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spmartin1993

Can the Big Ten now call themselves the Western Conference again with the new additions?


ChipperPowers

Fuck you and take your upvote


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spmartin1993

Th3 W35t3rn C0nf3r3nc3


boltswinagain

The Non-SEC Conference NSECC


LightOfTheElessar

The "Non South Eastern Conference Conference "?


boltswinagain

Yes


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HorcruxDestroyer

How do you crown a champion?


KCMOresident

Ohio State


KeThrowaweigh

B1G nabs all the OSU's and puts one in each division. OSU with the worst record at the end of the season is eliminated; the remaining two play for the title. Winner gets the "THE" trademark.


EntrepreneurDry821

I hate all the expansion going on, but this I could agree with!


Mr_War

Regardless of realignment bullshit this should just happen. Each team should schedule each other every year and the best record wins "the" trademark. For ties, they play an extra exhibition game that is not required for the players because of course many of them would opt out but the ones that want the trademark would stay. That would make it worth it.


followthebreadcrumbs

This is the best way I've seen so far.


Sorge74

This guy made me laugh, it's all so simple.


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Quick someone bankroll a few tattoo parlors in Columbus.


JohnCalvinCoolidge

It seems entirely fair and reasonable


ram944

Well that was easy.


harley_93davidson

this is the big ten way. please ignore my conference, thanks


SueYouInEngland

Fucc Ohio State


Unique_Feed_2939

This guy B1Gs!


Small-Bridge3626

Three division champs next best record (highest ranking tie breaker) makes a nice 4 team playoff for conference champ


HorcruxDestroyer

And then vs SEC for national champ? Basically an 8 team playoff. That could work.


error_undefined_

By the current rules, wouldn’t that require forfeiting a regular season game?


Small-Bridge3626

Current rules are out the window soon


pyrogeddon

3 way football


Slpry_Pete

Hexagon field.


runningwaffles19

Chinese ~~checkers~~ football


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HorcruxDestroyer

Big 12 has entered the chat.


ram944

2 true champions.


kinglallak

You play three halves. One against each other team. The team with the highest point differential wins so running up the score matters.


OGdunphy

It don’t matter, they’re making money.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Make the division’s informal for scheduling purposes only and just take top 2 for the championship game?


StevvieV

Don't think you can have 20+ teams and only take the top-2. Schedules would be way too unbalanced and ease of multiple teams tying without a clear tie-breaker Go to 4 divisions in the conference and have a 4 team playoff for the conference championship


wilkergobucks

Everyone plays everyone. 19 game regular season…


boltswinagain

Who can hang more points on Ohio State?


winterharvest

Dogfight football. In jeans.


Chupacabra_herder

Yea people are too stuck on clean divisions. You can just do no divisions and do scheduling tricks like the ACC just did with 3-5-5. Once you think out of the box it all can work.


RheagarTargaryen

Ultimately, I think ND, Washington, and Oregon end up in the B1G. Just makes too much sense for all parties involved. The 4th team is going to make it really interesting. Stanford is the obvious choice from an academic and ND courting perspective. UNC is a great choice with opening up the research triangle to the B1G and making a small incursion into the south. GT would give us access to the Atlanta market and also incursion into the south.


Spartanwildcats2018

Tbh I’m ruling out most ACC teams and assuming they’re the final domino outside of ND. Unless the Big Ten pulls something so insane that we’re left with our jaws on the floor.


JWWBurger

New divisions: ACC, PAC-12, B1G.


The_H2O_Boy

Maybe not so obvious: Instead: The Atlantic Coast The Pacific The Original 10 That's subtle /s


harley_93davidson

as a more traditionalist kind of guy, if maryland is in the acc division it would be a silver lining


TigerExpress

Vanderbilt to the Big 10 confirmed!


V1LLA1N

Would bang. They’d fit better and NW needs a playmate.


OSU725

Hey, every few years NW has a winning football team.


Michiganlander

\*Crosses fingers for a Canadian team\*


BulldogBuckeye

If that means I can pick up a B1G streaming package in Canada, I’m in


rcjlfk

I think ACC teams are numbers 21-24. My dream: B1G picks up ND, UO, UW, Stanford right now. Next go around when the ACC dissolves they pick up UNC, UVA, GT, and the wild card, Kansas. A boy can dream.


runningwaffles19

Goddamn basketball sounds fun


rcjlfk

In the future world where the P2 have sucked up all the money football can offer they'll turn to milking money from basketball. March Madness makes a BILLION dollars in a month. So while Kansas is screwed so long as football reigns supreme, once the NCAA is gone and the P2 create a replacement for the tournament we'll become a hot commodity.


cystorm

Basketball tournament without mid-majors is worth much, much less


ElJamoquio

So much less fun, I concur (as a fan of a team that usually doesn't get invited anyway)


usedtobefunny1

I think you are correct with your assessment of 24 teams, but I think your ACC schools are a bit off. I think UVA, Duke, and UNC get invites. Cal being the fourth school. (6 west coast teams)


pro_nosepicker

I agree. Long term I see 24 teams with 6 along the West coast, probably four pods of 6 teams.


Spalliston

No, see, I need Cal and GT to both survive this somehow.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Think the fourth is either Stanford or Cal.


BettsBellingerCaruso

Wtf are they gonna do with their rivalry game jfc From what I’ve seen that’s the one game that all the nerds in both schools that normally don’t care about football go to


DarkLegend64

Be a non-conference game I guess. With Stanford being in the same conference as ND, they wouldn't need to use a non-conference slot on them anymore so they can use it on Cal.


BettsBellingerCaruso

Let's hope that is the case Honestly I just feel shitty for the Beavs They just demolished their stadium and are building a new one too JFC


VisionGuard

Jesus, our *non-conference game* will be Big Game in this scenario. Dystopia, hear my wail.


GoCardinal07

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina, and Georgia-Georgia Tech are all non-conference archrivalry games.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

The same thing that happened to the Border War and Texas vs A&M ? I do wonder if Cal is working the phones with UCLA rn calling in every favor they can….


BettsBellingerCaruso

Fucking horseshit tbh for everyone including the Aggies too I guess it's also b/c I spent time in a college that doesn't care about football normally and only about the H-Y game, but idk it just feels so wrong that Cal and Stanford might not be playing each other every year. Especially b/c that rivalry isn't just about football - Probably the best public school in the US in terms of admissions & research vs. a top 3 school in the nation - there's a LOT of resentment with each other there East bay vs Silicon Valley


CityBoy1989

Thank you. This is something people who aren't familiar with The Bay seem to get or want to get.


BettsBellingerCaruso

Look I'll be the first to admit that the Harvard Yale rivalry is like 2 trust fund baby siblings insulting each other somewhat ironically. At the end of the day it's a narcissism of small differences that is behind the rivalry Berkeley and Stanford though while both are renowned academically, the student body and the character of each school are just different. UC Berkeley aka Cal is a public university, has 31k undergrads and 45k total enrollment - and when you consider the size of California, for a public school this is on the smaller side. But Stanford, first of all is private, has 15k total students, with 6.3k undergrads. [But as Stanford Daily noted, at least as of 2017, there were more students at Stanford who came from families with over $630k (Top 1% in income) in income than students from families with $65k in income (aka bottom 60%) and below - despite a generous FA package that is](https://stanforddaily.com/2017/06/03/how-income-inequality-stacks-up-at-stanford-2/?curator=MediaREDEF) [About 4% of Berkeley students come from $630k+ income families, and roughly 1/3 of its students come from bottom 60% income](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-berkeley#:~:text=The%20median%20family%20income%20of,4.9%25%20of%20students%20at%20U.C.) Stanford is 32.4% White, 18.1% Asian, 11.2% Hispanic/Latino, 6.14% 2 more more races, and 4.19% Black Berkeley actually has an Asian plurality - 30.6%, then 25.4% White, 16.3% Hispanic/Latino, 5.5% 2 or more races, and 2.4% Black Berkeley definitely is more middle class than Stanford, though it's median income is still $119k And Berkeley accepts a lot of excellent transfer students who went to community college to either save money or just are late bloomers academically, while Stanford accepts only like 30 transfer students per year. There's real resentment from this even though both are excellent schools, and then the fact that the excellent students in Berkeley probably could have gotten into Stanford by academics alone, as well as the East Bay vs. Palo Alto thing, as well as the fact that Berkeley is an Asian plurality and also has a lot of Latino students adds another layer to it as well Very much different from some of the other rivalries which may just be a football rivalry


CityBoy1989

I'm a Bay Area native (who grew up a Pac-10 fan) and a Big Ten graduate. I knew this would come eventually, but I was hoping all six of the coastal schools would make it. I'm horrified, despite not being a Cal Alum (granted I used to work at Cal), that there's a real threat of one or both Bay Area schools not making it.


Unique_Feed_2939

A lot of teams play during rivalry week that aren't in the same conference.


GoCardinal07

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina, and Georgia-Georgia Tech are all non-conference archrivalry games that take place every year.


The_H2O_Boy

>I do wonder if Cal is working the phones with UCLA rn calling in every favor they can…. UCLA hanging up on them until they agree to be called UC-Berkeley


mussentuchit

Based on Gene Smith's presser I think UW will be in. He specifically called out LA, Texas, and Washington as places Olympic sports regularly travel to and said travel isn't that big a deal. The Seattle TV market is nothing to sneeze at. Also, part of the reason Rutgers and Maryland got in was Penn state feeling like they were on an island. No way you stop at 2 West coast schools. I think 4 minimum.


crisping_sleeve

At the presser, the OSU prez (who has 3 degrees from Stanford) was talking up the whole Intel / silicon heartland (ick) stuff. Stanford is very in the mix. Why mention Bay Area stuff if they're not?


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albusdumblederp

I think the betting favorite for what happens next is ND, Washington, Oregon and Stanford coming. BIG gets ND + Seattle, Portland/Nike, and Bay Area, and those teams obviously stay in the top tier of CFB. Any other teams, I think, only happen if they make a strategic decision that they want to be the rules of College Basketball as well - in which case they'd probably snatch up...Kansas/UNC/Duke and either Cal or Virginia?


boxman151515

My guess in that scenario is that the fourth team would be Stanford, with Cal as a back-up. Would make travel less onerous for the west coast teams. North Carolina makes a lot of sense, but I do wonder if UNC wants to bring along Duke with them to preserve that rivalry.


boltswinagain

UNC would likely be *hellbent* on staying with Duke, but those two are in a unique spot. They're not the only ones at play with themselves. It's rare that schools package themselves in odd numbers, but the Carolina Triangle is one such case. I can't see them ditching NC State so easily.


YaYaHero

I used to say that about CA teams in PAC-12 - that USC will never leave PAC-12 without UCLA, Cal, and Furd… I’m dead wrong. Don’t be so sure. Nothing is certain anymore.


bearcatgary

There’s no loyalty in any of this. It’s each school for itself.


Unique_Feed_2939

I can. I didn't even know the who the 3rd part of the triangle was until I read NCS. They can always play NCS in the non conference.


LordOfHorns

Make the 4th team NDSU you cowards


Unique_Feed_2939

No one wants to be beaten up by Bison on a regular basis.


Minneapolitanian

Stanford also for soldifiying California and the Bay Area market for the B1G.


SparseSpartan

I don't think GT has much pull in Atlanta despite being in the city. If UGA were in the ACC and of similar stature as it is right now, I'd imagine semi trucks stuffed with cash would be en route from Chicago to Athens.


ElJamoquio

> Stanford is the obvious choice from an academic and ND courting perspective. ND gives nationwide presence, sure, but doesn't guarantee any specific media market payments. I'd argue that ND is there for Stanford rather than the other way around.


snowwwaves

Stanford gets the first look, then Utah and Arizona. I think Stanford gets in because of academics and the ND connection, but Utah would be a great pickup.


TallahasseeNole

You spelled Florida State wrong Please let us in :(


boltswinagain

Bruh go to the SEC. You'd likely be joined by at least Clemson, and in all likelihood Miami as well.


jmsturm

You guys will have a soft landing in the SEC


e8odie

As stupid as this all is, if 20 is the number we're aiming at... - Big Ten adds: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Notre Dame - SEC adds: Texas, Oklahoma, Florida State, Clemson, ...and what 2 after that? **EDIT**: of these responses, Miami/VT or OkSt/TTU are my favorites


BernieDurden

Probably North Carolina and Virginia is my guess.


inspector_pepper

I’d imagine Miami and Georgia Tech


Sorge74

I assume the SEC also takes Miami, and hmmmm fuck idk Utah?


UteFlyersCardJazz

Noooo! Take us! When I die, I want it set in stone that we went undefeated against Alabama.


Bren12310

From what I can piece together, Washington and Oregon are put in contingency with the B1G that it will only happen if ND is on board. ND is reportedly very close to being on board.


jmsturm

I read it much more like the B1G telling them "don't call us, we will call you"


Bren12310

Yes. They said they will talk to ND, not Oregon and Washington. ND seems to be the red button here.


jmsturm

Oh, 100%. B1G is still pining after ND like an old high school sweet heart all these years later. If ND wants in, they get in


heavydhomie

The Big 10 would be happy to pay the ACC to take ND if they decide to join us.


B1GFanOSU

It depends on who’s post from which contact you go by. I’ve read a few things.


AlexisDeTocqueville

My guess is simply that Notre Dame has already talked to the B1G and Washington and Oregon are just beginning their outreach. So the B1G's message to UW and UO is basically, "Chill, we need to research you a bit first and conduct a straw poll of our members"


TigerExpress

Wildcard to consider: if the Big 10 ends up with an odd number of members and needs one more, Missouri has no buyout from the SEC except paying back the COVID advance on conference revenue share. Doubt Missouri would turn down an opportunity to move to the Big 10, even if the SEC has been good for them.


runningwaffles19

>Missouri has no buyout Sounds like grounds for Mizzou to get a bowl ban


jimmyarr127

Never gets old, still laughed out loud


jmsturm

The B1G told Mizzou no last time this happened


TigerExpress

Yes, but the landscape has changed quite a bit since then. I'm not saying they're a target, I'm saying they're a slot filler, if needed, that has the right attributes for the Big 10.


jmsturm

There is a list of 10 schools that would be higher on the filler list


Pillowtalk

Kansas fans might commit mass suicide if that happens. Also, I know a school out in West Texas that would love to take their place


JimLaheysDrink

UTEP?


Pillowtalk

I mean, I wouldn’t even be mad if that happened


ralphhurley3197

Sum Ross and UTPB going what the hell how about us if you’re gonna take UTEP?


nickbechtel

Imagine the seething rage if Kansas goes nowhere while Mizzou joins the Big Ten AND the SEC.


V1LLA1N

Yeah, no, we good. You guys can keep mizzou.


Nophlter

Yep, suddenly I’m against the B1G expanding more


peasant_account_3000

Before the end of the weekend, Washington, Oregon, and ND will be joining the B1G. Then a scramble for a 20th member begins, and I'm expecting it to be Stanford, UVA, or UNC. Edit: alright, end of the weekend prediction was wrong. Oh well. I still think I'm correct with the schools.


J-Dirte

ACC is the next round. SEC and Bug Ten will carve them up together. Just will have a fight for UVA and UNC.


grrgrrtigergrr

Damn bugs


clarkr10

Stanford has been oddly quiet during all this. I think they’re done playing this power grab game. They are an elite and rich university with or without football…


Geaux2020

The quiet ones always have a plan. I doubt Stanford is just taking a long weekend at the vineyard and not worrying about the future of the program. Something is afoot.


clarkr10

Possibly. But they could also just be “over it”. Not many schools are in a position like Stanford. They will be elite, relevant and rich as a University with or without football…they don’t have to care. There is no reason Stanford can’t run their athletic dept like Ivy League schools. In fact, being a P5 team waters down their academics because they lower the standard for athletes. This could be the time for them to just stop all this BS. Stanford is in a unique position they can literally say “f*ck this money grab BS, I’m out”.


IAmNotKevinDurant_35

Maybe for football and basketball, but they're one of the most successful schools at the other sports. 2nd or 3rd all time in total championships iirc. So they certainly do care about being great at athletics. Idk how them going independent or joining a new conference affects their water polo or track and field or baseball programs but Stanford will care


bearcatgary

Actually #1 in total team championships and #1 in individual championships. But who is counting.


IAmNotKevinDurant_35

Oh shit nice job, trees. I know us, ucla, and stanford are all way up there, thought Cal State LA was #1. Glad to know they're not


clarkr10

Yea that’s what I said….run it like the Ivy League schools…


IAmNotKevinDurant_35

The ivy leagues dont give out athletic scholarships. I dont think stanford can go that route and still compete in the other sports


vette_fan87

Stanford lowers the academic standards for athletes? I thought the opposite was true. Which was one of the problems I thought they had with getting early commitments


clarkr10

Yes they lower the standards…but those reduced standards are still high relative to most other schools, which is what causes the recruitment issue.


finsfan1030050

I don’t think you understand how hard it is to get into Stanford. If they didn’t lower standards they would struggle to win a game every 10 years. Look up the cal tech basketball team to see what I mean. They don’t lower standards and they lost 310 straight games vs d3 schools…


Unique_Feed_2939

I mean, they are definitely at their vineyard for the holiday weekend too. But they have all the latest communication and google gear out there.


KeThrowaweigh

UCLA and USC were both completely silent until they suddenly were leaving to join the B1G. I wouldn't rule anything out.


clarkr10

Stanford is not USC or UCLA. They don’t need football, and it is actually a hinderance to their academic prowess. I explained further below in this thread.


heavydhomie

They are using their big brains to out maneuver us all


huskiesowow

I thought the ACC members are basically tied until 2036.


Geaux2020

Not if everyone just leaves the ACC. Their media deals are so bad compared to the P2, it's masochism to keep going.


hojo12588

They would presumably need a majority of votes (8) to disband. And even then it might be complicated if the bylaws say they can't. I'm not sure they have 8 votes. ND, Clemson, UNC, UVA, FSU, Miami would all vote to disband. They'd need two more from probably Georgia Tech or Duke (Big Ten), or Louisville or Virginia Tech (SEC), but I don't think it really passes a cost-benefit for the Big Ten to add either Duke or GT or the SEC to add either Louisville or VT. So I think it's actually unlikely the ACC disbands in the next couple years.


Potential-Video-7324

That's just it. The B1G and SEC would have to work together to split up 8 teams. Unless the Big 12 wants to sneak in on this too and become the third mega conference. I just don't see that happening until the PAC is dissolved


mathwrath55

Would they? I don't see it as a likely possibility, but I think there's a tiny chance the SEC eats the top of the ACC wholesale- ESPN has the rights on both and might find a way to get it done. ND->B1G; Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA, NCST, VT, GT (or something similar)->SEC?


jmsturm

Yeah, why would the B1G help the SEC land 3 or 4 huge teams? Better to let the ACC be then to push any of them towards the SEC


Busta_Memes

I don’t think ND could vote on that. So you’d also need one more.


rcjlfk

There are schemes being plotted by Redditors to get out of it. UVA or UNC by end of the weekend? That's to quick. Several months of back channel discussions to undermine the integrity of the ACC and vote to dissolve the league, maybe?


peasant_account_3000

I don't think team 20 will be done before the end of next month.


forgotmyoldname90210

They are. There are not 8 votes to dissolve the conference when there is only 1 school that has a 100% no-question landing spot in the P2. When there are 5 schools that have 0 chance of landing in the P2 (Pitt, BC, WF, GT, Louisville) and another 3 that have to think they are less than 20% (Duke, NCST, VPI) and most of the rest are under 50%.


Sorge74

It's starting to seem like it'll be Standford.


boltswinagain

The ACC is a fucking powder keg that... I think both the SEC and B1G are salivating at cracking the ACC open, but neither one wants to fire the first shot. You've got names like Clemson, Florida State, UNC, Duke, and the school that both shocks and saddens me that so few people are mentioning, Miami. It'll be Stanford.


boltswinagain

The fact that Notre Dame sits at the heart of it, with *zero* mention of Stanford, doesn't add up for me. Stanford has to be somehow involved if Notre Dame is in serious talks to not be independent.


dmaul1978

That’s just a given as if ND, Oregon and Washington are added they aren’t going to stop at 19 teams. Stanford can be the final “if you join we’ll add another old rival for you” carrot to get ND to sign on. Then they have all their major rivals other than BC and Navy in conference with them. And with an 8 or 9 game conference schedule pretty easy to just play one or both OOC every year I’d think as you know those schools want that match up every year they can get it and it’s less headache than negotiating rotating opponents while still keeping what should be wins most years on the OOC slate.


boltswinagain

Yeah. Using Stanford as leprechaun bait makes it that much easier for the B1G to justify adding Stanford. Navy would be an easy slot into ND's OOC picture. I... don't really think the ND-BC rivalry is one that matters to the B1G, gonna be honest. I'm *certain* the B1G is looking at the ACC and salivating. The SEC for sure is too. Hell, even the Big 12 is probably sizing the ACC up. But... Boston College? That seems awfully *bleh* to be a primary target for them.


dmaul1978

No I meant that ND would probably be happy to be in a league with all their old, main rivals other than Navy and BC as they can just schedule those two OOC as often as they like. There’s zero chance BC (or NAVY) join the BIG 10.


Bloody_Hangnail

ND will definitely demand to play Navy every year, BC is disposable


dmaul1978

They are. But OOC scheduling is a pain so having a couple regular OOC opponents is nice and easier to do with USC, Stanford, Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue in conference and not need to be regular or cycled OOC opponents anymore as they are now with the 5 ACC games eating up slots. If it’s a 9 game conference schedule you only need to fill one slot a year, so probably Navy every year and BC every so often to hit the Boston market exposure and still allow two OOC games to hit different areas (and one is probably a tune up cup cake anyway). If 8 conference games, maybe Navy and BC every year since you’d still have 2 slots to fit in a tune up/cupcake and other rotating opponent to get more exposure in different areas.


numinos710

From what I can gather, ND fans/alumni don't really care all that much about the Stanford series... Apparently playing Stanford is a relatively recent development. They are much more concerned about keeping a game with Navy than they are with Stanford.


boltswinagain

Navy has shown zero signs of not staying independent. Fitting them into one of Notre Dame's OOC games solves that problem. Stanford brings way more to the table for the conference. Big Ten wants a literal crown jewel for its academics? Stanford is as good as it gets. Big Ten wants to stake a claim to the Bay Area market? Stanford > Cal. Big Ten wants to bring some athletic juice - *especially* in women's athletics? Stanford. Big Ten wants to make it that much easier to recruit Notre Dame? Stanford.


YaYaHero

I agree on all points except Stanford > Cal for the Bay Area market. In general, Stanford and Cal grads just aren’t into football. As for the Bay Area market, anecdotally, I see a lot of BigTen alumni working in big tech.


Unique_Feed_2939

Thats not what I hear.... Stanford is a much more fun away game than Navy. Although both are cool.


IrishHog09

Stanford was added to allow us to always have a game on the west coast in the years that USC plays at ND. Helps for making A national recruiting base and allows ND coaches to recruit out there


boltswinagain

Join the B1G. Bring Stanford with you. Problem solved.


IrishHog09

No argument from me


The_Magic

I'm currently rooting for as many PAC teams to join as possible so we could keep some kind of traditional Rose Bowl festivities.


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The dam has been broken, so to speak. Regardless of what Notre Dame does, I think Oregon and/or Washington will be trickier to add due to the ramifications it has on their in-state counterparts in the Pac-12. I feel sad thinking that decades of history and stability in the Pac-12 have been upended in the blink of an eye though


Unique_Feed_2939

LOL. OSU and WSU aren't preventing those schools from greener pastures.


B1GFanOSU

If Washington, Oregon, and ND join, the fourth is going to be Stanford.


Fixingyoursituation

I hate what’s happening so much.


runningwaffles19

Is this an unpopular opinion because I thought I was the only one not excited


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I think it’s less excitement and more morbid fascination. That and some people really like making maps and tables of hypothetical conferences (myself included)


GrilledCyan

I’m excited in the most objective definition of the word. It’s new, it’s weird. It’s happening, so might as well try to enjoy it.


StrudelB

I need regular Michigan-Notre Dame back in my life so I say fuck it do whatever it takes.


GrilledCyan

Like if you had asked me last week if I wanted to see MSU play USC and UCLA, I’d have been very enthusiastic about it. I still am, but it’s also very weird. I’ll reserve judgement until I see how this shakes out and how we do scheduling.


PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS

I dislike what it means for CFB. But I’m excited to play these two more


CTeam19

You are definitely not. Because I don't like it one bit.


BirdSoHard

No this shit sucks. Super depressing.


Pleasant_Hatter

I'm numb at this point. Remember when this happened to the Big 12 and others were happy.


Notverybright1

At the end of the day, I don’t enjoy watching too 20 teams crush g5 schools in the non conference 4 weeks a season. Give me 10 conference games with a higher percentage being national brands / good teams. Let teams win the conference with two losses. If anything it adds parity. Wouldn’t you rather see Ohio state and Oregon and ND playing every year in conference? Instead of just the same 4 teams winning it all we may actually get a better product week in and week out


soeasyakamancandoit

You mentioned ND in the mix and now I want some Chex mix.


Spartanwildcats2018

You’re the Chex to my mix.


AlexisDeTocqueville

I'm not quite sure I understand why we're waiting on Notre Dame before considering Oregon and Washington. Everything I have read about their national brands, their TV markets, their academic quality makes me think that Oregon and Washington are great targets and I'd want them regardless of what Notre Dame chooses.


Spartanwildcats2018

We might be at a point where they lower the revenue split. Or Notre Dame may have someone else in mind.


AlexisDeTocqueville

I suppose, but my estimation would be that they are going to be at least break even and would pull their own weight.


pro_nosepicker

I agree and there simply has to be multiple more west coast teams for this to work out for UCLA and USC


SparseSpartan

I think ultimately Oregon and Washington get snapped up either way. ND might drag their feet, but so what? The best move is still snagging them, and probably Stanford. Stanford's football program is solid and it's friggin Stanford, their academic brand is perhaps the best in the country. Snag those three and you practically force ND's hand. They might jump to the SEC (highly unlikely), they might try to stabilize the ACC (they probably want to but also probably can't on their own). B1G is the most likely outcome. The B1G will want the the south, and I think that means pushing hard for Clemson, Florida State, UNC, and someone. Maybe Duke if that's the only way to get UNC. Maybe Virginia or Virginia Tech. The SEC will compete for the above schools. Florida might try to freeze out Florida State but I doubt it at this point. Miami probably gets into the SEC. We're going to end up with two Super + conferences and one Super-Lite conference that makes up the best of the rest. I'm guessing the Super Light Conference goes for quantity since they can't go for quality. The Big 12 probably forms the nucleus but we'll end up seeing most of the P5 programs not invited into the SEC plus a handful of other big programs put into a giant conference that will form its own mini playoff via conference championship games.


Glaurung86

Big Ten² coming soon. They'll need to add a Florida team, Washington and maybe Boston College to cover the four corners of America.


rcjlfk

Mods will be here in 3..2..1.. But I think if they expand more its only ND and UO this year. Edit: I am genuinely shocked mods didn’t delete this thread like they’ve deleted every other discussion.


sjmahoney

I blame the Big East for starting this shit back when all their basketball coaches dynamited their conference for paychecks. I hate it. Conferences are meaningless. It's like now there is Div I-A football and it's the SEC and the B10.


hojo12588

Georgia Tech always gets thrown around, but they wouldn't come close to pulling their weight in TV viewership right? I mean I get that it would open up the Atlanta/Georgia market, but how many Tech fans are there in Georgia outside of alums? This is a genuine question as I really have no idea, but it was my understanding that Georgia Tech's fanbase would be well below average in the current Big Ten (behind Minnesota and Indiana, ahead of Northwestern and probably Rutgers, maybe similar to Purdue?).


Spartanwildcats2018

It’s not about Tech fans. It’s about having access to the market. There’s going to be fans of a lot of Big Ten schools in the Atlanta area, or at least people wanting access to the games. The same logic was applied for Maryland and Rutgers


hammahtime8

BIG 10 swipes BC for Boston Media Market and bolsters the northeast and their Hockey conference….. *sarcasm* Boston sports has ruined any juju left to have good college sports 😂


DScum

ND and the B1G reach an arrangement and ND notifies the ACC of their intent to not schedule athletics beyond the 2023 season with the intent of joining the B1G conference. Washington, Oregon and Stanford all apply and are accepted by the B1G conference and will begin play along with the other new entrants in 2024. The B1G moves to 4 pods comprising of 5 teams Pacific, Plains, Midwest, Coastal. In response the SEC will try to poach 4 ACC schools likely Clemson, FSU, Miami and VT/UVA/NC but will not be able to afford the GOR release. In an attempt to get a majority of schools to dissolve the conference they will suggest moving to 24 teams with the B1G adding some combination of UVA/UNC/Duke/GT/Pitt.


Hawkstetter

Big Ten won't add Pitt but the other 4 from the ACC are definitely ones they'd go after in my opinion


V1LLA1N

Pretty clear path forward for the B1G here. Take Dome, Oregon, Washington, and Stanford(or Colorado if Dome doesn’t care about Stanford) right now to get to 20. Then sit down with the SEC and come to an agreement to each take 4 ACC schools which blows up the GOR. B1G then adds Virginia, UNC, GaTech, and Miami. SEC takes FSU, Clemson, NC State, and Duke plus whatever other 4 schools they deem best (probably Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah to expand their footprint west). Then the B1G and SEC leave the ncaa and keep all the money for themselves. Kansas and left behind Texas schools will be big mad and Kstate, WSU, and Oregon St will be big sad. Cal will go D3. People will forget Iowa state ever existed. Louisville fans will do the unthinkable and change allegiance to UK overnight. College president of left behind schools will secretly celebrate as their sports will all drop to club level. The Haves will cash $200M per year checks and Athletes at the 48”in” schools will get seriously paid.


DecisionSimple9883

Username checks out


The_grand_pumba

My opinion: -ND, Oregon, UW and Stanford join the B1G. -UNC, UVA, maybe Duke and maybe couple surprise teams in the south flee to the B1G -Clemson, Miami and/or FSU, VT, NC State and maybe GT go to the SEC -The rest go to the Big 12 Wake Forest and Duke are the interesting ones. I could see them going independent in football and then just joining the Big East in basketball. Duke has a massive brand though, so that may be enough pull for them to go the B1G.


SizzleMop69

I can see ND asking for Stanford.


cmgriffith_

I could too. That’d mean they’d have all their traditional opponents in 1 conference Purdue, USC, Michigan State, Michigan, Stanford the only one they’d really be missing is Navy


CrinerBoyz

Notre Dame is the lynchpin for the dam bursting and everyone making their moves now. If they decide no for now, I think there's a chance the B1G and SEC stay at 16 at least for a few years. Everyone would get used to the 16 team model and see if it works, the ACC would stay locked up, and the Pac-12 and Big 12 remain on relatively even terrain with the Pac-12 probably backfilling with a few G5 schools. It's mostly status quo for the next few years at that point. If Notre Dame decides to join the B1G though, that crosses the 16 team line and it's all over. We'd see 7 to 15 additional schools make the jump to the B1G and SEC. Pac-12 gets raided, ACC gets raided, Big 12 gets raided, 2 superconferences form and the leftovers cobble together something. Absolute chaos in FBS.


withurwife

What makes you think we won’t fake a Statue of Liberty on Michigan and go to the SEC?


benicityofgod20

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Duke, Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, Cal, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, VTech. Kick out Nebraska for Kansas.


Jamesatwork16

I just don't see how Oregon and Washington get left by the Big 10. That's leaving large dominos on the table when we know the future is basically two super conferences. I'd say the SEC is out of the question for them but it wouldn't be difficult for the SEC to scoop up a few CT, MT, and PT schools to make a west of west division much more hospitable.


albusdumblederp

The end game of 4 pods of 6 teams, where adding each of these makes some sense for both sides: UCLA/USC/Cal/Stanford/Oregon/Washington on the West Coast Minnesota/Nebraska/Iowa/Wisconsin/Illinois/Northwestern Ohio State/Michigan State/Michigan/Indiana/Purdue/Notre Dame Penn State/Rutgers/Maryland/Virginia/UNC/Duke


dmaul1978

IMO, as I’ve said in other threads, the BIG should just add Oregon and Washington now. Drives the league prestige and value up even further and make it even more enticing for ND to join, with their old rival Stanford as team 20. Then they have to decide whether to stay at 20 and have 5-team pods or go to 24 and 6-team pods. If the ultimate aim is for the SEC and BIG to grow and expand, that also puts pressure on the SEC to expand sooner than later. They probably aren’t going to want to stay at 16 while the Big is 20-24 teams. So you could see them maybe combining with the Big 12 and BIG to find a home for all current ACC teams to encourage that league agreeing to dissolve and ditch the GOR as they all have landing spots that pay them more than the crappy ACC media deal their stuck with for ages.