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Trisky107

Marina never apologized to Colin.


DaisyandBella

Yes! She apologizes to Daphne but then tells Colin she doesn’t owe him an apology. Like WTH.


VermicelliNo176

That irritated the hell out of me


sassylildame

there's actually a very big coalition of people on this sub who love her for that and think that anyone who disagrees is racist. like, imagine lying to someone like that and saying "i don't owe you an apology"


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Yeah no.


happysisyphos

I mean Penelope is literally a vindictive female incel/pick me, yet somehow according to this fandom she can do no wrong and Eloise is the bad one. I guess toxicity is rewarded as long as you're a fan favorite.


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Ok-Meal-4747

Eloise is not a feminist. She ridicules other women for wanting marriage and children such as Daphne. Penelope doesn’t “tear” down women as much as you’d like to believe. It’s not like she wrote those articles about Marina and Eloise because she got a kick out of it, or because “ruining” them made her happy. She wrote what she wrote out of love for the people she cares about. She wanted to protect them. Short term embarrassment is way better than long term suffering. I do believe she could’ve handled the situation in a different way but she’s not perfect. She owes an apology to Eloise for not talking about it to her first, but her motivations were definitely not misguided. That’s not incel behavior, no matter how you try to twist it.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

No she can do wrong. There is gray area here where both were doing wrong. Neither handled the situation well


DaisyandBella

I was just thinking how the kicker is Colin comes to apologize to her in season 2!?


aregularbasicperson

She did apologize to Penelope tho (for what she said to her about Colin)


Trisky107

Yeah but it was Colin who was owed the apology above all others and she not only adamantly refused to, she snapped at him about it more than once.


aregularbasicperson

Yeah I know. She should still apologize to him if she comes back in season 3 and Penelope should also apologize to both of them if she is to make amends.


AsgardianLeviOsa

This is my villain origin story ngl


TheLadyNyxThalia

I just did not like her character. She annoys me. I wonder how the show is going to handle her for future books.


utopian_liner

I just feel like she didn’t really have to? I mean what else is a woman in her circumstance supposed to do? Like Daphne said, her only purpose in life, what she’s been raised to do is to get married and have babies. If she doesn’t do that she’ll be poor and destitute. Besides, she didn’t do anything other than entertain Colin’s courtship and accept his proposal. Maybe I need to watch season 1, but does she even say she loves him or something to his face? Or did she just react like any other debutant vying for a husband?


abynormal808

While I empathized w/Marina's plight, for me it didn't lessen the wrongness of what she was doing to Colin: manipulating and lying to him. Episode 6, about half an hour in, at the Bridgerton/Featherington dinner party, Marina continues to manipulate Colin by painting his family's (re)actions in a negative light, in an attempt to spur him on to action, which he does, by proposing Gretna Green. Colin then says "you hate the idea" to which Marina replies, "I love it...I love you." Did I just re-watch episodes 5 and 6 to find this....yes. 🤷🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤡


Trisky107

She didn’t do anything other than accept his proposal? She purposefully set out to entrap him and emotionally manipulate him to marry her because she knew he’d be trapped and have to take care of her child. Like that’s enough to warrant an apology to him. All he did was have the dumb luck of being the one she chose to manipulate over and over. He never even laid a finger on her and it was his kindness that let her know he was weak enough to manipulate. You might need to revisit S1. Colin is not responsible for society being awful and he was owed an apology for targeting him.


Ok-Meal-4747

I desperately hope Penelope apologizes to Eloise. I need them to make amends asap.


AsgardianLeviOsa

And vice versa


jazzyx26

Agreed. Eloise needs to apologize for ransacking Penelope's room among other things


sassylildame

or for assuming Pen was happy with the idea of being a spinster or never getting married...kind of a fatphobic move there


Signal_Initiative_44

Uh I don’t think that’s fatphobic lol. Eloise has a tendency to be self-centered and just assumed Pen wanted to stay single forever like her.


jazzyx26

>or for assuming Pen was happy with the idea of being a spinster or never getting married... That too.


utopian_liner

That’s gotta be a joke. Eloise uncovered Penelope’s secret identity profiting off of the gossip and ruination of people’s lives—including her own family and *she* is expected to apologize?


jazzyx26

Yes but it gives her NO RIGHT to ransack her friends room. Penelope was out of line but Eloise was too.


utopian_liner

I dunno man. I just feel like when you uncover someone’s crimes you don’t have to apologize for making a little bit of mess along the way. Penelope spent the whole season trying to manage and manipulate Eloise, and then got mad when she realized she couldn’t. I don’t feel an ounce of pity for Penelope.


GCooperE

Oh but you see...but you see...Eloise has to apologise because then..umm..something about not listening to (obeying) Penelope...urrr...Eloise talks too much? She invaded a life ruining gossip monger's privacy? Eloise has to apologise because she has to be in the wrong because if she wasn't in the wrong then Penelope is and Penelope can't be in the wrong, so Eloise has to apologise!


jazzyx26

>. I just feel like when you uncover someone’s crimes you don’t have to apologize for making a little bit of mess along the way I disagree but let's just leave it at.


utopian_liner

No way. Eloise did nothing wrong by comparison. Literally, her “crime” is that she got too close for comfort to uncovering Penelope’s secret operations as Lady Whistledown and didn’t heed Pen’s warnings.


GCooperE

The only thing Eloise has to apologise for to Penelope is trusting her in the first place. If Penelope had a problem with their friendship, Pen should have spoken up. Edit: Downvote me all you like, I'm right :)


happysisyphos

Eloise has nothing to apologize for and she should expose the insipid wallflower's identity to the queen so she can receive her due punishment


Ok-Meal-4747

Eloise needs to apologize for being self-centered, not listening to her when she speaks, lying on multiple occasions, ransacking her room, and being a member bad friend.


Lizzy1283

Anthony told Siena he was sorry, is that the only one? Lol I think it's also that the characters never apologize to the correct person, like Anthony apologized to Mary but never Kate or Edwina


PurpleCatDr

Anthony also apologised to Simon in S1 I think. For shooting at him.


DaisyandBella

Was this before or after he punched Simon in the face, lol.


PurpleCatDr

Oh definitely before. Anthony had alot to apologise for in S1. 🤣 I remember him saying sorry 3 times in S1 but I can't remember the third. Did he apologise to Daphne? Or Colin?


Traditional_Maybe_80

I think sometimes an overt apology isn't always necessary, many times you can communicate you're apologetic without uttering the word 'sorry', but I struggle with the show showing some characters' absolute lack of remorse in certain moments, the biggest for me is the sexual assault.


VermicelliNo176

Same here.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

The main thing is they did not show daphne smart enough to even understand what she did was wrong. They made her ignorant which makes the situation sketchy


nafiastx

what bothered about the end of season 2 was having kate groveling and apologizing for everything that happened while she got nothing except that one scene with mary (which i loved and i’m super grateful for but i still don’t feel like it was enough). i feel like her trauma wasn’t adressed properly, like the fact that she had to overcompensate her whole life because she felt like she had to justify her place in her family, the fact that she thought she deserved less than edwina because mary wasn’t her biological mother, the pressure she was under to keep her family afloat. i wish we could’ve gotten at least one scene where those things could be addressed and she would be able to talk about it in a heartfelt way with edwina or anthony.


Traditional_Maybe_80

Yeah, when Kate wakes up from her coma, she apologizes once again! The last portion of the season was so badly paced that everything was rushed.


Kathony4ever

Mary telling Kate that her and Edwina forgave her pissed me off. Like, for what exactly? For constantly sacrificing herself for them? For daring to have feelings of her own for once? Or, since it was ANTHONY'S feelings that caused the wedding to be called off, maybe they were forgiving her for existing in the first place? Where was their apology to her for ignoring her all season? For taking all of those sacrifices and giving nothing in return? Where was Mary's apology for forcing Kate to become a parent, not just to Edwina, but to MARY? Mary told Kate that it grieved her to think that Kate didn't believe that she deserved all the love in the world. But, where was the apology for BEING THE REASON SHE FELT THAT WAY?


Brilliant_Ad3101

I wanted Kate to apologize to Lady Dansbury for being such a know-it-all brat towards her & for not telling her about her deal with the Sheffields.


abynormal808

My first viewing I was struggling to cheer for Kate in the beginning bc of how rude she was to Lady Danbury. How was LD supposed to know how accomplished the sisters were? Was her cane supposed to double as a mind reading device? LD took the time and means to set up dance, language and etiquette(?) lessons and Kate reacted like an uptight shrew. Her character was seriously giving me vibes of Miss 'Kate' Minola. By the end of episode 3 I was furiously hissing at my screen at Anthony and Edwina😂 and was fully Team Kate.


Bintijua49

TOTALLY PISSED ME OFF and that little heart to hear w Mary and Kate was NOTHING. Evil stepsister and evil stepmother. LD and Violet also did not help Kate. Kate and Simone portraying Kate was BLOCKBUSTER. I think Bridgerton altogether owes Kate and Simone a huge apology. They do not deserve Her. And dont even get me going on Anthony.


bhnguyen20

Violet apologized to Anthony about not being there for him when his father died when she told him Kate was awake.


Bosh221

Apologising is not part of the culture. Especially the upper class. I mean evidence everywhere in current British politics. Pretend it never happened. Or we don't talk about it/that.


Broccoli_and_Cookie

Maybe hardly anyone apologizes because the vast majority of the apologies folks want would either be pace killers or would flat out end up in narrative dead zones. I mean there are *dozens* of apologies that "should" be said on this show if we're following the advice of , but Shondaland does not write perfectly "functional" people. Nor should they, because perfectly functional characters are as boring af. They also are not in the business of creating "schadenfreude" moments for hardcore fans. Characters will get smackdowns that they think will please the casual audience. They are not here for the people who think Anthony and Penelope are irredeemable and deserve to live lonely, horrific lives with no love from anybody. Also, where does this idea come from that every bad moment or every troubled relationship needs to be cleaned up? This may not be *Breaking Bad*, but it's not an 80s sitcom either. Edwina and Anthony will always have a strained relationship. So what? Are so many on this sub so fortunate as to never have to deal with people that they have problems with? Does no one have to grin and bear it? Because I know that I have to. I think a lot of people have to. The show has a major romantic element, but it also has a major, perhaps even more important, family dynamics element. It also has set up a rivalry between the Queen and Penelope that will last at least three seasons. The romance-of-the-year is fun, but the family and Queen/LW stuff goes on and on. These latter two portions, which make up a major percentage of the show, live and breathe on ongoing grievances and issues ... because most families are not and certainly not a rivalry are going to be totally "functional" or clean with all "healthy" apologies said. I mean in the end a producer, Shonda Rhimes, who is capable of running a show with ongoing character difficulties for 19 years, bought a set of romance books where everything was tied up with a bow. The ball is Shonda's court now, and she doesn't do a lot of tied bows. Also, just think about how all these wished-for apologies would play out. And don't think about how satisfying it will be to see X or Y suffer or "pay" or whatever. Think about how much the casual audience really cares about seeing those consequences. Think about how such a scene helps move the plot a long. Does the scene actually add anything beside the apology or is that all it is? An apology that will either be accepted or refused is basically dead air if it does nothing else. Moreover, does the apology clarify anything or does it just muddy things more? And is the satisfaction gained by perhaps a very small portion of the audience to see a character humbled more worth the muddying to the plot? Most of the time the answer is going to be no. The reason Violet's apology worked was it removed a major psychological stumbling block for Anthony, which helped the plot move forward in a huge way. Anthony and Violet could have had a crappy relationship for the whole run of the show. It wouldn't really matter. It would just be part of the fabric. But the apology was not just an apology. It brought major change. If this was a daytime soap that ran 52 weeks out of the year then every apology could be had because then they would have all the time in the world to dig into everything. Instead they have eight episodes. They need to move. An apology scene needs to do a lot more than get an apology across. Also, an apology does not have to be "I'm sorry". For example, Anthony vowing to humble himself to Kate for eternity is the apology for the ages. Violet telling Anthony to go after Kate when a Kate and Anthony pairing would screw the family's reputation big time is a big deal on Violet's part. Edwina saying Kate and Anthony look beautiful together could be an apology. The Queen offering the Prince and blessing Kate and Anthony could be an apology for being a puppet master of the Sharmas and Bridgertons' lives. And sometimes things don't need to be said. There are a lot of ways to settle something, and sometimes some things don't get settled, because that is life. The show has a big fantasy element, but it is not all fantasy.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

I just assume they have talks off screen we missed


Shiplapprocxy

I want apologies, but I want people to apologize for the right reasons. Like Colin doesn’t owe Penelope an apology for not being into her earlier but he does owe her an apology for laughing at her expense with the ton bachelors. And I hope she accepts his apology relatively quickly and doesn’t drag it out disproportionately to what he actually did. Colin will kick himself enough for not scooping Pen up earlier (and that’ll for sure be fun to watch) but the idea that he HAS to apologize and beg on his knees for her because he “friend-zoned” her is icky to me. Similarly, I don’t think Penelope owes anyone an apology for being Lady Whistledown, but I do think she owes Eloise an apology for not being honest with her or including her in plans that directly involved her, and I hope her character arc next season has her be more conscientious of using her own voice openly as Penelope to act instead of over-relying on LW to get things done. I don’t really care that Pen’s a gossip columnist, I just want her to be more honest with the person who’s supposed to be her best friend and to be more open and vulnerable in general. I really don’t need groveling from any of the characters tbh, and you can have a heartfelt apology without it.


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> I don’t think Penelope owes anyone an apology for being Lady Whistledown No, but she owes a lot of young women an apology for ruining them by publicising rumours about them. She also needs to apologise to Marina and Eloise for betraying their trust.


Shiplapprocxy

She doesn’t owe an apology to Marina imho. It would be a nice, because ultimately they were both teenagers making some of the worst possible decisions, but it’s not necessary. Marina was trying to do an awful thing to another person, and Penelope just chose the nuclear option to stop her. I said above I agree that she owes Eloise an apology for betraying her trust, but if you set out intentionally to trick and betray someone like Marina did, you’re not owed an apology because someone outed your scheme. I’d rather see Pen own up to what she did and admit it to Marina than apologize, because my issue is the subterfuge, not that she did it. Penelope has a lot of people who dislike her character full stop, and fundamentally dislike the fact that she’s a gossip columnist. Which is fine, no one is required to love every character. But I rather the show not waste time trying to write to convince people who will never be satisfied with her having a happy ending.


Ok-Meal-4747

Penelope should apologize to Marina when Marina apologizes to Colin.


NoParmIntended

Yes! S1 felt incomplete because I expected Daphne to apologize to Simon in the finale, but they just decided to gloss over it.


DaisyandBella

Simon deciding he wanted to have kids felt very rushed. Also it made it seem like having a kid was all they needed to solve all their relationship issues.


WifeofLegolas

It's disappointing and shows that this show crams too much in a few episodes. Where as downton abbey can tell a cohesive story in 8 episodes. Non of it felt rushed. They also have a large cast and can develop stories without butchering them, cramming or having underdeveloped characters.


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Edwina never apologised to Kate for a lot of things, but in general the way she treated Kate, long before the wedding before I get the apologists who seem to think it is one line that some wish Edwina to apologise for. Edwina never apologised to Lumley for her rudeness either, though not as much of an issue as her lack of apology to Kate, it actually was an early sign of her character.


Bintijua49

Edwina is awful in every way. She treated Kate like a servant never considered her feelings and in fact never considered that she may actually HAVE feelings


MajesticAngle1197

Yeah there's a few people who should have apologised. Daphne and Simon should have apologised to each other. Anthony should have apologised to Kate and Edwina etc. And I'll probably get down voted for this but I couldn't care less. Edwina never apologised to Kate for being take, take, take and me, me, me all the time. I want to see Daphne to apologise for the "We don't respect you, we just pity you," line. And I want all of the Bridgertons in general to apologise for taking Anthony for granted and not realising how much he was struggling. But I doubt that will happen.


Brilliant_Ad3101

>Edwina never apologised to Kate for being take, take, take and me, me, me all the time. I feel like Kate fed into that by treating Edwina like a little princess.


nadyadk

Lord Berbrooke failing to apologize for existing


VermicelliNo176

Agreed. I hope S3 starts a new precedent.


lldom1987

I'm not holding my breath that Pen will apologize to everyone she has harmed or insulted. Daphne, Marina, Kate, Colin, Eloise, the Bridgerton family as a whole, and the unnamed modiste.


lechimeric

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ObviouslyOblivious90

JUSTICE FOR THE UNNAMED MODISTE!! BURN THE WITCH.


lldom1987

🥺🥺🥹🥹🥹She was just another innocent victim. A workng class woman trying to provide for herself, and possibly innocent childern. Her life destroyed by an entitled member of the nobility. But that's OK because that same entitled woman advocated for nameless paperboy's to get a raise. Of course that raise didn't come out of her profits.


coolbeansfriend

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AsgardianLeviOsa

Plot twist: the nameless modiste’s son *IS* one of those nameless paper boys! Much like Jean Val Jean, Pen is redeemed through an act of kindness to a child. Hoorah!


lechimeric

>🥺🥺🥹🥹🥹She was just another innocent victim. A workng class woman trying to provide for herself, and possibly innocent childern. Tell me you know nothing about screenwriting without telling me you know nothing about screenwriting. You're supposed to root for the modiste we've been introduced to on camera. Y'know, the one with a face. >Of course that raise didn't come out of her profits. Where did you think the profits came from? The money is from sales of LW? Whatever. I'll pour one out for my good friend Nameless on your behalf. https://preview.redd.it/m9tze88w1g2a1.png?width=161&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=58f65b56b3a0f81238a621e41f0eba60771b76db


lldom1987

>Tell me you know nothing about screenwriting without telling me you know nothing about screenwriting. Tell me you don't understand that they are setting up a pattern of behavior. That every little thing is being used to create a consistent story a pattern of actions. Pattern- Pen/ LW consistently screw over others. >You're supposed to root for the modiste we've been introduced to on camera. Y'know, the one with a I'm also suppose to root for Daphne, Eliose, Marina, and the Bridgerton's. >Where did you think the profits came from? The money is from sales of LW? No mention was made about her profits going down. She mentioned that she could take her column elsewhere to another printer. But it could've came out of her profits. So I guess one point to her for helping the nameless, faceless paperboys. Thoughts and prayers to nameless. She deserved better.


RiddikulusFlora

Omg, why are people so obsessed about unnamed modiste? Pen wrote that article for Gen, so Gen would have less competition. It's called being a business partner.


WistfulQuiet

They don't really care about her. They just hate Pen so much that they use any excuse to malign her. The unnamed modiste is just the latest. People are reaching in order to make anyone that likes Pen seem morally corrupt so that they "win." It's messed up.


Shiplapprocxy

Also Pen only wrote that Gen was a better dressmaker and that the dress Cressida wore was ugly. The ton still has the ability to make up their mind with their own free will. If you’ve ever watched the Oscars red carpet and then picked up a copy of People magazine to see the “Best/Worst Dressed” list, it’s the equivalent. She doesn’t start a rumor about The Unnamed Modiste or spread lies to harass her, she critiques the dress, something entirely subjective and opinion based. Penelope only has as much influence as her readers allow her, just like it’s not required to agree with the red carpet fashion police. If they actually liked the dress they could keep going to that modiste, especially since with the size of the ton, the fact that for some reason they seem to order all their clothes with a day’s notice and that Gen probably wouldn’t have used even the earliest version of a sewing machine just yet, the idea that everyone uses Gen exclusively is a little hard to believe.


lldom1987

Just noting another women Pen screwed over.


RiddikulusFlora

It's not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. Also, Daphne and Kate created their own messes. That had nothing to do with Pen. LW is not breaking news, aside from the Marina and Eloise scandals both of which were written with the intention to protect Colin and Eloise respectively. Everything else is merely printing what people are already talking about. It's been discussed to death on this sub and it's getting tiring to have the same conversation over and over again.


lldom1987

>it's getting tiring to have the same conversation over and over again. Then don't engage. If it's tiring for you when people point out the harm caused by Pen just block or scroll on.. >It's not as black-and-white It's very simple. Pen/ LW insulted Kate. Wrote in her column that Daphne had no suitors. Reported that Marina was pregnant and neglected to mention the Featheringtons role in trying to get her married which didn't protect them or tge Bridgerton's from the scandal that followed. Let's not even focus on the fact that the scandal will impact Marina’s children . And all she did for Eloise was caused a scandal to her name that could've led her to be accused of treason. Hel* the unnamed modiste got off easy compared to some of Pen's other victims. Also this post was about the lack of apologies for terrible actions. Most if not all of the acts mentioned have already been discussed repeatedly on this sub- why is a comment about Pen the only one you seem to have problem with?


RiddikulusFlora

I never said that Pen didn't need to apologize. She definitely needs to apologize to Eloise, Colin and Marina. But let's not forget how LW helped Daphne out from not being married off to Berbrooke, how what Pen wrote about Eloise prevented Eloise from being thrown in jail or worse and how Pen saved Colin from being trapped in a marriage that would have completely broken him once he realised that he had been love bombed by someone who saw his insecurities and used them to their advantage. The cherry picking is what gets me.


lldom1987

Pen got tricked into helping Daphne by the Queen, Lady D, and Violet. Let's not pretend she came up with the idea on her own, or her intent was to help. Hel* Daphne probably wouldn't have needed LW "help" if Pen had kept her name out of her column. Let's not cherry pick when we try to excuse or minimize Pen's actions either. Pen had options in how to handle the situations with Eliose and Colin and she consistently chose the one that benefitted her.


RiddikulusFlora

>Pen had options in how to handle the situations with Eliose and Colin and she consistently chose the one that benefitted her. Because hurting her best friends totally benefitted her./s Pen has shown remorse over her actions towards Colin, Marina and Eloise. She hated doing it. Idk what show you're watching, but we've had scenes where Pen cries about writing those things and in S2, she is clearly concerned about Marina, when she asks Colin about how Lady Crane is doing after his visit


lldom1987

Wait a minute. She showed remorse to Marina. When did that happen? When did she make amends or take responsibility for her actions? After she destroyed her life, after Marina almost died from a failed abortion when did she show remorse? Oh her tears. What does her tears do for Marina? I'm not even sure exactly what those tears were about. Was it about hurting Marina and her innocent children, or was she crying because Colin was going to be heart broken and embarrassed? I don't know and you don't know because Pen has never explained herself. She just keep going on ruining people's lives and benefiting from it. From what I remember of S2 Pen has had no contact with Marina. In fact she looked surprised, and a little upset when Colin brings her up wondering how she was. You would think with all the letters she had been writing to Colin she could've taken a moment to write to her cousin who she screwed over. You know check in on her, show a little concern. But I guess she was too busy to show an ounce of care to another human being. And I remember Pen attacking Eliose. Instead of apologizing, and showing some type of remorse she attacked her like she was the victim of the " pretty Bridgerton" Honestly I think that moment more than anything showed us Pen's true character.


RiddikulusFlora

She didn't show remorse to Marina, directly, but it was clearly shown that Pen knew that she had hurt Marina and that she did not do it lightly, but instead revealed the pregnancy as a last resort to save her friend. This is bound to come up in S3, so we'll see how they're going to address it. I also remember Eloise attacking Penelope in equal measure. That fight was not one-sided. Neither of them held back and they both landed some low blows. Look, Pen is not perfect, nobody ever said she was because she's written as a gray character. But what she definitely is not is this spiteful evil witch that gets off of making people suffer like you seem to think. Like, she literally gives people a job and fights for fair wages for her runner boys. That's not something a completely self-serving character would do. She also could have used her social standing to ruin Gen after she was spotted at the market, but instead chose to treat her as an equal and enter a business partnership with her. Pen's arc is not finished. She's going to have to work through a lot in S3. It won't be all rainbows and sunshine because that's not how this show works. The show set her up to have all these conflicts on purpose and we'll have to wait and see how the writers are going to have her patch things up with the people she's hurt.


GCooperE

Penelope didn't write about Nigel to do Daphne a good turn. If she had any such inclination, she wouldn't have spent the first episode gloating over Daphne's lack of suitors. Not a great look for a supposed friend of the family.


lldom1987

100 % correct and yet some want to give Pen credit. I'm like first Daphne's situation might not have become so dire if her sister's supposed best friend hadn't publicly humiliated her by writing about her lack of suitors. And it was the Queen's idea implemented by Lady Danbury and Violet that actually saved the day. They used LW as a tool to accomplish their goal. Pen gets no credit in my opinion other than being a part of the problem.


VermicelliNo176

Facts


GCooperE

Like it or not, destroying a working class woman's means of supporting herself in entirely for her own benefit does say quite a lot about Penelope's moral character, so she's entirely relevant when discussing Penelope's arc. It's also why Penelope stans try to brush over her.


Plums4

the people making a big deal of it in this thread are literally the only people who even remember the nameless modiste ever even existed.


lldom1987

>Like it or not, destroying a working class woman's means of supporting herself in entirely for her own benefit does say quite a lot about Penelope's moral character Agree completely. This is a big part of who she is, and I'm not understanding how this action isn't relevant, and yet we continually get " she advocated for the paperboy's ". All of this is a part of her arc, and it can't be dismissed because it's uncomfortable for some to see Pen as a deeply flawed character who hurt people.


[deleted]

Not to mention all the other young women that were no doubt gossiped about and named in her column that she would have ruined in her pursuit of trying to feel relevant.


lldom1987

Pen hurt people. I don't understand how her actions can be minimized.


WistfulQuiet

Because she's a fictional character in a made up world who does things for drama effect. Honestly, I don't understand how people litigate her like she's a real person on trial. It's a bit unhealthy IMO.


lldom1987

Your right. She is a fictional character. She has been written as a character who has done problematic things. I'm not understanding why saying that Pen should apologize is something that needs to be litigating.


WistfulQuiet

I'm not litigating the character...you are. Like I said...a fake character doesn't need to apologize in a fake world if the writers choose to not make her. Furthermore, all she's doing essentially is gossiping, which half the women in the show do. She's just doing it publically. Honestly, people take this stuff WAY too seriously.


lldom1987

Someone started a post about the lack of apologies. People noted characters who have not apologized to others/ who they believed needed to apologize. I noted that I thought Pen needed to apologize, and I listed the people who I thought she should apologize to. Just like several other people on this post, but for some reason calling out Pen seems to be a problem. I'm not sure if your issue is that these are fictional characters and therefore shouldn't have to apologize for the way they are written, or if your issue is specifically related to Pen. If it's the former then I'm not sure why you are addressing your comment to me instead of the OP, and if it's the latter then you are the one litigating not me.


Dowrysess

The way people literally see nothing wrong with Penelope’s actions yet everyone else is the devil is so ridiculous.


WistfulQuiet

You get that's it's a TV show right? No need to morally judge every character and "hate" characters if they aren't morally perfect angels. This is a fictional world...real world morals need not apply. It's written that way to be dramatic for the audience. I swear...some people act like this is real life.


lldom1987

I don't get it. They want to claim she is a grey character, but then bend over backwards justifying her actions while tearing down everyone else.


Dowrysess

I dmed you!


Jabami_Yumekhoe

Literally! One of the people under this post is literally about to break their back from bending over so far backwards to defend Penelope


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Kate apologized but Simone and daphne never did to each other nd Anthony should have


nadyadk

Professions of love above accountability is Bridgerton’s motto, huh? Interesting discussion on the main sub after awhile


utopian_liner

You know who apologized? Theo. Three times. Honestly, the healthiest relationship on this show is between Eloise and Theo and we need more of this man in season 3+.


Leather-Sentence5378

“But that's OK because that same entitled woman advocated for nameless paperboy's to get a raise. Of course that raise didn't come out of her profits.” Thank you!!! Love Penelope but I hated that scene so much. The second she finish negotiating for herself she demands he pays the paperboys more and says he sits on his “lazy arse”. Printing the paper itself isn’t exactly a white collar job, it’s manual labor and he’s not getting rich from it. Never a good look having a member of high class society calling a member of the working class “lazy” Obnoxious.