is loaded. Why would anyone rely on anyone else if a gun is unloaded? If you cannot check for yourself you should not be handling firearms.
Prop just means used on a movie set, don't fuck with gun safety rules. Acting doesn't all of the sudden man gun safety rules don't matter.
It happened during a scene, I’m no fan of Baldwin and appreciate your consideration, but you could have easily googled it instead of writing that whole comment
>It happened during a scene
It is in the script to point the gun and fire it at those two people?
It’s sounding like it was the latter, on set armorer told him it was good. We don’t have everything out yet, but that’s what seems to be the case.
I think he is, he shot someone with a gun. It may have been an accident but he was obviously breaking gun safety rules. He didn't respect the gun. I don't care that he's an actor. Always follow the gun safety rules even blanks can kill.
Some of the more important gun safety rules are
Always treat a gun as if it's loaded
Never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy
Always know what's behind your target
He didn't follow gun safety rules, someone died. If he has to point it at someone use a fake gun. Don't fuck around with gun safety, being an actor doesn't make you special.
What? He still pointed a gun at someone. Something you should never do regardless of how sure you are that it is empty
He's a producer of the film. They had accidental discharges prior to this and several employees quit over it. They continued anyways. Baldwin was handed a gun by the AD, NOT the armorer. He did not check it himself, which is the first rule of what you should do whenever you are handed a firearm. I cannot imagine this was intentional in any way, but to say he is not at all to blame, is probably not accurate.
I don't feel for him any more than a drunk driver who kills someone. This was gross negligence. There were multiple negligent discharges on that set prior to this, along with other safety issues. He's also the producer of this film, so that stuff falls on him. And it finally came to a head when someone handed him a gun, told him it wasn't loaded, and he just took their word for it and pointed at people and pulled the trigger.
Drunk driver ≠ man accidentally killing someone on a film set.
Now, that being said, the more information coming out about this, I agree that there was serious negligence on this film set.
Negligently killing someone with your car is absolutely comparable to negligently killing someone with a gun.
Assuming a gun isn't loaded just because someone else said so, pointing it at people, and pulling the trigger does not become excusable just because it happened on a movie set.
Disagree entirely, Baldwin’s been on movie sets for 40 years and off the top of my head, has used a gun or been in gun scenes in at least five of those movies, and I’ve only seen a handful. He knows what he’s doing, and his comfort level with them on set is entirely predicated on there being *absolutely nothing to worry about*
He broke every single gun safety rule and someone died because of it. Those rules don't go out the window because you're a movie star. You don't get to shrug off the responsibility onto others no matter who you are.
I lean with his perspective a little bit less tho. There were safety concerns PRIOR to the shooting. That's a big deal to me, it's tells me they probably weren't doing their due diligence, say checking the props...
We kid, but he'll probably say something like that. I expect a CNN interview in a few months in which he'll say something like "if this can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. That's why I support banning guns, Wolf." People like him aren't good at taking responsibility.
The Guardian *already* did an article speculating that a Trump supporter may have intentionally sabotaged the prop gun out of revenge for parodying Trump.
Yep, [here's a piece on the Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/right-wingers-are-exploiting-a-womans-tragic-death-to-troll-alec-baldwin) trying to spin it to shift the onus to the "alt right."
That can't be true... Bruh I hope not
> I expect a CNN interview in a few months in which he'll say something like "if this can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. That's why I support banning guns, Wolf."
Call me a cynic, but this is the second thing I thought of right after I felt bad for the dude.
I am afraid he will use this tragedy to promote his anti civil rights agenda and paint himself as a victim.
I'm starting to think this "Trump curse" is real lol -
"Someone tragically lost their life, Better make a meme out of it!"- A complete Psychopath
The left made an entire sub dedicated to it.
It's possible to seperate goodwill you feel for the poor woman and her family and utter contempt you feel for this POS
Politico- Was Donald Trump On Set Swapping Prop Gun.
What’s the #1 rule they teach us when it comes to handling a firearm?
It’s not his fault, prop guns are intended to be used in ways that would make a normal gun unsafe
Okay, and what makes a "prop gun" different from a regular one? Doesn't seem like much if it can sling a bullet and kill someone...
“Prop” means property. Not fake. It was a real handgun. And it sounds like live rounds were used.
To the brilliant people downvoting:
1. It was a real gun
2. They used real bullets.
It's derived from the word property but it's its own word now with its own meaning. That meaning being a portable object, other than furniture or costumes, used on the set of a play or movie.
Assume it's unloaded and skirt responsibility!
Wait, that's not it.
aim at people and fire while trying to be funny, is definitely not the correct answer.
If thats what he did then he's an idiot
When you’re not using it, keep the safety on.
The two most memorable that I heard when forst going to a range was keep my finger off the trigger until I intend to fire and don't point it at anything I don't want to put a hole in.
The gun is always loaded.
Can we not? This is a very tragic thing that happened and these memes are in poor taste.
Be better than this. Sure he's an asshole and sure he's said stupid things about guns but, he killed someone on accident. I wish the men I knew that killed people in war never had to take a life. I wish an accidental murder on no one. Cmon people.
He killed people with reckless bahvior. He was goofing around and intentionally pointed at them and pulled the trigger. He should have known better than to behave so recklessly with guns. Cmon.
Did... Did you just make up he was recklessly goofing around lmao? Because actual sources including the director he shot and lived said it happened during a Scene. Tell me you're not really this delusional. This is why people hate conservatives.
I'm not going to argue. It's terrible and I don't think we should be celebrating someone's death.
This meme doesn’t make any sense. Say what you will about his politics, but this accident has nothing to do with that. And he (not anyone else) never tried to say this had anything to do with Trump. That’s just absurd
Of course you dumbasses have to turn a tragedy into a selfish dick sucking show. Soulless.
Fucking abysmal, I'm sorry for all of you.
>Of course you dumbasses have to turn a tragedy into a selfish dick sucking show.
Something tells me you never had the same courage to post the same over on r/politics when they took advantage of tragedy for political points....
That’s because they’re oblivious degenerates. Are we also?
Who is "we"?
Are you a degenerate?
Uh, what’s the name of the sub we’re on? Context clues, my man
I love the values of the conservative ideology, but the current conservative movement is depressing and I’m ashamed that my family and friends will associate me with these horrible people. After spending decades telling liberals we’re not the hateful assholes they see us as, we’re apparently not even trying to hide it anymore.
Conservatism would literally be better off without you.
Yeah, obviously things are going your way. All you need is one less vote on your side.
Continue alienating your allies and see how much it benefits you 👍
Do you also say that to the Herman Cain Award subscribers?
Alec Baldwin has a long history of violence and bad behavior dating back to at least 1995. He has reportedly been arrested twice for assault, cited for disorderly conduct, and thrown off a commercial airliner for aggressive behavior.
I hope the police take a long rigorous look at Baldwin's relationships with his shooting victims. Personally, I do not assume this was an accident, as the liberal media is trying to spin it. Let's see what the cops have to say after a thorough investigation.
He was one of my favorite actors on screen...
(Just check out Miami Blues 1990, Glengarry Glen Ross 1992, The Getaway 1994)
...but I hate it when he opens his mouth about politics. He's so misguided and hateful.
However, I feel sorry for him in this incident. Somebody gave him a loaded/badly maintained gun and caused this tragedy. He'll have it on his conscience for the rest of his life and you wouldn't wish that on anybody, no matter what their political leanings.
> He was one of my favorite actors on screen
Have you ever played the game World in Conflict that came out in like 2008? He narrates it and it's really good! It's about the Soviet Union invading the US in 1989. I had the collector's edition which came with some extra behind the scenes footage of him where he was talking about growing up during the Cold War and the whole mentality of politics at that time. It was really weird listening to him explain geo politics in such a rational and agreeable way. I was like "How can you see things so clearly in regards to this and be so blind about everything else?"
It just kinda funny, he must have hated his role as Jack from 30 rock where was essentially an old school Conservative/Republican. Hell at least in those times, you could bash on Republicans and Democrats and it was fine. Both sides got to laugh at each other and still make something happen. Now? They wish for your death if you don't believe in their ideals.
From what I heard no one gave it to him.. he just picked up the prop and started playing with it, hope the truth is revealed
The New York Post is reporting that there was a live round in the gun.
Also, they quote Baldwin as saying, immediately after the discharge: "Why was I handed a hot gun? In all my years, I've never been handed a hot gun."
Is that a real quote? Holy fuck do you have a link handy?
E: may have found it first: https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-is-devastated-over-fatal-film-shooting/
> “In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” the actor allegedly kept saying.
Not a valid excuse.
>Not a valid excuse.
What do you mean?? They don't use live rounds in movies.
Actors are supposed to be able to point guns at each other in a movie. In real life you would never do that.
Often, during filming, the director will stand directly behind the cameraman so he can see what the camera sees. I'd say that's what happened in this situation.
Or you think Baldwin went mental and started shooting everyone? :D
>I'd say that's what happened in this situation.
Is that you guessing or is that what is recorded as happening?
If you are guessing, why on earth would you guess???
I'm guessing because the reports seem to indicate one gunshot that injured two people and because usually the director is behind the cameraman (cinematographer) during filming.
The bottom line is that he pointed a lethal weapon at someone and pulled the trigger.
From what I've been hearing, responsible filming practice is to point it near and use camera angles to hide the fact that they're not aiming right at each other. While not entirely safe, it's still bounds ahead of pointing guns right at each other.
With or without that precaution, once the firearm is in your possession, you are responsible for it. This includes what's actually loaded. I'm not saying he is the only negligent person necessary for this to happen, but the fact that two people died is his fault.
Also, I feel the need to point out that actors exist and operate in real life and still carry the same responsibilities. I wouldn't take the time to argue about it if a fictional actor had shot and killed a fictional cameraman.
Alright, well next time Hollywood is making a movie involving guns, I'll tell them you're available for the lead.
In practice, actors don't get hired for their expertise with guns. That is why the movie set hires a specific expert "armourer" whose sole responsibility is to make sure that all handling of guns on set is done safely. It's their responsibility. They do not trust actors to handle guns safely on their own. You may want it to be different but that's not the way it is done on any movie set for the past 100 years.
Assume every gun is loaded and double check a gun that's handed to you. I wish there was an official number for ND from people using "unloaded" guns.
Well it was being actively filmed, so there’s literally a video of it that they’ve already seen. And the director lived and is already out of the hospital and able to bear witness. So your opinion on his general assholishness couldn’t mean less.
Baldwin is a stone cold killer.
These Baldwin memes are awful taste. No matter what you think of his politics, he was just involved in a terrible tragedy that will affect many people
Yeah. Alec Baldwin has never used a bad situation to pander his point 🤣
That doesn't mean we should
Lol buuuuuuuuuuuuuut… I’m gonna
So you’re just like him. Congrats
If it impacts him a negative way, I’m good with the memes. Yes it was tragic. That he happened to be the one who pulled the trigger is just a bonus.
Involved, yes, but I have somewhat less sympathy for the person pulling the trigger than the person taking the bullet.
The impact isn't the same.
Normally you'd be right, but Alec Baldwin is particularly unsympathetic.
What the fuck has happened to this sub, remember when RBG died and there was some class here mourning her death even though we disagreed with her on ever single policy issue of her career? Now a little over a year later we're making memes that channel nothing but smugness because a tragedy gives us a momentary political punching bag that isn't even accurate, because no one is saying this?
Did the media say anything relating this to Trump
There is a rumor floating around that he wasn't filming at the time, but that he was ranting about trump when he fired the gun.
I consume a wide variety of news, with a strong preference for left leaning material. Nada one is mentioning trump in this tragedy, and the fact that he’s being mentioned here is weird and sad.
Maybe Baldwin can do an SNL skit to re-enact.
ABC. Always Be Careful.
ALWAYS. Be. Careful.
He does not get coffee.
Alec Baldwin has now killed more people than all the January 6th protesters combined
That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.
That's so wrong, yet believable.
Did he seriously blame Trump on himself accidentally killing a man?
Hope he's charged with manslaughter
Let the SNL jokes pour in. Except Trump roasts Baldwin.
This continues to be the most pathetic little corner of the internet. I remember when Rush Limbaugh died, you had conservatives popping up on threads all over requesting civility and calling the left classless for celebrating his death. Yet here we are, because this man portrayed their dear leader in an unflattering light on SNL, post after post celebrating this tragedy like he’s deserving of it. Just continued hypocrisy from the right. It’s like breathing for them.
Looks like r/news on this sub today with the tasteless “memes” on here. Mods should take them down. Such a bad look for us…
Baldwin deserves mockery, on top of manslaughter charges.
He was instructed to fire the gun at the camera. Not his fault the the prop master didn’t do their job….
No, he wasn't. He was drawing the gun from a holster repeatedly in preparation for the upcoming shot. He caught the trigger on one of the draws.
Furthermore, "they told me the gun wasn't loaded" is not a valid excuse just because you're on a movie set. You verify that for yourself before you start fucking around with it.
Finally, there were other negligent discharges on the set prior to this, along with other safety concerns. A bunch of the crew walked out on the movie that very morning. The guy who was handling the guns was a non-union replacement who apparently had no experience doing this. Baldwin is also the producer of this movie, which means all this shit also lands on him.
He ran a fly-by-night clusterfuck of a set, and personally broke every gun safety rule, and someone is dead because of it. Stop simping for him.
My first thought is that he will blame the gun and gun ownership and declare himself a victim of gun violence....but I hope he takes the high road and admits he is responsible.
Imagine someone live in your head for every single matters.
Fake news! He shot 2 people!