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Chronic_The_Kid

And just like that, the world has eyes on Bivol.


nonchalancegod

I’m glad to see Bivol fight again this year but I don’t think seeking “revenge” for Mexico is gonna make the fight any easier for Zurdo. Bivol is simply one of the best all around boxers competing right now, and I don’t see Zurdo having an answer for his European style because he’s so damn fundamentally sound. He picks his shot but keeps up a steady work rate and doesn’t rush into exchanges, and his use of his lead hand/jab is masterclass. He’s not the best in the world but it’s hard to argue that he’s doesn’t deserve to be p4p. Ramirez gonna have a long night


TheDangerdog

>I’m glad to see Bivol fight again this year but I don’t think seeking “revenge” for Mexico is gonna make the fight any easier for Zurdo. Bro he's just selling the fight any way he can, him saying this isn't disrespectful/over the line or anything and..... I mean he *is from Sinaloa*.....right by Clenelo Anavarez birthplace. Let the man chase clout/drum up interest any way he can, if he wants to make it [Sinaloa vs the world](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/ohio-vs-the-world) thats fine.


nonchalancegod

Nah I know it’s not personal lol, I just mean to say no hype around the fight is gonna make it any less difficult in fact it might make it more if the focus isn’t there on actual tactics/gameplan


DaRealSuave

But Canelo isn't from Sinaloa tho.


TheDangerdog

Close enough. It's right there by it.


DaRealSuave

Eeehh not really. Sinaloa is generally considered a northern state, while Jalisco is considered one of the northernmost southern/central states. Plus you have the state of Nayarit between Sinaloa and Jalisco.


SW3RVZ

Leave them, muchos de aqui no saben la historia del boxeo mexicano


cte_fans

As they say in the old country of California, Удачи...er i mean good luck...yes


Benjips

>“When Zurdo first came to Golden Boy Promotions, we sat down with him to discuss his future,” Roberto Diaz, vice president and executive matchmaker for Golden Boy, told BoxingScene.com. “From the moment we first started working with him, he sat down and said, ‘I want Bivol.’ I tried to tell him, ‘We don’t have to do that, we can go other routes.’ Zurdo told me, ‘Roberto, trust me. I can beat him.’ >“This was obviously way before Bivol’s victory over Canelo. After, Zurdo said, ‘Now, I want Bivol even more.’ He has a whole country behind him. All the fans in Mexico are calling for Zurdo to fight Bivol. This is an opportunity to bring back that title, that win—not just for Zurdo but for all of Mexico.” Ramirez's single mission in life is to beat Bivol. He finally will be getting the chance.


wilis123

If that was his mission then he would not have rejected the fight so many times before.


mastergintoki

Yeah that's why he rejected the fight and also rejected opportunities for elimators. Zurdo is a clown. Can't wait until he loses and disappears. Apparently he feels canelo is ducking him to when he rehydrates to 205 🤣


BoxingIsEasy

They're gonna be super revengeful after Bivol disposes of him.


shibapenguinpig

Bivol's not gonna be fighting a 5'7" middleweight anymore


creamyismemey

You can say that but don't act like the only reason bivol won was because of size as that's blatantly not true and doing so is talking bivol down


shibapenguinpig

Bivol won because of size and style advantage. Zurdo doesn't have the same style as Canelo, so let's not act like Bivol will outbox him as easily as he did with Canelo. Zurdo not only has a different style, but he's 4 inches taller than Bivol and has a 3 inch reach advantage over him. Also worth noting that Bivol, being bigger than Canelo, was able to take his power, he's not gonna absorn Zurdo's power that easy.


nonchalancegod

Bivol won because he controlled the distance, pace, and overall movement of his opponent. Bivol used his jab to control and maneuver Canelo and comfortably outboxed him using pure fundamentals pretty much. I’ll put it like this, Canelo is a much more sound fundamental boxer than Zurdo and Bivol still pretty much put on a clinic. Sure height and reach will be a factor, but it’s not gonna overcome years of experience and ring IQ. The only person at 175 giving Bivol trouble is Beterbiev


mergerr

Zurdo is a high pace southpaw who is gigantic and can also box off the backfoot. High pace southpaws are like historically and p4p the most difficult styles to beat. This fight is at the minimum competitive.


nonchalancegod

Zurdo isn’t a bum, and he does pose matchup issues for most fighters but Bivol isn’t most fighters. It isn’t an exaggeration to say that most boxers with extensive amateur careers, in his case 260+ wins, have a leg up on their competition in terms of ring IQ and tactics not to mention skill. If you look only at Zurdo’s record 44-0 looks pretty good, but the opposition was definitely lacking. He’s never been in with an elite boxer, and I think it’s going to show come fight night. I don’t see him throwing anything at Bivol he couldn’t take


mergerr

44-0 has nothing to do at all with my analysis. If you want to get technical about competition levels, bivols best real 175 lb win is over joe smith jr. Maxim vlasov beat joe smith jr, but joe was gifted the belt instead. Zurdo has beaten vlasov soundly. Bivol struggled with craig richards. Im shocked you can think this is a cake walk for bivol. Comes off delusional to me.


nonchalancegod

Again, I don’t think it’s a cake walk I just believe Bivol to be on a higher level than Zurdo at this point in time. It’s not to say he could NEVER beat him because as we all know anything can happen in boxing, I’m just saying stack them up resumes, skill, and fashion in which they beat their opponents i favor Bivol. I think Zurdo’s best bet is to take it slow and try to fight at his own pace and avoid unnecessary exchanges with Bivol where he can try and manipulate his guard with his jab. And did Bivol not put on a clinic against Smith Jr as well? He may not have dismantled him like Beterbiev did the other day, but he made him look like an amateur fighter for sure. All I’m saying is Bivol has shown me more that he’s capable of at this point in time is all


shibapenguinpig

He was able to do all that because he's longer than Canelo. Idc how fundamentally sound Canelo is, he's 5'7" you can't tell me a 6'0" guy, who's as good fundamentally speaking, won't have an easy time using the jab and controlling the distance. Height and reach was a big factor. As they say, a great big boxer will always beat a great small boxer.


1teflondon

Guy coming in here acting like bivol only won because he's taller as if Callum Smith wasn't.


nonchalancegod

You lose speed as your weight goes up sure, but mobility/footwork is an inherent fundamental tool. He didn’t do anything but walk forward and try and counter shots that weren’t coming because of Bivol’s patience. He didn’t try anything new during the course of that fight and by round 10 he almost looked like he was just trying to survive at moments.Conditioning is obviously a factor, but watching fight again it’s obvious there was no game plan. And you say the jab wouldn’t have made the difference but I disagree almost entirely. It wouldn’t have been the only missing piece but it would’ve added variety and also allowed him to try to get to jab the body or feint. By the later rounds it didn’t matter if he started to jab feint because he hadn’t utilized it the whole fight. I think Canelo loses the rematch if they fight again at 175 as it’s clearly too big for him, but he could work for a decision at 168 if he works the body early and try and get inside.


nonchalancegod

Canelo is always in against opponents with a height and reach advantage and he’s managed to come out on top most of the time, height wasn’t the deciding factor neither was reach. For starters Canelo has fallen in love with his power and his work rate continuously dropped off as the rounds continued and by the 12th rd he was barely moving his head and throwing singular punches breathing through his mouth GASSED. Why was he so tired? Bivol was moving around the ring jabbing his face off and not allowing him to get comfortable on his feet. Even when Canelo did land it was on Bivol’s guard and it wasn’t enough to break it. Also the subtle body work throughout the rounds helped wear him out by the end. Canelo also didn’t utilize the jab at all during that fight compared to Bivol. He threw power shot after power shot looking to either counter or break Bivol’s guard and neither really happened. I chalk it up to arrogance and lack of planning for a fighter of Bivol’s level. A bigger skilled boxer does have the advantage over a smaller equally skilled opponent but it’s not a given victory every time.


shibapenguinpig

>Canelo is always in against opponents with a height and reach advantage and he’s managed to come out on top most of the time, height wasn’t the deciding factor neither was reach. You do realize Bivol is a weight class above those guys, miles above them in skill, and with a style that's Canelo's weakness right? >For starters Canelo has fallen in love with his power and his work rate continuously dropped off as the rounds continued and by the 12th rd he was barely moving his head and throwing singular punches breathing through his mouth GASSED. Why was he so tired? Bivol was moving around the ring jabbing his face off and not allowing him to get comfortable on his feet. Even when Canelo did land it was on Bivol’s guard and it wasn’t enough to break it. Also the subtle body work throughout the rounds helped wear him out by the end. That's because he's moved up in weight. He's not gonna rely on speed or mobility when he's fighting out of his weight. >Canelo also didn’t utilize the jab at all during that fight compared to Bivol. He threw power shot after power shot looking to either counter or break Bivol’s guard and neither really happened. I chalk it up to arrogance and lack of planning for a fighter of Bivol’s level. A bigger skilled boxer does have the advantage over a smaller equally skilled opponent but it’s not a given victory every time. You want Canelo to use the jab against a bigger guy than him? Let's be real, that wasn't gonna work and we all knew it. He had to get on the inside if he wanted to do something but Bivol l's distance control kept him at bay most of the time


nonchalancegod

Callum Smith and Kovalev both were champions and competed at light heavy at some point and Canelo found a way to deal with them both having several inches of height on him by working the body. Bivol is clearly more skilled at this point than those too but those advantages weren’t factors in their fights. And yes I’m aware Bivol’s style poses weaknesses to Canelo’s but styles make fights and Canelo showed no adjustment in that fight at all. Him not relying on speed or mobility was part of the problem too how else would he have gotten on the inside to do damage if not by trying to use his footwork? His lack of a jab in that fight too didn’t help because it made it obvious what kind of punches he would throw. If he even feinted with the jab or mixed up his variation of punches to lead with the jab it would’ve added an extra dimension of the fight to worry about. And I will agree that the weight probably hurt his cause as well, I also look at is as poor conditioning to go into a fight at a higher weight than natural and not have optimized your ability for said fight. All in all it’s not clear cut, to me, that height was the sole factor in his loss.


shibapenguinpig

>Callum Smith and Kovalev both were champions and competed at light heavy at some point and Canelo found a way to deal with them both having several inches of height on him by working the body. Bivol is clearly more skilled at this point than those too but those advantages weren’t factors in their fights. Callum Smith is not a pure boxer like Bivol. He's more flat footed, and that's why Canelo was able to land more on him. We all know how washed Kovalev was for the Canelo fight, let's not act like he was at his best. Bivol is in his prime, bigger, heavier and stylistically superior to Canelo. >And yes I’m aware Bivol’s style poses weaknesses to Canelo’s but styles make fights and Canelo showed no adjustment in that fight at all. Him not relying on speed or mobility was part of the problem too how else would he have gotten on the inside to do damage if not by trying to use his footwork? His lack of a jab in that fight too didn’t help because it made it obvious what kind of punches he would throw. If he even feinted with the jab or mixed up his variation of punches to lead with the jab it would’ve added an extra dimension of the fight to worry about. Yeah and we all shit on Eddy for his lack of adjustments. How was he supposed to rely on speed and mobility when that's something you lose as you gain weight? Canelo had no hope of winning against Bivol, but we were all hyped up over what he did at 168.


markdestouches

They have virtually the same reach, it wasn't stopping Canelo working the body, he just couldn't. UPD. It's actually pretty ironic to hear about Bivol's reach and height advantages while the guy is considered undersized for his own division.


hotyogurt1

Bivol took shots from Joe Smith well. And Smith is like the second hardest puncher in the division behind Beterbiev. Zurdo doesn’t have power like that, or anywhere near it lol.


shibapenguinpig

Smith has a 69% KO ratio, Zurdo 68%. He has power.


Bleve23

Smith would also have a higher KO percentage if he fought the same cans Zurdo has fought… Zurdo is making a considerable step up in talent and is going to have a rude awakening. I’ve seen Zurdo get hurt by boxers that lack technique and are way slower than Bivol. You may write off Canelo’s size, but the fact that there has been fighters like Smith and even Canelo who was considered one of the best boxers right now, both had a extremely hard time landing punches on Bivol, I don’t see Zurdo being smarter than canelo or even Joe Smith. Zurdo is going to get countered all day and probably finished


shibapenguinpig

Smith fought two of those same cans and couldn't do better than Zurdo.


Bleve23

Smith also has 3 world champions he has faced on his resume. So he hasn’t been just fighting “cans”. Zurdo on the other hand hasn’t fought a single champion… I thought a better match up for Zurdo would have been Callum smith.. reason being, both need to show they belong against Beterbiev or Bivol. Both are levels above everyone else. You can’t beat that kind of pedigree that has an outstanding amateur record in conjunction with technique and fundamentals. Zurdo has been brought up fighting cans and getting his confidence built up that way.


shibapenguinpig

First of all, Zurdo does have one world champion in his record. And second, Smith already proved he doesn't belong against Beterbiev or Bivol. Of the three world champions Smith has faced two were Bivol and Beterbiev, both of whom beat him clearly. Who's the third? 51 year old Hopkins? Let's not act like Smith proved he belonged with Beterbiev and Bivol before he got a chance to face them.


hotyogurt1

And yet, you’re wrong because nobody is going to tell you that Ramirez has more power than Smith. Smith only has problems KOing people when they’re able to get away from his power. He’s not a good boxer, but he absolutely hits harder than Ramirez. There’s no question about it.


shibapenguinpig

And how are their powers going to be compared? Both have similar KO ratios but the only guys they have in common, Zurdo has beaten them better.


creamyismemey

You clearly haven't watched any other fights of bivol right before his fight with canelo he fought and dominated against salamov with the same height advantage bivol had over canelo meaning bivol fought the same way against a bigger opponent not only that salamov had a 4 inch reach advantage bivol dominated bivol also dominated against Joe Smith you act like bivol only has size it's purely style canelo fought multiple people the same size and even bigger than bivol and won by KO but nobody said anything then right?


[deleted]

Bivol won because he fucking cooked Canelo more than a well done steak, be real.


markdestouches

Please, explain, how did Bivol use his size to his advantage during the fight?


shibapenguinpig

As someone else already said, he was able to control the distance without a problem


markdestouches

What does his size has to do with it? He used his feet, as he always does, and has virtually the same reach with Canelo. What you take for size was his actual skill.


shibapenguinpig

>What does his size has to do with it? Longer reach = can punch from farther away = distance


BoxingIsEasy

Yeah Canelo's delusion is gigantic.


Outofthemoney777

Yeah let’s hate on a fighter for daring to be great dumbass.


BoxingIsEasy

He's delusional but not a great dumbass !


joausj

Gonna be a good old California vs Mexico rivalry.


SexyJellyfish1

Ramirez has yet to be tested against great opponents. Not sure how he will fair against Bivol


FuckTariq

I don't know much of either fighter tbh, but the split predictions on this post has me intrigued.


Fantastic-Cold2455

Zurdo finally getting This fight I was actually starting to think bivol was ducking him but bivol showed he wants the smoke


IntelligentDoor219

Nah Bivol wins


CrusaderBTC

Bivol by murder.


wetxican

That would be a great fight 👏 👍


latinlingo310

Bivol too much for Ramirez


IntrepidSwan7932

I don’t know. Ramirez looked like a beast in his last fight. Bivol had Canelo’s number, but I don’t think he’s this unbeatable flag bearer of his class.


raf_diaz

i think that if zurdo struggled to beat jesse hart, bivol will simply outclass him down the stretch. zurdo has looked great since signing w/ golden boy but that's mainly because of the matchmaking of robert diaz (that man needs a raise btw) - that said, i don't think any of his recent opponents have prepared him bivol's style and tactical movement. zurdo will have to impose his size and will in a way that joe smith jr, sullivan barrera and a juiced up jean pascal weren't able to do against bivol.


foxybingo111

Considering the division also has Artur Beterbiev, I don’t think that division has an unbeatable flag bearer


creamyismemey

I think if anything bivol and beterbiev are tied for best in the division and whoever wins between them will be unbeatable for that division I think it will be an incredibly close and competitive fight tho


foxybingo111

Yeah I agree, that fight needs to happen. I’m hoping more strong Contenders show up at light heavyweight


creamyismemey

100% I feel LHW is a strong division in everyone has skill but I just feel they have a cap at how good they can get and bivol and beterbiev are far above it


Basura1999

Level-headed analysis is realizing that no boxer is unbeatable and in this case, Bivol doesn't have to be unbeatable to beat Ramirez.


IntrepidSwan7932

But I don’t feel this is a one sided fight. This feels a lot more competitive than the Canelo fight.


Basura1999

Seeing Bivol school Smith Jr and come back from a layoff to handle Richards removed any doubt in my mind that someone as untested as Ramirez could handle Bivol. Even judging this match-up on styles tells me that Ramirez's prodding feet are going to hold him back against Bivol's activity.


Bleve23

He also looked like shit against Gonzalez. Zurdo might have won that fight, but the dude was getting hit by shots that were coming from a mile away. Gonzalez was a walking zombie at times just trying to throw back to keep the ref from stopping it, and Zurdo was getting caught clean. Zurdo has a lot of flaws that are going to be exposed. When you are facing an opponent who’s fundamentals and technique are one of the best, you can’t come in looking sloppy or you will get outclassed


Small_Explorer8773

I think he’s definitely the sizeable favourite though. He’s got a very solid body of work as a pro.


Mystro10210

He walked in at 205+ on the night against his last opponent who threw 133 to Gilberto's 327, and landed 27 to his 104. He literally came there to be knocked out.


lord-of-war-1

People are sleeping on this fight. Yes, Zurdo is a a technically inferior fighter than Bivol. BUT he is a big fucker, can punch and has stamina. The guy is a boiled down CW. Bivol has shown rangey fighters give him trouble. Zurdo will be no different. And Bivol has never faced anyone this big that will be imposing this type of pressure. Bivol should win but this is a risky fight for him. Ramirez will put alot of pressure on him and he is so much bigger that Bivol will need to use alot of feints or quick in and out movement to limit the risk he takes. That takes a toll on you. Add the huge shots he will have to take. He will likely catch most on his gloves but catching punches from a guy that big is going to wear him out. This fight will be very interesting the second half. Bivol is going to have to be in insane shape to get the W. Anything less and the size will get to him. I want to see odds on this. It could be worth a good sized bet.


Personal-Vast-51

I’ve not seen Zurdo fight much, is he good at using his range?


lord-of-war-1

Not quite. But thats one of those things that can be drilled down. With someone that big and athletic a snappy 1-2 goes a long way. Needs to make sure to bring his hands right back so Bivol doesnt counter it with his quick feet. But if he spams that he realistically could win this. It's kind of what Bivol did with Canelo and it worked because of the size difference.


CacoFlaco

Yes, revenge. But Zurdo is hardly the guy to do it. Bivol will box his ears off.


Unforsaken_Dick

And for the hood


DaRealSuave

As a proud Mexican myself, I highly, HIGHLY, doubt that Zurdo could ever beat Bivol. Bivol's style is impeccable, and although Zurdo isn't a bad boxer by any means, Bivol is in a league of his own.


Ray-zah

This guy is like that annoying girlfriend that just doesn’t leave you alone.


Superly_Sardonic

One of the most padded resumes in the game. Only win that aged well was Vlasov on account of him getting robbed against Joe Smith Jr but even then Zurdo was having problems. He's just bringing size and a durable chin, it's Bivol's fight to lose.


salazarboxing

Zurdo is too damn slow, even Canelo who is freaky fast, although smaller and shorter than bivol, most of Canelo’s fast shots couldn’t land flush on Bivol, I don’t see Zurdo doing much but getting outboxed or even stopped.


lord-of-war-1

Horrible to compare Canelo and Zurdo. Thats like saying Mogsey Bogues could take on Shaq in a one on one because he is faster.


Specialist_Writer_11

That compare is also horrible.


lord-of-war-1

Yea. It was meant to be...


salazarboxing

It wasn’t a comparison to skill


dmckidd

FINALLY getting the title shot he’s earned TWICE.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

After Canelo, the Brit Slayer, comes Bivol, the Mexicutioner II


FreshPrinceOfRivia

Bivol 8-4


Apprehensive-Ad8947

How can you get a title shotrejecting multiple fights with the fighter who has said title?


FreshPrinceOfRivia

> How can you get a title shit Eat a lot of Mexican food. Profit


Apprehensive-Ad8947

Well don’t you look stupid now


monkeya37

Ah yes. The David Benavidez/BJS school of "I have done absolutely nothing to earn it, but send me directly to the front of the line."


dmckidd

Fought in TWO eliminators, what else is he supposed to do?


margalolwut

Not impressed. He is definitely as good as his record and bandwagoners are eating up lol