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Omordie

Clemson fans having an identity crisis over Brownell this season


stormstopper

Brownell has mastered the art of doing just enough to keep his job every year, and I think we should all be inspired by his example.


_mcdougle

It's not even *every* year. He does poorly for several years, until the AD threatens to fire him, and then he pulls an exceptional year out of his ass where we go undefeated in the ACC or make a sweet 16 or beat UNC at their place for the first time ever. Then he gets a 10 year extension and coasts on it until they threaten to fire him again.


TheWorstYear

Kirk Ferentz of basketball


[deleted]

Spot on example.


ScrofessorLongHair

Does Brownell have an incompetent, racist son on his staff that he refuses to fire?


FailResorts

The old Gus Malzahn special


MarkTurgeonsAgent

Bahgawd he should be my client


AL3XD

Brownell is quiet quitting


PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS

Fucking millennials


pm_me_cute_sloths_

The Bruce Weber special


PinkSaldo

Mark Turgeon ass


FailResorts

hecantkeepgettingawaywithit.gif


ninetimesoutaten

My goal was to see Clemson reach the NCAA tournament every 3-4 years. Since 2017, Brownell has delivered on this. For the first 7-8 years of his tenure, it was a constant disappointment. Clemson is not going to be a basketball powerhouse, but I'd like to have years like this. I think we can succeed by having more senior teams every couple of years.


HILLIAM_SWINNEY

That’s pretty conservative imo. We made the tourney 10 times from 1980-2010. We have our limitations as a program, but our goal should be higher than program average


ninetimesoutaten

I'd love to see better. Got to Clemson in 2011 and saw a nice long basketball drought. Thats where my frame of reference is from. I would love to see a Clemson team that made the tournament ever 2 years and have a couple of 2017/18 seasons where they get pretty far


HILLIAM_SWINNEY

Yeah that was a brutal period. I was a kid during the Purnell era, which was great by our standards. It’s been 15 years but I remember back when Littlejohn was considered one of the hardest places to play in the country. I really think we have the potential to be a consistent contender, and money isn’t an issue. Side note: your flairs are the only 2 schools I applied to!


pierretong

The OPP era was great but we would always get blown out in the first round of the tournament. I showed up in 2009 and remember how crazy Littlejohn was for the Clemson-Duke College Gameday game that year (that we got blown out in)


iHasMagyk

It’s the Brownell cycle. Do shit for four years and get to the sweet 16 when you need an extension


qngff

I’m all in on our guys. Fluke or not if we can have a deep tournament run like 2018 I’ll be very happy. This team is on fire right now and is playing with a lot of heart


remfan477

The new Bruce Weber lol


SCClemson

Filipowski is a fucking giant when you’re court level with him.


mF-Jonezy

Attention! On Monday we will have an AP poll that does not include UNC, Duke or Kentucky. This is not a drill.


0010001

First AP poll ever where Scheyer’s team isn’t ranked.


KnowledgeGod

They didn’t deserve to be ranked after the spanking @ NC State lol.. Duke bias


My_Not_RL_Acct

Yeah I’ll have to agree with that


CallMeVe

Dunno, Kentucky beat Tennessee, that alone will probably make them top 15 /s


SpamTheAutograder

Does State have a shot at a ranking?


mF-Jonezy

It’s possible, a lot of lower ranked teams lost this week. We had a nice win but only played once this week so we’ll see


MarkTurgeonsAgent

If there is anytime for NC State to make a resurgence into the national stage it’s now or never


guydudeguybro

We received votes, beat a ranked team, and quite a few teams between 15-25 lost. So I don’t see why not other than our “good wins” keep getting worse


jtd5771

But the Wolfpack only beat teams that lost to NC State. (All my friends in Raleigh are self loathing State fans)


willncsu34

Diet Carolina here gets it.


bigthama

>Diet Carolina my sides


cfbguy

Woah woah woah…it’s Zima Carolina


DrBDDS

No, they’re very upscale: White Claw Carolina


Retskcaj19

All State fans are self-loathing, it's part of what makes you a State fan to begin with.


SpamTheAutograder

It’s probably SOS; a lot of our losses are against still-good teams, and so it hurts to lose because we could be much better in terms of ranking if not for a few possessions.


jetjordan

Yeah in hindsight our schedual to start the year...yikes.


jaylenthomas

I hope so


Cameter44

Four votes to ranked seems like a big jump, but maybe, they'll be close if they're not...


IHadSomething_4This

All I know is my gut says "maybe"


BloodyFlandre

Duke fans going to be digging in their closets looking for their NC State hats.


goonSquad15

I feel attacked


StreetReporter

Nah, they’ll just reuse the Bama hats they have for football season


newaccount721

That's for sure. Deservedly so, too


surgeon_michael

I mean we beat a top 5 team on the road


mF-Jonezy

You also lost at home to South Carolina, who just lost its 2nd home game in a row by over 40 points


surgeon_michael

Oh for sure we have no business being ranked. I was just trolling .


epicxownage

A little bit of light trolling from the blue bloods


AnyHuckleberry8

And probably no Clemson either. Losing to USC means, as the announcer said, that they would never be ranked.


LordRedbeard420

Rank us you cowards


Teh_cliff

How did y'all lose to South Carolina? For those not aware, Carolina currently down 74-31 to A&M. No, that is not a typo


StreetReporter

Second game of the year, played awful, PJ was still injured, and they made an amazing game winning shot


MinimalMoxie

It happens…


Positive_Increase

Hero shot.


Bigpoppapat

Again, how did we lose to UofSC and get blown out by Loyola? Amazing job by this team so far in conference play


theTIDEisRISING

The Brownell special


Bigpoppapat

You're not wrong, fully expect us to finish right around .500 in conference, lose in the 2nd round of the ACCT to Louisville, and then bubble bust.our way to the NIT as a 2 seed to lose to Tulsa in the first round


EarlyThursdayEsso

We’ve seen that movie a few times lol


Flair-Up

Hall was great but Schieffelin was the most physical and annoying player on the court tonight and it helped so much. He’s developed so much already compared to last year.


Positive_Increase

The announced called his reverse pivot move something. What was that?


Primary_Psychology95

Imagine telling someone that only one team out of Charleston, UNC, Duke, and Kentucky would be ranked this late into the season


SpamTheAutograder

That win against COfC keeps looking better 😤😤😤


greedo_didnt_shoot

We keep managing to make our losses / close wins look quality bc the teams keep turning out good. Charleston, Alabama, Iowa state…


the-real-macs

We don't talk about VT.


SpamTheAutograder

Who?


WILSON_CK

Bacot is our team. Therefore our team has not played VaTech.


B-More_Orange

I really can’t believe we won with Hunter/Tyson combining for 12 points. I’m starting to think we may actually be pretty good.


goonSquad15

A win v Duke isn’t what it used to be


pHyR3

damn inflation reducing the value of everything...


hcforever

By god thought it was with the court storm


Designer_B

This is the most duke comment ever.


paxrom2

They’re meeting at the paw. /s


Bart1009

Atmosphere in Littlejohn was electric. Tigers making some noise. PJ Hall had a career game!!!


StreetReporter

That was one of the best atmospheres for a game I went to. This is including football


B-More_Orange

2009 Littlejohn was a top venue in all of college basketball. The potential is there


Striking-Duty-4528

Beating #4 Duke 74-47 was pretty cool


B-More_Orange

Stood on the floor for that one after camping for like five or six days. So epic.


filthyHANDSoffMYrock

I was on the front row near midcourt. Gave Greg Paulus an earful every single time he was at the scorer’s table. My buddy did the same with Singler. Easily a top 5 Littlejohn memory for me.


StreetReporter

I went to a few games in 2008-09, but I was five then, so I don’t remember it that well


AdmiralRofl

This makes me feel old! Do me a favor If you’re still at Clemson now - go to more basketball games! I attended in the golden age of football but I really ended up missing out on basketball.


StreetReporter

I attend every home basketball game as it is


0010001

Missed opportunity. Twice built an 8-point lead on the road but couldn’t hold on. Good job by Clemson, all credit to them. Duke definitely playing better than a week ago, but this isn’t horseshoes or hand grenades. Have to stew on this for a week before we enter an even tougher stretch of the schedule.


tshimangabiakabutuka

Maybe they’ll rank us now?


ninetimesoutaten

We could be first in the ACC with 2 ranked, 2 loss ACC teams behind us - incredible.


PortablePug

Clemson fans, I'm sorry, but I think you guys are a tournament team this year. I know it's hard to hear but they're probably typing up an extension for Brownell right now.


gctaylor

He can't keep getting away with this


OGraffe

THIS WEEK IS THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING. MERRY LATE CHRISTMAS EVERYONE


VCURedskins

As I have always said I love Brownell as coach and he deserved to stay at Clemson while making the tournament 3/10 times.


franklin_delanobluth

3/12, actually


Our-Gardian-Angel

Brownell isn't perfect, but it's been obvious that the vitriol toward him has never been about results. Clemson fans simply can't handle having someone that hot as their head coach.


qngff

The combo of him and assistant Dick Bender is just too much 🥵


RipRaycom

Every time I remember that we have an assistant coach named Dick Bender is the funniest moment of my day


Based_McTuddies

RANK 👏 CLEMSON 👏 YOU 👏 COWARDS!


cjackc11

Ranked Clemson means Brownell extension


McElhaney

We have accepted our fate


AndrewTheTerrible

We 100% should have fired brownell several years ago. ...but 7-0 is pretty fun


viewless25

woohoo


Tiboltd

With 5:30 left to play, Lively subbed in. For the next ~3 minutes Clemson only scored 2 more points. Then Lively was subbed out for Young (??????), and Duke gave up 5 quick points while still failing to score because we kept trying to force Flip and Proctor. Game over lol. So frustrating that the good things from Pitt didn't show up at all tonight


rogozh1n

Lively needs to get in better shape. I really like Young, but he is not a plus defender and we won't win if he plays too many minutes. Lively is nowhere near up to game speed on the college level, yet he still makes a massive impact on the game. He has lots of room to grow. Overall, I was happy with the team today until the end. We are showing improvement, almost getting back to the level of play we showed with Roach. We are not competing with past great Duke teams. We are just competing to get better every game and to fight for wins.


Tiboltd

Unless Scheyer said something about it post game, I saw very little indication that Lively was gassed down the stretch. If anything, Young was the one that looked exhausted. Lively is a rolling play finisher which makes him dependent on guard play, and I think this showed late in the game because Proctor was tired. Time will tell if they can mesh well enough, that pairing has had the most flashes so far.


bigryzenboy123

RANK US


NOTUgglaGOAT

Clemson being undefeated in ACC play going under the radar is exactly where i want to be


StreetReporter

I rushed the court, it was awesome


jetjordan

There's some hate building in the comments for the court storming, but ignore that noise. This was the game that a lot of people said would bring clemson back to earth and you guys looked good and got a win where you were obviously the better team. You deserve the fun that comes with being the #1 team in the acc.


alsocolor

Yes, certainly, #1 in the standings for sure. If you can say one thing about the ACC it’s that Clemson is the #1 team, in the standings.


jetjordan

Who is playing better than clemson in the ACC right now?


alsocolor

An argument could be made that in a few weeks Clemson being the number 1 team in the ACC standings, which is verifiably true, might not be true anymore. You could also say that Clemson, who we all agree is the number one team in the ACC standings, might continue to be the number one team. Really it’s anybody’s guess whether the number one team in the ACC standings, which of course is Clemson, stays the number one team in the standings.


jetjordan

Man this comment is safe AF


CrimsonClad

I don’t know why he’s downvoted, it’s a great comment.


qngff

Glad to see students having fun with basketball this year! Makes my basketball fan alumni heart happy


StreetReporter

WE WANT BAMA ^in ^football


MetaKoopa99

Clemson’s for real! That’s good news for our loss to them earlier this year


StreetReporter

That applies for both flairs


MetaKoopa99

I suppose that’s true! Though I’m a Penn State fan/alum, Pitt is the secondary because I’m from near Pittsburgh


[deleted]

So Clemson is for real huh? Extend Brownell!


StreetReporter

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LordRedbeard420

Is Brad Brownell under or over rated? The world may never know.


theeguy

The correct answer is yes.


qngff

Brad Brownell exists in the rating superposition


ConsuelaApplebee

Schroedinger's basketball


spidersilva09

None of these dudes are NBA ready yet a minimum of 3 of them will leave. Smh


turkeysandwich9971

Aren’t I you used to that by now? Lol


spidersilva09

Usually I can convince myself on one or two or them. Whitehead should be OK but he's still a few years away. Reminds me of the Matt Hurt years


EleMANtaryTeacher

ARE WE A BASKETBALL SCHOOL NOW???


UncleSam_HS

Nice work Clemson bros. Iowa message boards have been lighting up with the hope of your likely top 50 NET ranking tomorrow. We appreciate you.


InYourFace1023

Thank you Clemson, very cool. Textiles/Agriculture schools rise up


ChattingKaren

NC state and Clemson ranked with Duke and UNC both unranked.... has to be first time ever.


ddottay

Nobody knows how to make a basket. *One* total make from the floor in the last 8 minutes. If I was Scheyer I would look at every single player in the locker room and tell them “None of you are future NBA players with what you’ve shown. Get your head out of your ass.”


Tiboltd

If I was Scheyer I'd also be looking at how my own decisions directly affected the outcome of the game


0010001

Proctor seems like the only guy who can create, but he’s still young and a bit reckless. Offensive rebounding can only get us so far, we have to create some initial offense.


ttuurrppiinn

I think you've got a talented roster of pieces that don't fit well together. Like, it's almost as if the 2022 recruiting class focused too much on getting the top talent and not enough about whether that talent made sense as a unit. At least, that's what I keep telling myself. I'd love to see Scheyer go with a 3 PF starting lineup experiment next year just to see what happens.


TechSudz

We just have too many players, period. There are a variety of rotations that mesh well together depending on what we need, but Scheyer needs to decide what his best lineup is and stick with it.


durklil

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0010001

Nah we’ve been worse. I expected an L here and was pleasantly surprised by how well Duke played early on, but we just couldn’t hold on. We’re looking better, have to start translating that into results.


WWG_Fire

Duke fans are especially pessimistic, which makes sense because of our history and the ranking of this class. But realistically, not all classes are the same. Give scheyer the zion class or equivalent, and he'd probably have 1-2 losses. Inevitably, we lost a lot of players, and our freshmen were a little overhyped. I firmly believe that even coach K would be having a mediocre season, definitely a better one but not a great one.


BigSportsNerd

Duke had one of the best recruiting classes in the country coming into this season.


DurdenVsDarkoVsDevon

Recruiting rankings across the board have been more inaccurate than usual this year. These are COVID high school kids. Recruiting wasn't as effective during COVID. You didn't see them play as many games, and so you've got more variance. Duke's freshman aren't playing like they were expected to, plain and simple. But it's not just a Duke phenomenon.


BigSportsNerd

I'm absolutely shocked Duke is as mid as they are this year. I can't remember a Duke team under coach k being unranked yet when the polls come out Duke will be unranked. I am a bit wary of scheyers ability but he is also following a legend.


StreetReporter

Duke sucked in the 2020-21 season, they missed the tournament and everything


DurdenVsDarkoVsDevon

I can. 2021. It's been a disappointing year so far for sure, but it was pretty clear from the first few games this is not a top-15 team. At least not how they're playing. There's still time to turn it around. It's January.


WWG_Fire

Yes, but as I said, not all recruiting classes are the same. There's no Tatum or zion or even banchero in this class


willncsu34

Brownell, Keats and Capel all going for ACC coach of the year as we all expected.


porofessordad

The frustrating thing is that nothing is being fixed. We are still posting up Young and Flip unsuccessfully, still play them together while Young is at the 3 point line pump faking (LOL), still don't let Dariq get on-ball opportunities, still suck at 3 point shooting yet refuse to even give Schutt a chance, still don't push Lively to go for it inside instead of passing it out (and causing TOs). Guys can have great games some days (like Proctor before desperation mode today) and be invisible the next, but ultimately nothing changes. Scheyer is more and more deserving of blame


0010001

At least we looked a lot better than last week, that’s for sure.


porofessordad

So instead of looking like a 14th place ACC team we go back to regular levels of underachievement? Sorry but being better than a team that got absolutely clapped and nearly lost to BC is not going to cut it for talent of this level, especially when the same patterns manifest themselves over and over. Also to add, Clemson did not have a good shooting night despite being 38% on the season from 3 and having three 40%+ shooters; they won because they relied on outworking us in the paint down the stretch while we settled for 3s. Them going 3-17 is atypical (unlike us, for whom 3-17 from 3 is a regular occurrence away from home). Some of that was our defense, but there were several fairly contested looks that could have gone in or out but didn't fall for them. If they went 1st half NC State on us, they easily win by 10+.


imperfekt

Duke, you good?


0010001

Eh. Kinda. Not sure


cumineverybutthole

Clemson played well, Duke refused to put the ball in the basket for about 5 minutes. Not much you can do if you’re just never gonna score. Still, nice to see us not get blown out.


UnIuckyCharms

The only way this team hits its ceiling is if Young plays less than 16 minutes a game imo. Teams don’t fear him whatsoever defensively and they go right at him when he plays extended minutes. He struggles to guard bigs, forwards, wings, and guards. There isn’t a single switch on the court that he can make consistently and offensively team are content to let him head fake until he turns the ball over or has to kick the ball out with 8 second left on the clock Lively and Whitehead have got to get more minutes as Blakes and Young get less


Positive_Increase

What was that reverse pivot move PJ Hall did in the first half called? He did it again and the second time the announced said who it was named after.


Prefer_NotTo_Say

I feel like this Duke team is falling victim to the same things Kentucky has dealt with. Having a program built on one and done recruits leaves you susceptible to having teams that just don’t mesh well and work within the system that has historically worked for these programs.


ThomasCorbettt

Rushing the court changed my life


StreetReporter

It changed my life as well


chrisocho8

We’re tanking for Wemby right?….right?


Palmettor

Gg Duke. Y’all brought the heat and locked Tyson down. No one could handle rebounds, it seemed.


Brandycane1983

I'm so over being a one and done team. Duke wins when we have a good mix of lower and upperclassmen. It's not even that Coach K left, it's been a problem since we became a one and done team. 2010 and 2015 we had 4 year players and leaders


tiltbuiltlandscape

been saying it for years, there’s no chemistry when the turnover is so high, it creates some ugly ass basketball


Theres_A_Thing

Amazing win, 7-0 in conference play is something I never would’ve thought I’d see for Clemson. Still, Fire Brad Brownell


BlooperJR

Give Brownell every damn dollar for the rest of life. And rank us you cowards!


OGraffe

I’m a little hesitant to say give him a significant raise until he can do this two years in a row. Our big problem with Brownell is he’d put out a year like this but then go back to being below average the next year. This start has me cautiously optimistic though


pierretong

at a school like Clemson, we're not going to draw in top recruits so it's really going to be year to year depending on how the transfers we get end up producing (Galloway was our transfer this year and he looks great so far)


barbandbert

Notable basketball school Clemson


WWG_Fire

Yeah, the calls were bad, but we lost, gg Clemson Scheyer had something good on defense with lively and dariq, then he stopped doing it :/


Zjc30

I’m getting nervous about Scheyer now


Possible_Chain8777

Not sure why you are. His players cannot make shots to save their lives. Very disappointed in our players this year more so than Jon.


Zjc30

I mean you’re not wrong


BadgerTate5

At some point this is coaching. The offense has been completely stagnant all year. And yet, we still aren’t running set plays, still aren’t teaching the off-ball players to cut, and Scheyer is continually playing the 2 big lineup which clogs the lane. When we just run “motion” for a group that doesn’t know how to create, the outcome will be bad


0010001

Nah panicking now is silly. Let’s be patient


NotFlipkid

:(


Milflover69cbb

I really hope the locker rooms get taken away or some sort of punishment for a kick in the behind, also roach being back healthy is a need not a want at this point


jetjordan

I worry that I was right last year when I said that roach was the last true dookie.


Milflover69cbb

Idk I think the scheyer is building the team he’s getting 1 or two guys that will stay multi seasons, I think Procter, mark, Blake’s, reeves, and shutt while yea only 2-3 r great they could become better, roach does have a real blue devil feel though


PursuasiveDuck

We a basketball school now, at least until September.


SusannaG1

Or when baseball season starts...


StreetReporter

I’m excited to see what Bakich can do


misdreavus79

Hashtag quality loss.


KnowledgeGod

Hire Brownell!!


cport-blue-devil

This team sucks to watch. They play so sloppy. Although I guess they pretty much look like a team of almost all freshmen led by a first year head coach, which they are. Can’t wait to watch us lose to Carolina by 30 twice. Doom.


Obvious_Chapter2082

Sir, have you seen us play this year?


Rac3318

Man, Clemson’s next 5 games in January are all super winnable. We could actually see a 12-0 Clemson team at the beginning of February. Wild year


CHolland8776

And then they lose their 1st ACCT game lol


BenignPandora14

What a beautiful day of college basketball Also rank (both of) us cowards!


[deleted]

Duke not duke this year


BigSportsNerd

What's wrong with scheyer??? Duke was supposed to be good.


Burnout189

I just want to say, from a neutral standpoint....ahahaahahahaha.......ha.


newportsr4kids

Hell yes. Good job Clemson bros


DrChimRichaulds

Exxxxxxxxcellent Tigers, exxxxxxcellent


hcforever

Did they really just storm the court on a team that’s about to be unranked?


viewless25

it's called meeting at the paw


OGraffe

Yes. Do you not understand how historically bad Clemson is at basketball?


Bigpoppapat

Sure did


StreetReporter

Yes, it was amazing


laceless_shoe

Yeah, what are you gonna do about it?


0010001

I appreciate the respect, didn’t think we’re good enough for a court storm.


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_hell_is_empty_

It was “a big win for the program”. Or something.


bigryzenboy123

Cry 😢