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neoncrucifix

I have never felt so satisfied. Kevin winning the season fills the void of BB19 Paul losing (I know my man sunk his own game but damn) This time, the mastermind won. The best player won. The passion in his final speech was magnificent to watch. His confused reaction was hilarious to watch, he was still playing the game in his head and trying to understand why certain people voted for him. And I’m over here, in my bed, internally screaming out of joy. I hope The Ghosts are living their best lives.


thelastcrescent

Kevin did what Paul wanted to do but without the unnecessary bullying and taunting


veronicamars18

Does anyone know if the last roundtable is today?


NintendoFan29

I can't believe Betty went straight to work on a Monday! Josh did her so dirty


purple_sangria

That’s why she’s Business B! Seriously, I’d have taken at least a week off


haltingflex

This season truly embodied big brother to me. Everyone fought really hard to win. I feel like the last time BBUS felt somewhat like big brother was probably BB21 even tho that’s an unpopular opinion since it’s such a controversial season. People played really hard on that season. I hope there’s more fight in the hgs on BB24.


toxiitea

Do people actually think Marty deserves canadas favorite??


Educational_Shift320

I would have been happy if anyone besides Marty had gotten it but I will admit he did add to the show


haltingflex

Yes. Didn’t he give us everything and more this season? Without his HoHs being so entertaining what would the season be?


Following_Calm

Yeah based on IG followers, I can see why Canadians play very hard: they can’t capitalize being influencers after the show. While on the US, if you are rootable and kind and play safe, you can make way more money after the show than the 750,000 dollars lol. Get ready for steamrolls :(


haltingflex

Canada is a much smaller country and it’s a niche show. I do feel like the BBCan9 cast got decent followers but their families really interacted with the fans during the season whereas social media presence for BBCAN10 was lacking. It helps being active during the season to build up followers.


marcm6246

The Canadian BB alum get the weirdest influencer opportunities. Got an ad today for Trojan with Tychon promoting them. I've seen a few electric toothbrush sponsorships, also lip balm. Can the BBUS influencers make that much? Most of them don't even pass 200K in followers.


jelly021

Do jace and Gino have the most followers? I’m kinda shock that jace has more than Gino too.


Following_Calm

Yeah but she had like 6k before the show. It’s crazy too see tynesha having way more followers than most of the jury members lol. It’s like the earlier you leave the show you can garner more fans(which is the opposite for the US).


fatasscoward123

It’s because she’s been out and interacting on SM. The others’ engagement will increase the more active they are


jelly021

Ohh okay that makes sense. I didn’t think she was that popular even with the showmance. But yeah even sindy with an s who appeared in 2 seasons doesn’t have as many fans as an early boot in the US would 😂


aforter28

Jace was a casual face


BBSuperFan98

I know that Moose said the vote in a Josh and Betty Final 2 would be split but I disagree it would be very close. It'd be more split than what we saw with Josh and Kevin but it'd be no BB18-20 jury split vote closeness. I'm still inclined to believe that Josh beats Betty in Final 2 since I think he gets every vote that's not from Summer, Haleena, and maybe Canada. I know jurors like Hermon and Moose were angry with Josh but I also don't think they had much respect for Betty's game and judging by how happy Hermon and Moose were to see Betty evicted I don't think they would have really wanted to vote for Betty. Maybe I'm wrong but gut instinct tells me Josh beats Betty especially since both Josh and Betty have said in exit interviews what the jury told them what would have happened had they been Final 2 and that's that Josh beats Betty.


Rajus444

I am thinking Marty, Jace and Gino are locked for Josh, Hermon, Moose and Summer are kind of locked for Betty and Haleena votes Betty and Kevin votes Josh so either 4 to 4 or Hermon, Moose or Summer flip


haltingflex

It really depends on the ghosts. If both haleena and Kevin voted for her I think she’d win. Marty seemed to give her props and support during the jury round table and Hermon/moose were always very anti josh. Canada vote would go to her. It could be she gets a close 5-4 vote to win or lose.


haltingflex

After seeing Arisas success these past two great seasons, Allison Grodner and co need to actually be fired


Tapo11

Moose on twitter in response to a Jed tweet said that Josh/Betty would have been a split vote, so if that's the case it prob comes down to the Canada's vote tho I think Betty is very likely to give a strong speech over the stuff Josh was doing lol


PerpetualAscent

yeah i was thoroughly confused by the immediate "jury confirmed Josh would've beaten Betty" take, when you take the time to parse through what each individual juror has been saying and piecing it all together you can see the vote would've been really close like you said, considering how boring Josh's answers were, inspiring no emotion in the jury, Betty coulda easily roped a vote or two i have her getting Canada, Summer, Hermon, Moose, and Haleena for the win - Haleena said she would've voted Betty had Josh evicted Kevin instead, so pending "confirmation" from Hermon and Moose, this whole "Josh would've won against Betty" thing needs to chill lol


Educational_Shift320

Fax.


NintendoFan29

Betty dipping right after finishing her interviews and not hanging with her BBCAN10 fam is a mood


tr0nllam

She didn't go to Niagara, but she was with the alumni when they were in Toronto.


SeasideKingDumb

Something really cool about the finale on a rewatch I noticed was that they didn't actually have to explain the Betty eviction in the moment since Josh answered the question during the jury answers Obviously this was gonna be shown anyway but they were able to do the shock factor explicitly because this was addressed later in the episode. It sort of turned into a weirdly brilliant storytelling idea I haven't really seen on BB. They sorta hinted at it during Haleena's eviction but never really went too far with it. I would've liked to see Kevin's pitches to Josh but honestly that amazing shock value combined with the explanation later I thought was also neat


VeryAmazingHuman

The shock factor was amazing, but I wish they did what survivor does and show back a scene to explain a shocking moment at tribal


FlippantBuoyancy

I miss this season. 😢


VeryAmazingHuman

Don’t worry, we’ll get like two weeks of entertainment in bb24 figuring who’s in the majority and what’s the pecking order


FlippantBuoyancy

I too am excited to watch James Miller, aspiring physical trainer from Long Beach, lead the Heaven's Eleven to victory.


mgsh

Don't forget Kayla Adams, the blonde blue-eyed graduate from Texas A&M. She says she's going to play hard but wouldn't mind a showmance with James Miller.


VeryAmazingHuman

Kayla was pushed


Beatitnerd1

Yeah, gotta get the stereotypical Aggie🙄


SeasideKingDumb

One of favorite storylines this season was Hermon coming up with a new 7 person alliance every week and then failing every time I don't remember them all but I swear wasn't there a new alliance pitched every week he was there lmao


FlippantBuoyancy

Hermon's dream game: a power structure consolidates on day 1, with the biggest comp threats all following him. "The six pack" or "nitrous v6", depending on the day, goes on to win every single HoH. They get more and more amped as the weeks pass, with each successive win. Meanwhile the outsiders become increasingly morose but it's okay.


BBSuperFan98

I mean had he just accepted Kevin's Final 2 of The Comedians and Rebel Rejects alliance of Hermon, Kevin, Josh, Haleena, Tynesha, and Summer he would have found his big alliance but he refused to work with Kevin and Haleena so they formed their own side with Marty, JL, and Gino, made the Crash Test Dummies and soon destroyed Hermon's game soon afterwards.


liberderci

Tynesha and Summer didn’t tell Hermon about the Rebel Rejects, they literally forgot to tell him. He was taken aback when Kevin approached him for a final 2 and thought Kevin wanted to work with the guys, so Hermon told him what he thought Kevin wanted to hear. Like summer and Tynesha literally had a convo where they were like “did we tell Hermon? I think we did” but they didn’t.


Huge_Annual9672

I feel like kevin and haleena is what sheldon and brooke could have accomplished


aforter28

They wish! Kevleena never experienced heat until F5, I doubt Shooke would’ve squeaked by that cleanly. Sheldon won back-to-back HOHs and the outsiders were just beginning to form something solid with Maddie, Rianne, John-Luke, Minh and Hira realizing they were on the outs and getting tired of Sheldon being in power again. All of whom were very comp-capable. They would’ve taken out a Susanne or Chris first but they were growing very wary of Sheldon in particular, Brooke would’ve been fine I think.


PerpetualAscent

Sheldon and Brooke are like the store brand version of the ghosts lol


liberderci

Brooke was catching feelings like 2 weeks into the game which The Ghost never would have done. I think they would have been caught sooner just cause it was so obvious how much time Brooke and Sheldon spent together lol


fatasscoward123

value menu v Baconator


Mr_XcX

The reason I think BB Can all stars would not work is judging by social media the amount of pregaming would make a big ass alliance night one. Only way it would work is like Season 5 with newbies making half cast or maybe have international players etc. Otherwise they can pre-game the entire season. As what happened with the disastrous All-Stars 2 in USA. All-Stars 1 had pregaming but not the amount we will have today due to evolution in social media etc.


nafafonafafofo

It’s too bad big brother isnt more like roomraiders where it’s insinuated that they run inside contestants houses when they “least expect it” and throw them in a truck


keleidoskope

I disagree, I think the fact the BBCAN community is so intertwined would make the season very interesting. The BBUSA community does not interact like the BBCAN one does. The pre-gaming was way more blatant and game focused with AS2 while I truly believe the BBCAN pregaming would focus more on legit friendships and connections they've formed over the past 10 years. Dani and Cody never interacted in the real world, their pregaming strictly strategic, while you see Emmett and Peter hanging out with Anthony and Godfrey at events just because they want to. Also AS1 has the infamous Mr. and Mrs. Smith pregame alliance exposé lol


The_Eyepatch_Guy

This is just flat out untrue lol. All stars 1 had way more pregaming than All stars 2 did, to the point where people actually made deals to share the money lol, and it was a great season. All stars 2 didn't work since the cast wasn't great and since the challenges played out in basically the most boring way possible.


Mr_XcX

Sorry but I disagree. All-Stars 2 had a massive pre-game alliance that made players like Nicole A / Keesha screwed.


MOHTTR

this is just straight up not true we had feeds from the first few hours of the game and we saw it take like a week for the big alliance to form


Giraffe943

There was no massive pregame alliance


Rajus444

it did do that but ffs not only that but legit the opposite of BBCan10 where every week was the most boring outcome ever like BB Gods hated us that season


PerpetualAscent

i'm noticing Hermon getting a lot more respect postgame than he ever got during it lol, perception of his game and strategic abilities was mad low, talking about how "his only strategy is making a big alliance and steamrolling" that being said he damn well might've made it work, but Kyle said "no"


VeryAmazingHuman

I always thought hermon was good at the game and I always liked him. I just wanted him out for Kevin’s game


FlippantBuoyancy

Eh... Hermon's main fault in this game was that he couldn't adapt. In some seasons that wouldn't matter. But the fault was accentuated next to Kevin, a man who could seemingly nuke his own game and still adapt.


Educational_Shift320

What in Herman’s game showed he wasn’t adaptive?


SeasideKingDumb

Hermon honestly had the tools to be really good at the game. Even if his ego prevented him from pitching to Kevin and Haleena he wasn't gonna stay anyway He's a good example of a potentially great player taken out early by someone slightly better who recognized that potential. He was probably the only actual threat to Kevin's game aside from Kevin himself creating his own problems lol. I really think there's an argument that the structures he set up alone were worth putting him in the top 3-5 players of the season - he just got undone by Kyle and didn't get a chance to recover in time for Kevin to swoop in. And he also did flip a vote in like 30 minutes lol and would've stayed had Moose just stayed quiet


PerpetualAscent

that week Moose killed the flip looool yeah for clarification's sake i like his game too but people were hardcore dumping on him when he was actually playing lol, but time puts things into perspective


Loki1947

That wasn't disrespect. It was fear. It was fear because Hermon seemed like the type who could form that alliance and steamroll the game.


BBSuperFan98

It was his only strategy. It's just a very effective one.


VeryAmazingHuman

Who do you think Kevin’s main pregame alliance is with?


Rajus444

I am hoping Anthony


haltingflex

My top 5 players this season Kevin Haleena Hermon Jace Lynn Betty Josh would have to be 6th because of his illogical and nonsensical gameplay during the 2nd half of the game


Rajus444

I would switch Josh with Betty dude had an amazing social game and had killer instinct to cut Betty he just had the wrong read and was snowed by Kevin who is prolly the greatest BBCan winner


The_Eyepatch_Guy

Not to mention Betty had the wrong read just as much as Josh did and actively told Josh that Kevin was a goat lol.


FlippantBuoyancy

They both had the right read!!! They both knew at one point that Kevin was a dangerous mastermind. Betty during the 2nd to last week was literally mumbling to herself about how terrified she was of Kevin. The thing is, they both managed to lose that read when it mattered most. After the triple those two were occasionally like trauma victims with short-term amnesia.


PerpetualAscent

fax


purple_sangria

[Kevin Martin on Kevin’s game:](https://twitter.com/KevinRobMartin/status/1523331030484103169?s=20&t=vEGvr2Fk5nNmjgH97vRWNw) I keep thinking about Kevin Jacobs game. Everyone in the house thought he was a joke while everyone in the jury thought he was a God. Masterful big brother play.


BBSuperFan98

I just realized Emmett and Peter from BBCAN1 were there yesterday at the Alumni party and I find it so satisfying for them to meet Kevin and be nice to him since Emmett tried comparing him to Aneal from BBCAN1 during the season and Peter thought he was everything Kevin actually was when he played the game.


Thin_Contribution_32

As if Emmet had any place criticizing Kevin in the first place.


PerpetualAscent

yeah it's called being fake lol, now that Kevin is being pretty much unanimously welcomed with open arms by the other alumni and especially the fans they're gonna pretend they totally like him too and aren't jealous at all


SeasideKingDumb

I don't personally get the hate for Summer tbh She opened her bio by saying her being on Big Brother was strictly revenge against her coworker lmao of course she was gonna be super bitter as a juror. The difference to me though is that she was openly bitter and made it fun. It's a reality show and I think she carried an important role to that intense triple, the Hermon vote out, etc. I don't have to like them as people to enjoy what they bring to the show lol, and honestly she doesn't even seem that bad IRL, I think she's gotten a bad rep imo


PuttyRiot

I liked her early on but I eventually sour on HGs who seem more focused on fame or influence, and as the show went on it began to feel like she was trying *really* hard to have an iconic “Da’vonne moment.” Like, too hard. I don’t dislike her; I just felt like her schtick got boring and she wasn’t bringing anything to the actual game, then she was really entitled in the end for someone who wasn’t doing anything. I know it isn’t an unpopular sentiment around here to dislike HGs who come for clout instead of game. Honestly the only really annoying thing about Summer was her stans. It’s amazing how belligerent stans can wind up influencing how you feel about the HG and doing them no favors with the viewers. (Also, and this is me being *very* petty and I admit it, it sucks that Buzzkill was axed and it quickly became apparent Summer fans would never accept the comp result if she was eliminated and they were gleefully joking about how “only someone as iconic as Summer could have us slowing down videos and raising hell sksksksks” and then the next day she threw the replacement comp. I genuinely doubt they will ever do Buzzkilled again because the most vocal stans will scream “rigged” unless their preferred competitor won.)


FlippantBuoyancy

I don't dislike her as a person. I just think she wasn't great at Big Brother. By the time she was evicted I felt she primarily did Big Brother to further her career as an influencer and that she didn't care that much about the game. I watch Big Brother for the strategy and amazing blind sides. So for me, her DRs weren't particularly entertaining. I'd have preferred more Haleena DRs or something from someone who was playing strategically.


ranyakumoschalkboard

I think she was hilarious and I loved the threatrics of it all. Like come on, it's not like she voted for Kyle over Josh. And they're there to make a TV show, give me all the over the top nonsense that you want to give me.


Educational_Shift320

Exactly people complain and whine all season when we get “boring” houseguests like the BB23 cast, then we we get people who play it up for the camera like Hermon/Summer they whine and complain, saying their fake and unauthentic for playing it up for the cameras. Like you do realize this is a tv show right… or if it bothers you that much it’s fine but don’t complain we we get houseguests that’s aren’t extra.


ranyakumoschalkboard

This. BB fans are their own worst enemies.


fatasscoward123

I don’t have any strong feelings toward her. I do feel there’s way too much discussion of her on both sides, which gets so heated and it’s so unpleasant.


purple_sangria

Do people hate her? I feel like she was quite popular. Not my favorite as I don’t like the acting up for the cameras, but she seemed fine when she wasn’t doing that - similar to Hermon who I have actually really enjoyed since he went to jury lol


PuttyRiot

I really enjoyed Hermon in the house and I was sad to see him go, even though I wanted to see Kevin win. I felt like his goofy presence was very much missed after he was gone. Summer’s schtick became boring to me and I think the main difference is because Hermon was playing hard and Summer just seemed like she wanted to be on TV.


purple_sangria

I didn’t miss Hermon or enjoy his game (except as comedic relief), but I agree he was playing hard and I do think he was a good addition to the cast overall since I like to have a mix of people and game styles


BBSuperFan98

Oh I love her as a person. I just think people especially her fans on Twitter really overestimated how great of a player she is. My problem with her is always her gameplay and how personal she played the game for better or worse. She's a good character but as a player I feel like she is way over hyped I feel like.


FlippantBuoyancy

Exactly. My major push back on this subreddit has been against people who overstate her influence on the season (e.g. people ranking her 4th or whatever). She herself is fine as a person.


Survivorfan128

Any pictures of summer with Josh this weekend ?


bitterbunny4

This was my first time watching a truly chaotic and special season live with feeds, it's probably my personal favorite for it. I hope at least all of the f4 will do the rhap deep dives because I'm painfully curious how that last week went down.


BBSuperFan98

We at least know for sure Kevin is as he said he would to Taran in their exit interview. Josh also seemed like he wanted too in his exit interview. I don't know if Betty will but Taran is such a Betty fan I think she might. As for Haleena who knows if that will happen but it'd be amazing for sure.


VeryAmazingHuman

Kevin will try to get haleena to do one. As for Betty, you could tell she thought the interview was weird


bitterbunny4

I felt Betty was vibing great with Taran, what I think she found strange was hearing the details of the Kevin/Josh dynamic and how tight they were. No other interviewer really had insight to shine light on that and I doubt Josh by himself would bring it up.


The_Eyepatch_Guy

Yeah you could see her visibly react when Taran mentioned Josh's line "people just assume that I'm close to them when I haven't even promised anything" lol.


VeryAmazingHuman

It’s only been a couple days but we’ll all already doing all the post season things on speed run. We’ve already ranked the players and are stalking them all on IG. We’ve already talked about which players could come back! We still have two months!


BBSuperFan98

I do wanna say in regards to Summer's game she played very well one week. The week that Kyle went home. That was her magnum opus week as she played a big role in getting Kyle up on the block. Before then she was in a solid position but not great as she was close to the bottom of the Savage 7 with Ty and Josh and seemed a bit content with that. When Savage 7 broke up when Kyle went crazy she did help to keep Josh but Josh gave none of the credit to her. From the Kyle week on she went from a huge high to continually decreasing, first Kevin clocked she was not ever nominated and as such a huge threat and while he wanted to keep her around he knew he had to strike at her power base. Summer argued with Jess about nominating Tynesha as the renom and pitched hard for Haleena which gave Haleena all the incentive to blow up Man Down alliance since she felt on the bottom and Summer never made Haleena feel like she wasn't on the bottom. Then Final 10 and Final 9 her game pretty much permanently went off the rails. First by getting into a pointless fight with Marty where she should have just agreed with him even if he was wrong. Then the public waffling about who to evict between Hermon and Betty burned both of them. Then Final 9 the only reason why she stays over Moose is due to her lackluster campaign to stay and ability to win comps. By Final 8 everyone sees her as expendable and while she is safe due to Canada's Save. She doesn't do much with that save to further herself in the game. Instead she falls hook line and sinker for Kevleena's secret veto lie about Jacey Lynne and ate it all up which allowed her to be perfectly positioned for Kevleena come the triple. So when the triple comes around she was a likely nom unbeknownst to her and instead of taking it calmly, trying to get the votes to stay. She cusses out Josh and after the veto kind of just gives up and doesn't even try to campaign to Kevin and Haleena and as such is swiftly evicted. Summer's game started off strong but Kevin played a role in getting Summer's game unstable during the Ty eviction week and then Summer herself took the wheel and crashed her game into wall after wall until it eventually died out at the triple.


PresidentJoe

My player ranking: 1. Kevin 😍 2. Kevin 😍 3. Kevin 😍 4. Kevin 😍 5. Kevin 😍 6. Kevin 😍 7. Kevin 😍 8. Kevin 😍 9. Kevin 😍 10. Kevin 😍 11. Kevin 😍 12. Kevin 😍 13. Kevin 😍 14. Kevin 😍 15. Kevin 😍 16. Kevin 😍


mrsrambles

My player rankings for this season : LEGEND 1- Kevin DOMINANT PLAYERS HOWEVER THEIR FLAWS CAUGHT UP TO THEM 2-Haleena 3-Hermon 4- Josh **VERY** FLAWED PLAYERS WHO ENDED UP PLAYING SOLID GAMES *THIS SEASON* 5-Betty 6-Summer PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL BUT WHO PLAYED ONE STEP BEHIND EVERYONE ELSE 7- JL 8- Moose 9- Gino FORGETABLE PLAYERS WHO COULD'VE HAD POTENTIAL 10-Ty 11-Steph PLAYERS WITH FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS THAT MADE THEM BAD AT THE GAME 12-Jess 13-Jay 14-Marty 15-Melina WORST HOH OF THE BBCAN FRANCHISE 16-Kyle


FlippantBuoyancy

Summer was in a good social position during week 4. That's about the extent of her game though. People dismantled her social situation by evicting Ty and forming stronger bonds around her. She didn't respond to her own slipping position because she didn't realize it was happening. Summer is not a player who played "a solid game". I think she is solidly in the "has potential but played from one step behind" category.


mrsrambles

Summer was one of the best positionned players for the first 5 weeks of the game (part of the S7 and well-insulated after it imploded). Ty's eviction derailed her game however people also said that putting Ty up was Jess's game-ending mistake. If Jess doesn't put Ty up, Summer gets to control the outcome of the week for the 3rd time in a row (she also played a key role in Steph's blindside and Kyle's backdoor), would've been safe in the safety chain (she was 2nd in the comp) and, even though Marty winning HOH would've been bad, he would've targeted Ty over her. She made mistakes, even at that point (openly admitting that she threw comps which made her lose Hermon, the weird triangle with the showmance) but the highlights of her game are ,imo, more impressive than the games the people below her played. She played from one step behind from week 6 to her eviction but her gameplay from week 1 to week 5 was solid imo


makeshiftmacbook

Your praise is of all theoretical scenarios 💀 Summer did not play a solid game. She was in a *comfortable* position, never did anything that was advantageous, until Ty left then lasted as long as she did because of her impotent position (poor pitches, incapable of winning comps, no real allies, etc). Moving forward, she had neither game nor personal relationships, didn’t bother to recover, and never even grasped she was in that position. She didn’t play from behind, she didn’t play at all.


mrsrambles

Her last 3 weeks in the game showed that she was too entitled and couldn't handle adversity. I'll give you that. But that doesn't erase her **5** weeks of solid gameplay where she was one of the best positionned HG and was the driving force of the game. And she didn't coast into that "confortable" position either: when the S7 blew up and Josh went up, she was one the people who started the flip, her alliance members were the one peer-pressuring Gino to put Kyle up, she was trying to create alternate structures (the Rebel Rejects, the True Fews) even when Jess won HOH, Summer had the Siblings alliance to cover her bases (which was a good move on her part). Her problem was that the Ghosts (the best players in the game) already spread a Cookout narrative, Kevin was in Jess's ear the entire time and when Summer's alliance tried to get Haleena on the block, Haleena's individual relationships came through. The Ghosts (and the fanbase at that point) considered Summer a threat *for a reason*. But if you would rather ignore MOST of her gameplay (5 > 3) to focus on her bad weeks then you do you 🤷🏽‍♀️


PuttyRiot

> Her problem was that the Ghosts (the best players in the game) already spread a Cookout narrative, This never happened.


FlippantBuoyancy

But the hypothetical where Jess doesn't put Ty up didn't happen... I'd give Summer a lot more credit if she realized her position in the game and made attempts to improve it. But she didn't seem to be aware that she wasn't running the house after week 5, so there's no way I can consider her to have "played a solid game." I think Summer not realizing her position after week 5 suggests that her good position before that point was not exactly intentional.


mrsrambles

Her gameplay after Ty's eviction was terrible and showed that she couldn't handle adversity (which is an important skill for BB player). However, I'm still giving her credits for gameplay in the first 5 weeks of the game (which was the bigger part of her game). And I don't think it's fair to say that her position wasn't intentional when she was very proactive and formed alliances to cover her bases (Rebel Rejects, True Fews, the Siblings, the Mandems) while pulling the 2 biggest moves of the season at that point (Steph and Kyle's evictions, back to back). I put her and Betty in the "played a solid game THIS SEASON" category because, normally, players like them wouldn't be able to succeed because of their flaws. However, this season, they pulled off some of the biggest moves of the season which elevated their gameplay compared to the people I've placed on the "played one step behind" category (who had more potential on average but played mediocre games compared to Betty and Summer this season).


Zypker125

I think in many ways, Summer is the BBCAN10 version of BBCAN9's Tina. Initially socially dominant and having connections to all sides of the house, but loses that social grip over the course of the season and not doing much to try and reclaim those bonds. Additionally, I think Summer's (and Tina's) biggest flaws are that they can't/don't win competitions.


escvelocity1

Ugh my life dream right now is Kevin watching the season and then coming here to do an AMA


VeryAmazingHuman

He will def do one


Kevvvvinap

Are survivor 41 and 42 worth a watch? I started watching 41 but the direction they were going with with the production (like the twists and the dramatic music) really bothered me so I quit after a few episodes


Huge_Annual9672

u can start watching survivor 41 at episode 9 and just go on from there and you really won't miss anything tbh


komododragoness

They are twist heavy but in my opinion the casts for 41 and 42 are very strong to offset this for me.


ranyakumoschalkboard

41 has 3 all-time excellent episodes (4, 7, 10). 42 has some great ones too, like episode 3 and the merge are both incredible. Otherwise they're fine and generally exciting and enjoyable I would say, with really good casts. The twists are unhinged but it's worth it imo for the great casts and fun gameplay.


Giraffe943

I think they are both sort of bad tbh, but still worth watching if you are a big survivor fan. The game is too much about twists now


theabdi

I like both 41 in particular


haltingflex

Out of the huge duo mistakes in the end game, I think Josh and Betty made a more massive mistake at F4 bringing Kevin than Kevleena did at F5 bringing Josh. The Kevleena duo won in the end. Jetty went from being able to easily secure F2 together to both losing to Kevin and blowing a 2-1 lead


BBSuperFan98

Yeah the way Josh and Betty fumbled the bag during this end game has been one of the worst fumblings of a duo at the end game. Between Josh putting Betty up at the triple, Betty nominating Josh at Final 5, Josh wanting Haleena out over Kevin at Final 4, Betty going along with it. Betty downplaying Kevin's threat to win at Final 3 and Josh cutting Betty for Kevin. Just so many oofs that Kevin and to a lesser extent Haleena were able to take advantage of.


VeryAmazingHuman

My player rankings are 1. Kevin 2. Haleena 3. Hermon 4. Josh 5. Jace 6. Betty 7. Summer 8. Moose 9. Gino 10. Jess 11. Tynesha 12. Marty 13. Jay 14. Stephanie 15. Melina 16. Kyle


liberderci

I agree with this but I can’t have Summer above Betty when Summer’s influence in the house really stopped at around Week 4 and the entire house was simply placating her into thinking she still had away after that.


VeryAmazingHuman

Yeah I agree. That plus the fact the Betty can win comps and summer can’t changed my mind. When I made the rankings I was just thinking that at one point summer had a lot of agency and Betty had barely had any. I’ll edit my comment now


FlippantBuoyancy

100%. I mean, Summer failed to grasp that her influence in the house was wrecked after week 5. She played delusional, thinking that she was in a position of power, for weeks.


liberderci

Yeah, she was pitching Marty to put Gino up hours before the veto ceremony when it was Hermon who was going up instead, then tried to pretend like she knew that was happening the whole time lol I don’t even know how her positioning and influence got ruined so quickly. It’s like everyone saw what good position she was in and then just decided to not listen to her anymore.


Zypker125

> I don’t even know how her positioning and influence got ruined so quickly. Kevin. No fr, Kevin was the primary cause of Summer's downfall as he recognized Summer's position and actively dismantled it during the week they evicted Tynesha (and getting Tynesha nominated/evicted was mostly his and Haleena's work), and Summer never knew what hit her. That's why that week was also (arguably) the week where Kevin truly ascended into the power position.


BBSuperFan98

So this would be my own player rankings of the season 1. Kevin 10/10. One of the most dominant wins from behind the scenes yet he also faced tons of adversity. I feel like you would need 4 paragraphs to explain all his moves even in the pre-jury phase. Turning the mistake of keeping Josh over JL at the time due to his indecision into Josh taking him to the end was amazing. 2. Haleena 8/10. A very strong social and strategic player who like Kevin was able to really downplay their threat level and make some magic happen this season. However unlike Kevin her jury management was lacking and she did ultimately make herself a bit bigger of a target than him at the end game and that goodbye message to JL was oof. 3. Hermon 7.5/10 I do think in most seasons he does make it far due to his style of gameplay which is in the Derrick mold of huge alliances comp beast steamroll. Still going out in 10th means there is only so much potential can bump you up 4. Josh 7/10. Josh socially is one of the better players I have seen. Everyone loved him personally and he was always destined to make it far this season. The problem was that no one besides Kevin could get to Josh strategically and Kevin made Josh do his dirty work and was his puppet starting with the Ty week where Kevin plants Josh as a double agent and Josh goes along with it willingly. Even when Betty turned Josh against Kevin briefly at the end game Kevin found a way to turn him again and Josh made everyone feel like this decision was emotional and personal not strategic. Great social player but Kevin played him hard. 5. Betty 6.5/10 Another emotional player but unlike Josh she did have a somewhat solid read most of the game and recognized that she was getting boxed in by Kevin. The problem is that she fumbled the bag so much at Final 5 by first getting snowed by Kevleena, then she passively allows Josh to have her evict Haleena at Final 4 which benefited neither of them and then she plays right into Kevin's hand at Final 3 with downplaying Kevin as a threat. A solid player but she bungled the end game with Josh so badly. 6. Jacey Lynne 6/10 (When things are comfortable for her in this game she is very passive. But the moment things start to give out she fights. While Kevin organized the 5-4 vote on Tynesha JL was the one who was the most pro flip and stuck the course. Jacey Lynne was so clutch in comps and solid under pressure. Not to mention she was this close to staying over Josh at Final 5 and she could have easily won. I also like that besides Gino she had a huge anyone but me mentality. Still passive, that whole secret veto mess, and thinking Kyle lead the Stephanie vote are huge knocks against her. 7. Summer 5.5/10 A good social player like a Josh. But that is pretty much it. She felt personally slighted the moment anyone even slightly betrayed her and while I will never know how likely it was for her to stay. The fact she kind of just gave up after the triple annoyed me. 8. Moose 5/10 Very likable guy with great campaigning skills. But his first week was messy where he wanted to target Savage 7 aka his own alliance. Then he got put up and won the veto next week and from there it just felt like his game kind of died. He survives against Ty but that is mainly due to Kevin positioning the 5-4 vote. He wins Safety Chain. Then at both Final 10/9 he wants a Final 5 deal of himself, Josh, showmance, Hermon and then later Betty which was never gonna work and showed how lost he was. 9. Gino 5/10 (Someone who is making it far almost every time in a BB Season but he was such a passive player and his first HOH he took out an ally and in his second he has a failed backdoor and doesn't tell the people in Kevleena about said backdoor when he wants to bring them to Final 4) 10. Jess 4.5/10 (solid strategic mind, but awful socially) 11. Tynesha 4/10 (never saw much of her but solid socially but strategically eh wasn't there) 12. Marty 3.5/10 (His ability at comps can not be understated which is always good but besides that socially he was abysmal. Strategically Kevin and Haleena played him like a fiddle until they no longer needed him.) 13. Jay 3/10 14. Stephanie 3/10 15. Melina 3/10 (lumping the first 3 boots together because we never saw a ton of them playing the game or if they would even be good at it.) 16. Kyle 1/10 (One of the worst HOH reigns, gets backdoored by his best friend and alienated so many people).


Rajus444

what is everyones player ranking for the season? mine is 1. Kevin 2. Haleena 3. Hermon 4. Josh 5. JL 6. Gino 7. Betty 8. Summer 9. Jess 10. Moose 11. Tyesha 12. Jay 13. Steph 14. Melina 15. Marty 16. Kyle


mrsrambles

I'm probably going to get downvoted for this...but I would put Betty above the showmance: she managed to have some influence on both of Gino's HOHs (she was one of the people pressuring him to put Kyle up and she managed to avoid being nominated on his second HOH due to the deal they made the week prior), in week 7-8 she was above them in terms of positionning since the whole house (except Moose and Marty...their 2 targets) wanted to get rid of them and she ultimately managed to outplay JL by directing Josh's campaign.


Zypker125

No I definitely agree, I feel like people think of Gino/JL more highly because of how far they made it, but they played very passively and not in a good way for most of the season (Gino was in a great position initially but then didn't do anything to try and recover that position after Kyle's HOH, while JL straight up was in a bad position for most of the game), they made actively bad moves (ex. throwing up Kyle as a renom and ultimately getting their closest ally evicted), they were a target for most of the house on many weeks, had lucky breaks (ex. Jess losing the Safety Chain Veto despite having the better comp strategy and being in the lead for most of it + Betty backing down from voting out Gino at the last second + Marty winning HOH right after Safety Chain + In general getting lucky with HOH outcomes), and were often among the last people in the know (they were the only voters not in the know during the Stephanie blindside, they were clueless during Gino's actual blindside, etc.). This is not to mention the woeful series of misplays from both JL/Gino that got Marty to put Gino up and ultimately cause Gino's eviction (ie. The Gummy Bear Incident), and the hilariously bad segment after Steph's blindside where both Gino/JL thought the other had flipped on each other and that Kyle was in on the flip (which I think is going to be underrated as one of the worst Big Brother reads of ALL TIME). The only good move I remember JL making was her pitch to Kevin to stay in the game at F5, but even this is negated by her bad work at failing to convince Betty to not put her on the block in the first place when it was clearly in Betty's best interests at the time (and I don't think I remember a single good move Gino did). Betty was sometimes led astray by emotions (ex. F5 HOH) and had some underrated bad moves (ex. everyone's going to completely blame Josh for the endgame but Betty arguably fumbled the bag just as much as Josh did, and I think both her F4 vote to evict Haleena over Kevin AND her not downplaying her threat level to Josh in the endgame were understated terrible moves), but she had much more game sense and was much more proactive (ex. her F4 with herself, Josh, JL, and Gino was smart, she actively created social bonds that helped get her out of her initial pawn status, etc.), and we SHOULD be considering the fact that she was largely ineffective in the game because she was up against Kevin/Haleena (who were thwarting Betty's plans at nearly every turn), and they're arguably some of the best manipulators of all time. --- My ranking would probably be this: 1\. Kevin (10/10) *GAP* 2\. Haleena (8/10) 3\. Hermon (8/10) *GAP* 4\. Josh (6/10) 5\. Betty (5/10) 6\. Moose (5/10) *GAP* 7\. Summer (4/10) 8\. JL (4/10) 9\. Gino (4/10) *GAP* 10\. Tynesha? (2.5/10?) 11\. Marty? (2.5/10?) 12\. Jay? (2.5/10?) 13\. Jess? (2/10?) 14\. Kyle? (2/10?) 15\. Stephanie? (1.5/10?) 16\. Melina? (1.5/10?) The bottom rankers are kinda clunky to me, but the top ranks are fairly solid to me.


zeemolicious

Kevin moose and hermon [in the club](https://imgur.com/a/aBZtCE6) 😂


sunchip17

Omg 😂 I wish I was there, they seem so much fun


marcm6246

Interesting seeing a pic of LaToya and Tera together. LaToya seemingly despised Tera after their season.


Komatoasty

Did anyone else notice how Kevin gave Gino the godfather kiss after Gino pulled the red gummy?


purple_sangria

Haha, yes, we were cracking up watching that on feeds. That whole day was lit


Komatoasty

I missed that day of feeds and couldn't rewind in time :( of all the days to have to cram for finals!


SpankyHotDog

any idea how long it will take BBCAN10 to be added to Paramount+???


VanCityCanucks7

Just a weird observation, but Josh changed his IG handle sometime today to the same format as Kevin’s (First, Middle, Last). Don’t know what to make of this.


purple_sangria

Probably because Josh Nash was taken as it’s a common last name ETA: Looks like it’s also been his Twitter handler since 2016


purple_sangria

I just finished rewatching the finale and can’t get over how good it was. Made my husband (who isn’t into BB) watch with me and at the end I asked him wasn’t it great that he could understand and enjoy what was happening even though he hadn’t seen any of the season. He said, “Yeah, look at all the time I saved!” 😭


magiccottagecheese

Which bbcan10 cast members will Tiffany bring back to crash at Todricks?


itsjessrabbit

Breydon and Austin are currently staying there lmao who would they enjoy


jelly021

Apparently there is still drama with season 8 😂 per Angie


BBSuperFan98

Not shocked despite that season getting cancelled I remember that house was drama filled and people took any slight very personally.


jelly021

Angie was saying that there was only 3 of them there obviously her I seen Vanessa and jams. And they were doing season pictures and they didn’t want to take one together being dramatic. And I’m assuming it was jamar because after that ig story she had a picture of her and Vanessa 😂.


sunchip17

If I were him I wouldn’t want a picture with Kyle’s BFF


haltingflex

The fact that Gino doesn’t know who tf most of the people he’s hanging out with are 😭


aforter28

I can imagine him asking Jace every 5 mins who the person he just spoke to is 😍


NintendoFan29

Sorry XYZ, I didn't watch your season


familiarsilks

Kevin has a public IG now! @kevintedjacobs


bostonburgercompany

Him wearing a shirt with a picture of Ryan Ballantine wearing a shirt with a picture of him 🤯


purple_sangria

Especially funny because of Kevin saying he wanted to play like Ryan in that one video 😂


haltingflex

Kevins iconic F2 speech doing numbers on Twitter. 116k views and counting can you say legendaric? https://twitter.com/igif_/status/1522387749738799105?s=21


BBSuperFan98

One thing I love about seeing the houseguests hang out is seeing Kevin specifically genuinely meet some of the past alumni as you can tell he is such a fan at heart and is honored to meet them. He is living every superfans dream between the game he played, respect his game has from the community and meeting all these past players in person has to be so amazing for him and even though I do not know Kevin I am so happy for him.


Sheikia

I find it interesting that seemingly no one from BBcan7 is out partying. I wonder why their season is less connected


zuma15

Maybe they're refreshingly normal people.


SoGenuineAndRealMadi

Anthony literally drove Sindy there lol Most of them don’t live in TO and might not have gotten time off from work to fly out. Pretty sure all the alumni were invited Also covid is still spreading and cases are rising not everyone may feel safe wanting to party


BBSuperFan98

I saw Anthony in a post with Hermon, Jed and Godfrey tonight. As for the rest I mean none of them seemed like that big of fans or want the attention and just went back to their own lives and lay low afterwards. That and besides Anthony, Dane and maybe Adam there is really no one I would want to see from that season in really any context because they all have the personality of drywall. Like the BBCAN7 cast was so boring, people like Este, Damien, Cody, Kiki, just had no personality and in the 3 ladies I mention they were also fairly unlikable. Also they weren't even fun unlikable they were just all super catty towards each other and all the women in the house while worshipping the boys. So honestly I am fine seeing the BBCAN7 cast just go back to their lives.


fikir_hiwet

Tbh I don’t even remember anyone apart from the pretty boys so they might as well disappear


jelly021

I remember watching that season feeds and it was sooo boring even when they were in groups they had no connection or chemistry. I’m surprise Adam isn’t there as well. I think him and Anthony are probably the most involved with other alumni.


Sheikia

Nice! I didn't see Anthony was out! I would've thought Adam, Dane, Sam and maybe Este would've become part of the community, but apparently not


Sheikia

Honestly my fav was Eddie haha. Sad he's disappeared.


richieandcarts

I see Anthony’s there with everyone right now. I wish we could’ve seen him and Kevin meet.


SeasideKingDumb

I was thinking about how cool it'd be for someone to have a season long secret as big as Kevin's in BBUS but then quickly realized that shit would be exposed by a banner plane in less than 3 weeks lmao


SpankyHotDog

Derrick managed to keep his secret til the end. and Matt in BB12 kept his wife lie until he was evicted. Alex & Morgan as well.


tr0nllam

I'm pretty sure someone tried to expose Derrick via wall yelling, but it was inaudible to the HGs.


BBSuperFan98

I swear if it wasn't for her tagging along to the post BBCAN10 party stuff the last couple of days and her opinions on Twitter being so stan Twitter this season it feels pandering. I would have long forgotten about BB23 Hannah by now as she is always the most forgetful member of The Cookout and one of the more average players I have seen.


haltingflex

Hannah only goes cause of Tiffany. If Tiffany wasn’t so social I doubt Hannah would attend anything. She’s a forgettable follower of Tiffany the same way she was in the house


haltingflex

queen Spicy V and king Kevin meeting is a dream. Literally my two favorite players 😍 https://twitter.com/hermsybbcan/status/1523116568787693571?s=21


Sheikia

Yes! I'm so happy Kevin's out and with everybody. I would absolutely die if these two teamed up in an all stars season. The King and Queen of Chaos


haltingflex

Ghosts who? This would be the most elite duo possible


Sheikia

#CaptainVeeandtheWinterBaby


BBSuperFan98

[https://mobile.twitter.com/jedtavernierr/status/1523133711063171073](https://mobile.twitter.com/jedtavernierr/status/1523133711063171073) BBCAN's best and worst players meet. I can only imagine what Kevin could convince Jed to do if they both played the same season together


haltingflex

They’re pregaming early to be a mastermind duo for all stars 🤩


haltingflex

Is Kevin attending any parties? He really just won and dipped huh...


richieandcarts

I saw on hermon’s instagram he’s at least with him and Spicy V right now


haltingflex

Ok good I’ll check it out


tr0nllam

I'm surprised he wasn't at any of the parties, especially since he lives in Toronto.


zuma15

If I just got out of the BB house after 2-3 months the last thing I'd want to do is hang out with more BB players,


magiccottagecheese

I wish Rob didn’t plan the survivor live event for this week. The recap of the finale was super messy.


ranyakumoschalkboard

At least we got the awesome clip from Taran's watch party hahaha


fikir_hiwet

Ya the fact that this was the most epic finale we really needed to have a full on party to celebrate it on the podcast. But it’s ok at least they had fun in nyc


zeemolicious

I was wondering if the ghosts were going to Niagara tn for the reunion party since they haven’t been at any of the other get together, but I just saw Julie vu’s insta story and she has a pic with her, sindy, and haleena! I hope they all have so much fun, I love seeing all the past seasons show out for the reunion weekend


Sheikia

Yeah I've been following all of Julie's stories and that was the first one I've seen with Haleena in it. I wonder if she just showed up or she's been there the whole time I wish Kevin was with them, but he doesn't seem to be out at all. I saw Josh and Betty went out last night with the crew.


zeemolicious

It seemed like her and her friends/fam and kev and his friends/fam had a small gathering Thursday/Friday while everyone else was out in Toronto, so I’m pretty sure she traveled separately to Toronto (a lot of people seem to be- my fav carpooling insta was sindy in the backseat with poutine papi driving and Jed’s brother riding shotgun 😭) while a big group got a bus and did some activities in Niagara Falls today. This event in Niagara seems official like the former houseguests who planned it set up this for the “official” reunion party and promoted by the club, so I think tonight will be the most houseguests together


Sheikia

I also find it interesting that seemingly no one from bbcan7 is out? Are they less connected?


VeryAmazingHuman

I’m obsessing over their instas rn! I never cared much during bb23 even tho that lasted for several months. Good to know the ghosts are doing great


Komatoasty

Tiffany and Chaddha are there so has it even really ended


haltingflex

omg not them again lmao we’ll never be rid of bb23 hanger-ons 💀


VeryAmazingHuman

Aww haleena’s IG story is so sweet


BBSuperFan98

One thing that is always funny for me thinking of this season was the fact that Week 3 Hermon tried to organize a 6-5 vote to send Stephanie out, to make Kevin look bad but all it did was backfire and made people like Summer, Josh, and to a lesser extent Ty and Moose be sketched out by Hermon (that was the beginning I feel like of Josh wanting to work with Kevin over Hermon) especially since Kyle's HOH was chaotic enough. Then two weeks later Kevin almost flawlessly organizes the 5-4 vote to send Tynesha out and gets the two sides he wanted of Marty, JL, Gino and Jess vs Summer, Hermon, Moose, and Betty duking it out with Josh planted as a mole by Kevin for the latter side while him and Haleena are more with the former but also mostly with Josh and have the info everywhere. The way Hermon tried and failed to have a split vote only for his game to take damage on all sides while Kevin tried a split vote and it paid off beautifully is always an underrated part of the pre-jury.


SeasideKingDumb

Hermon really was just the Anti-Kevin in every way lmao. Like some Batman vs Joker rivalry the two had. Almost wished it lasted a bit longer tbh * Hermon wanted a huge alliance, Kevin hated big alliances * Hermon was pissed at chaos, Kevin wanted chaos * Hermon tried to organize a big split vote and it backfired, Kevin organized a split vote and it worked * Hermon cared about comps, Kevin couldn't win one to save his life Fundamentally I'm not sure if I've seen two completely different people like that before. Their rivalry was like a script


Just_in_it_for_memes

I think the difference between Hermon and Kevin was that Hermon was honest about his intentions, while Kevin kept his strategy hidden. Hermon told Summer, Tynesia and Josh that he wanted to play both sides, which would have been great for Hermon's game, but not so good for anybody else in his alliance. Meanwhile, Kevin never told anyone in the 5 about his alliance with Josh. He pushed for a split vote blindside by arguing that it would be great for everybody else's game, when really it was actually only good for him. Hermon said "*this move is great for me*," while Kevin said "*this move is great for you*."


Educational_Shift320

I still think Hermon played decent. Looking back at it he was playing against one of the GOAT and he managed to flip the vote back on his side even convincing Summer to turn on Betty for a bit. Obviously it didn’t stick but I think he showed real promise as a player.


Just_in_it_for_memes

I fully agree that Hermon played well. I'd probably rank him as the second best in the season overall, though I know that'll be a controversial opinion. I think Kevin becoming one of the best to ever play does elevate Hermon in my eyes, because Hermon was keeping up with him strategically for the first 3-4 weeks.


magiccottagecheese

Arisa hasn’t made the best style choices this season, but I really expected more from her on finale night than a tooth dress.


fatasscoward123

> Much love and thanks to designer Himikalas Pam Baker & T.O.C. Legends for loaning me this gorgeous eagle gown representing the first peoples of the great Northwest Coast, and to @Lisaw_style & team for helping making this beautiful Finale look a reality 🧡 @pbaker121 #BBCAN10 She specified at the finale that it was an Eagle dress representing Indigenous people


magiccottagecheese

Oh geez…I missed that part. I was trying to figure out what it was every time she showed up on the screen. My bad 😖🤦‍♀️