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  • By - zxrax

cantaloupe5

Barrel buffs/nerfs are like 0.5% - 1% for recoil so gonna be barely noticeable. Bullfrog and Gallo nerfs will probably be noticeable, I think PPSh will replace Bullfrog has best high damage-per-mag SMG and JAK12 will replace Gallo as top shotty


Eagle8587

Dont forget the origin. It now has more range than the gallo and is way more mobile than the jak12.


cantaloupe5

Yeah true forgot about Origin


nug4t

I am a 60 percent shotgun player, the vlk rogue with dragonsbreath is better than most of them at mid-close range, the ttk is very good, you make lots of damage and fuck with enemy visually because of fire. I use it over the Gallo.


ArtoriasXX

With the VLK Rogue DB should you hipfire or do you ADS?


nug4t

I always hipfire shotguns


vfrontier

Any mw smgs with high dmg per mag?


Trail8

AUG with 9mm rounds is pretty good


input_

and Swiss/Kar move even higher on the pick rate


Lma0-Zedong

More than 3 metres of range nerf to the Gallo SA12! I'd say they went too far with that, specially considering how punishing it is with the reloads.


zxrax

yeah, they really shit on the gallo. I won’t complain because I think shotguns are cheesy as fuck and don’t really have a good place in the meta, but if it is as much of a nerf as it sounds then the gallo is done for.


Lma0-Zedong

Shotguns should dominate at <10m, this nerf has completely destroyed it. With max range builds (task force + ember sighting point) the 3 shot range is just 7m, and using the task force means that you'll cripple your hipfire accuracy (which isn't good respect to other shotguns). Low range, small magazine, slow reloads... it's dead right now. A 1m range would have been enough, or just tweak the Reinforced Heavy Barrel so it doesn't boost rate of fire.


No_Bar6825

They had to nerf it after nerfing the ots which was supposed to compete with shotguns


Lma0-Zedong

I agree with a nerf, but cmon, they completely destroyed it with such a big range nerf. The gun suffered from small magazine and slow reloads, and now also suffers from very small range...


No_Bar6825

I think the range nerf was a tad much. They need to make the other shotguns better too


employeeshakedown

It was only viable within 6m honestly.. 10m is a huge stretch. You’d need all 12 rounds to just down someone at that range. This nerf was uncalled for and I’m gonna miss shoving it up some banshee kali dorks ass


agingercrab

I think the balancing is an issue, as in verdansk it works, whereas in rebirth shotguns were OP af as you can't really avoid CQB. I'm glad for the nerf, basically coz I only play rebirth.


GolgafrinchansUnite

Honestly don’t care, don’t even like automatic shotguns in the game. The Doof Doof was fun an but the Gallo, Jak etc. Can fuck off


Kreimbo

Your the only sane person here


pricesturgidtache

Maybe they should but they’re fucking annoying when you can’t do shit about someone with one within its range unless you also run one.


Lma0-Zedong

You can defeat or counter them with akimbo handguns, launchers or melee weapons in their range. And with SMGs if you don't stand up like a bot


pricesturgidtache

With SMGs it depends on the situation. A heavy area on Rebirth and they can easily down you while you’re filling their chest with lead, even you shoot them first. Quite often come face to face with people on rebirth.


nug4t

No, Gallo, origin and streetsweeper were way too powerful with that rate of fire. I personally think the vlk rogue is the best middle ground and I always had more kills in the end with that gun than with the gallo. Less rate of fire but way more dmg at plus 6 meters, burn and visual disturbance for the enemy


IfXD

>yeah, they really shit on the gallo South American lobbies after this change: *Insert people vibing to dvd screensaver here*


GolgafrinchansUnite

I fucking hate the Gallo and all automatic shotguns, so I’m pretty happy


RubyBoyYT

Oh no worries at all it's just easier for me. thank you. Have a nice day!


SpookyKG

BARREL nerfs for CWAK/XM4. No change to their efficacy for sniper support. Yay!


-Reginald-Fairfield

Phewwww, just realized my XM4 sneakily was sniper support leveled up yesterday. Woulda been a major kick in the nuts if it was already chalked. Been looking for a solid sniper support for awhile


maurtom

What barrel/attachments would make it a good sniper support?


xxabdulmalikxx

For Xm4? I have a good one if you want


maurtom

Yeah! Been meaning to try that gun out if you don’t mind sharing


xxabdulmalikxx

Ok you should use agency, tiger team, raider stock bruiser group and stanad 60 round. This is the one I use and it has good mobility


maurtom

Hell yeah, trying this out later today, thanks m8!


Noowai

Agency / Tiger Team / 45 round / Reflex / Raider Stock is my go to. Raider is quite strong on Ars since it has insane ads movement buff, and ars actually have higher sprint to fire time than ads on base.


maurtom

Damn! I heard there were some silent buffs from certain attachments but this is good to know


Noowai

They are usually listed on TrueGameData website :)


xxabdulmalikxx

You're welcome :D


-Reginald-Fairfield

I’ve been using agency suppressor, microflex led, Tiger team, serpent wrap, 45 rd.. it’s JGod’s load out. Haven’t used it long enough to figure out if I need to change anything. But it ADS pretty fast & has done work in buildings as well as being pretty easy to use mid range


MrStormz

Literally ravens development time of warzone has been oh shit better nerf that oh wow that's to far better give it a buff, oh no I've made it too good again let's nerf it


ccck21

PPSH meta I think


armed_aperture

Build?


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Come the fuck onnnnn ​ EVERY SINGLE TIME i switch to a meta weapon so i can compete they go and nerf the shit. I'm on XB1 and controller and i feel like the XM4 didn't need a nerf. Guess i'm back on the kilo.


Noowai

Nerf the shit? Recoil increased by 1%, thats one of lighter touches we’ve seen in a while. Xm4 have the neck/headshot multiplier advantage that overshadowed most guns. Still totally viable and prolly the best along cw ak


[deleted]

I don't follow these changes enough as i only play a couple of times a week so if it's not a huge nerf to it like you say then i'm happy to hear that. I just feel like every time i've gotten attached to a gun it ends up nerfed.


Noowai

I mean at this point its been their policy for a while to adjust/slightly nerf the dominating guns. Ak and xm4 was outliers when it came to damage and outperformed most, thus a nerf was kind of expected. overall this nerf wasnt very substantial. But its not to disregard the recoil on both guns, is quite Big.


pricesturgidtache

This is why they do it. It keeps you playing to level up the next gun.


Wxlson

Why does the moment I get a gun maxed out, they nerf it and I have to level up the new meta gun and repeat this process x50


slothefish

I came to this conclusion a while ago and it's why I never bother any more. I found some guns I like and learn to use them well even though they aren't top "meta" e.g. RAM-7


returningvideotapes1

Bullfrog didn’t need a nerf


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50rnds no ads penalty easy recoil fast movement was a really good gun


returningvideotapes1

Yeah it was good but I don’t think it was over powered


zxrax

it had an advantage over every other gun in its category with no clear disadvantage. a nerf wasn’t undeserved imo.


Mystletaynn

PPSH with 71 round mag and GRU suppressor has the same ADS as a no attachment Bullfrog lmao


No_Bar6825

Yea the ads will be felt. Probably the biggest nerf. Will hurt in those fights where you see somebody at the same time close range


Wonderllama5

It absolutely did not have a TTK advantage


zxrax

i didn’t say it had a TTK advantage. its advantage was that it did not require a mag attachment to be viable.


No_Bar6825

It does though. Once you land that headshot, which is easy to do, it deletes pretty quick. Fire rate is solid despite what people say


Noowai

Admitedly the nerf was quite light - and totally in place.


armed_aperture

I noticed it had the number 1 pick rate yesterday. I’ve been using the bullfrog forever now… how disappointing.


returningvideotapes1

Same buddy, same.


SlyKnyfe12

On console the AK recoil nerf isn't that bad you can feel it but it's still controllable unlike the c58


Billybilly_B

Why in the goddamn fuck are they continuing to REDUCE the recoil the krig has…?


wishitrout

They absolutely destroyed the gun in the last update, theyre just trying to make it not hot garbage i suppose.


zxrax

it had too much recoil after the second adjustment, it was quite useless.


Billybilly_B

Too much recoil? Are we sure…I used it after the update and it’s still much of a laser.


zxrax

three updates to the krig recently. one damage nerf + recoil buff after which it was a literal laser beam akin to the kilo at peak. then one recoil nerf, that was very serious from the few mins i used it. it was usable, but if i wanted high recoil and low damage i’d pick the mg82 which at least shoots fast. now this attachment buff. haven’t used it since but i imagine it’s more usable now, but not meta again.


Billybilly_B

It’s still a laser by any standard. The noob choice, if you will. I wish it had marshmallow damage honestly


No_Bar6825

It does have marshmallow damage at range. Only useful when you see a guy first at not too far out


Monopic

Fuck I’ve been using the gallo since the integration


CR-56_AMAX

Jak 12 Dragons breath Torrent barrel Marauder 5mw Sleight of hand Thank me later, Even gallo users are shocked what hit them


Noowai

Torrent wrecks movement speed completely. Gun is slow enough already.


CR-56_AMAX

Its quite alright without drum mag


Monopic

I already use the jak12 I just preferred the gallo. It’s range was absolutely crazy I was outgunning smgs at 10m


CR-56_AMAX

It had it coming, lets be honest, but Jak is even better now considering the fact that competition is out


armed_aperture

Anyone try the bullfrog yet? I won’t be home until tonight and curious if it’s noticeable.


vinkker

The recoil nerf of the bullfrog in the "bug fix" section is quite big. Its recoil feels much more.


No_Bar6825

Oh shit that’s not good. Just got the gold Camo lol. Now I might have to use undergrip which slows it down even more. This is a big nerf


Noowai

Cant find that part?


vinkker

It's on the other tweet right above, last picture of the tweet


Noowai

True mentioned in the text bubble.


MongoLife45

Quite big = at least 300%. It's double of MAC 10 now.


Clean_Barracuda5883

how bad did the bullfrog get hit? that gun was my baby in this game.


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Alph1ne

EM2 and MW Aug 32 rounds 9mm


fr3cuency

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