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Whattheeffingeff2020

I am homeless but not toothless by these standards


sarabobeara444

😂 I can’t


ACatMags

Robyn Dixon. Which I think was and continues to be (prenup story this season) an explicit part of her storyline.


matteblacklouboutins

whitney used rill housewives to launch wild rös beauty and now she is a rill successful woman


elmosneakers

It helped her HILL!


matteblacklouboutins

heather not being rill about whitney’s hilling journey was a rilly big dill


elmosneakers

🤣🤣🤣


TodayTimeDeux

“rös” 💀


Lovisa_s

I read that in Swedish and the pronunciation is very different than what Whitney would say...


TodayTimeDeux

German pronunciation is Wild Whitney Rose in my mind. How is it in Swedish


[deleted]

I love it! Rill housewives 😆


matteblacklouboutins

rill women keeping it rill


delw333

A+ pronunciations here


sarabobeara444

😂


Dismal_Occasion4240

Whitney seems solidly upper middle class.


dthomp60

With some of these names here I’m wondering what exactly people consider middle class 😂


HunterHunted9

>I’d say B but I think she had wealthy backups lined up regardless Bethenny absolutely had wealthy backups. She had barely started the major Skinnygirl manufacturing when she married Jason. In her divorce, she listed her premarital wealth as $22 million. She married Jason in March 2010. Her first Skinnygirl book came out in March 2009. The premixed ready to drink margarita was available for sale around May/June 2009. It really only started to be regularly available on east coast store shelves in the fall of 2009. Her dad, who was pretty wealthy, died November 2009. This kind of suggests that she likely inherited some money from her dad. She sold Skinnygirl ABC in March 2011.


[deleted]

Honestly how do you know this lol


HunterHunted9

Except for her premarital wealth (which was listed in filings for her endless divorce battle), everything else is EASILY verifiable public information.


dumbleberry

~~Don’t look a gift ..horse ..in the mouth.~~ I know a few things, the sun rises in the east and u/HunterHunted9 will always have B receipts.


[deleted]

Haha I am grateful but curious


StrawAndChiaSeeds

Yes!!! I appreciate this too!!! 👏👏👏


[deleted]

Insane to me. She always references how she was broke when she started the show and only made $7,000 for her first season. I didn’t realize $22M meant you were broke!


wownogoodnamesleft

She must have inherited that when her dad passed because no way would she be in that 1 bedroom apartment season 1-3 if she had $22M sitting around.


HunterHunted9

Right before she got offered RHONY, her dad finally cut her off and stopped paying her rent. He wanted her to just get a steady job. He wasn't saying a 9 - 5. He was a horse racing trainer. He understood that not everyone was cut out for a 9 - 5 or an office. He was also one of the most successful horse trainers of all time. Horse trainers get a percentage of what their winning horses earn. He collected $30 million just from his percentage. He also collected a regular salary and fees for day to day training.


VaguelyArtistic

Reminder that horse racing is known as "the sport of kings".


TodayTimeDeux

Damn and of his money the majority went to the daughter trashing him publicly?


HunterHunted9

Bobby Frankel actually left a good bit to charity for aid and assistance programs for individuals and families who worked in horse racing. He created scholarships for the kids of those families. I believe he also left some money for his second ex-wife. Bobby did reconcile with Bethenny and Bethenny's stepfather (Bobby's former best friend) shortly before his death.


TodayTimeDeux

Thanks for sharing. It sounds like he didn’t spend on himself.


HunterHunted9

He lived well. He had a nice house in Pacific Palisades. That's actually where he passed away. Joe Torre was a good friend of Bobby Frankel. Torre said that Bobby was a really generous and giving person.


VaguelyArtistic

>nice house in Pacific Palisades The *only* kind of house in the Palisades lol.


-snugasabuginarug-

Source for all this info? I know you say “public info” but literally none of this is found online.


HunterHunted9

If you couldn't find it, you weren't looking that hard. https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Naturally-Thin/Bethenny-Frankel/9781416597988 https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110321005697/en/Beam-Global-Acquires-Skinnygirl%C2%AE-Spirits-Brand https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/02/24/bethenny-frankels-skinnygirl-family-expands-to-include-wine-and-vodka/?sh=410213da7a57 https://www.bravotv.com/bethenny-getting-married/photos/bethennys-wedding#9441416 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/sports/17frankel.html https://www.espn.com/horse-racing/news/story?id=4659654 https://www.espn.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=4661154 https://ustrottingnews.com/robert-j-frankel-scholarship-winner-announced/


rainyhawk

Or hawking her stuff in random grocery stores. I don’t think she had much in the early days of NY.


sideshowlukeperry

She married Jason well after the first season aired. Skinny Girl wasn’t founded until 2009, and the show premiered in 2008. I assume it was filmed in 2007. Her net worth at marriage would have been way more than during the first season of the show.


VaguelyArtistic

Not to mention contacts she made as Paris Hilton's nanny. She's a phony.


Briana1w3

Who knows but Bethenny especially since she started talking to her dad again who was a multi millionaire may have left her very decent inheritance and maybe even her step dad? I do find Bethenny annoying af when she came back on the show but I feel like she has connections and runs in these circles and is very smart woman with a business hustler mind I feel she would have made it somehow but not on this level without the show and she would have likely inherited decent amount from her dad.


StrawAndChiaSeeds

So… not middle class


Briana1w3

No lol doesnt seem like it but Bethenny and alot of these woman are good at creating their own false narratives when it suits them.


sleddingdeer

The casts of OC and NJ, with a few exceptions.


souljap0nyboy

gina?!!!


ShoeBitch212

As much as I like her, I don’t think her middle class status has changed.


TodayTimeDeux

She went from broke to middle class.


ShoeBitch212

Agree. I’m glad she doesn’t live beyond her means for the sake of the cameras though.


TodayTimeDeux

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dontcallmebob1

I feel like the threshold to be upper class is so much lower than we think. All of the ATL ladies probably were on the low end of upper class and then Housewives helped push them in like the top 5%. Still love this question but wanted to throw this out there! Semantics, I know.


Puzzleheaded_Sail580

Definitely Kathy. She had a really nice home at the beginning, but compared to the rest of the cast it’s considered a lot more middle class. Her new home that we saw on the show was beautiful. But they were doing well for themselves before the show, I think they own/owned gas stations?


SnowballSymphony

They sold their McMansion.


badandsad97

They did have a Ferrari in their first season so idk ?


whitekat29

Did you see Teresa’s house before they moved into the warehouse mansion? It’s very middle class average, it makes the Wakile’s first home look like a mansion.


Puzzleheaded_Sail580

Warehouse mansion 😭 No I haven’t! I’m gonna Google it


whitekat29

I added the link in another comment but it’s easy to find!!!


[deleted]

Richie has a bunch of gas stations. I think they live well beneath their means tbh


scorpioqueenxx

Melissa gorga but I truly think they are still more middle class just faking wealth at this point


wownogoodnamesleft

Agreed and I feel like it’s a lot easier to fake that with instagram sponsorships and checks from the show


emmmieemmie

Karen Huger. Her old kitchen told all.


Passion4Muzik

They owed 5 million in taxes. They made millions of dollars and lived in wealthy Potomac. That's more than middle class.


pontepilas

You gotta make millions to owe millions!


manthemanlyman

Karen was rich but not polished. Her wigs, clothes and makeup needed some updating - same goes for the kitchen.


lucygucyapplejuicey

It was screaming from the rooftops. Nice house and tbh not a bad kitchen, but for her to act like she does and pretend she’s this big bad maven of the haven with the wealth of the gods… be fr sis. Nothing wrong with her old kitchen, but if she had it like that it would not be so old.


whitekat29

A lot of older wealthy people have outdated kitchens honestly. Established money doesn’t fee the need to constantly renovate and update everything.


lucygucyapplejuicey

That is true! I go to lots of estate sales and many of the homes have kitchens that are old, but Karen’s was ancient. It looked exactly like my grandmothers kitchen. Old money does not at all play by the rule of always needing the newest and best to show off, but Karen’s kitchen just was not fooling anybody. Also, her whole home situation whatever that was (moving, renting a way too big home with non-roportional furniture, moving back etc) was giving “im trying to look richer than I am.” The whole thing of “the black bill gates” too. Anywho, if you’re thinking about going to estate sales, pls gatekeep them. Don’t put people on, I beg you. It’s hard enough battling the old people in the early mornings on day one. We do not need more people discovering the holy land of estate sales!!! Thanks girlies ♡


lustforyou

Sonja and Luann kinda…like they were much more wealthy when the show started because of their husbands’ money, but once they divorced I think they’d have really been in trouble without Bravo/the spin-offs/the promotion for other endeavors to keep them floating Kenya for sure, she’s built a very nice income for herself through the show, UGT, launching and promoting her hair care line, spin off “celebrity” shows, and insta ads + buying a house at a great price and renovating it. I think Leeann from Dallas was on her way to doing this, as she was definitely “just” middle class and seemed to not be overspending/was wise with her housewives checks, but then she got herself prematurely fired and then the show was prematurely canceled


Diorforme

Leann’s fiancé (now husband) was a retired detective. She did charity work.


gaycomic

I don't think T in her Beauty and the Beats castle house was "Middle Class?"


wownogoodnamesleft

I got the sense they could nowhere near afford that and the show came in just in time to increase their income and the fame she got allowed her to hold on to it


whitekat29

You haven’t seen the house they were living in before it. Idk which came first… the show or the fraudulent loans but they did NOT have the income at the time to back up the loans they took out and they paid the price for it even if it did eventually put them in a higher tax bracket. Edit to include link for [original Giudice home](https://www.elledecor.com/celebrity-style/celebrity-homes/news/a8516/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-teresa-giudice-house/)


PigletRivet

Yeah, they built a massive house in an expensive area. The house was hideous and tacky, yes, but that land would’ve cost them a fortune alone.


bananakegs

First season they weren’t even moved in yet though


whitekat29

They used fraudulent loans for all of it, remember the whole prison thing?


PigletRivet

I honestly don’t remember. I thought they were arrested for tax evasion, but I guess I’m wrong.


whitekat29

Nope loans taken out with fraudulent W2’s and pay stubs. Then it all came out when they tried to file bankruptcy to avoid paying for said fraudulent loans.


mrfatzoalex

Ugh! I’ve waited for this question. Kathy Wakile on RHONJ. Gina on RHOC. Leanne on Dallas Some of them confuse me though. I genuinely don’t understand some of where these woman get their income from but they seem to be “middle class”. RHOP (Gizelle and Robyn) seem middle class to me. RHOSLC I can’t figure out if any of them are that rich besides Lisa Barlow (but those are her words) also RHOA (Sheree, Kenya.)


Same_Particular6349

All of Jersey Bethenny All of Atlanta except Kandi Everyone in OC except Heather/Shannon Everyone on Salt Lake


PigletRivet

DeShawn from Atlanta was wealthy. She had staff 😌


themostbootiful

Geurdy is arguably upper middle class in her basic McMansion


YooHoooo_Ray

HW made Delores upper middle class. Didn’t she have a large but old, empty house? Was it her’s? Maybe it just heard Danielle say it but I was under the impression


DrTobe310

Gorgas, Margaret, Dolores, Brandi


Sugarrose79

Kyle and Mo were middle class and became wealthy


ehhleeana

Their house on S1 was in Beverly Hills. At a minimum, they were upper middle class. The Agency skyrocketed then to wealth.


HunterHunted9

>Beverly Hills Bel Air


No-Net-1188

Candiace RHOP. I always laugh when people call her mom a physician. She's a therapist - not even close. And although her dad is listed as a physician, military doctors DON'T bring in the kind of money civilian doctors do. #


Kittypie75

I never understood where Candice's money pre-Bravo came from. Like, therapists don't make THAT much.


TodayTimeDeux

Vicki went from selling insurance in her den to a Coto empire (half joking, but she did!) Kandi went from famous but upper middle class to FAMOUS and **RICH** Heather Gay Garcelle - again famous and upper middle class but now she has more income and a beach house Gina went from her casita to her overpacked condo


russianbisexualhookr

Heather Gay’s ex is loaded and fully supported her and the kids prior to her making her own money with beauty lab


TodayTimeDeux

imo that is like Ashley and Michael except Ashley hasn’t been able to use the show to move up/earn more


ratman333

Wtf are you talking about, Teresa went to prison.


wownogoodnamesleft

But she bounced back and went from -$11M debt to making some bank now and has been living in McMansions since like 2010


ratman333

With a notable break. She did not play the game well. She commited fraud and did time, while her daughters were young and depended on their mother. There are better ways to social climb.


Buffybot60601

Thank you!! There are so many posts about poor innocent Teresa losing time with her parents and daughters but “playing the game” is a new one.


DrTobe310

Meredith


SlightKnee3768

I would say upper middle class at a minimum but top of mind for me is gizelle and Robyn, Brandi from dallas, Nene, Tre and Melissa G, the Wakiles and the one who managed the most incredible ascent, Laurie from early OC. Aside from her marriage Porsha also ascended as an individual income earner.


More_Than_The_Moon

I think pretty much everyone in the early seasons (for the median income of the areas they lived in).


whitekat29

Literally Teresa was the OG of scamming her way into a better tax bracket. The house she lived in season 1 was extremely modest and they took out millions in fraudulent loans and tried to file bankruptcy. She takes the cake on this one.


Ok_Instance_meow

Gina for sure and Shannon to an extent but she went through a fucked divorce and basically had to start over