SCOTUS rejects TX lawsuit
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Hearing theories about how Trump can still win the election after this is going to be like hearing theories about how the Detroit Lions can still win the Super Bowl this year.
It's sad really. Makes me think of how all the Bernouts were still talking about how Bernie could still win up until Trumps inauguration.
This has been over from the beginning. I'm not sure why everyone actually believed this was going to make it and overturn the election. The burden was just too vast
Wherever your loyalties lay, whoever you voted for, this decision is a win for our country and a win for conservatism.
The absolute **last** thing we need is the will of the people being thrown out by the system. We can dislike the result, but we **must** maintain and adhere to the process.
We wouldn’t want our votes to be thrown out. No sense in asking that for someone else.
Could someone briefly explain to me the "states cannot sue other states" thing people are claiming gave this lawsuit practically no legal standing?
I'm interested in the law over politics.
Federalist notion sought to keep checks and balances a cornerstone of US democracy, incl. Congress ensuring upon Founding to put equal restrictions on the fed courts (as with the Executive w/ veto/appropriations, etc). Unser Article III of the Constitution, 3 elements must be satisfied to sue ANYONE in fed court: 1. Injury in fact (actual or imminent & concrete and particularized); 2. Causation (nexus point); and 3. Redressability by a favorable court decision. Usually plaintiffs can satisfy the 2nd and 3rd elements fine. Generally its the 1st element that will most likely to fail.
Here, TX failed to state with cause that actions of other states internal legislative decisions on voting guidelines due to COVID restrictions actually/concretely injured/disenfranchised TX's own voting rights.
In other words, TX cannot possibly state with proof that other states' decisions on voting per covid protocols actually resulted in TX's inability to account for its own citizens' voices.
This is actually very well explained. Nice job.
Excellent explanation. Well done, counselor.
A state can only sue another state if the plaintiff has incurred direct damages. Like, if a state pollutes a river that flows into a different state, the downstream state can sue.
Generally, states don't have the standing to sue other states on their laws unless those laws directly and materially affect the plaintiff.
Okay, that makes sense. Why do you think, with how popular this case got with other states and congressmen jumping on, that no one realized this?
They realized it, but they calculated that it'd get them a lot of votes with Trump voters mad about the election if they tried anyway. This was a political stunt to win votes. Most things politicians do can be boiled down to that
Because John Marshall said this:
> it is entirely unimportant, what may be the subject of controversy. Be it what it may, these parties have a constitutional right to come into the Courts of the Union.
The court can refuse to accept it obviously.
If anyone expected otherwise you were fooling yourself.
Exactly. It’s better if we all just move on.
At the end of the day, we are all Americans and should wish the best for our country.
Like most conservatives, we'll continue to do what we always do - hope for the best, plan for the worst. I really hope that Biden can move our country towards being more united with both his words and actions.
Out of curiosity is your flair ironic or are you an actual russian conservative?
Sadly a lot of MAGAworld prefers to throw Trumpertantrums rather than accept the results like an adult. In 2008 the Democrats were saying that they would never lose another election, and then 2010, 2014 and 2016 happened. There is a bright future ahead.
Thank you! I cannot understand why anyone thought this was a good idea, ESPECIALLY conservatives!
If the suit had been successful states’ rights as we know them would have been over. I thought I was going out of my mind.
The ends cannot justify means such as this. Completely not worth it.
Because a lot of "conservatives" aren't conservative anymore. Conservative used to mean small government, personal liberty and responsibility, free market capitalism, limited executive powers and.....STATE'S FUCKING RIGHTS.
Now there's an absolute flood of...something else. But it is NOT conservatism. And the GOP has been complicit at best, negligent at worst, in eroding conservatism.
This is exactly right. Most Republicans are just a different flavor of Authoritarianism now. The only group I see that falls under what you described now is Libertarians.
I can't believe how many "Conservatives" decided this suit was okay because "Trump told me so." This was an egregious assault on states rights.
>What terrifies me is how many seem to be ready to just sacrifice the party for Trump.
Including 106 GOP representatives. Everyone of them should be embarrassed that they were so afraid of going against a lame duck president that they were willing to put their name on this.
Throw the whole gop party away. Purdue voted for the bill that trump has been saying he will veto. That’s the thanks he gets for campaigning for them in GA? Screw them
Purdue is a senator, so not one of the 106 Representatives from the House. I’m not sure what bill you’re referring to. In general, I have no problem with senators disagreeing with the president on specific legislation. Right now, Purdue needs to consider how his votes will affect his chances at reelection, not what Trump thinks.
The party already sacrificed the people to appease the military industrial complex and big businesses. People are just finally standing up the same old bs from politicians that claim to be for the people but are no better than those on the other side.
Just remember that millions of dollars were donated for “legal fees” to a self proclaimed billionaire for this..
Once conned, twice shy.
You would think people would learn from Trump's history. I 100% reckon if he isnt in jail, people will be opening their wallets up for him to take in 2024. And even if in jail, some constituents just arent smart y'know.
Hardly surprising. There's no provision in the constitution for Texas to sue Pennsylvania over a matter of Pennsylvania state law. To allow that would destroy the entire foundation of federalism and state sovereignty.
SCOTUS agreed 9-0 that the case had no merit and 7-2 that states can't challenge the laws of other states at all in the first place.
That's pretty clear-cut on the "no" front.
Hearing this case Would have cracked a door we would never have shut ever again. States would have been suing other states over COVID response, over gun laws etc...
States already tried suing each other over weed legalization.
TX would have a fit if CA or New Nevada tried to sue them
It's a justiciability question. TX has no Article III Standing (no injury in fact) to sue other states' internal matters.
Wait until anti gun states sue gun friendly states
>There's no provision in the constitution for Texas to sue Pennsylvania over a matter of Pennsylvania state law.
Thank you. I am tired of getting downvoted and harassed by my fellow "conservatives" for bringing this up
I got rebuffed by so many people here because of this. So I was like "fine, I'll just wait for this thread".
Oh I’m all about the states rights. A nice precedent has indeed been re-affirmed.
Well that’s that then
194 upvotes in 9 min? It’s as if dems are giving us internet karma for saying Joe Biden is President elect.
That’s exactly what it is. Lmao
Some Trump supporters will just come up with a new theory of how he will somehow emerge victorious.
So this is how Trump can still win...
Click to begin slideshow
*must donate $50 to continue
Lmaoo for real though
"....And in conclusion, that is how the Detroit Lions will win Super Bowl LV."
Trump has a better chance of being elected as the God-Emperor of Mankind than the Lolions not being incompetent.
... If Bernie splits the EC vote, then etc etc.
Yeah it’s getting annoying tbh.
I'm still hoping on them both getting DQ'd giving Jorgensen the win.
“Here’s how Bernie can still win”
You read my mind
Yep, finally off this wild ride. It was an entertaining 4 years, the memes have been incredible.
Agreed, well played dems. Let’s hope joe does the best job possible for the next couple of years. Meanwhile - back to work
Yep, I’m skeptical as hell but like Dave Chappelle said in his monologue after Trump’s win in 2016: “I wish him luck and I’m willing to give him a chance.”
Wait, we aren’t gonna riot and burn our neighbors’ businesses?
No, I have work in the morning. Too much shit to do etc.
Did you see the Biden memes from the Obama years? The best is yet to come
Yeah we had some good times. Let’s focus on the wins we made in the house and at the state level. 73 million Americans voted for our ideals, we may have lost this battle but the fight still goes on.
We need some vision people. We need some young candidates.
We need to get a vision and a message, stick to it, and let people know we are the party of the people that will make America great. Most of all we need message discipline and smart answers to every question. Every day and every person. Any attack by the left should be immediately answered in all the media across the board with an intelligent response by a member of a media strike force who is trained to deal with media butt heads.
And yes, we need to welcome all Americans into the party and end all connections with far right extremism. Create a party all Americans would be proud to be a part of.
>We need some vision people. We need some young candidates.
Unfortunately it isn't going to happen. Trump will either run in 2024 or hand select someone and ensure all others are obliterated at a personal level with nonstop attacks and lies on them and their families.
Yup, think I'm going to have to step away for a few years. It's exhausting and obvious I have zero control of what is happening.
Yep! Now we can move on and see what’s next in store. This was all a headache. I’m glad that a lot of people got to see how much the media was involved in creating the narrative though
Not a surprise to anybody in the legal field, they didn’t have standing.
Y’all can be pissed off, I get it, but he isn’t wrong. There is no provision that would give Texas or any other state standing on this. It was always a long shot. The most likely case to be taken up was the PA one, and that wasn’t even given a writ.
I suppose it was, in the end, possible to mess with Texas.
Bubba's gonna be pissed!
Do not remember the Alamo!
This was never about accomplishing anything to begin with. Anyone who has the slightest clue about the laws involved knew that this suit had no teeth.
This is all about the individuals involved to demonstrate their pro-trumpness to increase their prospects for future elections. Noone expected this to go anywhere.
Yes it was significant that it was the Texas AG who brought the case, not the solicitor general (whose literal job it is to represent the state to SCOTUS). The SG’s silence on the whole thing was fairly deafening.
That's a good point, I never looked at it from that angle.
Look at this sub. Most here are seemingly in some fever dream.
How long until the "Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were part of the deep state all along" folks start piping in?
Trump: Fighting the Deep State by appointing Deep State operatives to lifetime positions they have almost no chance of ever being removed from.
Like, even if we were to grant that the Deep State is a real thing and all those people Trump has appointed are really Deep State operatives, the only conclusion you can make from all this is that he's *really bad* at fighting the Deep State.
It'll either be that or the martial law mental masturbation. Trump's gonna send the Army to do new elections that'll be totally fair and he'll win this time!!!!!
Well, they were nominated by a rich New York celebrity, so there’s that.
I’m already seeing it on Parler....SMH
Just curious, does Goldwater conservative mean you are pro-choice?
I believe that government should stay out of ALL personal matters and choice.
Wouldn’t that make you more libertarian? Obviously you know more about your political beliefs than I do, so you know what you are more aligned towards.
Goldwater’s beliefs definitely have libertarian leanings.
Read *The Conscience of a Conservative* for at least a cursory idea of Goldwater's policy ideas.
They're deep state liberals appointed just to overthrow Trump and the constitution.
already happening on TDwin [https://i.imgur.com/F6wBuuA.png](https://i.imgur.com/F6wBuuA.png)
man this whole thing has fucked the GOP big time. i’m not confident at all in winning the senate runoffs. and i’m not too confident in the state of future elections and republican nominees.
Tbh, I'm not confident on our future elections in general.
Because every GOP platform stance is from the 60s-80s. GOP needs to modernize their stances if they intend to win elections
It's not though. The only thing the GOP has left from that era is the pro life, pro 2nd amendment... idk... we pretend to still have that financial policy I guess?
No one cares about gay marriage any more, No one cares about weed anymore...
The only “care” anyone has about gay marriage is still the possibility that churches could be sued for not allowing these ceremonies in their churches. That is still legitimate. As far as weed goes, most people want it legalized. There’s too much evidence supporting medicinal use, and the fact that cocaine is a lower scheduled drug is laughable. Most people are sick of our prisons being full of people who were arrested for marijuana. Get it off the black market, have some regulations over product and age restrictions for rec use.
Modernize their stances 😂. Do you even know what Conservative means?
It’s possible to be both conservative and modern.
Why would Trump supporters want to make their political situation even worse and open the door to the massive structural changes championed by the Democrats by not voting GOP in the runoffs?
That seems like cutting off ones nose to spite their face.
It’s bad now but not voting in the runoff’s can make the situation exponentially worse for conservatives of every stripe.
Why would the people want to vote in the same crony republicans that have done nothing for the people? Trump was the populist candidate that was making efforts to end the forever wars and the other shit career politicans have done. The crony GOPs are no better than the Dems in that matter. Fucking voting for them just because they have an R next to their name. That is what got us into this mess with the dems.
Eh we said the same thing about the Dems in 2016. Over all I think Trump hurt Republicans. But I think we'll be just fine.
He got the most minority support for any Republican since 1960. He got more votes as an incumbent than when he first ran (which is incredibly rare), and we had a great charge where we gained seats in the house and at the state level. Trump gave the GOP a restructuring.
If this election was anyone but Trump it probably would’ve been a landslide victory.
Fortunately, the Democrats’ main source of voter fervor is gone and they have a void of support of fill over the next 4 years.
I see what you’re saying. But we have an energized base and most people voted for Biden because he wasn’t Trump.
They may hold power at the presidency, but the GOP had a pretty significant victory as well.
>But we have an energized base
not anymore dude. im fucking done with republicans if this is the shit they wanna pull. a ton of conservatives feel the same way. the party is effectively dead
Absolutely true. Trump resurrected the republican party, and just like the Falcons did in the Superbowl, they fumbled away their chance to win. What a shame.
I don’t think Trump has hurt the Republican Party. I think Trump opened the eyes of many people on the right to just how bad democrats and republicans are in politics. The swamp may not have been really drained but there is now a huge group who wants people D&R alike to be outed from positions of power in the government. If we keep the momentum going we can get corrupt politicians out of government, eventually.
Furthermore Conservatives now more than ever need to really push to **conserve** things such as the constitution. Every single debate amongst republicans needs to focus on things such as the 1st and 2nd amendment. The right needs to be on the offensive when it comes to gun laws instead of always being on the defensive when the left pushes gun laws and then finally breaking down and compromising. Any and every sort of “hate speech” policy suggested by the left should be immediately shut down by the right, to preserve the 1st amendment. Old republicans in office need to leave and new ones need to agree on term limits. Republicans need to become more libertarian, weed is a pretty big topic now, I hate to suggest doing things for votes but the right in general should be ok with making weed legal, it will get us votes and God knows we need votes when every major media/ social media corporation is left leaning and in charge of what the general population sees.
Sorry to rant, I got way off subject lol. I’d honestly love to run for office because I feel so strongly about this stuff, including corruption no matter what party. If I actually ran I’d run on the constitution and honesty/integrity and would vow to never become corrupt.
Edit: anyone who disagrees with me you can PM me if they have an argument, it kinda sucks everyone is getting deleted since they aren’t Flaired
No the dems will win the senate runoffs because of its one thing the GOP can never stay focused on long enough is the long game.
Makes sense. Allowing this would have gone directly against the 10th amendment.
Hearing this case would have cracked a door we would never have shot ever again. States would have been suing other states over COVID response, over gun laws etc...
Looks like the mods are gonna be working overtime tonight.
never thought i’d see someone put **mods** and **working** in the same sentence without putting **barely** in between
They do it for free. Be greatful that someone donates their time to keep this sub functional.
Shocking that this totally frivolous lawsuit failed. Absolutely shameful for everyone that supported this clown car car crash.
So what are we planning to cling onto next? Kraken 2?
The “conservatives” in this sub need to do some reflection.
I am more afraid of what some fringe die hard people are going to do when all legal avenues have been exhausted.
This was a surprise to no one...
Well, at least we can stop humoring those conservatives who seemed to be blind to the reality that any chance was exceedingly slim.
I think moving forward it’s more concerning about how many people where backing this. And how far this divide is. Biden can’t fix this.
Thats that then.
Time for Trump to concede and focus on Georgia. But I doubt that will happen. He can never see past his own self interests.
Trump will never concede. Even if he leaves office he'll say "I still don't concede, but I'm leaving out of respect for the process" or some shit like that.
Time for Trump to declassify everything from 2015-2020 and tell us whether or not there are aliens 👽. But in all seriousness, it's exhausting and feels pointless about now so I'm choosing to duck away for a while, cross my fingers, and hope for the best.
What’s next or it’s GG? from someone who’s not bias .
I think GG.
GG no RE do not pass go do not collect $200
Lawyers have been doing this shit forever, and it needs to stop. By that I mean getting on TV and straight up lying to the camera, because, well, it's not a crime to do so. I get you're hired to do a job, specifically to represent your client and his/her interests. However, I do not think it is should be legal to fabricate elements of judicial proceedings, publicly.
It was probably a misplay to have someone who hasn't practiced law in 30 years spearhead this one.
He had no clue about some of the controlling jurisprudence since he left practice, like *Twombly,* for example! He just had no idea.
Have you seen how much Trump's defense fund is racking in? As long as the money flows, this circus will continue lmao.
Ya know, I was a tad skeptical at the start but I was waiting for evidence substantial enough to overturn things. Since it’s clear that is not going to happen, we should go hard at winning the runoff in Georgia. Sadly, I think this last couple of days has ruined that.
Hopefully that’s the end of this nonsense
Republicans need to wash their hands of Trump now and move on. He's done.
man this is deflating. between this and the trump legal team we really are getting smacked in the courts.
The curtain has been pulled back and the Wizard is naked. There was never even a choice.
Good! Would have set a terrible precedent.
Hopefully, now Republicans can slowly make our way back to our senses and remember that we're a party that values state sovereignty.
The republican party platform pre-Trump is dead. I'm sorry you're too blind to see that. No one has the appetite for more war-hawks and less populism
I'd be quite content with a Republican Party that stays away from the identify politics of the left and the class warfare of populism. It divides people.
Lol who actually thought this was going to work. He lost its over time to get a better candidate for 2024.
If he runs again in 2024 I don't think it will end well for the GOP.
Finally. Give up. Trump lost. We all know.
Saw a solid 10 [removed] in a row. Good luck tonight mods
I hope he declassifies the JFK and 9/11 documents on his way out. Odds are it’s a bunch of stuff we already knew but it be nice to have it confirmed.
Declassify everything, China already knows it all anyway
So dumb. I’ve been saying this for a while. Trump LOST. Move on with your lives. Onto the next agenda, like challenging Biden’s planned executive actions against gun part importations or Georgia senate runoffs.
This shit though? It’s a done, fucking deal.
Time to move on guys. It’s been one helluva ride. Now, I might not agree with Joe Biden’s politics but he IS my president and just like I did with Trump, I’ll respect the seat but criticize him every step of the way till he’s out.
Time to be grown-ups and move on. Show them how adults act when things don’t go our way.
It's incredibly optimistic to think that this is what's going to happen.
Good, it would have set a dangerous precedent
“Over, it is” - Yoda or something I dunno
I have to hand it to the brigaders they are committed. And I would be lying if I didn't say I'm laughing with them a bit. Winning is fun. Enjoy guys.
Well it's over then, time to move on
[Yo r/politics can I get some awards?](https://imgur.com/gallery/BbDli18)
Surly having seen his own appointees reject this case, the president will finally do the right thing accept the results of the election and unify the country and welcome Biden to the presidency. I mean we can hope right?
/r conservative is a fucking joke
I mean is anyone surprised? There is no widespread fraud. That's the beauty of having each state establish their own voting laws.
Fingers crossed Trump concedes in the morning following this news.
Quit dragging this out and congratulate the damn man. Good luck these next 4 years, Joe. We all hope you stand up to the progressives trying to take over your party.
Hopefully everyone keeps their cool on this. There's been some chatter about secession or another civil war, and it would be a shame for us to go that far.
Imagine giving money to Reddit to “own” conservatives
Can the Green Party still ask for a recount?
I’m in time for the awards this time!
A lot of CCP influence thrown in.
Well... guess it’s time to hand in our guns and paint our hair purple for the new president.
What guns? My guns disappeared a long time ago. Woke up one morning and they were just gone... idk
I lost all mine in a boating accident. Forgot what lake I was on too.
Ive never seen a gun in my life