By - zxrax
Barrel buffs/nerfs are like 0.5% - 1% for recoil so gonna be barely noticeable. Bullfrog and Gallo nerfs will probably be noticeable, I think PPSh will replace Bullfrog has best high damage-per-mag SMG and JAK12 will replace Gallo as top shotty
Dont forget the origin. It now has more range than the gallo and is way more mobile than the jak12.
Yeah true forgot about Origin
I am a 60 percent shotgun player, the vlk rogue with dragonsbreath is better than most of them at mid-close range, the ttk is very good, you make lots of damage and fuck with enemy visually because of fire. I use it over the Gallo.
With the VLK Rogue DB should you hipfire or do you ADS?
I always hipfire shotguns
Any mw smgs with high dmg per mag?
AUG with 9mm rounds is pretty good
and Swiss/Kar move even higher on the pick rate
More than 3 metres of range nerf to the Gallo SA12! I'd say they went too far with that, specially considering how punishing it is with the reloads.
yeah, they really shit on the gallo. I won’t complain because I think shotguns are cheesy as fuck and don’t really have a good place in the meta, but if it is as much of a nerf as it sounds then the gallo is done for.
Shotguns should dominate at <10m, this nerf has completely destroyed it. With max range builds (task force + ember sighting point) the 3 shot range is just 7m, and using the task force means that you'll cripple your hipfire accuracy (which isn't good respect to other shotguns). Low range, small magazine, slow reloads... it's dead right now. A 1m range would have been enough, or just tweak the Reinforced Heavy Barrel so it doesn't boost rate of fire.
They had to nerf it after nerfing the ots which was supposed to compete with shotguns
I agree with a nerf, but cmon, they completely destroyed it with such a big range nerf. The gun suffered from small magazine and slow reloads, and now also suffers from very small range...
I think the range nerf was a tad much. They need to make the other shotguns better too
It was only viable within 6m honestly.. 10m is a huge stretch. You’d need all 12 rounds to just down someone at that range. This nerf was uncalled for and I’m gonna miss shoving it up some banshee kali dorks ass
I think the balancing is an issue, as in verdansk it works, whereas in rebirth shotguns were OP af as you can't really avoid CQB. I'm glad for the nerf, basically coz I only play rebirth.
Honestly don’t care, don’t even like automatic shotguns in the game. The Doof Doof was fun an but the Gallo, Jak etc. Can fuck off
Your the only sane person here
Maybe they should but they’re fucking annoying when you can’t do shit about someone with one within its range unless you also run one.
You can defeat or counter them with akimbo handguns, launchers or melee weapons in their range. And with SMGs if you don't stand up like a bot
With SMGs it depends on the situation. A heavy area on Rebirth and they can easily down you while you’re filling their chest with lead, even you shoot them first. Quite often come face to face with people on rebirth.
No, Gallo, origin and streetsweeper were way too powerful with that rate of fire. I personally think the vlk rogue is the best middle ground and I always had more kills in the end with that gun than with the gallo.
Less rate of fire but way more dmg at plus 6 meters, burn and visual disturbance for the enemy
>yeah, they really shit on the gallo
South American lobbies after this change:
*Insert people vibing to dvd screensaver here*
I fucking hate the Gallo and all automatic shotguns, so I’m pretty happy
Oh no worries at all it's just easier for me. thank you.
Have a nice day!
BARREL nerfs for CWAK/XM4.
No change to their efficacy for sniper support. Yay!
Phewwww, just realized my XM4 sneakily was sniper support leveled up yesterday. Woulda been a major kick in the nuts if it was already chalked. Been looking for a solid sniper support for awhile
What barrel/attachments would make it a good sniper support?
For Xm4? I have a good one if you want
Yeah! Been meaning to try that gun out if you don’t mind sharing
Ok you should use agency, tiger team, raider stock bruiser group and stanad 60 round. This is the one I use and it has good mobility
Hell yeah, trying this out later today, thanks m8!
Agency / Tiger Team / 45 round / Reflex / Raider Stock is my go to.
Raider is quite strong on Ars since it has insane ads movement buff, and ars actually have higher sprint to fire time than ads on base.
Damn! I heard there were some silent buffs from certain attachments but this is good to know
They are usually listed on TrueGameData website :)
You're welcome :D
I’ve been using agency suppressor, microflex led, Tiger team, serpent wrap, 45 rd.. it’s JGod’s load out. Haven’t used it long enough to figure out if I need to change anything.
But it ADS pretty fast & has done work in buildings as well as being pretty easy to use mid range
Literally ravens development time of warzone has been oh shit better nerf that oh wow that's to far better give it a buff, oh no I've made it too good again let's nerf it
PPSH meta I think
Come the fuck onnnnn
EVERY SINGLE TIME i switch to a meta weapon so i can compete they go and nerf the shit. I'm on XB1 and controller and i feel like the XM4 didn't need a nerf. Guess i'm back on the kilo.
Nerf the shit? Recoil increased by 1%, thats one of lighter touches we’ve seen in a while. Xm4 have the neck/headshot multiplier advantage that overshadowed most guns. Still totally viable and prolly the best along cw ak
I don't follow these changes enough as i only play a couple of times a week so if it's not a huge nerf to it like you say then i'm happy to hear that. I just feel like every time i've gotten attached to a gun it ends up nerfed.
I mean at this point its been their policy for a while to adjust/slightly nerf the dominating guns. Ak and xm4 was outliers when it came to damage and outperformed most, thus a nerf was kind of expected.
overall this nerf wasnt very substantial. But its not to disregard the recoil on both guns, is quite Big.
This is why they do it. It keeps you playing to level up the next gun.
Why does the moment I get a gun maxed out, they nerf it and I have to level up the new meta gun and repeat this process x50
I came to this conclusion a while ago and it's why I never bother any more. I found some guns I like and learn to use them well even though they aren't top "meta" e.g. RAM-7
Bullfrog didn’t need a nerf
50rnds no ads penalty easy recoil fast movement was a really good gun
Yeah it was good but I don’t think it was over powered
it had an advantage over every other gun in its category with no clear disadvantage. a nerf wasn’t undeserved imo.
PPSH with 71 round mag and GRU suppressor has the same ADS as a no attachment Bullfrog lmao
Yea the ads will be felt. Probably the biggest nerf. Will hurt in those fights where you see somebody at the same time close range
It absolutely did not have a TTK advantage
i didn’t say it had a TTK advantage. its advantage was that it did not require a mag attachment to be viable.
It does though. Once you land that headshot, which is easy to do, it deletes pretty quick. Fire rate is solid despite what people say
Admitedly the nerf was quite light - and totally in place.
I noticed it had the number 1 pick rate yesterday. I’ve been using the bullfrog forever now… how disappointing.
Same buddy, same.
On console the AK recoil nerf isn't that bad you can feel it but it's still controllable unlike the c58
Why in the goddamn fuck are they continuing to REDUCE the recoil the krig has…?
They absolutely destroyed the gun in the last update, theyre just trying to make it not hot garbage i suppose.
it had too much recoil after the second adjustment, it was quite useless.
Too much recoil? Are we sure…I used it after the update and it’s still much of a laser.
three updates to the krig recently.
one damage nerf + recoil buff after which it was a literal laser beam akin to the kilo at peak.
then one recoil nerf, that was very serious from the few mins i used it. it was usable, but if i wanted high recoil and low damage i’d pick the mg82 which at least shoots fast.
now this attachment buff. haven’t used it since but i imagine it’s more usable now, but not meta again.
It’s still a laser by any standard. The noob choice, if you will. I wish it had marshmallow damage honestly
It does have marshmallow damage at range. Only useful when you see a guy first at not too far out
Fuck I’ve been using the gallo since the integration
Sleight of hand
Thank me later, Even gallo users are shocked what hit them
Torrent wrecks movement speed completely. Gun is slow enough already.
Its quite alright without drum mag
I already use the jak12 I just preferred the gallo. It’s range was absolutely crazy I was outgunning smgs at 10m
It had it coming, lets be honest, but Jak is even better now considering the fact that competition is out
Anyone try the bullfrog yet? I won’t be home until tonight and curious if it’s noticeable.
The recoil nerf of the bullfrog in the "bug fix" section is quite big. Its recoil feels much more.
Oh shit that’s not good. Just got the gold Camo lol. Now I might have to use undergrip which slows it down even more. This is a big nerf
Cant find that part?
It's on the other tweet right above, last picture of the tweet
True mentioned in the text bubble.
Quite big = at least 300%. It's double of MAC 10 now.
how bad did the bullfrog get hit? that gun was my baby in this game.
EM2 and MW Aug 32 rounds 9mm
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