By - mycrx89
If money is no object to you, a reliable Semi-auto (Beretta 1301) is far superior over a pump action for a few reasons. At the end of the day, if you don’t train, you will be just as shit with either :)
mossberg 930 spx is semi auto under 1000. about $750
probably can get the 940 pro tactical for under 1000
I thought the 930 was known as project more than a ready to go gun.
Sounds like the 940 is better and ready:
My 930 runs everything fine
It's a hit or miss from what I understand tho, I got lucky with mine.
Good to know they look fun
This is the right answer
This. A cheap pump will work well, a cheap semi will not.
What if you have both?
I personally prefer a semi-auto. But, semi-auto needs to have high FPS rounds (1300 FPS+). When I ran that, no problem. Lower? Not so good. Pump runs anything.
Mossberg 930 spx runs anything
I have run every type of shell through my 1301 since I got it last year. I wanted to see what would happen during the 200 ish round break in period. It ate everything I gave it. Unlike the Mossberg semis, I have not heard anyone having issues with their 1301. Of course they're out there, like with anything, but I would imagine it is much less likely than a mossberg semi from what i gather. You do have a point that pumps should run anything, even super low brass. 2 things though: 1) if you're running a HD shell, you're likely using a good quality buckshot shell (#4 or 00 is pretty common) which will cycle reliably in a good semi. 2) if you short stroke your shotgun under stress, you're just going to jam or go click with a pump. I personally would trust a reliable machine over my potential error in a situation like that. Haha just my 2 cents
I voted for pump mainly because who knows what ammo someone is loading in some turkish clone, but if you got high brass shells and a Mossberg, beretta, or Benelli…someone is gonna find out.
Nothing beats a quality semi. $1000+
Budget friendly then pump.
Pretty much this. A reliable semi will be better but you’re gonna pay and you’re gonna wanna make sure your defensive ammo cycles perfectly.
If you got the money then buy a nice semi. Otherwise a good pump will not do you wrong. Just don’t short stroke it.
Can you use shotgun shells that are made for targets? They are cheaper to buy where I live. The buckshot and slugs are more expensive.
Defensive ammo is pricey but you only really need one box. Just pony up for it. Especially for shotgun. Make sure your gun feeds good in general. Run one box of defensive ammo to make sure there’s no weird cycling issues and then another box to load up. Replace it every so many years.
For 12 gauge, low recoil defensive buckshot with flight control should be easy enough to find. From my research you don’t need magnum 12 gauge. Low recoil 00 will still blow through any human. Only issue I could see is if low recoil wouldn’t cycle a semi but that’s what you test ammo for.
What do you use for defensive ammo? I use 1300+ FPS buckshot for my semiauto.
I was asking because I want to be able to take it to the shooting range. But only if I can use cheaper type of ammo.
Oh yeah for the range just buy whatever is cheapest. Semi autos might be more picky because of cycling. Do more research about that before buying but pumps will eat anything really.
Dont do that. Get defense rounds, buckshot for example.
Using target rounds against a threat to your life WILL NOT stop the threat.
Bad guy gets shot by target load, proceess to take shotgun from owner and beat him to death with it. 30 min later the bad guy bleeds out. Police find 2 dead bodies.
A shame too because that homeowner just needed a better defensive round 😞
Edit: too lazy to find the article but that really happened. Bird shot kills, but it doesnt stop the threat.
I vote for pump, just because it's your first shotgun. This may get down voted to hell, but I firmly believe in fundamentals and being brilliant at the basics. The fact that you're not familiar with even the loading process tells me that you have a lot to learn. Which isn't a bad thing, we were all there at one point. But just like I wouldn't put a new driver in a corvette, I wouldn't put an autoloader in a new shooters hand. Unsupervised of course.
I would suggest a nice little $600 Mossberg 500 12ga.
I got my little ATI 870 clone for under $150 with tax and dros lol, good little gun to get used to.
I was just throwing a number out there. Pretty sure I bought mine for 300 when I was 18
Sheesh how long ago was that lol
I got that 870 clone like three years ago during a Christmas sale lol
They're 700 now
17 years ago I guess
"You definitely want a pump so that you can rack it real loud to scare off any home invaders."
-Elmer Fudd (probably)
We went pump. Part of it is for the legendary sound all bad guys fear. The racking of a shotgun slide, chambering a round of sure death.
Doesn’t matter which, just what you can pay for
Pump will allow more interchangeability with your rounds but be a bit slower
Semi will have to be set/configured to a certain HD load you have in mind, some will run everything, most won’t (to my understanding)
Either way, both require you to learn a manual of arms that you should get used to
I guess it depends on your budget, but for value I would say pump. They are reliable, and majority of malfunctions are user error (short stroke).
I’d go with pump because who knows how long it will sit next to your bed or in your closet. Racking that pump will knock the dust off and you’ll be good to go. Semi might get gummy if it sits too long.
Reliability is what matters.
If a semiauto can reliably go bang and cycle rounds, then it's hands down the superior choice.
But a pump action is better than a jam-o-matic semiauto, which is what most cheaper semiautos are.
I trust my Benelli m4, though, it's proven itself to fire and cycle everything I feed it, so I wouldn't hesitate to grab it for home defense.
It depends, pump inherently more reliable. A good semi auto is just as good though. The problem is cheaper auto shotguns.
IWI Tavor, 15+1. Reliability and high capacity for a semi auto shotgun.
My Wife agrees.
A handgun is better then rifle
why do people treat semi auto shotguns like there not reliable lmao. I don't see this kind of precaution with semi-auto rifles or handguns. I say save up to a semi, and when it comes to ammo make sure to do basic research on ammo. Just like any other semi firearm, don't get underpowered loads that won't be able to cycle.
I grew up using pump shotguns so I’ve had one. I won’t give away my location racking it. One is in the pipe already 🤷🏽♂️
My first gun ever was a Mossberg 500, over a Remington 870 because I wanted the tang safety over the cross bolt.
I wanted pump because it's pretty damn reliable, like a bolt action rifle. You'll be slower if you need to rapid fire compared to a semi auto, but it's a shotgun and I'm sure you'll shoot fast enough to be effective.
While I think semi auto is technically better, there's nothing like the sound of a pump action to make someone question their life choices 😁
Semi auto is better for putting shots on target quicker but are more expensive. Pump Shotgun are cheaper but you have to pump them and train enough to be comfortable hard pumping them cause if you soft pump which might do in the chaos of the moment you wont seed a round and might cause a jam.
Keep in Mind that shotguns are loud as fuck and it will deafen the shit out of you after firing just once and 00 buck can over penetrate walls.
If you REALLY care about home defense go buy an AR15. Better stopping power, low recoil, less over penetration of walls, faster reloading and rounds on target.
A 556 or 223 round will penetrate far deeper then shotgun rounds unless you are firing a 22lr ar-15.
Racking a pump shotgun can end the need for the HD situation. But I use a semi.
Or let armed home invaders know where you are
People do a lot dumber things, like putting a flashlight on a HD pistol.
I had a Remington 870 pump as my primary HD for years, but recently went back to pistol for the following reason - if someone is knocking at my door... I thought, it could be a cop. Maybe they want to search my yard for a suspect, or maybe informing me of a death. I can't conceal a shotgun, and don't want to get shot in this scenario. Of course everyone else is different but it's something to think about.
AR-15. shotguns are for shooting skeet or hunting birds. its 2022 shotguns are not needed for home defense we have better rifles now.
If you have to live in the past and get a shotgun for home defense get a semi auto.
semi auto has less felt recoil. cant short stroke a semi auto under stress.
What do you think about over-penetration concerns of using rifles in urban areas?
Your first paragraph is chock full of ridiculousness.
Alright but 556 coming out of a 16 inch barrel? There’s bound to be collateral damage, I’d only ever recommend an AR platform pistol for home defense, seriously shotguns are criminally underrated with good training
Mad videos on YouTube of shotguns penetrating just as much as an ar.
Depends on the load. Guess you can say the same for an AR, but the nature of the 556 round was geared towards penetrating
Bullets are meant to penetrate, and can easily penetrate drywall.
Most defensive rounds will not penetrate once they've hit a person, or if they do, would have little energy left. Even basic bitch FMJ 5.56 tends to fragment and stop inside a person. One of the dudes Rittenhouse shot using Agila .223 had an entry shot in the groin and the bullet got stopped in his ass meat, and that was point blank.
So the trick is to not miss, and ARs are pretty good at not missing. Plus very low recoil for what they do, so follow ups shots are easier.
Shotguns overpenetrate too why does everyone think it doesn’t.
Pump. I hear that the racking sound can be a deterrent.
I bet you have tons of lung blowing 9mm ammo.
I do. I also have actual training which keeps me from saying things like “Rack your shotgun”
Since when is "is racking one in" not an acceptable term? I can't keep up with the new lingo I guess. Lol
It’s not the lingo it’s the act of doing it “as a warning”
A maverick 88 pump will be 'sufficient' for any home defense application. It's cheap $250, durable, and reliable.
If you want a semi auto, get a stoeger, cz, beretta, franchi, or benelli.
[Avoid cheap turkish shotgun like charles daly, dickinson, citadel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish_notsodelight_why_you_should_generally/)
If its a 1301 or M2/M4 variant, I think those semis are superior to pumps. However, unless it's a super reliable semi, typically something over $1k (not gimmick ones at that), pump all day. Nothing wrong with a cheaper semi auto, but I wouldn't trust those for HD.
Hard to argue that a reliable semi is a better option in a high stress situation, but it has to be able to work. A super cheap pump will likely work, but I would still prefer something in the $500+ range, not so much the 2-300 range. I'm under the philosophy that anything is better than nothing but if you can save a little more for a solid firearm you should. If it is for HD, it is potentially your life after all.