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GeriaticDogs

I'm in the process of trying to switch from winter skincare to spring. I have incredibly dry skin in the winter and I'm outdoors in the cold and wind a good bit. However, yesterday, my make-up looked like a greasy mess on a 65 degree day so . . .. it's time. I think I'm going to use Vit C more in the AM as opposed to the copper peptide serum and skip some of the numerous hydrating steps (serums, essences, oils) that I have. I was wearing Skinceuticals moisturizer under my sunscreen but I think I'll save that for bedtime in the warmer weather. AM Plan: PC Resist Toner; Timeless Vit C, Coxrx Snail/Niacinamide essence; and then one quick serum (PC antioxidant serum or Peach and Lily Peptide serum; or Charlotte Tilbury serum OR Estee Lauder's Advanced Night repair. If I have a drier skin day; I'll use PC Omega serum. AM moisturizer: Hmmm. For now, the dewy skin cream from Tatcha but as it gets even warmer; I'll probably use CT Magic Cream or Cosrx Balancium (sp) Ceremide Cream. Daily SPF: Beauty of Joseon SPF 50. Skincare I tried and hated: Bobbi Brown Enriched Face Base. Not for me at all. Thanks for letting me plan out loud!\~


pepperflakes19

I got the Bobbi Brown primer for free at Sephora with my points I am curious to try it but why the heck does it smell like mosquito repellent? It’s so overwhelming


disgirl4eva

💯 citronella!


GeriaticDogs

I don't know! I got mine as a sample too.


sassyassy23

Thanks for this warning. I have been contemplating it seeing all the hype about it. I’m going to pass


myhouseplantsaredead

Love the timeless vit c


Time_Title9842

Bobbi Brown Enriched Face Base is awul! I have been using it as a hang cream just to get it out of my life.


Upset_Froyo_8809

I have been trying to figure out how to use my coxrx snail/niacinamide essence into my routine


GeriaticDogs

I use mine in the morning - maybe not directly after applying my Vitamin C - but shortly thereafter. It's fairly lightweight (at least for my dry skin) and I find that the essence does give me a little plumping effect.


midnightsiren182

Sadly I do not believe cult fave Paula's Choice BHA 2% is for me. :( It makes my skin unhappy. Still on my lovefest with Tower28 SOS Spray Rekindled my love with La Roche Posay Toleriane Gentle Cream Cleanser


myhouseplantsaredead

If you’re interested in saving some $$$ the tower 28 spray is a standard hypochlorous acid spray. It’s been an unsexy antibacterial secret of ophthalmologists/derms/surgeons for ages, and you can find bigger bottles for way cheaper. The brand SkinSmart (on Amazon or at the drugstore) has 8 oz bottles for $12-13 while tower28 is $28 for 4 oz. and they’re exactly the same


blifestyleco

Likewise, the 2% BHA Toner made my skin freak the entire hell out. I waited a few days, tried it again and the same results. I don’t believe in wasting skincare, so I gave it to my partner to try and the same reaction happened. We gave up on it completely, but I’ve seen it work for other folks.


Chicasayshi

I tell anyone I can to avoid this product if you have any melanin in you. I have been avoiding this product for this reason. It’s caused so much hyperpigmentation to people because of the fact that Paula’s choice has made it a leave in product that people can use in the AM (big no). BHAs should not be used in the am at all since it can cause more damage to the skin from the sun. I also think it’s a bit too strong for poc skin. Tretnoin will work better if you’re trying to get rid of dark spots.


laereal

I bought this recently on a sale but i've yet to use it. My pores are looking pretty congested and i've not been taking care of my skin properly due to heavy depression and a host of health problems, so i thought this might be something simple enough to use to get me out of my skincare rut. That said and after reading your post, i will try to be careful with this product. 😅 In any case, i don't go out much anyway, and i wear sunscreen, a mask and a hat when i go outside, hopefully it won't harm me in other ways.


midnightsiren182

So it works really well for others! I think because I have dry sensitive skin it’s the wrong acid for me but I do know combo to oily people really like it. I think I need to stick with gentle AHAs and will prob just focus on lactic.


laereal

Yeah i'm more combo nowadays, used to be very oily. Coming out of winter dryness, i need to really ease into a good exfoliation routine though, since i've been breaking out due to me neglecting my skin. Will need to be done overnight though to keep things safe from extra sun damage.


HonestlyAnaa

I had a similar experience to you, and also have dry sensitive skin. I can use an AHA toner without too many issues as long as I'm making sure I keep my skin hydrated, and I don't use it too frequently! Obviously everyone's skin is different, but it sounds like an AHA would work better for you. Just a note though - I tried the lactic acid from The Ordinary and it burned my skin SO BAD 😬 I don't know why, but it scared me off trying lactic acid again for a while. Hopefully it works better for you than me! 😂


blifestyleco

Interesting, thanks for sharing. My typical use for the 3 times I used it was definitely during PM, one time during the AM. Can’t recall when my partner gave it a try, but I believe it was PM as well.


Chicasayshi

This one derm named doctor Venita Rattan (poc doctor) on YouTube also mentioned it should be avoided. A user on TikTok I follow - @restartingmyskincare who used it got so much hyperpigmentation from it that’s she’s trying to fix now. She mentioned the doctor told her she shouldn’t have used it all :O It’s good you stopped before it destroyed your skin.


blifestyleco

I’m going to check into these two recs! I appreciate you. And I’m glad too because I would’ve been forever pissed had it caused damage. That’s the only PC product I’ve tried that my skin didn’t like. Azealic Booster and 20% Niacinamide?! LOVE!


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Chicasayshi

I noticed when I used to use them in the morning even with SPF 50 I was getting more hyperpigmentation:O my derm mentioned it shouldn’t be worn in the am, and I stopped having that issue. I just use a peptide eye cream now, but each person should do what they feel comfortable with. I just give a little tip which someone can follow or not.


munkmartigan

Routine lately for my dry acne prone skin: AM: Stratia velvet cleansing milk, FAB wild oat toner, Maelove vitamin c, Glow Recipe niacinamide serum, Colleen Rothschild sheer renewal cream, Tula glow SPF or Neova silk sheer SPF PM: Farmacy green clean, same cleanser and toners, L'oreal revitalift hyaluronic acid, Apostrophe azelaic acid and tretinoin rx, and Skinfix barrier+ peptide cream or Farmacy honey halo, depending on how much moisture my skin needs. I've also been loving the Mizon collagen eye gel for morning and night.


liquidcarbonlines

I just caved and bought sunscreen for daily wear. I had convinced myself that the whole "wear sunscreen even indoors, on cloudy days or in front of blue screens" thing was absolute bollocks but then I did some actual research and yeah, I need to wear sunscreen. I really do. I also Frankensteined myself a new night time skin serum, cream and oil layering situation from items in my stash after finishing my L'Occitaine renewal night stuff (it was a gift and I used it and loved it but refuse to re buy it) and my skin was so hydrated when I woke up this morning I only needed half the usual pre-makeup skincare steps. So... Win? I can't think of a skincare product I hated but I'm begrudgingly working my way through a bottle of L'Occitaine oil to milk cleanser (can you spot a theme?) which is... Fine? I guess. It does nothing.


jiggjuggj0gg

Obviously wear sunscreen outside but unless the sun is shining on you through a window you don’t need it if you’re indoors. It also doesn’t do anything to filter blue light but blue light doesn’t do anything bad to your skin anyway.


R12B12

This weekend I finally started using the Niod serums I ordered back during the Deciem November sale. This is my first time using Niod products. I don’t know why I waited this long to open them! I think I was intimidated by how expensive they are, so I kept putting off opening them until I’d done a lot of research on the best way to use them. Plus I have a huge mother load of other skincare from Black Friday sales that I’ve been working through. But anyway, its only been a few days so I haven’t seen any results, but my skin seems to be handling the products just fine. I got the CAIS, MMHC, and Survival 0. I hope I’ve learned my lesson not to go overboard buying skincare on Black Friday, no matter how good the deals (plus Rakuten cashback) are. For the past 5 months I’ve had a mountain of products sitting on my dresser and every time I look at it it’s overwhelming! I honestly think this stash will last me until Black Friday 2022.


disgirl4eva

I’ve got a good routine going! Morning: Cerave hydrating cleanser, Timeless Vitamin C, The Ordinary Niacinamide (this was a gift and when it’s gone I won’t repurchase, just don’t see any difference), then I change the next part up. I either use Elf Holy Hydration with squalane, then my Supergoop Unseen Sunscreen. Or I just use the Elta MD moisturizing sunscreen. Yesterday I picked up a mini of the Supergoop Glow Screen and wore it today. It looked great under my makeup! Night: Clinique take the day off balm, Cerave cleanser, alternate between Skinmedica retinol and Sunday Riley good genes, Elf Holy Hydration.


Enilodnewg

I love the elf holy hydration with squalane! The texture is fun and does feel like a drink for the skin. Have you gotten a new bottle of the timeless vit c? I restocked in Feb when they had a 40% off sale and this new one has a slightly different pump! Hasn't leaked on me yet, but I do instinctively keep it upright. Thought I'd mention bc that's everyone's number 1 complaint about the product.


disgirl4eva

I can’t remember when I got my current bottle but it’s the same pump I’m used to. Ugh, I guess my next bottle will have the new pump.


CysticPizza

My skin type is oily/combo with hormonal acne and I’m in a dry climate. I’m trying out different combos right now so my routine is a mess. Some of the new products I’m trying/integrating into my routine: +Byoma moisture rich cream +Byoma balancing face mist +Neogen real ferment micro essence +TO Azelaic Acid I love the Byoma products so far.. My only issue is the pump on the cream doesn’t seem to want to actually dispense the product. Bummer because it’s a really nice cream that’s been saving my skin. I also just panned the Innbeauty Foam Around cleanser and it wasn’t super pleasant to use (not a fan of the scent and sometimes it didn’t feel as gentle as the brand claims), but I’m finding myself wishing I could reach for it 😭


tinytwin21

Hi. I actually just bought that Neogen essence. I would appreciate if you could share any thoughts on it…thanks!


CysticPizza

I got the sample size to try out since I’ve been eyeing the essence for awhile. I’ve had it for three days and I have used it all of those three days. So far it’s been really nice and hydrating. No bad reaction to it. That’s all I can say for now, unfortunately.


tinytwin21

Gotcha! I appreciate you taking the time to respond!


Malletdown

My holy grail products have been the Jack Black sunscreen and lip balm! The sunscreen is the only one that’s never broken me out and the lip balm is the only thing that keeps up with my chronically chapped lips.


alliepgh

I recently tried the Florence by Mills moisturizer. A friend gave it to me after she didn't like it. Unfortunately, I don't like it either. My friend has dry skin, and it wasn't hydrating enough for her. I'm oily, and it was too greasy for me. I don't know who this product is for. Has anyone else tried it? Do you like it?


Mediocre_Judgment

Skin type - dry/combination sensitive with hormonal acne spots AM: rinse face with cold water and sort of pat dry. While its still damp, apply Inkey List Hyaluronic acid. Let that soak in (I brush my teeth/put my contacts in and its dry by then) and then use CeraVe light am moisturizer with spf. During the summer or if I'm going to be outside, I finish with La Roche Posay melt in milk sunscreen. PM: remove makeup/spf with Kose Softymo oil cleanser and rinse off. CeraVe hydrating cleanser and hyaluronic acid on damp skin. Once thats dry I use the Inkey List BHA serum and let that dry for 5-10 min. Finish up with CeraVe in the tub and right before I fall asleep, I put a thin layer of CeraVe healing ointment (slugging lol). I've tried The Ordinary's lactic acid and alpha arbutin and both seem to break me out so I'm on the hunt for something to lighten some old acne spots. Open to suggestions if anyone has anything they've loved!


cdivinity

Skin type: dry and fairly sensitive So for the morning, if I’m not gonna be working out I have been washing with the skinfix oil to foam cleanser and then following with the equalrxn toner (so good and hydrating). From there, I have been using the Summer Fridays dream oasis serum and layer glow recipe’s vitamin c over that. Then the plum plum moisturizer if I need a bit more moisture and spf. For spf, I have been loving supergoop play as well as the kinship self-reflect sport surprisingly.


chaichurr0s

MORNING: CosRX snail gel cleanser, Caudalie vitamin C serum, Purito deep sea moisturizer, tatcha silk sunscreen NIGHT: farmacy cleansing balm, CosRX snail gel cleanser, Dr. Ceuracle Kombucha essence, either farmacy hydrating serum or Drunk Elephant T.L.C. Glycolic Body Lotion, Purito deep sea moisturizer ​ product I dislike, banila co cleaning balm...it just didnt remove all my makeup well.


Invidiana

I LOVE Kiramoon products. Everything. They don’t have very many things out yet, but I have fallen hard for the Flower Melon hyaluronuic acid serum, magic facial (amazing exfoliator) and now the face wash. Give us more!!!


CysticPizza

Kiramoon caught my eye awhile back but I told myself to chill on new stuff. My favorite indie brand just closed up shop so I’m eyeing them now again but with purpose >:)


According-Public-738

I know it's popular but the Supergoop Glowscreen was a big ol' no for me. Man, did it ever sting my eyes. I tried to avoid that area but no matter what I did my eyes would begin to sting and become irritated to the point that I had to wash it all off.


eisdamme

am skincare: * if it's mon wed or fri i use the nuface + ultrasound gel first * cold water splashed on face and very gently patted with a microfiber cloth * brow regrowth serum * timeless vitamin c + e + ferrulic serum (i keep it in the fridge) * mix some glycerin with water and pat it on my face * hada labo hyaluronic acid serum * cerave cream (the one in the tub) * embryolisse cream * the ordinary "b" oil * if i am very, very dry i toss on some aquaphor only on the dry patches * this is where i would add sunscreen which currently is black girl sunscreen kids spf 50 if i am going to wear makeup. (if not i used to really like no-ad face and body stick, or biore aqua rich watery essence) \* if wearing makeup, this is where i would do a lip balm, and more embryolisse and a hydrating primer * if i am not wearing makeup then i am probably doing some sort of facial/lymphatic massage pm skincare: * if i wore makeup i use albolene and a soft microfiber cloth to cleanse * on weekends i do an oil cleanse with apricot kernel oil * cerave hydrating cleanser OR la roche posay cleanser * bioderma hydrating micellar water * if it's mon wed or fri i use prescription curology tretinoin + niacinimide + tranaxemic acid, but i usually buffer it by putting a thin layer of moisturizer under it. usually the ordinary natural moisturizing factors or cerave. * mix some glycerin with water and pat it on my face * hada labo hyaluronic acid serum * cerave skin renewing night cream * weleda skin food rich * the ordinary "b" oil or marula oil * peace out skincare retinol eye stick * castor oil on brows * a thin layer of aquaphor, cerave healing or vaseline over it all * a lip mask stuff i do as needed: * facial shaving with oil * hyrocolloid patches * wet konjac sponge only on flaky areas very lightly, usually if i am doing serious makeup * every 2-3 weeks, shave face with facial razors * maybe once a month chemical peel the ordinary aha/bha peel and then hyaluronic acid serum and la roche posay cicaplast baume. i also have mandelic peels in different strengths by makeup artist's choice, as well the ordinary's lactic acid peel, this depends on what my skin's like. * paula's choice bha * the ordinary glycolic toner (one a week at most, more like every 2 weeks) * lotion masks with hada labo * farmacy honey potion mask * gua sha tools, an amma tool, mostly for facial and tmjd pain, but also other stuff I tried two things that didn't work. DHC cleansing oil made my skin feel lovely, but I had whiteheads the very next day that stopped every time I discontinued use. (And reappeared if I tried it again.) I'm using it as a bodywash now. The Ordinary Squalane did the same thing. :/ The Rephr moisturizer is lovely feeling and also makes my skin feel great but it seems to also be breaking me out, so I'm using it as skin prep on my husband.


luandreev

My am routine: Cerave Foaming Cleanser Skinceuticals Serum 10 Serum Vichy Mineral 89 Serum Roc Retinol Complexion Eye Cream La Roche-Posay Anthelios Invisible Fluid I’m loving all of these 💙


Chicasayshi

This routine looks great!! The only thing I would change is pivot the eye cram to the PM because retinol shouldn’t be used in the am at all. Retinol makes your skin more sensitive to the sun, and it’ll decrease efficiency. Maybe try a peptide eye cream or one with antioxidants or a moisturizer that you can apply to the eyes as well that have either peptides or antioxidants :)


luandreev

Thanks for the tip! ⭐️


Chicasayshi

You’re welcome! :)


ashplepie

AM: - cetaphil gentle cleanser - inkey list hyaluronic acid - biossance vitamin c dark spot serum - mad hippie eye cream - first aid beauty ultra repair cream (it’s still winter in Alberta 😭) - neutrogena ultra sheer moisturizing face serum sunscreen OR garnier ombrelle tinted sunscreen OR la roche posay tinted sunscreen PM: - clinique take the day off cleansing balm - cetaphil gentle cleanser - inkey list hyaluronic acid - 4 nights/week inkey list Q10 serum, 3 nights/week biossance lactic acid resurfacing serum - acure radically rejuvenating eye cream - acure radically rejuvenating night cream *a couple times a week if I’m feeling the self care vibes and it’s not a lactic acid night I use either the caudalie glycolic acid mask or the caudalie vitamin c mask. *I also have the caudalie radiance serum that I use sometimes when I need a little extra moisture or am feeling a little dull


jolenetschida

Oh my gosh. I’m currently trying all sorts of cleansing balms and the Milani Avocado Makeup melter is by far the worst. I use the CeraVe foaming facial cleanser morning and night. I’ve been using the origins Ginzing Moisturizer in the morning(it’s been great). I’ve been using the Farmacy ultra hydrating ceramide moisturizer at night(also been great). I actually tried the farmacy honey potion face mask today. Hated it. Felt like my skin was burning moments in. Promptly washed it off.


Hedgehog_Mist

Skin type - dry to normal Concerns - hormonal acne around my chin, sun damage from too many years of no sunscreen, and a compulsive skin-picking habit AM - Splash my face with water Cosrx Hydrium Triple Hyaluronic Moisture Ampule - underrated product that I credit for taking me from dry skin to normal skin Vanicream Facial Moisturizer I *was* using the Omi Verdio Moisture Essence SPF 50 and it was the most perfect dewy glass skin sunscreen that never broke me out , but I can't find it anymore. I'm trying the Missha Soft Finish Sun Milk SPF 50 now instead and it's nice. I miss the glow but this is still a nice sunscreen. PM - ELF Holy Hydration Cleansing Balm Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Daily Cleanser Eucerin Q10 Anti-wrinkle Face Cream - nice and rich and affordable so I can slather it on Differin - started in January once a week and am up to every other day. Really starting to see a difference. I haven't had a pimple at all in the last month and some of my scarring on my chin from over-picking is already starting to clear up. Cosrx Acne Pimple Patches for breakouts mostly because I need the barrier between my face and my fingers and the healing is great too. These have made the biggest difference in my skin. I'll use them on my legs and arms too if I have any areas I want to pick at and they really do stop me.


docamyames

Where were you buying the omi sunscreen from? I just bought some from yesstyle on the recommendation. of another Reddit user. I think it’s the same sunscreen that you are taking. About


Hedgehog_Mist

I had been ordering on yesstyle but couldn't find it recently. Maybe they just restocked?


docamyames

This is the one i got - maybe yours is different or they repackaged?? https://www.yesstyle.com/en/tcuc.USD/coc.US/info.html/pid.1112218675?googtrans=en&utm_source=GoogleAds&utm_campaign=1424525216&utm_term=&utm_content=54841302126_274199995080&utm_medium=Shopping&bac=MIEU1SGQ&mcg=paidsearch&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmPSSBhCNARIsAH3cYgZgasUgSJYIAZ_dxKnXTevfPr4NG6UYaNGZXo1Ryj05kl1wVs3bzAEaArs5EALw_wcB##productImageCover It looks you might mean this one: https://www.stylevana.com/en_US/omi-verdio-uv-moisture-essence-spf-50-pa-50g.html It looks might have been reformulated?? Cos all i see is as the 2022 version for essence sunscreen https://www.stylevana.com/en_US/omi-verdio-uv-tone-up-essence-spf50-pa-2022-version-50g.html Which seems to have a pink color correcting aspect. I like the ieshan mommy milk, which i hear is similar to omi verido. https://www.yesstyle.com/en/isehan-kiss-me-mommy-uv-aqua-milk-spf-50-pa/info.html/pid.1058331261##productImageCover


Hedgehog_Mist

Omg, this is amazing, thank you! I'll definitely order from that first link once I run out of my Missha. Do you find it to have a glassy, glowy finish?


docamyames

Def not as glassy as the verido but the ieshan is def moisturizing and would. Be too much for oily skin. I think the gel omi verido is different than the essence sunscreen - i don’t find the gel to be glassy on me, but it will come summer?


Slight_Minimums

So unlike my makeup collection, my skincare tends to have multiple choices. I go back and forth and I try different things (as long as its fragrance-free and doesn't have niacinamide or vitamin c in it, I'm game. With that said, I will always have Cosrx Snail Mucin essence, Krave beauty's Great Barrier Relief serum, I'm from Honey Glow Cream, Missha Time Revolution Artemisia Ampoule, and Biossance Mineral Sunscreen. These are my HG products and I will sigh deeply if any of them get discontinued (very deeply).


docamyames

Hi! What’s the scent of the im from honey glow cream? My skin loves anything honey but not strong scents. Thanks!


Slight_Minimums

There's very little scent and it comes from the ingredients (i.e. no added fragrance)..its like a very creamy honey smell. That's the best way I can explain it..if you don't like strong scents, I think you would like it or at the very least it won't bother you.


docamyames

Thank you so much


DMMeYouHoldingAFish

Has anyone tried that new Lush date bodywash? I love dates sm and I know it'll probably be gone after Eid so I guess I gotta make a decision soonish but I'm not sure I'm crazy about the other parts of it.


PM_ME_BREAD_PICS_

I started using alpha arbutin from the ordinary about three weeks ago with holy hydration with SPF during the day and CeraVe at night. I don't know if it's working because it's only been three weeks and I did have a recent breakout and also I'm impatient. I just want these red spots gone :(


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I mostly bought skin care during the Sephora sales. Hated most of the thing I got (few products from Tula, Glow The Recipe and Tatcha), The one thing I loved is the cleanser from SoulCare and I ordered both of their face and skin sets to try out more of their products. I love the name. It makes me feel very happy and relax rn and I really need that. I love the name. It's not just skin care, but *soul care*.


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Retinol, lots of Astral. Having used everything at some point, Astral is the most moisturising cream I’ve ever used.


MakingWickedBacon

I have combination skin, and I’m prone to acne breakouts along my jaw/neck. My current routine is Glow recipe watermelon glow moisturizer in the AM. I have a night routine that I’ve fallen out of (trying to get back into it) includes the Body Shops chamomile cleanser butter, Glow recipe blueberry bounce cleanser, Farmacy deep sweep toner, and Clinique ID hydrating clearing jelly.


luxlucy23

Are retinols/ tret really necessary or will it make a huge difference? I have a decent skincare routine (double cleanse at night, use tatcha the dewy skin cream. AM Use the Tatcha dewy skin serum and a sunscreen and get Botox as needed. I’m in my early 30s and most retinols I’ve tried just dried out my face and eyes soo bad.


docamyames

I think it’s individual based. I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary but can work for a lot of people. For me, i have sensitive rosacea skin, and when my derm said it could help with some pustules i was having I said tret are you kidding me? That stuff tore my skin apart years ago. Once i changed my approach and started low and very slow, and buffered, it changed my relationship with tret. So he had me do this: essence, light layer of moisturizer after cleansing, tret, wait 10 mins, then moisturizer again. He started me off on 0.025% cream, and said for the first 4 weeks start of 2x per week, then for the next 4 weeks go to 3x per week, ect. I’m stuck on 3x per week but i have really found my texture is smoother and I’m getting less pustules over all. If i couldn’t handle tret he told me to use retinaldehyde products, and he recommend avene brand, or Maelove retinaldehyde serum. I think if you want to dip a toe into retinols again try retinaldehyde, which is only one conversion away to retionic acid or tret. 1. Avene retrinal 2. Maelove midnight retrinal serum 3. Medi8ate crystal retinal (various strengths) 4. Mychelle retinaldehyde 5. Geek and gorgeous A game retinaldehyde


localnarwhals

I just bought the tony moly watermelon serum And I love it. It smells refreshing and leaves my skin soft. I use it in the morning before my moisturizer. If I had a “beauty fridge” I’d keep it in there because I think that would really amplify my love for it. My holy grail product is the cosrx snail mucin essence. A little goes a long way. It’s amazing. Recently bought the elf hydro concealer. What a shame. I don’t wear foundation I just spot conceal and this one sucks. On the hunt for a better one.