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bigfatpup

Eubank has wound Benn up so much within the first 30 seconds of opening his mouth. Size difference isn’t looking too crazy at the face off. Benn is built thicc sort or reminiscent of Canelo vs Plant in comparative size


Superb-Draft

Any interest in the Bareknuckle fight in London next week? I don't know anything about the fighters, I assume they have no boxing background


TheQuietMan22

Check out Conor Tierney vs Jeremiah Riggs from the other week on BKFC, the same company. Great fight. MVP and Mike Perry are primarily MMA guys, although MVP has had a couple of moody boxing matches Danny Christie, Carlisle hardman, and fairly decent amateur boxer is on the card I believe, vs ex MMA guy Terry Brazier. Personally I like the Bareknuckle fighting, its where it all started isn't it, and I love the history of it all Dave Feldman has put his show on the same night as Usyk vs AJ so that likely wasn't a good idea. I'm looking forward to Christies fight the most. Tony Giles is on the card aswell I think


Superb-Draft

Hey, thanks for the insight that's appreciated! I will take a look into the fights. BKFC hasn't been on my radar at all but if they're doing events in the UK now I will at least check them out. You're right though about timing that has to be the worst night in 2022 they could have chosen. Not too smart clearly


TheQuietMan22

That's alright 👍Yes, there's been some great fights on the company. BKB Official based here in the UK used to be the better company but I think the BKFC takes that mantle now. Yes, very bad timing


anakmager

just remembered that Mikey Garcia fought Errol Spence. Wtf was that


MrsPuffSmashedMyFoot

Where can I get the best pre fight analysis? Something that goes into depth for watch boxer on the card and what exactly to watch for


bigfatpup

Cant remember which fight but one of the fury wilder fights (I think the 2nd) BT had Ben Davison doing some good analysis on tactics


Superb-Draft

If you subscribe to promoter and tv youtube channels they put up different things. The UK is much better at this tbh. Open Workouts are usually full of analysis on the full card. Boxxer have actually started doing open workouts for every card, sometimes instead of doing a presser, and it's much better


anakmager

Last Monday, I got the better of my teenage cousin in sparring. He actively does muay thai 4 days a week and is absolutely ripped while I haven't put on gloves in 3 years and has the body of a typical office worker. What a great feeling. Don't care that he's 3 inches and 20 lbs smaller than me, or that he beat the shit out of me multiple times since. Monday was my Rumble in The Jungle.


TheSportsGuy2000

Haha for sure man. I sparred for the first time in months the other day and was able to weave shots extremely well/apply pressure. It’s almost like a high, especially reaching the final bell(timer in my case). Super fun especially when ego isn’t really involved


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TheSportsGuy2000

Fr man. AJ-Usyk here soon tho 👀


bluehaven101

UFC's content production is just several levels above anything boxing does, just look at this, this face-to-face is is so so compelling - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJbqXw0BPMM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJbqXw0BPMM) The UFC innovate every week, they aren't afraid to try something new. But in boxing, we get the same stale content, again and again. Here, there was no need for an Eddie Hearn figure who isn't a good interviewer


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captainseas

Curious as to what their revenue distribution model has to do with their abilities to promote. When I see an incomprehensible, poorly produced boxing press conference that takes forever, has a bunch of people nobody knows or cares about make statements, a million people on stage, etc it’s not like the fighters getting a fair portion of the take makes it better.


bluehaven101

i guess im the opposite, fights and money issues aside, been a semi-hardcore boxing fan for about 6 years now and man, the content production is dog shite. I'm sure the UFC production when they were with Spike TV / Fox was bad, even bits when they were with ESPN. But the UFC stopped relying on their broadcaster and started to do more shit on their own platforms. The weigh shows is levels better then anythin boxing do, the pressers are way better, they actually let journalists ask questions. They also do a really good job promoting from the very first pre-lims fight, boxing don't do that. The production quality is consistent regardless of fighter in the UFC, it isn't like that in boxing. The Youtube content is high quality, the closest in boxing is Eddie Hearn's Matchroom boxing, but even that, his content is pretty clean, has a corporate feel, stale - there isn't any innovation in boxing. Even the luboxing posters all look the same. The few things i think boxing does better than the UFC is giving access to small boxing youtubers for interviews, i personally enjoy that but i can also see that from the UFC's perspective where they may think it reduces the prestige of the brand. Also, only during major fights, like Canelo, AJ or Fury, they have way better walkouts.


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Sweetest_of_Sugar

that card gets better and better


HoxHound

How come fans of Tyson Fury and Geovanta Davis don't want them to fight the top guys in their division?


thewizard404

Didn't you say that Whyte was going to KO Fury easily? Wasn't Whyte a top guy according to you?


HoxHound

Whyte is a top guy, one of the two top 10 fighters that Fury has faced. Fury should fight the guys in the top ten, not Chisora or non-boxers. What point are you trying to make exactly?


thewizard404

His last 3 fights were against top 10 opponents so I don't don't know why you posted your original comment. To me it's pretty clear that Chisora is a warmup fight before he fights the Usyk vs AJ winner next year.


WebtoonThrowaway99

Because they are actually just waiting on them to fight each other


Booger-Krang

This for me lol'ing


Booger-Krang

Why isn't there a US network selected for the AJ Usyk rematch? How does DAZN not already have these rights??


Benjips

Saudis holding the rights hostage


graveyeverton93

Let me start by saying that I am not the biggest fan of either to be honest, but could you honestly imagine the outrage if Joshua was calling out Chisora and some weightlifter?


HoxHound

Fury fans believe he is the best, but also don't want him fighting tough competition. It's a weird thing that I've never seen in boxing before.


cte_fans

Does anyone know how taxes work on purse winnings? Does a fighter pay taxes from the total winnings and then pay their team with the net earnings? Or are the payements first divided to the team and then the fighter pays the remainder amount as a gross income?


BBW_Looking_For_Love

One caveat: I haven’t taken a tax class in about eight years. But I think the whole purse would be taxable but the fighter can deduct the amounts they pay to their team from that, so the net effect is that they’re only taxed on what they keep. They wouldn’t have to pay tax on the total amount before they pay their team, manager, etc


cte_fans

that sounds right


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_Sarcasmic_

You posted a link to a link to a BoxingScene article that is about a topic that was already posted when the tragic event happened.


VGAddict

Tomorrow is the 40th anniversary of the death of Salvador Sanchez. This made me think about what other great fighters died too young. What fighters do you think we lost too soon?


bigfatpup

Liston and Marciano, historically, but Pat Day, Buthelezi, Dadashev Or everyone on this list I haven’t mentioned https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_injuries_sustained_in_boxing


THE_LORD_HERESY

JMM had to be one of the biggest dummies in boxing for turning down $150 million to fight Pac. He said the reason was, “Better the pride, the dignity, the love for the sport, and the most important victory of my life because we had beaten the best pound-for-pound fighter at that time.” Fuck all that soft shit. That's $150 million on the table and you don't take it? That one fight would have been more than all his previous fights combined. This is prize fighting and he walks away from a $150 million prize? Dummy boy.


anakmager

I forgot who said it, maybe Dave Chappelle. He said that the difference in lifestyle between someone with 20 million and someone with 200 million is little. They eat the same restaurants, go the same vacation spots, and their kids go to the same school. If anything, the other guy has the extra pressure of a whopping extra 180 mil to think about


THE_LORD_HERESY

Jmm = dummy boy.


anakmager

He rejected 150 mil but not his own piss, so maybe you got a point


THE_LORD_HERESY

I have no idea what this even means.


anakmager

Juan drinks piss


THE_LORD_HERESY

Wtf?


Chadoodling

He already had enough money. He didn't "need" it, but he really "needed" the satisfaction of Knocking out pacquiao and keeping it that way for his own ego. Its quite a reasonable train of thought really. You and I would probably go for the money, but each person has their own priority JMM's is just built different. Calling him dumb is uncalled for.


THE_LORD_HERESY

He's a dummy.


Chadoodling

Well that dummy, is richer and more successful than both of us combined and his name will still be mentioned even after he dies. Hope you achieve a fraction of his dumb life.


THE_LORD_HERESY

No, I only want to achieve what my father has set before me. He's still dummy boy.


Chadoodling

Well I hope you make your father proud.


Opening_Upstairs8030

I got a alternate history question for the old heads here…. Roy Jones Jr. just won the heavyweight title in 2003, and was planning on fighting Mike Tyson at heavyweight before retiring. However, he gave in to the trash talk from Antonio Tarver and dropped down to light heavyweight after the fight with Mike fell through. His career after this tarnished his legacy. If Roy went and fought Mike at this time (likely beating him, as Roy was at his best at heavyweight and Mike was on the back end of his career), then retired, would more people put Roy in their top 5 boxers of all time?


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Roy wasnt at his best at heavyweight. But yes he probably would‘ve won. And yes, I think that would silence all the guys who say that Roys absence of fundsmentals sped up his decline


THE_LORD_HERESY

Has this alternate universe Roy ever taken peds? Are they legal in this universe?


Opening_Upstairs8030

Please let me know what this has to do with anything regarding this hypothetical.


THE_LORD_HERESY

In reality, Jones was on peds. So if you are going to consider/take into account everything else from this reality ie Roy being at his best, Tyson being on a decline, how can you not talk about his ped use? Why not say fuck it, change the history, put them in the 70s, turn one of them white, give one of them a cybernetic arm, have Nina Hartley as a ring girl, have Chris Rock as a ref and have Elton John singing the Star Spangled fuckin' Banner?


Opening_Upstairs8030

Because his PED use has nothing to do with the hypothetical? The fuck? Should I include the fact that he was a rapper or his dad was a boxer too? His PED use has nothing to do with this hypothetical because in the scenario I brought up he had already been doing PEDs. I never said he wasn’t on peds. It just has nothing to do with the scenario. Might want to get checked for schizo bro, because you’re literally just arguing with yourself at this point.


THE_LORD_HERESY

>Because his PED use has nothing to do with the hypothetical? Why doesn't it? He's a champ right? >Should I include the fact that he was a rapper or his dad was a boxer too? Are these variables relevant to him becoming a champ? We know PEDs were. >His PED use has nothing to do with this hypothetical because in the scenario I brought up he had already been doing PEDs. So you're ok with fighters on PEDs being discussed in ATG topics? >I never said he wasn’t on peds. You made no mention of it in the previous post which is *why* it was asked about. >Might want to get checked for schizo bro, because you’re literally just arguing with yourself at this point. Mental health issues are serious. I'm not arguing with *anyone*. Howevver, you're the one upset at two posters (myself and another poster) for not playing along with this wacky shit. Edit: typos.


Opening_Upstairs8030

If you don’t think 90% of professional athletes aren’t juicing, you’re out of touch. Most causal watchers haven’t actually been around the sport, so they don’t realize how many of these guys are juicing. It’s all about not getting caught. The people getting caught are incredibly negligent. I didn’t need to mention him being on PEDs. He’s already in the all time great debate. I’m saying he’s not generally considered one by many people who watch boxing is because of his later career. So him doing PEDs again, has nothing to do with the conversation. I do believe mental health is serious as well. It was a lighthearted joke. And you were arguing with yourself about the relevance of Roy doing PEDs because it has nothing to do with this conversation. You can claim you weren’t, that doesn’t change what happened. I’ve argued with two people who have a problem with my hypothetical that was one fight away from happening. You brought up some insane hypothetical that doesn’t even make sense to try to discredit my hypothetical. That’s pure insanity. If you have a problem with people debating hypotheticals, don’t engage with the debate!


THE_LORD_HERESY

>If you don’t think 90% of professional athletes aren’t juicing, you’re out of touch. I have no proof that would make me think this. What tangible proof do you have to support your claim? >Most causal watchers haven’t actually been around the sport, so they don’t realize how many of these guys are juicing. It’s all about not getting caught. The people getting caught are incredibly negligent. So you're not a casual watcher, have been around the sport and believe these athletes and trainers have the mental capacity and tools to sidestep top doctors/medical professionals, science and technology...ok. >I didn’t need to mention him being on PEDs. He’s already in the all time great debate. I’m saying he’s not generally considered one by many people who watch boxing is because of his later career. Anyone who knows anything about boxing should actually look at how many ATGs he actually has on his resume and defeated, as opposed to the later part of his career. >So him doing PEDs again, has nothing to do with the conversation. It has plenty. I don't consider any fighter who has tested hot to be in the discussion. One fighter is doing it clean, by the book, etc while another is on some extra shit. Fuck that. >I do believe mental health is serious as well. It was a lighthearted joke. And you were arguing with yourself about the relevance of Roy doing PEDs because it has nothing to do with this conversation. You can claim you weren’t, that doesn’t change what happened. You're too emotionally attached. It's a hypothetical situation and I'm asking you about whatever variables are at play. On PEDs? Wouldn't be considered in my book. > I’ve argued with two people who have a problem with my hypothetical that was one fight away from happening. You brought up some insane hypothetical that doesn’t even make sense to try to discredit my hypothetical. That’s pure insanity. If you have a problem with people debating hypotheticals, don’t engage with the debate! You sound like a woman on her period. Take your worthless hypothetical and be gone from The Lord's presence


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Opening_Upstairs8030

Good job dodging an important part of the hypothetical 👍🏽 I asked would his legacy would have been better had he retired earlier, then you went and made a new hypothetical where he didn’t retire


Sweetest_of_Sugar

with the AB fight coming up, it’s interesting to see how newer fans dont exactly understand just how shocking it was when he took his first L against maidana many pundits (as well as the overall boxing community) felt that it was as if floyd mayweather had taken a loss because broner was so close to him in terms of skill and resume. floyd later jumped ahead with his signature wins over pacquiao and mcgregor while broner went on to repeatedly lose against nobodies


THE_LORD_HERESY

"...while broner went on to repeatedly lose against nobodies" Huh?


captainseas

Sorta comparable to Mayorga imo. If you only caught the last few years of his career you would think he was just some idiot getting big fights because of his name and antics (which he certainly was at the end) but if you missed out earlier you wouldent see that he used to be considered kind of good.


bigfatpup

Savage calling Shawn Porter, Mikey Garcia, and Manny Fucking Pacquiao nobodies. But fair enough if you’re including ‘beating’ Santiago because I thought Broner lost that one


cte_fans

when money beats em they are "signature" wins but when the problem loses to them they are "nobodies"


Gold-Bird7800

Anybody got an alternative for boxrec? It was great for years and years and over night they've made it borderline garbage


captainseas

Where is Caleb Plant?


HoxHound

PBC guy. Be grateful if you see him fight once a year.


Gold-Bird7800

He said in mid June that he'll be back soon. Possibly against Andre Darrell. Apparently, they have some bad blood due to some things Darrell has said about plant in the past


HoxHound

The date thing is an excuse. They need to start stacking their cards.


frowawaymane

Showtime doesn’t have the dates for all of the PBC guys, its definitely hurting a lot of the top dudes in the stable w inactivity. I’m sure he’ll get a fight before the end of year but Caleb was mostly on FOX before they stopped doing regular cable shows.


DengusMcFlengus

Man this dude has been saying he's coming back for several months. I'm annoyed by him cuz he's stayed talkin shit to people too since the Canelo fight yet Canelo has already had a fight since then and he's remained without a fight announcement


captainseas

Thanks, didn't actually know Dirrell was even around anymore.


averageinformant

Really think Eddie is taking a massive risk throwing Benn in with Eubank Jnr. I know he's not Golovkin and there is a lot of money to be made but from a boxing perspective I'd prefer Benn to clime up the ranks in Welterweight. Looks like they are following the money, just hope Benn does not get too hurt from the fight


RRR04_

Honestly, I think DAZN are pressuring Hearn and De La Hoya for bigger fights. They wanted Benn to fight Khan until he retired, tried for Brook but then he retired too. So since Benn tweeted that he fancied his chances with Eubank at a catchweight, DAZN saw no other option. That's the only logical reason I could think of.


mergerr

Too juicy a deal to pass up. As others have said its a win/win. His stock wont fall in a L that much as eubank is bigger. If he wins he becomes kind of proven, and he beats the bigger guy. All for a very high payday.


averageinformant

Correct but I just hope we don't have a Kell Brook situation. That one big payday pretty much stopped him from having multiple big pay days and leaving a bigger legacy. As long as Conor loses with no bad injuries