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How has the government not reintroduced the Jobseeker Supplement payment? We are worse off now than we ever were last year, yet the most vulnerable are being ignored?

How has the government not reintroduced the Jobseeker Supplement payment? We are worse off now than we ever were last year, yet the most vulnerable are being ignored?

OzDownUnder90

Because the Federal Government hate the poor. That's pretty much the only reason unfortunately.


[deleted]

*The LNP hate the poor.


OzDownUnder90

Labor couldn't even vote for the extension of JobSeeker. They're just as bad.


xlerv8

Agreed they just don't represent the low Socio-economic folk and haven't for years


[deleted]

Unfortunately it's all about context, and them having to play it safe just to get a single vote. When you're fighting against a media monopoly, at some point you're gonna have to cave in just to appease the masses, knowing full well that at any point in time it's gonna flip on you.


motherofmanycats

Well us on welfare don't really care about Labor trying to score points with wannabe Liberal voters when we are literally dying lmao


[deleted]

Preach. The system needs a massive overhaul. Unfortunately our best option is to go with the number one Australian response and get a job, besides the fact that we're contending with at least 300 other applicants at any point in time.


xlerv8

I love the unemployment rate is heading south , they must be on some very strong drugs up there in Canberra


Goombung

How are you literally dying? Maybe some of us could help.


OzDownUnder90

I'm not even gonna argue with this. My original comment was about the current Federal government and it's going to stay that way.


[deleted]

I don't expect you to, but why bring up an argument when you have no intention of continuing?


Sufficient-Document3

you people are so delusional with this murdoch crap. murdoch owns a swathe of newspapers and you pretend that it's a media monopoly, meanwhile every broadcast station, which has FAR more influence on people's minds, are all heavily to the left. yes there is a media monopoly, but it's the total opposite to what you liars pretend it is.


Hawwtfuzz

The absolute dumbest thing anyone will read all week. Cognitive dissonance exemplified.


Sufficient-Document3

says the slave to partisan politics


Hawwtfuzz

Wild generalised assumption. I mean why not. Not much else to do


[deleted]

When you say "left" I'm going to assume that you mean LNP favouring centrist at best. I don't recall any media in Australia being THAT socialist that declaring them "left" would ever make any sense whatsoever. The furthest left you're gonna get in Australia is a bunch of spoonfed hipsters on Triple J banging on about why their latte should be cheaper.


Sufficient-Document3

i'm not referring to either party. if you keep pushing what's 'left' further every decade, then sure, you can claim that our media is now 'centred'. and you can also hide behind the economic excuse, that because we still live under 'capitalism' we're therefore not to the left, despite our govt now ballooning to gigantic size and international coorporations so lock step in agenda and ideology that you may as well conclude that they are operated in the same way as communism, by one group who wields power over both state and industry. they simply have yet to cement that state power formally(although they are certainly pushing for it) but otherwise they are as close to it as you can get. you can call it whatever stupid name you want, i don't care. for some reason 'leftists' love to pretend that the 'right' means corporate control, therefore, anything a corporation does is a 'right wing thing'. regardless of the past, in reality, nowadays, most right-wingers hate corporations, and they hate any group having too much control of anything. it is now leftists who love their corporations and act as their slaves, exactly what they become once you go so far left you reach communism, because they both share the same social agenda. as you are well aware, our media pushes every leftist social agenda, whether that be whites are evil the rest are angels let's replace all white people, men are demons women are angels let's pretend women are better at everything, x globalist agenda is real and super duper all other opinions censored. no right-wing social agenda is tolerated whatsoever. if you're still falling for the lnp vs labor trap at this point you are so far behind you'll never catch up and you'll never understand how our nation and world really works. they're the same damn thing.


Trick_Problem

amennnnnn!


crappy_pirate

"hurr durr fine people on both sides derpy derp"


Sufficient-Document3

how on earth did you reach that conclusion? i'm well aware reddit and this sub is completely dominated by brainwashed 'leftist' think (like i just said, every corporation pushes the same social agenda) so i'm not exactly expecting any decent or favourable response on here to this obvious and simple logic, but your response is well below even the usual brainwashed auto emittance...


crappy_pirate

dude, you'd call Augusto Pinochet a "leftist"


[deleted]

Dude, if you and your friends/colleagues were under as much scrutiny as they are at any point in time, you'd probably pull some normie shit too. Imagine the headlines if they voted for it and it still failed: "Labor trying and failing to put Dole bludgers above the working Australians"


OzDownUnder90

I hate both parties. Even when Labor was in charge, they never raised the payments either. So excuse me for not having any faith in any of our governments. They all suck.


crappy_pirate

hating both parties is fine. saying that they're the same as a result is just plain stupid. for a start, Labor don't shield their members from police investigations of the anal rape of underage women.


Ashbub

........... clearly you haven't worked in police accountability in Victoria. The labour run police force are the most corrupt in the country.


crappy_pirate

workers run the police force? whut? lmao dude get a grip


[deleted]

Agreed, they both suck and they're both full of over the hill staff that should consider retiring. I will say this though, one party wants to hand out tax cuts to the already rich, and the other wants to give tax cuts to the others that aren't worth $1m+ Wanna make a change? Join a party and run for office. I'll vote for a younger dude with at least a slight concept of how hard life is, over a private school spoonfed marketing manager like ScoMo any day.


chemicalparts

Gillard even cut parenting payment!


mb231212

I’m sorry, but everyone is thinking that money grows on trees? We are almost at a trillion dollars of debt from this pandemic and everyone wants a hand out. We will be paying this off for generations to come and the money is borrowed from the world bank not our coffers. Yes, people are worse off but at the same time I’m not sympathetic to both parties as they’re both shit. Labor has no clue what they’re doing and would make the economy worse off than the libs.


SimonShang

I mean ScoMo gave millions of dollars to billionaires whose companies made millions of profit that could have gone to people who weren’t well ofd


kazushi_sakuraba39

What about the billions given to corporations that have increased their bottom line during the pandemic? Include the tax they don't pay, plus the other concessions and handouts for not just corporations but also the rich and you've got plenty of money. The government always blames the poor, the people on welfare, but the reality is that's all lies. Just like how immigrants and the poor were responsible for the GFC! It had nothing to do with greedy bankers and financial institutions breaking the law and having laws changed so they could get themselves into positions that meant they were too big to fail and therefore had to be bailed our to save not just America's economy but also the world's.


mb231212

That makes 0 sense in context of what I’m talking about? All handouts to organisations mostly were paid back even Harvey Norman when pressured. Albeit, I agree in terms of corporations not paying tax and avoiding where they can. But in reality, when you look at the spending in the fed budget a large portion is allocated to welfare and therefore my tax dollars (I’m in the highest bracket) so yes I’m entitled to complain like all of you that I see my hard earned money go pay for handouts.


kazushi_sakuraba39

Boo hoo, you pay taxes. So does everyone. You're just a whinging....... that has no compassion for people that need welfare. Not everyone is a bludger, scamming the system. But you are a classic "you are wasting my tax money" self entitled fool. Our taxes go to a lot of other things. If you take away welfare do you know the type of country we'll be living in? In malaysia people storm houses with machetes regularly. All houses have bars on all windows and doors, gates and some have barbed wire and even glass cemented into the fences of their house. You and your upper-class life would be a prime target, your car would get broken into, stolen, your house too. Unless you spend thousands on security. You should consider yourself lucky to have your life, not whinging bout people that are struggling to eat. You are the most selfish person it's unbelievable. Obviously your lucky to never have experienced hard times and even though you're a ........ I still don't wish you will ever have to experience some of the tough times and hardships other people on welfare have had to endure. I just hope one day you will understand that not everyone on welfare is like what you think they're all like. That most would rather be working and worry free. But from the way you talk it will be decades till you can empathise with the lower class, that is if you get there at all!!


mb231212

Crying because you’re a bludger I see? I’m glad I pay you to stay home.


kazushi_sakuraba39

Lol, how old are you 5? Plus if I was a bludger I wouldn't cry. Cos what you get paid is plenty. You can't pay rent, rego, insurance, contents insurance, mobile, bills, food, petrol and still have money to save for emergencies and invest. Plus go on an overseas holiday once a year. So while you work your ass off, the bludgers are laughing at you complaining when you chose your life. Don't get mad cos bludgers are living great lives and don't get caught up "keeping up with the Jones' ". Paying 200k for a car and being tied down by mortgages, buying clothes for 10x the amount they're worth Cos they've got a brand name. You can do it if you want. But you think money makes the man. But by your attitude and opinions you're not even half a man. You're a spoilt brat, not born with a silver spoon in your mouth, but a gold bar up your arse!!! So enjoy working 60 hours a week while the smart ones enjoy waking up at 12pm and doing what they want everyday. Give me your address so I can get every bludger to send you a card every Xmas to thank you for paying for their lives. 🤣😂🤣


mb231212

Debt makes money you fool lol end of discussion - you have no idea what you’re talking about and will be debt ridden for life buying stupid shit lol. Never said I bought 200k cars? Lol assumptions. Good luck to you


kazushi_sakuraba39

Lol I have no debt. Not even a credit card. Your the one that is on a centrelink forum that's supposedly rich. Bragging bout how much you have and whinging bout bludgers. Get some friends and get a life!!


mb231212

Not even going to read this but the first sentence lol you’re a dimwit and no debt haha cause you live at home little boy. Run along


kazushi_sakuraba39

Also, key words in your post "when pressured". They weren't gonna voluntarily give back the money. Plus the rich are also on welfare. People that have 10 million dollar homes and cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars still get the pension. Even though they don't need it. Given the way you talk I expect you to not accept the pension. But cos of you self entitled rant, I know you will say "I've paid my taxes, I deserve to get the pension". Even though you will have a mulri million dollar house, millions in super, you will still find a way to scam the system and get the pension. So you will end up being a hypocrite, being a burden on society even though you don't need a cent.


mb231212

No need for pension - why would I ? When I have built enough captial and investments to retire at 40. Don’t be upset because I pointed facts out and to be frank a high proportion of people on welfare bludge and do milk the system even through generations. Don’t sit there and act like you’re defending the “poor” and me being “self righteous” lol you dimwit I’m entitled to the opinion that I have, I have worked hard and sacrificed to get to where I am and I started with nothing in the ghetto.


kazushi_sakuraba39

Well then you enjoy paying CGT at a rate only a few cents more than the lowest tax bracket. So WTF are you whinging about? Plus the fact that you have to brag means your so insecure I feel sorry for you. Why are you even on a centrelink subreddit? To brag??? Lol, you're the bludger!! Plus for you to say a high proportion of people bludge means you have no idea. You're just here to complain cos you haven't got a life. Especially if you work as hard as you do. Why would you spend your precious time here???? Seriously your life must be a joke. No wife, no family, no friends!! Just a lonely pie e of shit that spends his time on a centrelink forum. Lol, nothing better to do than type to unknown people how great your life is!! Haha 😂🤣😂🤣 What?? Ghetto???? Now you think your a ..... pfft. If you really came from nothing you would have empathy towards people with nothing, not acting all high and mighty about people spending your tax dollars. It's obv who and what you are, you just keep typing and don't realise how stupid it all sounds when it's all put together!!!!! Have a great life!!! Karma will work everything out in the end. If you really came "from the ghetto" your even we ordered of a person than I thought, cos you know what it's like to struggle. well there aren't ghettos in this country plus it's just a bullshit put into your life story" to make it seem like you've done well. But money isn't the gauge of a successful life, maybe in your immature mind, but not in any wise persons mind. Now go take your little ego somewhere else and get a life. What the fuck is a successful person doing here???? Bragging/lying and whinging!! Great way to spent your time. Obviously got no friends that's why you gotta brag to people you don't know. Later clown 🤡!!


kazushi_sakuraba39

Alll??? Even harvey Norman only gave 25% back.


chemicalparts

Boosting welfare would literally boost the whole economy because poor people spend money, they don't save it


Mvg1003

You do realise the federal government want us open, it’s the state government keeping you locked up


OzDownUnder90

I'm talking about social security payments. That's a Federal thing, not State.


Kaitanaray

I think what he means is being locked up isn’t necessary? Therefore returning the economy somewhat to normal. As they are pushing so hard for vacation rates and locking down each state forcing this downward spiral of economy


Non-Germane

The Federal Government isn’t the one putting in the lockdowns you nuff


OzDownUnder90

That's not my point here, you "nuff".


TakeshiKovacsSleeve3

I've been waiting months for someone to bring this up! You're the first person I've seen mention it, including papers etc. It's a joke. You're absolutely correct.


Hot_Advertising2376

Literally no one in the media is talking about it, I’m sure when Scumo wants election brownie points he may do something… who am I kidding? He won’t. It’s unbelievable.


peej74

It won't happen. Unless a person finds themselves with a need for income support they will either turn their head or deem people bludgers (it's been going on since 1976). The government don't want any welfare state and mainstream commercial media are complicit. The few independent outlets I read, one being the Guardian, does report on it. Shade gets thrown about leftys and welfare too.


[deleted]

The Labor stimulus package during the recession was directly aimed at the working class/unemployed. Unfortunately the majority of the time, Labor are busting their asses trying to create jobs and work their way out of the debt that the Liberal National coalition got us all into to begin with. If they weren't defamed by a majorly biased press/media monopoly, they might actually have a chance at bringing us "bludgers" out of the dirt. None of this "have a go and you'll get a go" bullshit that ScoMo bangs on about.


kazushi_sakuraba39

💯The only way any stimulus package would work is if the poor and lower class received money cos they are the ones that would spent it all. The middle class would put it towards their mortgages and the rich would save it. But the LNP give every cent they can to the rich which never ends up being spent and they just blame the poor for being dole bludgers when it's their fault that so many need handouts cos a lot of full time jobs are no longer there, only a lot of part time jobs that people can't survive on.


Hot_Advertising2376

Oh and I’ve been waiting months for someone to bring it up too! I thought I might give it a go here haha


RhythmGhost

Isn’t it sad? :(


adfaegasgasfg

There's been quite a bit of coverage in the media about it. Not enough though.


aussiederpyderp

The money can't be delivered directly to their party donaters like with JobKeeper. We obviously can't have poor people benefiting in any way - this is par for the course for this government.


Blyatinum

How has it not been reintroduced? They don't care. They hate us, every single one of us. A truly sad thing is that even though they hate us and that it's obvious, there will still be some of us on jobseeker who will vote for these dickheads come election time. I won't be, I never have. I've told my local mp, who happens to be a bloody liberal, that we need it back but what's the bet he doesn't try do do any damn thing about it? The rate needs to be changed permanently to at the very least what it was when we were getting the coronavirus supplement. Won't happen while the libs are in power though and not likely if labor gets in either unfortunately. Labor says they're on our side but they're not, they keep letting the libs get their way, but they're meant to be an opposition.


petergaskin814

A lot of people could not believe that jobseeker supplement was paid last year. Now if you are working part time, get jobseeker or some other government benefit and lose the job, you might be eligible for $200 per week. Blame it on those who complained about the supplement last year


ziyal79

You mean people like Gerry Harvey?


petergaskin814

No. I have read a lot of complaints against jobseeker supplement


ziyal79

Yeah, can't have those bloody dole bludgers be able to pay their bills! /s FWIW, since the covid supplement disappeared, I haven't been able to pay my utility bills without borrowing money (I've tried payment plans, but I can't consistently afford them) because of my upfront medical costs such as my psychiatrist ($240 upfront, then rebate. I can't just pay the gap). I've already used the utility relief grant, so I have to rely on services like Deferit to pay my utilities.


Hot_Advertising2376

I really feel for you. ☹️


leac1801

Yup, we were able to get a much needed car upgrade, pay off debt, get white goods that actually worked etc, and now I’m blocked from Afterpay because I use it too much.


ziyal79

Me too, I switched to open pay, the terms are longer as well, so you can have it 4-6 months to pay stuff off. I find it helpful.


leac1801

The one place that has the kibble my dogs eat offers it so I use it when they have enough stock that I can get a few bags. I wish I’d used zip more at the beginning, I mostly use it to pay car rego and my limit isn’t much more than that.


Hawwtfuzz

Yet spending boomed because folks were finally able to pay bills, buy food and be normal humans for once. I'd happily pay taxes to help others get a leg up. I'd also be an advocate for having a say where my individual taxes are distributed to.


petergaskin814

I understand the impact of increased spending during a recession. Do not expect stimulus when 4 states and 1 territory is open.


vk2emp

You mean the covid supplement payment, which should have been available to every stream of welfare, not just those on jobseeker.


rainbowdolphin

Yeah, the one that *was* available to more than just JobSeeker recipients (:


vk2emp

Yeah the one that wasn't available to pensioners, people on sickness benefits, people on disability, carers, yeah that one.


rainbowdolphin

Oh yeah, the ones that were already receiving like $400 more than youth, students, and JobSeekers because their CPI increases over the years have been significantly more generous (or less punishing, depending on perspective).


Opposite-Hedgehog-65

Pretty piss pore! Yet Morrison’s riding around the country on Father’s Day..


MrIwik

That’s only because he couldn’t catch a flight to Hawaii


Hot_Advertising2376

Standard.


[deleted]

I've been busting my ass to get "gainful employment" for 3 years now through DES, only to time and time again be referred to a "casual" position at 40+ hours a week, when my benchmark is 12 hours a week. I've been diagnosed with clinical depression, severe anxiety as a side effect from my medication and most recently PTSD. The sad fact is that because I'm physically able, my benchmark is constantly being changed by Centrelink, not a medical professional like a psychologist or psychiatrist, by a government organisation, to push me into employment. I have certification and the majority of a bachelor's degree, yet I am being forced to an extent to apply for positions both myself, and actual medical professionals know that I can't perform. The problem is much more than the government agency itself, and I thank whatever omnipotent being that gave me a fully (to an extent) functional brain. Because wtf are these shitheads forcing less fortunate and functional people than myself to do, in order to meet a quota, so they get paid by the government. TLDR: The whole system is fucked. Have you tried getting a job?


[deleted]

If you're a part of DES, document everything. Benchmark changes, job referrals, activities, and most importantly professional diagnosis and/or advice. At some point the government is going to realise that employment agencies are coercing people into self destruction, that they're meant to be helping, in order to make a dollar. Your employment agency isn't your friend. They're an appendage the government utilisises, consciously or otherwise in order to gain revenue. I pay tax on my Centrelink payment as a choice. I don't however, pay these shitbirds a wage to exploit people that don't know better, and think that it's the norm. It isn't. It's coercion and exploitation. Document. Everything. Rant over.


crappy_pirate

the only reason it was brought in was because of all the normies who lost their jobs. now that they don't give a fuck about votes like that any more, we are returned to being ignored. now the talking point is about teenage mental health, and apparently how there's a "pandemic" of suicides due to not being allowed to escape from their parents' abuse for six hours a day (despite the suicide rate falling during lockdown) we're going to be ignored again until we can be used as a political football again, and next time we'll get dropped like a used tissue as soon as the talking point has been answered just like every other time it's happened.


[deleted]

Labor has been pushing to raise payments in comparison to inflation. People are just stupid and love to believe what the media/Murdoch/LNPs best mate has been pushing for decades now. The "fact" that Labor can't manage the economy, yet it's always the coalition that brings us further into debt. Furthermore if you haven't noticed, any time that a Liberal govt introduced a new policy that is praised by the media, it's either already been done by Labor, or it's a direct proposal from Labor. Stop paying attention to "journalists". Comedians in Australia do a better job reporting politics and policy than actual journalists. For any source material, go watch a few Friendlyjordies videos.


ozmartian

>Comedians in Australia do a better job reporting politics and policy than actual journalists. This is true globally and has been the case for decades.


[deleted]

#justiceforjordies


ozmartian

Love those guys.


Hawwtfuzz

Except for Dave Hughes. He's a class one Dick brain.


ozmartian

Oh don't get me started naming big lame names in current OZ comedy. We have a handful of okay ones, NZ is actually doing better IMHO the past year for sure.


mrcouchsurf

I worked in our hospital systems for all of covid up until March this year until I finally cracked and left, since then I’ve been on jobseeker unable to find a job due to our harsh lockdowns and I can’t keep living off $650 per fortnight, it’s an absolute fucking joke. I have been shat on for the last 2 years.


hrnyrhino

They should not have introduced it at all, not that early in the game, anyway. There would still be some money left in the kitty for harder times like now. Soo much cash wasted and inappropriately distributed early on has left us fairly screwed now.


BeltInternational890

Such a face palm moment, not to mention the exponentially higher amount wasted on jobkeeper >100bn while the usual suspects complained in the media about the <5bn on jobseeker. Unbelievable


Ash_The_Serious

Probably to force people to get vaccinated.


Beautiful_Arm_6835

Job keeper is such a joke, all of a sudden middle class people can’t work, the government has to pay them $1,500 a fortnight, 2.5x what the lowly unemployed job seekers receive. Oh no how could the middle class live! They’re almost becoming like the poor! We can’t have that!


Hot_Advertising2376

😤


Pleasant-Link-52

I need more stimmys


Altairlio

The most vulnerable are ATSI in remote areas and inner cities areas during this time imo


jakeo10

This is why I invested the massive $1200 jobseeker payment I had last year when I was let go by former employer. I put every spare cent besides what I absolutely needed into mining GPUs. I've now got a passive 2k per month income. Won't have to worry if I end up being unemployed again.


ozmartian

$2k/month from mining using Australian priced electricity? Somehow I don't think your math adds up if you consider the REAL cost.


jakeo10

6x RTX3090 (purchased back at launch for MSRP) Total 738MH/s at 295W each with my settings. That's 1770W power draw. That equates to 42.48kwh per 24hrs. 1274.4kwh per month. 0.195 cents per kilowatt hour with our electricity plan. That's $248.50 per month in electricity. (I have smart plugs monitoring power draw fyi). That's exactly what I pay for the mining by itself (plus normal usage of $120 plus access charges of $88 but I pay that either way).


ozmartian

My math ain't bad. I thought it would cost significantly more to profit in such a way from my understanding of things. $1200 doesn't get you a decent GPU these days, shortages and all, right? Honest question.


jakeo10

It takes time to reach return on investment. If you are buying nowadays you will take far longer due to inflated prices. For example, I paid $2700 per rtx 3090. Total cost was 16200 ish. It took around 8 months since last October to break even. Now it's pure profit (and can sell the GPUs at the end to get most of initial investment back). Ethereum mining has been nuts the last 12 months. Unfortunately now is the worst time to jump in because ethereum moves to Proof of Stake soon and mining it will end in Q1/Q2 next year.


ozmartian

Gotcha! Now it all makes sense. Thx for sharing and schooling me :-)


jakeo10

No problem. Basically if you started beginning of this year most people would hit ROI and profit but starting right now is risky due to Ethereum mining ending early next year.


ozmartian

Good to know! 👍


Ashie1620

JobSeeker supplement payment? What's that? I'm still reporting and getting JS payments but am I missing something?


Hot_Advertising2376

The extra $550 we received during covid last year


Ashie1620

Oh that. Yeah I remember that. Sorry. Carry on.


FractalM8

except people who didnt have a job in 2020 and then their dole payment more than doubled... newstart slackers!


Large_Ad_861

Because it was meant to be two weeks…. They got us on a technicality


Sh4nk5

Because they want you to ignore the risks and pressure you into going to get your jibber so you can go back to work.


tarasque2010

Because Australia is going broke.... also because of the reasons being mentioned.


stawsy

There should be a minimum wage / welfare type payment that everyone should get. And if you can and want to make more with a job, then go for it.


Kaitanaray

I think there’s bigger fish to fry than why the government isn’t giving out more money…. Pretty rule stricken here!


Dingle-Berry1959

As much as I'd love it to come back. I genuinely think the people that need it the most are the poor bastards at their ALREADY existing jobs that have to stop every time theres a lockdown and they're not on centrelink so they're not getting paid at ALL.