By - CFB_Referee
Hello everyone! I am covering the Orange Bowl this evening. Feel free to ask me any questions here.
Come on Kirk, Dallas also drafts lots of white receivers lol.
Notre dame holds them to a field goal AGAIN. OFFENSE PLEASE DO ANYTHING
Does Hutchinson stock drop after UGA game? Im too biased to make that call.
Given that his stock can't go up (he's at the top of most big boards), I think his stock has to drop a bit.
Trying to be neutral, he was very ineffective against Georgia last night. Georgia may have schemed around him, but even when he had the opportunity to make plays, he failed to.
Maybe a little. Dawgs LT Salyer just secured 1st round pick
I know I talk a lot of shit about UofM and hate them, but Harbaugh is a seriously underrated coach. I’ve never understood why so many people, Including fans of random teams say he should be fired. He’s a genuinely elite coach and I do respect his quirkiness. Still hate UofM though
Anyone who thinks Harbaugh should be fired either had wildly inappropriate expectations of him coming in, or doesn’t understand the value he brings.
If Harbaugh had lost to OSU again this year, he very likely would've been fired. Idk if he is elite at the college level considering he's only won one big ten championship and zero natties and has only beat his major rival once. And that's the problem. Being elite is different than being good. He got hired at Michigan expecting to bring home titles. He hasn't done it. And he has only won 1 NYE bowl in the timespan as well.
Michigan isn’t as good of a job as people think.
The truly elite teams the past 10 years, Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia all sit in recruiting goldmines. UofM doesn’t have that natural talent pipeline. Michigan is good high school football but can’t touch the south or Ohio.
UGA and Bama are just on another level right now. UGA is perhaps one of the best defenses in college football in 50 years, and I think most teams would struggle mightily against that team.
I think Harbaugh is a top 10ish coach. Not everyone will agree but that’s my thought
Michigan has consistently been inside and around the Top 10 recruiting classes since 2015 according to 24/7 sports. Have they been as consistent as Bama, OSU and Georgia in that time frame? No. But they're dam close. And there's plenty of other programs in that time frame that have recruited insanely well and still got nothing to show for it really. I agree I do think Harbaugh is a top 10 coach. The problem is he is started in the back half of the top 10 and still hasn't been able to break into the top half of the conversation. At a certain point Michigan athletics wants to compete for a Natty. It's hard to do when your coach hasnt won a bowl game since 2015.
The difference between the top 3 in recruiting to 8 is around the same from 10 to 25. Something crazy how good the top 3 in recruiting is.
Bc he did well this year. If he lost a few more games you would be singing a different tune.
Nah I’ve always felt that way. I love that he struggles against MSU, but if he can consistently win 9 games at UofM that is flat out good, and if he can consistently win 10, that’s great. That’s Oregon / Notre Dame level and that’s really where UofM probably is
Consistent, depending on how you look at it. 12 wins this year, 2 wins last year, 9 wins the year before.
Last year was a complete shitshow. They also gave playing time to literal Joe Milton.
Imo last year is basically a wash. The whole season was broken due to COVID. He's had 4 ten win seasons in 7 years, with two of those being 8 and 9 win seasons. I consider that pretty consistent.
I got into a full blown Reddit argument with a UofM fan earlier today and you know what….I feel good now
Ohio State/Bama fans have been making people sick for years. Michigan managed to start as underdogs and end as the most annoying cocky fanbase of the season all in just one year.
#Let it rip!
don’t think that a Ohio State isn’t the most annoying. So much so that they somehow get amnesia that everyone dislikes them. I’ve never seen a fan base who takes a constant dub get so butthurt over one loss.
Calls out Michigan for living in the past and then does exactly that when they lose. Makes you think
Fire Up Chips!
I will be so upset if I flew to Miami and watched this loss just for Georgia to get blown out by Bama yet again. Go win Dawgs, you deserve this one.
Dawgs ate their soul couldn’t be more happy for the New Year
Last word... How 'bout them Dawgs!
Wow Michigan got it's ass kicked. What a shame. There isn't a bigger whiner in CFB then Harbaugh.He beats OSU in a down year and then he is the greatest coach. One win in a big game in 7 years does not make him a great coach.Especially given how they got worked by Georgia
Bro this is the least Wisconsin thing I have ever seen. The only team a Badger should talk like this about is Minnesota.
Be the bigger fan here please & don't keep kicking the walmart wolverines while they're down.
How'd Michigan State do in their one appearance again?
Both got beat. But that was 5 years ago and this year we beat Michigan and won a NY6 bowl, something Michigan hasn’t been able to say in… 10 years? More?
Winning a NY6 bow against a third string QB isn’t something to hang your hat on. Still waiting on MSU to score in the playoffs though, something Michigan has done
Winning a NY6 bowl is certainly something to hang your hat on, although as a Michigan fan you’ve been able to do that… once in the last 20 years? In fact y’all have won exactly 2 bowl games in the last 10 years, to MSU’s 7.
But good job scoring a garbage time TD against Georgia’s second string after being down 34-3.
Infinitely more points than MSU has scored.
>Infinitely more points than MSU has scored.
Dickbutte, they’ve scored exactly 11 more points, not infinitely more 😂
Look that's great and all (despite the qualifiers you have to put on that NY6 game) but I'm just busting the chops of someone who sounds just a touch too arrogant about their team.
Definitely would have been slaughtered (worse) tonight if Sparty would have somehow won the B1G.
Btw, I didn't think the shin was down.
🎵I’m going out, I’m gonna drink myself to death 🎵
It’s fantastic in your 20s. After that… it’s crap.
It’s actually downright depressing the older you get.
what CFB needs is more limits on recruiting, and restrictions on NIL/transferring in some way to increase parity. while many teams benefit from NIL and the transfer rule, Alabama and the greatest coach ever benefit the most.
Nothing against what Saban has accomplished, it’s better than what any non John Wooden coach has ever done, but under the current model of CFB, there will never be parity.
You're joking right? If players couldn't transfer as freely as they can now, you'd have teams like Bama and Georgia with multiple 5 star QBs. They're still going to transfer to top programs if they're good but not good enough to start but they're still transferring with decreases parity
Although they definitely do need to tweak the portal and nil there will never be parity no matter what as long as players are allowed to choose where they want to go as they should be allowed to. They have tried in the past to limit scholarships and rules but Alabama will find a way no matter what. It’s everyone else who needs to change what their doing instead of trying to slow down Alabama with rules it doesn’t make sense to because those same rules will handcuff everyone else as well.
I thought opening the portal was going to increase parity?
It has. Just not at the very top.
lol at anyone that actually believed that.
Congrats on the win though, and good luck. I think Cincinnati provided something of a blueprint, they just didn’t have the athletes up front. Georgia does.
Sadly Auburn also provided a blueprint; we just ignored it. I’m optimistic though. Kirby is a great defensive schemer, and Insuspect he took his defenses flop in the SEC championship game personally.
NIL just happened? You’re trying to punish the game’s greatest recruiter/play caller just because he’s better?
Idk how you put limits on recruiting other than severe scholarship restrictions.
The top talent is always going to want to go to the blue blood programs rather than other P5 schools - it gives them the best chance to get drafted.
These are kids living out their dream. You can’t put restrictions on where a kid decides to go to college
End the streak, Capture the Dream
Pls UGA win the title!
Rooting for you to get some revenge, Bulldog Bros!
Thanks bro! Happy new years!
Happy New Year to you too!
Lmao they talked so much shit and got wrecked
Holy shit inventing narratives to sleep at night
Gonna sleep like a baby tonight brother
Hahahaha you lost
Meh I went to Vandy for grad school. Thanks brother
I’ll never wear that shit in public though
Props big bro.
You're definitely no walmart wolverine
I mean I went to UM too so I’m not
Why are spartan fans so bent on calling this type of thing out?
Sorry, I was really giving you props.
*every* grad I've ever known is Not a walmart wolverine.
I call them out because they are, in my vast rural Michigan experience, Toxic.
My middle daughter is currently a student too
Gotcha my apologies
Ps, I never call a walmart wolverine Big Bro
Anchor down or something
Pot calling the kettle black lmfao
I'll be honest. I didn't really see that much shit talking from Michigan fans. I saw more shit talking about Michigan from OSU fans than I did from either UGA or UM
Isn’t that what happened to you against Alabama last year?
They made the championship game right?
And um dodged osu last year so I don’t wanna hear anything about last season 😂
Michigan got ruled out of playing in the game because they had players and staff sick. Get out of here with this shit.
Just like that hockey game they dodged the other day?
Me? No I’m not a football player
Damn dude good one. You stay up all night thinking of that?
No I do not want to hear Zubin talk about college football, I turned off the TV. ESPN either needs a real postgame show or they need SVP for tonight. Probably said no because it's NYE
So Michigan could play Alabama in the championship at 1 and 2?
My point was to two best teams made the final because of the 4 team playoff.
Every year there's gonna be 1-3 teams that are just leagues beyond everyone else. With 8 teams at least you might get 1 or 2 entertaining games in the RO8, with 1-2 blowouts. Right now we just get blowouts 65% of the time anyway.
I do miss it. I would’ve been fine with a UM-Alabama title game
Props to admitting you're a loser because you definately are
Yeah Bama vs whomever. Let the best man win.
Yo, how is UGA not getting tickets for their spike squad?
boosters will come through, don't worry
Harbaugh sprinting to an Applebee’s to smash some Salisbury steaks.
… and drown his sorrows in a bottle of milk.
JK. Much respect to his and his teams accomplishments this season.
I’ll be at work for new years, cannot wait to go home and drink but that won’t be till 3 am
Weird seeing one of your comments without an ❌ in it haha
Those kids are fuckers!
Tbh the SEC fans I really hate are the ones who claim to be the best because they play in the conference with the best but then they're a fan of like Vanderbilt or Kentucky or something
Hey we’re good at football now!
Hey I'd be fine with Kentucky being the 2023 national champion.
I have no problem with you being a Kentucky fan. It's only the ones who ride Bama's success to say they're better because of their conference affiliation when it's Saban that's done the hard work
I don’t ever see this.
What I see is a SEC team arguing it’s better than a different team with the same record because they have a higher SOS.
That’s not the same thing.
You’ve never seen a general SEC fan? That’s just not genuine
I’ve seen plenty of people who wear Bama shirts despite never attending Bama and take credit for their national championships, but no, these mythical “general SEC fans” aren’t a thing.
Bruh Georgia did an SEC chant in the orange bowl like....
At this point chanting “SEC” is often done because there’s so much anti-SEC bias from every other conference. Everyone roots against every team from the SEC simply for being in the SEC. It’s this vicious cycle. I enjoy seeing success from the teams in my conference but it honestly feels better to watch the SEC win when the entire rest of the country loves seeing every SEC team lose. FYI-I was at the game and that chant occurred for about 10 seconds in one corner of the stadium (student section) after it was a total blowout and literally everyone in the nation was pulling for a team they likely would not have pulled for if it were against a team from any other conference.
Chanting SEC after you’ve kicked the living shit out of your opponent is not the same as
> ride Bama’s success to say they’re better because of their conference affiliation when it’s Saban that’s done the hard work
Like I get you’re salty bud but come on
Are you quoting me? Because I never posted that NT homie.
All I said is that there are general SEC fans
> ride Bama’s success to say they’re better because of their conference affiliation when it’s Saban that’s done the hard work
> I never see this
> you never see a general SEC fan? That’s not genuine.
Full context homie.
Also nice edit after I’m already responding.
Sorry for getting plopped in a random red state that didn't happen to have a college football blue blood.
I don't hate fans of SEC teams, I hate SEC fans who are fans of bad teams and cheer for the conference instead.
Dude I do not get where this comes from. Sure, if a school I do not care about is playing a team I do not care about is playing I will pull for the SEC team. If it is Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, fuck those guys, unless they are playing an OSU.
Did harbaugh just say this is one of the best Michigan teams ever? lol
It’s darned hard to end a season as a top 5 team. Even the great teams don’t do it that often. Won’t claim this doesn’t suck right now but this was a great season the team should be very proud of
It is so hard to dislike Harbaugh. He's just a good dude and loves his players and Michigan.
I dont hate him but the narrative around him recently has been so annoying
He did a great job with the team this year and he's giving the bonus money he earned to people with the university who lost their wages due to slowdown from the pandemic. He's just a decent dude who coaches at your rival who is a bit weird.
So, I’m hoping they don’t party to hard tonight and fall into Covid protocol
Wait, with that flair who do you go for ?
Good luck in Indy! I suppose I’ll root for y’all
Jim is stroking out
Harbaugh is a great dude
He is a whiner
yeah but he eats hot dogs with a fork and knife
How was Dean not the defensive MVP?
Wtf? Bro you stupid as fuck
That UGA QB just like us bruh living out his dreams. Love to see it
I would like to see JT play, but Stetson winning would make for a great movie someday.