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captainseas

No one that actually follows boxing really thought this was happening in 2022 anyway


Lsalizar96

I’m telling you right now that Teofimo fight ain’t happening either so don’t get your hopes up


Trxgxc

It absolutely won’t happen. Bob arum himself said they aren’t doing cross promotion with Dazn because they aren’t needed and nobody watches it.


Benjips

Which is dumb as fuck. Totally wishful thinking on Arum's part. Crawford's best PPV was like 125k with the titan of Disney + ESPN's advertising behind him. Arum needs to be self aware.


TheDangerdog

>Arum needs to be self aware. Bro Arum is in his early/mid hundreds. Just a guess.....but self awareness is prob not one of his strengths at this point 😆


Revolutionary_Box569

Ryan would’ve at least had a substantial size advantage against Tank, take that away against someone who on his best day might be better than Tank and I don’t give Ryan that much of a shot


Flatzon1

Floyd isn’t letting a fight happen with anyone who isn’t on PBC. I believe Oscar on this one


Orod23

There’s a video from the 5th with DLH saying talks are going good and the fight is looking likely, next day he did a interview saying he hasn’t talked to anyone from tanks team because they don’t answer and he doesn’t know who is in charge. Hard to believe DLH


shibapenguinpig

Hard to believe you without them sources


Lastcleanunderwear

The source is De La Hoya’s own mouth


shibapenguinpig

I meant the videos. I need to see them


RRR04_

Not just Floyd, it's Al Haymon as a whole for PBC


Trxgxc

It’s not the fact that Ryan isn’t on PBC is that Dazn wants it PPV on its own platform and Showtime. While Showtime just wants the fight on its own platform without any Dazn inference.


bozzi16

I don’t see much of a problem with this though? Seems like showtime are the issue here


Wavepops

no its oscar, he already killed charlo vs munguia, hes doing the same here. No one would buy tank vs ryan on dazn but not buy bc its on showtime. people dont have dazn, so the joint ppv angle is stupid. Oscar doesnt have alot of A fighters, ryan vergil and munguia are the only reason oscar got a new deal with dazn in the first place so hes not gonna willingly let ryan fight on another platform as the B side. Which he is to gervonta


bozzi16

If everyone is still going to buy it on showtime then I fail to see the issue. Join PPV makes more sense than give up his cash cow to another promotion. Take your fanboy hat off for a minute and just accept that


Wavepops

So then why would dazn be apart of the promotion at all? Lol they get to not contribute but get a slice of the pie? Actually think


bozzi16

They get to try and make their subscriber base larger, this is as close to a 50/50 PPV fan base as we can get in boxing right now tbh, tank isn’t this huge a side, look at his numbers, nothing unreal considering Floyd is a HUGE part of every promotion for the vast majority of his career


Wavepops

Exactly so it doesn’t help the fighters really or make it bigger just gives dazn money for no reason, money that would be going to the fighters . I mean tank fights on ppvs that are profitable Ryan does not, so yea he’s the A side


bozzi16

Tanks PPVs aren’t huge numbers, what do you mean the money would go to the fighters? You do realise the PPV model of DAZN and showtime will be similar and if the fight was going to sell, say 500k for example, it’s still going to sell the same amount with it being co PPV or just showtime, this way dazn recoup some of the money they’ve invested into Ryan. I fail to see what the issue with that is? Every business would do the same in that position. Take off your fan boy glasses and look at the bigger picture, it’s a 50/50 fight have it on two broadcasters that’s all that’s stopping it from happening from what we can gather, the side that doesn’t want to share any the profits is clearly the one stopping the fight from happening


newrap

It's not a 50/50 type of deal when one guys largest gate is about 3 or 4 times the largest gate of the other. Oscar's insistence of DAZN being invovled is his attempt to kill the fight just like he did for Charlo vs Munguia. KingRy has no issues with fighting Tank on Showtime, and if Oscar wants to get in the way because he wants to stay in DAZN's good graces then shame on him, Goldenboy would have to be invovled in the event regardless if its on Showtime exclusively. We all know Munguia was pissed about what Oscar did.


Wavepops

right but it sells 500k without DAZN taking a portion of the PIE. Showtime gets their amount Ryan and Tank get their portion. DAZN is another mouth that gets fed for no reason since they dont help the fight generate more money. Also Tank generates anywhere from 20-30 million when he fights, thats significant, if anything im not sure you are familiar with the business of boxing in any sense. Tank does 4 million dollar live gates at minimum now, then add 250k or so PPV buys. Thats almost 23 million dollars in revenue he can create in one night and the rolly fight was bigger than the numbers i just put together . Ryan is growing into a big attraction too, i think eventually he will be doing similar things to tank, but tank is next to errol spence as an attraction right now. Getting to PPV level is rare as is.


seacucumber45

My non boxing fan friends keep asking me if this fight is going to happen, and I keep telling them no because of exactly what you described.


newrap

Oscar was the one who turned down the fight last year lmfao. He also put a stop to Charlo vs Munguia...


threetwogetem

They don’t care man lol PBC bad & that’s that. Truth be damned lol


Wavepops

I hate seeing Oscar using bob arums tactics successfully lol. Can’t hate the player I guess


lord-of-war-1

I do too. Oscar wants a cross promotion so everyone gets paid but the others dont want that. They want to only do it on their networks. Come one now, dont be stupid. That means Oscar makes less than they do. Who in their right mind does that?


Twoverybigwords00

So Floyd doesn’t believe in Tank and is protecting him? He was for sure protecting him from Loma a few years ago. You’d think they would want to absorb all the clout from Ryan Garcia if they were so confident.


dirt_shitters

Floyd's protecting tank and Oscar is protecting Ryan. They will talk shit for years and be a cash out fight for whoever burns out first


AltKite

To be fair Ryan absolutely wasn't anywhere near ready to fight Loma "a few years ago" and it would have been mental to put him in the ring with him.


LaMambaNegra24

Ryan or Tank?


AltKite

Oh sorry I completely misread. Tank should have fought him


TheDangerdog

Should have and it would have been a damn good fight even if we all think Loma would have won, I still don't see Tank just laying down and taking the L. He would have fought his ass off. Instead we got absolutely nothing from Tank/Floyd/Haymon. Tank is gonna be 30yo with zero career defining wins or high profile fights.


lord-of-war-1

PBC already did this with Wilder. They know it eventually pays off. Thats what keeps them doing it. Tank has the Wilder potential so they will milk it as long as they can.


MBlack84

Oscar on Friday: Off to a great start negotiating the Tank fight. Oscar on Saturday: Tank side playing games and not answering phone Either Oscar is a terrible negotiator and is jumping to a conclusion really early in a negotiation or (and more likely) he's full of shit


ethnicbonsai

Lopez has already [responded](https://www.boxingscene.com/teofimo-lopez-ryan-garcia-f-you-you-t-play-me-youre-hype-not-serious-about-fight--168250). TL;DR: Lopez will believe it when he sees the contract. He doesn't want to talk about Garcia. Then he proceeds to talk about how Garcia is all hype, he (Lopez) doesn't duck anyone, and now it's his "time to shine". Meanwhile, he refused to rematch Lomachenko and is fighting Pedro Campo. Because he's the greatest fighter of this generation.


Due-Studio-65

He should have refused the rematch. The best thing to happen to all great fighters is the road back to the championship. If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, Loma would have regained his belts earlier this year and would be on his way to fighting Haney to unify. That would have been a much better story than a Teo trilogy.


ethnicbonsai

I agree with you about "the story" - but my problem is that Teo didn't beat a fully healthy Loma. He was clearly gun shy over his shoulder, which he had [surgery](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13014450/vasyl-lomachenko-shoulder-surgery-hospital-teofimo-lopez/) on after the loss. I don't say this to de-legitimize Teo's win. Loma went into the fight with an injury. He chose to do that. And he spent half the fight being inactive. The loss is legitimate, and was the price he paid for thinking he could beat someone like Teo while not being fully healthy. But, for me, there are still questions there. And we'll never get answers to those questions because Teo wanted to rub it in Loma's face that there was no rematch clause. It's hard to take Teo seriously. He talks so much shit - and hasn't been able to back it up. He wouldn't rematch Loma. He got his ass beat by Kambosos and then disrespected the man who beat him, but also refused to rematch him - which is a smart move if Teo can't make weight anymore. After his win - he seemed primed to be the bright young star of boxing. He unseated Lomachenko, for god's sake. Literally everything since then has made me lose respect for him.


TheDangerdog

If your willing to put an asterisks next to Loma-Teo because of an injury then go ahead and throw the same asterisks next to Teo-Kambosos because he was injured in that fight. Or just drop all the asterisks and accept that Teo beat Loma full stop. Boxers will always come up with an excuse that's just how they cope with L's. Agree that Teo is 100% delusional, but then again lots of fighters are delusional egomaniacs. Also the only person to blame for there being no rematch between Loma-Teo is Loma. Teos team asked for a rematch clause pre fight, Lomas team said no. It was silly of them to turn around and ask again after they lost. If I was Teo I would have told them to go eat a dick too.


ethnicbonsai

>If your willing to put an asterisks next to Loma-Teo because of an injury then go ahead and throw the same asterisks next to Teo-Kambosos because he was injured in that fight. First of all, I don't "put an asterisk" next to the fight. Loma chose to fight, and it didn't go his way. Thems the breaks. But I think it's fair to look at the circumstances there and be skeptical that a rematch would've gone the same way. As to the second half of the above quote, I'm confused as to why you assume any inconsistency on my part. Teo also went into the fight with medical issues. Kambosos was the better man that night - just as Teo was against Loma - but did anyone walk away from that fight thinking Kambosos would've done as well in a rematch? I sure didn't. There was a lot of criticism for Teo for not taking Kambosos seriously, and when it came out that he had medical issues I think the general consensus was, "ah, that makes sense." I rate Teo better than I rate Kambo. Similarly, I think Loma is better than Teo (though, they are closer than Teo and Kambo). We'll never know, though, because Teo refused the rematch. >Or just drop all the asterisks and accept that Teo beat Loma full stop. There's no reason I should. Life is more complex than that. Fighters lose for a reason. Sometimes, it's as simple as he wasn't as good as the other guy. Sometimes it's more complex. In this case, I think it's more complex. >Boxers will always come up with an excuse that's just how they cope with L's. There are excuses, and there are reasons. The two look similar, but they aren't always the same. >Also the only person to blame for there being no rematch between Loma-Teo is Loma. I never said otherwise. But that doesn't mean a rematch wasn't warranted. It was a hell of a lot more deserved than Wilder-Fury III. People complain about rematch clauses, but when you have a close fight between two elite guys and there are questions about why the fight turned out the way it did, there are two options: step back into the ring and settle any questions, or move on with your life and leave people questioning your success. Decades ago, fighters were a lot more willing to rematch guys who upset them - or gave them unexpected challenges. Sugar Ray Robinson didn't have to fight Lamotta five times - but he did, because he wanted to settle any questions about who was better after LaMotta beat him. Fighters today don't have that same drive, so we have rematch clauses. Loma, in his arrogance, didn't put that in the contract. So Teo had the right to turn down a rematch. Just as I have the right to question if he's really the better fighter. If he doesn't want people questioning that, then he should've made the effort to set aside any doubts. He didn't. This is the result. >Teos team asked for a rematch clause pre fight, Lomas team said no. It was silly of them to turn around and ask again after they lost. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the clause would've meant - but I don't have a *massive* issue with Loma not giving Teo a rematch clause. Loma was the favorite going into the fight, and it was Teo's first defense of his IBF strap. If I was a champion, and one of the P4P elites, I wouldn't give a rematch clause to every guy I step in the ring with. If I was Spence fighting Crawford? Sure. Against a young guy in his first defense? Eh. I can see why he didn't feel the need to. That said, this is the price you pay for not doing it. I bet Loma would've done differently if he had the chance to go back and change his decision. I don't think Teo violated any rules by not rematching Loma - just as I dont think Loma did by not granting the rematch clause. But I think they both made the wrong decision. Loma ended up losing and wanting a rematch he couldn't get, and Teo ended up leaving a question mark over his (to this point) career defining fight. He beat an injured Lomachenko. That's the best thing that can be said about his career. That's better than most fighters can say - but it's still not as good as saying you beat the best when he was at his best. And for a guy who talks as much shit as Teo - it makes him look even more ridiculous to me. YMMV


Due-Studio-65

The health stuff is just copium at this point. Before the fight,Loma were already prepping the cope, with the, even if he loses its because Teos bigger. Theres no world where you just give Teo his due. Loma was beat full stop, and has done a great job of earning his way back to the championship picture. That's who he is as a boxer. His fans should be proud, but instead it's "he was hurt" and somehow at the same time " if he just had 3 more rounds because he figured out Teo." It sullies his accomplishments to make weak excuses.


ethnicbonsai

>The health stuff is just copium at this point. How is a legitimate injury "copium"? He lost because he was inactive for half the fight. He was inactive because he had an injured shoulder. This isn't a complicated issue. >Before the fight,Loma were already prepping the cope, with the, even if he loses its because Teos bigger. Theres no world where you just give Teo his due. If you and I run a 100m race and I pull a hamstring - it's not out of line to say, "hey, I got hurt." That doesn't change the outcome of the race, but it's a factual statement about what happened. People are so weird about acknowledging when someone is adversely effected by something in a fight. >Loma was beat full stop Did I say otherwise? No. I didn't. No one here is rewriting history. >His fans should be proud, but instead it's "he was hurt" and somehow at the same time " if he just had 3 more rounds because he figured out Teo." The second part has no relevance to this conversation, because I didn't say that. As to the first - he was hurt. Ignoring a fact that you don't like doesn't make it go away. Teo beat a Loma that had an injury. That Loma was injured doesn't change the outcome of the fight, but that Teo won doesn't change the fact that Loma was hurt. Both are facts. >It sullies his accomplishments to make weak excuses. If Teo wanted to remove any question about who was better - he would've rematched Loma. And no one here is making excuses. "Making excuses" and "understanding why things happened the way they did" are different things.


lord-of-war-1

You think Lopez refused to fight a smaller guy he clearly beat already? You're that kind of stupid, uh? Teo outgrew 135. He said it all along he only had a few fights left there. He made 135 like three times for the Kambosos fight. He was done there. Tell Loma to come up to 140 for the rematch.


ethnicbonsai

>You think Lopez refused to fight a smaller guy he clearly beat already? You're that kind of stupid, uh? I mean, he clearly did. This isn't a debatable issue. He outgrew 135 after refusing to give Loma a rematch. My evidence for this is that he spent the better part of a year preparing to fight Kambosos. His stated reason for not rematching Loma was, "the Lomachenko camp was mean to me" not, "I can't make weight". Or maybe I'm just "stupid". YMMV


lord-of-war-1

Are you ignoring the fact he repeatedly said he was struggling to make weight? And then the Kambosos fight showed he was no longer healthy there. Why would you want him to fight Loma if he would be weakened by the weight?


Wavepops

Oscar doesn’t want the fight with tank for obvious reasons, but Ryan does. Idk how Ryan will get past the Oscar de la Hoya hurdle


newrap

There is absolutely no chance this happens. There is way more of of a chance Tank vs KingRy happens in December, way more.


Due-Studio-65

I know PBC was protecting Tank before, but I get the feeling there is a little bottleneck with the lightweights in their house, and they want Tank to get out there since even if he loses, they've got other prospects. It probably breaks down over the larger issue of Dazn / Showtime - Dazn needs some piece of this fight, otherwise why pay for the service if you don't get the biggest fights. Showtime can't tell its boxing fans that there's another service out there that is only dedicated to boxing, especially if Garcia wins. If Oscars being honest, that Tank side disappears, this is probably what's going on. Noone at PBC wants to continue the negotiation, because they know that Showtime will squash it. Why get into the money split/ weight/ ring entrance stuff if PBC would probably have to break its contract with showtime to make it happen.


Sweet_Matter2219

This is all bs posturing. The side staying quietist in these situations are often the ones not playing games. You guys have been loud. Handle your business in the emails, phone calls, and contracts. Not in the court of public opinion.


CbBrown88

I mean...... whether it's Teofimo or Gervonta, Garcia still catches a L...


Lastcleanunderwear

It’s not Teo either lol Queue in the next 33 year old


imsmartngl7

1. That fights just not happening 2. Ryan Garcia isn’t in Tank or Teofimos league so I don’t care to see him fight either of them