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Avenger772

Wasn't this shit disproved a long ass time ago. How are people still using this shit? Take his medical license away.


jus256

This came up in a different thread a few weeks ago. I’ll post this link again. A woman felt the need to start an organization to help black women find medical care where they can actually be taken seriously and not have to deal with ridiculous stereotypes. https://www.shematters.health/ I heard a story on NPR where they talked about black women not being able to get an epidural because the doctor felt they could take the pain.


MightGuyGonna

My (black) cousin was given an epidural when she was already 9cm dilated, and unfortunately it barely helped cause that’s so late :( it hurt to watch her in distress and pain like that


jus256

I remember when we were on the way into the hospital when my first child was born. There was a woman on her way out who I assume they were sending home. She was walking with her mother. She was in so much pain. I was thinking there is no way that woman isn’t in labor. They tried to run that same shit on my wife but she told them she hadn’t slept. They gave her morphine so she could sleep. When the OB came back a few hours later, she was dilated to 3 cm. The OB said “oh I guess you are having a baby today.” I’m thinking to myself, that’s what the fuck we told you when we walked in here.


Probably_A_Variant

When I was having my daughter they poked me in my spine 4 times because they couldn’t get the epidural right


sw33tdeerock

Three times for me. 3rd time shot pain down my spine and through my leg as he injected the medication! I told him to "get the f**ck away from me!" It didn't take. I felt everything! . . For that baby's sister, 2 yrs later... I told the doc I was ready to push shortly after he checked me. He said, "I just checked you, you're not ready!" Minutes later, my husband and the technician were catching my baby like a f*cking football because they hadn't even finished PREPPING for my delivery. Mofos still charged every dime for her delivery tho 😑


Probably_A_Variant

I had my #3 with no epidural. Got to the hospital at 2 am, had him at 2:10 am. I recovered better after I had him. No back pain or headaches. The spinal headaches I had after my daughter was brutal


sw33tdeerock

Needless to say, I didn't bother to ask with my last... but I feel you. Recovery was quick! I felt totally alert and had way more energy without the epidural (for both technically). Mofos still need to stop mistreating and dismissing us!


MamitaTres

My anesthesiologist poked me so many times and then figured out the epidural needle was too short. I was made to bring my knees up, hunch my shoulders AND hold still while in active labor with my twins. He just laughed when he realized his mistake. I would have nut punched that doctor if I’d the chance.


mishaunc

Omg, that’s horrible. What a d!ck. I’m so sorry that happened to you on a day that is supposed to be joyous.


Skankcunt420

Look at Serena William and what happened to her and she’s a rich ass athlete


JudyLyonz

Yup, I say this all the time. If Serena, one of the most famous and wealthy women in the freaking world is almost killed due to post partum neglect, the rest of us are royally screwed.


VodkaSoup_Mug

The healthcare system was built mainly for white men. Everyone else they love to base care off of racial stereotypes.


SmartWonderWoman

Thanks for sharing!


caramelga83

When I had a C-section in 2020, I told them that I could feel them cutting me. They told me that it was just pressure. 😒 thankfully my husband was there. He’s a pretty big guy. All he said was, “she said it hurts.” They gave me more meds. So frustrating.


hatethiscity

Fun fact: gingers really do feel significantly less pain on average. As an anecdote. In the US military basic training, you are exposed to tear gas in order to be familiar with the effects. That shit fucked me up, but the 2 redheads in my flight were completely fine. Source: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/study-finds-link-between-red-hair-pain-threshold#:~:text=Research%20has%20shown%20that%20people,pain%20tolerance%20may%20be%20higher.


Nikolllllll

Nope, they do have different pain thresholds but they actually need more anesthesia than the general population.


Airie

Can confirm, was born ginger but lost the red hair at a young age. I have to REALLY fight to make sure Drs know that I'm going to need significantly more anesthetic (especially if it's a local) than most people. I can't imagine being black and not having people take me seriously, I've had black friends share their experiences and you'd think the doctor believed they didn't feel pain at all. Horrible shit.


soup2nuts

That's interesting to note because I'm half Asian but my father is of Scottish descent and I have red streaks in my beard and head. I have a fairly high pain threshold (I've had four teeth extracted and have never taken pain medication for it, I just dealt with the pain because I found it wasn't that distracting, just mildly annoying) and one time I needed major oral surgery they put me under and I woke up in the middle of the surgery.


FracturedAuthor

Oh that's wild!! Are you okay?


soup2nuts

Yeah, the oral surgery was 25 years ago. I just woke up but it wasn't enough to feel anything. And they caught it fast enough. I remember one of them saying "I think he's awake."


Viend

> Can confirm, was born ginger but lost the red hair at a young age. I have to REALLY fight to make sure Drs know that I'm going to need significantly more anesthetic (especially if it's a local) than most people. > > I feel like y'all are actually arguing against each other. One is saying gingers have a higher pain threshold, while you're saying you need more anesthetic because it's lower?


the-wifi-is-broken

I think they are unrelated points, on one hand gingers are both more resistant to pain, but those receptor differences also make them less sensitive to anesthetic, so it takes more to properly knock them out.


purplepenguin4163

Because they're also biologically more resistant to anesthetics.


Chance-Promotion5322

Did the gas chamber training felt the same physical distress as anyone else. I was stubborn and disciplined enough not to show it, however.


hatethiscity

I don't think I had a choice but to show it. I literally couldn't see or breathe for minutes after because it was pure snot and tears and burning for 30ish minutes for me. I know this is purely anecdotal but one of those gingers is still one of my best friends. He has gotten pepper sprayed as well and claims it's very mild for him


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Darqnyz

There's this weird correlation I've found, and it's people who are double jointed (don't experience joint pain from over extension), and can run very long distances, they experience less pain from CS gas.


King-Krown

Because they NEEEEEED to dehumanize us. It is instrumental to their society that we be less in every way. The construct of ytness cannot exist without having people beneath it.


Pristine_Nothing

> Wasn't this shit disproved a long ass time ago. More appalling to me is the fact that it ever became a working hypothesis…there are minor biochemical differences that correlate broadly with ethnicity, but totally different nervous system function is just absurd.


nsrtesla

I love Sherlock Holmes but if you read some of the stories by Doyle…racist as fuck…..


Adezar

I mean the vaccine causing autism was debunked in like a minute, a single 7-page study that was poorly run and peer-review ripped it to shreds. Hundreds of studies have proven it wrong, and yet it keeps going...


JudyLyonz

The difference here though is the shitty article was published by the Lancet, one of the most well respected, credible medical journals in the world. It too them a long time to retract it too. So when people cling to that one article, one of the things they bring up is that it was initially published in the Lancet. The pain thing, on the other hand, has never been published in a medical journal (as far as I know).


unwrittenglory

People who tend to be antivax are also susceptible to conspiracy theories. After reading threads about vaccines, the antivax crowd thinks the paper was true but the science community is suppressing it for many reasons.


LavaLamp18

And this is why the Maternal mortality rate is so high with A.A women smh.


Agreeable_Giraffe_63

I remember bringing this up on some feminist account on Instagram and people were shocked to learn that black peoples pain tolerance, like everyone else, is dependent on the individual and has nothing to do with the color of our skin. Too many people believed black women were dying at nearly 3 times the rate during maternity compared to any other race because of “biology”.


LavaLamp18

Biology! Ha, yeah right. Outsiders don't wanna call a spade a spade but WE know what it is.


narniaofpartias22

I am seriously flabbergasted over this. So there is a school of thought that black people do not feel pain so it's ok to essentially torture them during medical procedures?? I have no words other than what the fuck?


vainbuthonest

Just look at how we came up with so many modern gynecological techniques. They were performed in enslaved women without any pain medication or anesthesia. They just assumed they wouldn’t feel it.


mouseat9

Please tell me this is untrue. I have no clue why humans are so garbage.


vainbuthonest

I came here to say this. I made sure my OBGYN, her nursing staff and as many of their staff as possible were Black or POC while I was pregnant. My OB was Nigerian and she was AMAZING.


LavaLamp18

OMG! Same here! I honestly feel if my OB was a white woman i would not have gotten the same treatment, they would have been quick to give me an unnecessary C-section. More Black / P.O.C need to get into medicine. Not just the Dr route, we need to infiltrate that system from top to bottom.


vainbuthonest

I searched for my OB and my first prenatal visit, she was unavailable and I had to have a white doctor and she was just…really dismissive. Like I’ve never had a doctor walk in a room and immediately feel like they needed to walk out. Like I wasn’t a patient but a box she just needed to check off so she could do something else. I told the hospital I was working with to let me know when my preferred OB was available and luckily she was before my next appointment. The difference between the two visits were night and day.


PengieP111

I was hit by a drunk driver and nearly killed. I will never forget the kindness, humor, and skill of the West African and West Indian nursing staff that attended to me in the hospital


TheYankunian

I had a Bangladeshi midwife deliver my first child and though she was terrifying, she was top notch. The anaesthesiologist gave me too much of my epidural and I couldn’t feel anything from the chest down. I had black midwives for my second birth and they were fantastic. The one that came after my son was born went next door to tell the neighbours to keep it down because I had a baby last night. I was overdue and the Nigerian midwife said instead of getting induced, to put on my nicest lingerie and take my husband upstairs. Then she let out the filthiest laugh.


LorenzoStomp

How does that work? The baby's like, "Oh shit, guess they need the room, time to roll out."


TheYankunian

🤣🤣🤣 Allegedly, the motion and lovely hormones can induce labour, but it never worked for me! All three of my kids were overdue.


nsrtesla

LOL your kids knew that they were safe because their mama was a WARRIOR and were like…naw….we gonna stay in here as long as possible and ride this out!


RYAN_BENJAMIN

Yep. Here in the UK black woman are [four times more likely](.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/11/black-women-uk-maternal-mortality-rates) to die during child birth than white women, Asian women are twice as likely.


TheYankunian

And it’s across all socioeconomic classes. I had a completely different experience than my white friend even though we had the same ailment.


vainbuthonest

There was a study done in the US that showed that a middle class college educated Black women would get the same standard of care as a lower income white women with no secondary education. Now I’m not saying anyone with a higher education or income level deserves better care but they did find that higher education and higher income resulted in better care for nearly every other race of women except Black women. Serena Williams’ birth story is enough to make it know that we have to advocate for ourselves when healthcare providers aren’t taking us seriously. One of the richest, most well known Black women in the world had to fight to be heard about her own body and still almost died.


thatkenyandude

I wear sunglasses and a white bitch that I was working with asked why black people needed them. I have dark brown eyes and this bitch thought I was born tinted. ![gif](giphy|xL7PDV9frcudO)


KimmiK_saucequeen

They really do not see us as people because wow this is insane


Hellicopter-666

Segregation is obv still happening and having an effect. If white kids arent raised in a diverse neighborhood/school/daycare then theyre more likely to remain socially segregated and ignorant for life. If we can end social and economic segregation there will be less people running around dehumanizing people like sunglasses girl


PsychicFoxWithSpoons

Same thing with separating kids sports by gender


JellyBiafra54321

wait... what? how is this related?


PsychicFoxWithSpoons

Pre puberty there is no difference in athleticism between boys and girls, so it's no big deal, but it's been shown to reduce sexist beliefs and engender respect for women in young boys.


JellyBiafra54321

okay, sure. but we're talking about race


PsychicFoxWithSpoons

And I added additional information to support the argument that diverse and tolerant environments are important for young children. It is not to demean, replace, or distract from racial tolerance but to amplify your point that growing up with different kinds of people, even something as simple as growing up playing sports with children of the opposite sex, leads to tolerance and respect for others.


thatkenyandude

That’s exactly it


Dry-Lemon1382

…..I gotta set the phone down for awhile and process this shit.


thatkenyandude

I feel you lmao. For some reason she thought our eyes take in like differently. *light not like


Blackpaw8825

There is a correlation between photosensitivity and eye color. Exposed to increasingly bright light sources people with darker irises report being "blinded" or in pain from the light much brighter than the blue and grey eyed. I swore up and down this was BS but even just within my social circle, the two of us with blue eyes constantly complain about sunlight and the browns act like we're being babies. PSA: Everybody should wear sunglasses outside anytime the sun's up. Hurts or not, UV exposure to the retina leads to earlier cataract and macular degeneration.


freemoney83

Read that people with brown eyes get eye wrinkles more than blue eyed people because we don’t need sunglasses, squinting is enough. I started wearing sunglasses after reading that lol.


Blackpaw8825

I appreciate that my blue eyes tell me to retreat into the shadows for safety like I'm some kind of orc, but I'm a little envious of you guys (or at least my wife) for the ability to drive due west after 5pm. I can't see shit in those conditions, might as well let Jesus take the wheel.


11thFloorRoof

Lol no way she was serious


thatkenyandude

She was dead serious! She didn’t even think about it when she saw me wear them, she just spewed that shit.


Kailua3000

They really think we're X Men or something


Probably_A_Variant

Say sike right now


Dragonsandman

That may just be the stupidest goddamn statement I’ve ever had the displeasure of hearing about.


ForsakenAd7751

15 years ago had a coworker asked me if black women’s weave where sewed into our scalps. After taking a very long and deep breath I had to spend our whole train ride together talking about the mechanics of a weave. As much as I wanted to ask her if she was crazy, I took into consideration that she was like 100 years old. I’m a total baby when I had to get a few stitches in my finger. Like seriously what kind of person thinks someone would sew hair onto their scalp!


Youdownwithkellyc

I’m petty and would go to HR


Kailua3000

Mental health has a similar history with white clinicians pathologizing differing emotional expression among African Americans which often led to misdiagnosing and ineffective, if not harmful treatment.


qualitylamps

I work in a jail alongside psychiatrists and it’s crazy how they will never diagnose these black men with ptsd. One of the psychiatrists said that since violence is a part of the culture, seeing family and friends die from gang violence doesn’t affect them the same way as people of other races.


Kailua3000

HOLY SHIT. I'm a therapist who works with a LOT of guys with gang/drug game/abuse/legal backgrounds who are deeply traumatized. They come in with symtomatic behavior like explosive anger, substance use, nightmares, flashbacks, difficulty with relationships, depression, survivor's guilt etc. I'm sure you see all of this and more. I consider myself a kind and empathetic person. I want to take a trip to your jail and smack the shit out of that psychiatrist. He's "othered" us black people as if we're a different species and treats the jail like a game preserve. There's an extensive history of that as well, of course.


soup2nuts

Did you slap that fool in front of everyone?


SmartWonderWoman

Can confirm. My kids were kidnapped. My blood pressure increased. The YT nurse said I was overreacting. I requested to never see that person ever again.


Kailua3000

I am SO sorry. I can't imagine what you were feeling when that lady disregarded your very real emotions. Anyone who's not what we call "culturally competent" in healthcare needs to evolve or get the hell out, period.


SmartWonderWoman

Thank you 🙏🏽💜


Kailua3000

No problem at all. If you don't mind me asking, how are you and your kids now?


SmartWonderWoman

My kids were trafficked across state lines and I have not seen them (10f and 13m) since June 2020. I am coping as well as can be expected.


Kailua3000

Trafficking is an absolutely horrific act. I've done a little work with kids who have been trafficked by family members. I hope you are getting all the support (friends, family, mental health, governmental, legal, whatever it may be) that you are needing in this time.


SmartWonderWoman

I appreciate that. I’m not getting any legal or support from police or local district attorney. I’m working on saving money for a legal retainer.


Kailua3000

I hope you get the most qualified representation possible. Again I'm so sorry for everything that you've been through.


FLdancer00

I was the victim of a hit and run at 12:30 at night, pain radiating up and down my back, I couldn't move. When EMS got there and tried taking me out of the car, I was crying from the pain. They asked me what was wrong, if anything else was going on because the damage to my car wasn't that bad. They tried to keep insisting that I was fine.


SmartWonderWoman

WTH! I’m so sorry 😣.


keep-it-light

I have a neurological condition and my first doctor refused to refer me to a neurologist. He referred me to a psychiatrist, who was obviously unable to help me. Like I know what's wrong with my body, fuckface, I'm only in here because my insurance makes me go to primary care first.


Kailua3000

Just flat out refused. Ridiculous. I hate to say that I see similar things happen pretty often.


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Medical Apartheid by Harriet A Washington should be required reading for all medical professionals.


TheYankunian

You know who does feel pain differently? Red headed people with blue eyes. Ain’t too many red-headed, blue eyed black people around. Tip: if you have to have surgery and be put under, make sure your anaesthesiologist has had black patients or is black/POC. Ask me how I know.


dh2215

I’m afraid to ask you how you know


TheYankunian

I had a terrible reaction after having my tonsils out in a rural county hospital. My blood pressure dropped and I needed extra oxygen. I was violently shaking like I had the DTs. I did some research and I found that black people can be more sensitive to anaesthesia. When I had my thyroid removed, I asked to speak to the anaesthesiologist and asked him loads of questions. He was a Pakistani gentleman and he explained he understood that black people react differently and he requested some more blood tests and assured me oxygen would be on standby.


luvitis

I am a red-headed freckled woman with green eyes. I feel pain differently also. When I was 6 I broke my leg, the doctor refused to x-ray because “a child with that kind of injury would be wailing”. I once broke my foot and walked around for 2 days before admitting it “felt different”. I had my gall bladder taken out when I was 24. Surgery was at 7am and I went to work at 1pm. What’s weirder - pain meds don’t work on me. Oxy - makes me a little sleepy I guess. Anesthesia- I wake up super easily. Lidocaine- I need twice the dose you think I do. Tylenol is a joke. I’ve heard it’s something with the red head gene.


TheYankunian

Yes! Pain meds are tricky for redheads. I’m so hard to rouse after anaesthesia that I was kept in hospital for an extra day. Thing is, because I’m black, so many doctors think I’m drug seeking when in reality, I can’t take pain and I react to painkillers. I can usually get by with the lowest does. I can’t take cough medicine with anything in it because it makes me woozy.


luvitis

That sounds horrible. I’m so sorry it’s like that for you.


Same-Key-1086

I have a red headed, blue eyed Asian baby. He looks photo shopped.


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Omg, my mom is mixed Chinese/white and my older sister has natural auburn hair and green eyes! People super do not believe her when she says she’s Chinese lol.


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11thFloorRoof

I wonder if it’s true in mental health as well. That black people aren’t taken seriously because they expect us to struggle. “Strong black man/woman” trope etc


sakaeguchi

I can only speak from my experience, but yes this has felt like the case. With 3 therapists now. It’s especially apparent when I compare my treatment to my white partner’s treatment; he’s been tested for everything under the sun and I can see a lot of the same symptoms between us. But when I try to bring up similar concerns to a therapist I feel like I’m dismissed. The only one that actually seemed to see the symptoms of bipolar 2 and attempted to make treatment plans for it was my black female psychiatrist.


11thFloorRoof

I’m really sorry that you’ve gone through that. It’s enraging to hear tbh but I’m glad that you found a black psychiatrist who investigated your concerns somewhat. Have you still not been diagnosed? I think someone needs to research how black people are not being treated in due time and the effects that this has on their life.


sakaeguchi

She did diagnosis me! But I haven’t had much luck with medication and a genetic test seemed to confirm that I just won’t respond to any typical medications, so we kind of just reached a point where she didn’t know how to proceed with me. But regardless, it was nice to have someone validate my struggles and its allowed me to be a bit kinder to myself when I’m having a hard time. There do seem to be more and more studies/acknowledgment on how black people are treated in healthcare. But I suppose it’ll take some time for certain changes to be implemented


Kailua3000

Absolutely. [I've especially seen this with black women and the societal expectations placed on them.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3072704/)


purplepenguin4163

>I work in a jail alongside psychiatrists and it’s crazy how they will never diagnose these black men with ptsd. One of the psychiatrists said that since violence is a part of the culture, seeing family and friends die from gang violence doesn’t affect them the same way as people of other races. From another comment in this thread by /u/qualitylamps. Pure evil. I still struggle to find one that doesn't trivialize my issues.


SmartWonderWoman

💯💯💯💯💯


jus256

I remember getting stitches in my head twice when I was a kid. I remember being strapped down to a table while a doctor sewed my head back together as I screamed in pain. I remember same thing at the dentist when I got fillings. I had to sit there and take the pain. I assumed that was the way it was supposed to be.


TheYankunian

I went through a window when I was 11 and had what seemed like hundreds of stitches. All I got was local. I should’ve been put under.


jus256

The first time it happened, I was four years old. We were at somebody’s birthday party. Somebody pushed me into a table or something. I don’t remember how it happened. I just remember being at Children’s hospital feeling every stitch being sewn into my head. I mentioned that to my mother recently and she said they did give some kind of local. I wouldn’t remember this 42 years later if that actually happened. The second time it happened when I was about 10. Again, I got pushed into a table when we were playing hide and go seek in the dark. A girl ran up behind me and pushed me face first into the corner of a small table. I got to the bathroom and couldn’t see my face through all of the blood. I was with a friend’s family on the 4th of July. When they brought me back to my grandmother’s house she went off on the lady and took me to the hospital. I was visiting her for the summer in Philly. I remember the exact same thing happening again at the hospital. There is no reason even in the 1980s that I should be feeling somebody stitching my face. Probably not long after that situation, I sliced open my finger with a razor blade when I was putting together a model car. There was no way I was about to go to the hospital to go through that again. I put a rubber band on my finger to stop the bleeding with a bandaid. Luckily it didn’t get infected because I never mentioned it to my parents.


FracturedAuthor

I'm so sorry for little you. Thank you for sharing.


TatteredCarcosa

Put under for stitches? I've never heard of anyone being put under for stitches.


TheYankunian

I had several horrible gashes and lost enough blood to go into shock. I had to dissolving stitches as well as superficial ones. It was bad and when I’ve spoken it to medical friends of mine, they were like, ‘they should’ve put you under.’


Change-up21

J. Marion Sims, the so called father of gynecology was the forerunner of this fallacy. Bastard brought a lot of pain on black bodies.


FakeHasselblad

Torture... He tortured people. [https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves](https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves) Trigger warning, it's horrific.


Boom244

*My source is that I made it the fuck up!* -the physician, probably


MightGuyGonna

A friend of mine was dismissed and denied blood pressure medication even though she has HTN. When she finally got medical attention and HTN diagnosis (after making more than 3 appointments and the hospital still denying her, think of how much money that is) and asked why she was denied it at first, the (white) doc said it’s cause since she’s black, her blood pressure has to be way higher (than a white person with HTN) to be prescribed bp meds and that it’s a regular medical protocol 🤪🤪 of course, when the doc was asked why, she just 🤷‍♀️


Prici_ros

What??? The literature literally says that black people are more at risk to have hipertension and we also tend to have more complications, so they actually had to be more concerned because she's black.


Jeptic

I gotta ask. How the hell do you even proffer this statement? "...And in the case of the African American Woman at 39 weeks and 4 cm dilated, there is no need for an epidural..." or "The black teenager with a laceration on his leg will require x ccs amount of pain medication less than a white male of the same age and weight before stitching the wound" How is this even broached?


SmartWonderWoman

Medical professors still believe this nonsense. When my children were kidnapped, my blood pressure increased to dangerous levels. I went to urgent care. I explained to the nurse about experiencing domestic violence and my abusive ex kidnapping our kids. That nurse said I was overreacting.


knowtheledge71

My Filipino dentist wasn’t surprised when I asked for more novocaine when I told him I could feel everything he’s doing. He told me it’s because I have a red beard (I’m Irish), and people with the red hair gene have a higher tolerance for pain. We’re friendly because my wife is also Filipino, so we’re in the same community and we’re different than a regular doctor-patient relationship, but that was the first time I ever heard that. I was kind of weirded out. Turns out, some medical studies actually show this to have some truth. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/study-finds-link-between-red-hair-pain-threshold The human body is fucking weird.


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Where does that myth come from exactly? Just typical dehumanizing? Not being able to see signs of certain conditions on darker skin?


siempre_maria

RACISM


Faded1974

Slavery - they used to argue that slaves didn't feel pain so it was okay to savagely whip them. The same mindset went into why they should be worked past exhausted and fed trash.


Avenger772

Same as everything else. An excuse for white people to be gruesome and evil. And dehumanizing.


dh2215

Wives tales I would guess. I remember hearing that black people had extra muscles in their calves and that’s why so many black guys were in the nba


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I had some girl in my high school ask me if black men had black sperm. This was in Alabama, so yeah. Still trying to decide if that was racism or stupidity on her part.


jus256

Some people are just stupid. I remember a girl asked me how Lorena Bobbit cut off John Wayne Bobbit’s dick through the bone. When I explained it, she told me I must be mistaken.


Hellicopter-666

Low IQ person was also racist? Well I'll be damned


soup2nuts

Racism makes stupid people.


Sweetcheels69

Nope. We just have better utilization and activation of our soleus muscle than other races of people.


Toaster_bath13

It's probably just the racism. Could be indifference to their claims of pain level, could be distrust if they think they are faking pain to get drugs but all that boils down to prejudice it seems.


firstfewdreamers

When people ask why I don't want kids or why I'm always afraid to go to the doctors, this is why. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of "pick me's" playing doctor too. Just trying to fit in with white collegues. Not trying to discredit their work, just their poor attitudes towards their own. It's hard to find a decent doctor. At this pt I don't even care what you look like as long as you care. Before my mom died, she got the absolute worst care because no one took her seriously except me. She literally asked me to let her die at home because she would rather "die in the street" than where she was. We found a place but it took A LOT of time. I've not been able to really go back to the doctors/hospital since.


jus256

I’m fortunate because my father was a CEO of a major hospital that most people reading this would recognize. Whenever we go to the ER, we don’t have to be bothered with a lot of bullshit from racists. My wife was hospitalized a couple of times. At the time, I couldn’t figure why he kept calling so many people when I let him know where we were. Now I know why. He retired a while ago but he still knows a lot of people in the industry. He literally has a hand in 3 black CEOs getting their current jobs. When he was working, he was the only one. That’s at least three in our state. There could be more out there. He knows people all over the country.


FracturedAuthor

:: Drake standing up clapping gif :: That is amazing!!!! My little brother goes out of his way to apprentice Black therapists. We have to.


Alkereth1

I guess it goes to show that just because you have a lot of knowledge doesn't mean you can't be still be a complete idiot.


Darqnyz

When I got my wisdom teeth removed in the military, the Dentist doing the procedure said that black people have denser jawbones on average, which makes drilling much harder. This was in 2016. The actual reason my teeth were hard to remove was because my roots grew outward, not inward (think A instead of V)


fbcmfb

I milked going to the dentist for wisdom teeth extraction. I had three oral surgeries to extract 4 teeth. I mainly did this because we got two days SIQ that our command or department head couldn’t deny. Work smarter not harder they always said - they had no idea!


Probably_A_Variant

I had kidney surgery 4 years ago. Got a whole organ removed. They sent me home with 5 norcos. The pain was so unbearable I had to take 2 at a time and by day 3 I just pushed threw it. It was so bad my grandma was scared for me because she had never seen me in that much pain.


soup2nuts

And you know they limited it for you because white people are at the center of the opioid addiction epidemic.


KingJoy79

This is just so weird to me. Honest question and I don’t mean to offend anyone but…where do white people get these assumptions from? Black people came from monkeys/gorillas. Black people have different diseases than white people do. Black people feel pain differently than whites. Black people are dumb, whites are smart (and no, I’m not saying that white people are dumb. That’s not the goal here. I’m saying that they actually believe that they’re the only race that’s the most intelligent over any other group, especially Blacks). I mean…and just the level of hatred that comes along with all of these lies is just…unfathomable to me. And even if they were taught these theories and lies while being raised, at some point…I don’t know, I would’ve thought they would’ve researched some of these things as an adult just to see that none of it is true. Education is a valuable tool to have.


mellamandiablo

Because as medicine was being developed and advances were occurring, we were considered to be subhuman (still are in some regards) and thus, not equal to our white counterparts.


AyodamSon

It comes from eugenics and antiquated racist anthropology.


Boggie135

> where do white people get these assumptions from? From their education, for a long time medical books only used pictures and bodies of white men. So you were screwed if you were 1. A woman 2. Not white


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FreezeFrameEnding

There is a pretty big issue with doctors discriminating against various demographics, and practicing accordingly. They do it to PoC, they do it to women, they do it to people who are addicts and those recovered, the list goes on. There is a problem with personal backgrounds affecting their professional choices, and I think it should be mandatory that every practicing medical professional be in therapy to ensure they aren't bringing their own dysfunction to the workplace. But further, there need to be workshops that are mandatory concerning stuff like this just as frequently as other classes are. There is simply no excuse for something like this persisting in any medical professional's head. I had a male doctor tell me I don't know I my own body. That only he and his tech could tell what's wrong. I figured I had endometriosis and ovarian cysts. Two years of suffering later? Full hysterectomy because I was right. People get blinded by their own intelligence and credentials, and it can seriously negatively impact how they treat people who, in many moments, need them the most. It's not okay how people get treated in medical settings. There are some fantastic doctors, nurses, PAs, etc., but there are some really shitty ones, too. That needs to be addressed so that misinformation like the OP doesn't persist. PoC should *not* have to deal with this shit still. No one should. The emotional toll raising is infinitely high, and it is so fucking preventable.


unique_plastique

This gotta have roots in a lot of doctors and the medical world trying to self justify things they did/do to black people historically and presently right?


MrsPancakesSister

This hurts my very soul. I just had my second spinal surgery (this time on my neck) in July and they gave me five days worth of pain medication when I left the hospital. After that, no other doctor would help me, not even in the emergency room, not even my surgeon. My therapist was the only person who recognized just how much pain I was in and how badly it was affecting my mental state and my body. She recommended a GP for me to see who was compassionate and realized just how much I was suffering. He gave me a medication that made me feel like a new person after just one dose. I thought it was because I’m a woman, and many doctors don’t believe us when we’re in pain. Now I’m realizing it also could have been deliberate racial bias. Either way, I’m never ever going to go so long without demanding help. Chronic pain is no joke and it’s debilitating, demoralizing, and utterly evil. That doctor should be kicked out of the program. This is 2022, and people are still pushing this racist nonsense?! Pure bullshit.


DDBlood5

They want us too be so different than them..


CrisKrossed

Pretty sure I was on the receiving end of this in a recent hospital stay


VodkaSoup_Mug

When I in nursing school I had a teacher that tried to say this shit. This is why it has taken 16 years to get a tumor removed that was in on my spine. The sad part is that minority doctors can also think like this. I didn’t get help until I got an African American woman doctor who has also had to experience the American medical system. She even said you can’t just go to any minority doctor. She connected me to specialists and surgeons that actually believed that black people feel pain.


PengieP111

This despicable and deeply wrong belief has real world effects resulting in non-whites getting less effective and less pain relief.


Malcolm_X_Machina

Which is why my sickle cell having ass has trouble getting care at any hospital that isn't mine (even mine, after 25+ years there).


liquidsmk

Couple years ago I broke my foot in a head on car crash with some drunk. Broken in two spots and ligaments torn in 3 diff areas. No one would give me pain meds. No one at the emergency room, not a single doctor and I saw at least 3. I couldn’t even get anyone to perform surgery on me. I waited around for 4 entire months with a broken foot and zero medical care, not even as much as aspirin. I bought my own boot even though it was supposed to be provided to me. My health care is completely taken care of, so this whole thing is blowing my mind. Never in my life would I guess this many people turning down free money. I started physical therapy, literally the only place that accepted me. When they found out I hadn’t had any pain relief and didn’t even have surgery yet, the therapist hooked me up with his friend who happened to be surgeon. The guy literally only did it as a favor. Put 2 titanium screws in my foot and a script for pain meds. I’m at the 6 month mark at this point from the day of the accident. 1 surgery and $60 grand later I finally get pain relief. It sill blows my mind today. And thank god for the surgeon. But even he was on some bs with pain meds. I specifically asked (twice) for the *lowest* strength pain meds he could offer. I look at the script later and this dude wrote it for damn Percocets. I threw the damn script away. I need relief, but I’m not trying to turn into a drug addict. So I just kept using over the counter ibuprofen. My faith in our medical system is incredibly low. I’ve never seen such indifference to someone else’s pain in my life. Literally no one gave a fuck.


AyodamSon

This thread is rife with stories similar to yours, and I think the problem is that black people aren’t filing lawsuits for medical malpractice. A doctor may not listen to you, but that hospital’s lawyer will as soon as you file and serve a civil action. I guarantee you’ll receive treatment then.


liquidsmk

Yea that’s a whole other book of worms. I’m willing to bet that black people as a whole sue significantly lower than any other demographic and should be the ones who are suing the most. Either a lack of funds to even start asking questions or just a lack of knowing. Had I known what I know now when I was a teen I’d prob be rich.


AyodamSon

I think some of these cases are so blatant attorneys may take them and just receive compensation after the settlement. Like I can’t see any doctor saying ‘Black people feel less pain than white people, so we didn’t give them anasthesia/pain relievers because we knew they could take it’ going to court with that as a defense to inadequate patient care. The hospital’s lawyers would say settle, immediately.


Joshuak47

How would you even do a study for that??? I remember reading that skin conditions are missed more often in people with dark skin, due to lack of training on it (pictures in textbooks are mostly of light skin). One med student made a book to show those conditions. [Article here](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/this-med-student-wrote-the-book-on-diagnosing-disease-on-darker-skin)


Babablacksheep2121

Who the fuck possibly thinks this could be a thing? (Other than gingers, they have always been special) But seriously what logical gymnastics can you perform to have this be how you see other human beings? This isn’t LOTR, black people aren’t orcs.


peacefulvampire

That wouldn't have passed with me because that's dumb af


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peacefulvampire

Yes, definitely


Bangzell

As I flashback to reading Tears of a Tiger I'm highschool and tear up a little. I came here to scroll, not to feel.


AestheticPenguinMan

It’s disgusting this is actually believed


xthurArx

Thank goodness we have more melanated doctors getting licensed. I know to women that just started residency. We are coming.


ConflictMuted6785

And this is why docs treat POC different in medical settings. They really believe we have a higher pain tolerance!


MachineEquivalent760

One of her "white" colleagues


Jodi_Blu

And docs believe natural birth and C-sections should have the same time out of work. I suffered for 10mon post partum because I had used all my maternity leave. Everyday I had pain in my abdomen like I was fresh from the hospital. I had to take physical therapy. I wish I had just went to someone else that took me seriously. I just wanted time to heal.


themindisall1113

i saw some nursing textbooks where they have this narrative in it. the world is a sick, sick place and the u.s. is psychotic.


stalphonzo

Victor with the real shit right there.


Carosello

Absolutely horrible. Absolute cruelty to push that line of thinking.