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BraggnnRights

1. Extremely easy access to firearms 2. Low quality of mental care and stigmatization of those who asks for it 3. The cult of strength where one with a gun is perceived as a strong one 4. Extreme individualism, where life of others valued less than own interests


STJ41

Nothing else to say. You say it.


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America is "trying" so hard to stop/lessen an issue 194 other countries already figured out


dogbonej

bUt GeRmAnY bEfOrE wW2 & cHiNa…how about the other 192 successful countries sir?


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The other 192 countries (according to your comment) dont have regular mass shootings


dogbonej

Sorry I was imitating a typical response by a gun-bro with the alternating capitalization


[deleted]

Ohhh ok. So sorry


ValvanHNW

Literally our whole society is like a school shooter breeding factory it's insane


kidnyou

Americans are experiencing more and more powerlessness to control their environment & lives throwing fuel on the fire. Add guns and a violent culture on top of that (because it's profitable - for the left (ie movies, music) and right (ie guns)), & there you go. That powerlessness is a result of billionaires, corporations and fringe elements stealing it from the average citizen. We blame it on politics, but those above are determining our choices to begin with - especially after Citizens United.


Ponyboy451

This. Guns are the last step in a series of events that lead to this type of thing happening. Mental health needs to be about treatment and not just over-medication. Systems that trap people in destitution and poverty need to be reformed. This is a multi-faceted problem.


WatchTheBoom

I disagree that guns are the *last* in the series of priorities. It's for sure the most impactful aspect of our culture.


Ponyboy451

Not priorities, but the last step before a tragic outcome. Lots of parts of our system have failed most these people before they reach for a firearm, and if we address guns **only** as a cure-all, mass killings will still occur with different methods. I’m not saying don’t improve gun control. I’m saying that’s far from the only issue that leads to these things happening.


HamburgerEarmuff

Is it though? Plenty of other countries have high rates of private firearms ownership and low rates of firearms homicides. Most households in the Falkland Islands, for instance, have firearms. But they don't have a lot of firearms homicides there. Places like Canada and Switzerland and Montenegro and Serbia have much lower firearms homicide rates despite having high rates of private firearms ownership.


AngryCrotchCrickets

Falkland Islands have a small population. This means small chance of a brain diseased maniac being present in society. I think Switzerland has a higher than normal rate of suicide. Gun ownership is also linked directly to military service. So lets say these are more responsible gun owners. Ill agree that Switz scores pretty high on the standard of living/happiness index, which has an effect on violent crimes. The problem with gun ownership in the US is the lack of screening of who can own weapons. The government should do a full background/character check before giving you the PRIVILEGE of owning a gun. This means social media posting, career, schooling, and interviewing people close to you. Of course this would require a lot of manpower.


EGG_CREAM

Reducing the amount of guns out there is the quickest and easiest way to reduce gun violence. What you're saying isn't totally wrong, but it's the equivalent of saying that the best way to make an intersection safer is to change the culture of America so that we're not rushing everywhere all the time. Sure, in a couple centuries that'll be great, but for now let's just lower the speed limit and add a traffic light.


chaseinger

5. exceptionalism, where criticizing the status quo means "hating america" thus preventing change 6. corporate overlords owning everything and suffocating any social change for short term profits as a core systemic installment i have those points at 5 and 6 but reddit formatting does its own thing i guess.


TheCannavangelist

Can't really add anything to that. Well stated.


PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls

> Extremely easy access to firearms Eliminate this one, and the deadly symptoms start to wane. We obviously need to tackle the others...but this one needs to be dealt with immediately.


Sirhc978

It isn't exactly easy to get your first gun in a lot of states.


bluelion70

But crossing state lines to go to a state when it IS easy to get your first firearm is a fucking cakewalk. That’s why, according to the FBI, 92% of the crimes involving firearms in New York City are perpetrated with a firearm that was bought in either Virginia, or one of the Carolinas.


HamburgerEarmuff

That's changing though. For instance, in California, as many of half of guns recovered in crime scenes these days are homemade. Criminals just take the path of least resistance. In California, straw purchases and stolen guns are no longer the path of least resistance. Anyone with half a brain can build a firearm in the privacy of their own garage and then sell it for triple the profit to punks on the streets.


bluelion70

“The path of least resistance” is exactly right. That’s the entire argument behind gun control, that pro gun activists reject. No, of course no law will stop EVERY crime, but the more difficult you make it for someone to do something, the less likely they are to be able to manage it successfully. And yet we constantly hear “what’s the point of gun restrictions, criminals will just do their crime anyway!”


Sirhc978

Building your own gun isn't exactly a cakewalk.


bluelion70

No, but driving two states over and buying one at a gun show for cash from someone who doesn’t bother to do any checks on your background is pretty easy.


icedoutclockwatch

All it needs to be is insanely easy in a few states if the whole country is connected by interstates. In Nebraska you don’t need any sort of prerequisites to buy a rifle. To buy a pistol you pay $5, fill out an application, and they send you a handgun license in a week. You can then open carry that pistol in the whole state.


HamburgerEarmuff

All firearms dealers in the US are required to submit federal background checks before selling.


icedoutclockwatch

So you can buy a gun to go commit your first shooting but not your second? Sounds like a good system glad you brought that to my attention.


HamburgerEarmuff

Spree shootings account for less than 1% of all firearms deaths in the United States. It's not really a meaningful source of data to base firearms policy upon.


PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls

It's still too easy.


NorthImpossible8906

Exactly. And just an fyi for Americans, you can actually solve problems by taking several steps to resolve them. It's not a 'choose just one' kind a thing.


PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls

Americans are simple and stupid. We're a choose just one sort of people.


wigginsadam80

How? Seriously.


PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls

"I wanna shoot up this place, but I cannot get access to weapons. Dang."


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Alright, that may be so. (Well, the first two, anyway. I'm not sure the other two do anything to actually explain mass murder.). But granting the first two at least: Can we test some of these assumptions as a sort of thought experiment? Pick a country that has decent mental healthcare - Sweden? Japan? I'm not an expert on this. If they suddenly had comparable access to firearms, would we see the same sort of mass shootings? Importantly, *if not, why not*? Now, suppose you had the US adopt that country's mental healthcare system 20 years ago. Would we see comparable rates of mass murder to that country? And finally, suppose both: suppose the 1994 assault weapons ban had stayed on the books in 2004, and all the "assault weapons" and magazines over 10 rounds that existed today were either 28 years old, or illegally imported; *AND* assume we had that country's mental healthcare system, but still all the same other factors (economic, political, social) we have today that are causing population-level stress, strife, and anxiety. Would we truly have that country's level of mass murder?


wigginsadam80

How many shootings are done by "assault weapons" (I really hate that term) vs pistols?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

The FBI data says about 4% or less with all rifles and shotguns combined IIRC, about 70%ish with handguns, and the rest weren't available in the data. I could be off by a few percentage points, and that's for all guj homicide, not filtered for number of victims, ideology/motivation of the shooter, etc.


NorthImpossible8906

> Can we test some of these assumptions as a sort of thought experiment? Yes. The USA is literally the only country where this happens constantly, all the time, every couple of days. And it almost never happens anywhere else. Like decades between such events. How is your thought experiment doing now?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Well, since you didn't engage with it at all, I'd say... It's not really challenged in any way.


NorthImpossible8906

I literally gave you a complete answer to your alleged thought experiment. You have definitive proof.


AngryCrotchCrickets

Why are people so fucking tone deaf. THIS ISNT HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE US. END OF STORY. WHAT THE FUCK


russiangn

Extreme individualism is also why people are anti covid vaccine, IMHO


bluejester12

I'd add the amount of diversity, which breeds mistrust against those who are different.


Michannie

This doesn’t happen in Canada which I believe is the most diverse country in the world. It’s the media that breeds the hate. Let’s not call it mistrust.


bluejester12

Sincere question: How is Canada diverse?


Michannie

25% of population is south asian 20% is Chinese 15.5% is black. In Toronto about half of the population is a person of colour. Diversity reduces ignorance and increases tolerance. I’m Canadian and white. When I went to a southern part of America I was shocked that I didn’t see a person of colour until a few days into my trip and it honestly made me very uncomfortable and also helped me understand why the hate is so strong. People fear what they don’t know.


HEXdidnt

Diversity in and of itself does not breed mistrust. Quite the contrary. Exposure to new people, new ideas, new cultures, etc. tends to broaden one's horizons. Diversity, coupled with poor education, and the aforementioned 'extreme individualism' certainly seems to breed mistrust... With the emphasis on the latter two elements.


westondeboer

This, I want to experience different cultures. I want to try different foods.


bitsystem

The norm in many countries is multiculturalism, and I believe that it makes people much more tolerant and open, the problem is precisely that having so few races in a country (in general) makes people chose sides and behave defensively


who_you_are

(I don't know the exact motivation of the last shooter). Ignoring the gun issues and all points above (which are some damn red blinking flags), schools also don't handle bulling. (Or when they do somehow the victim get the sanctions...) And I won't even talk about some students special needs that are in the same pool as regular one. Not only do they don't have enough resources, but since young peoples likes to bully easy target... They become a bigger target.


ospfpacket

Economic status and access to monetary freedom is low.


Extreme_Connection42

Because we're fucking morons.


02Monster

An interesting read. https://en.as.com/latest_news/gun-laws-in-other-countries-why-dont-mass-shootings-happen-outside-of-the-us-n/. Comparing with Australia’s approach to gun regulation “In 1996 Australia suffered its 13th mass shooting in 18 years when Martin Bryant killed 35 people at a popular tourist resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. This attack led to all states and territories in the country adopting the National Firearms Agreement, which established a national gun registry, imposed permit requirements, and banned all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The government also introduced a buyback program which took around 650,000 firearms off the streets. That proved to be a turning point in Australia, with a 2018 study from the University of Sydney noting that there had been just one mass shooting in the 22 years following the reforms.” Says it all.


woodychairelson

It was a turning point. There was already a downward trend. That trend only increased like 1.5% after the ban.


NorthImpossible8906

Let's not forget that it is a known fact that Russia has spent millions upon millions funding the NRA. This is the senate report about how the NRA became a Russian asset. https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/The%20NRA%20%20Russia%20-%20How%20a%20Tax-Exempt%20Organization%20Became%20a%20Foreign%20Asset.pdf spoiler alert, Russia did not do this out of love for Americans. It was an enormous operation to fuck up Americans, to divide the population, to sow discord and hatred.


HamburgerEarmuff

I mean, the US has been divided for a long time. In 2000, about half of Americans were for further gun control and half were against it, and the split among Democrats, Republicans, and independents was pretty similar, with Democrats being slightly in favor of gun control and Republicans being slightly against it. But things have become so polarized that now, almost every Democrat is in favor of additional gun control and the overwhelming majority of Republicans oppose it. Independents are still split down the middle. Gun control, like many things, has become a hyperpartisan issue. As long as the country is so divided along partisan lines, then that makes it essentially impossible to come to any sort of a compromise on it, or any other divisive partisan issue.


NorthImpossible8906

> But things have become so polarized that now, Exactamundo! There is a metric shitload of media, social media, and influence making it so. That's the point.


Hamfiter

They don’t. https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/america-doesnt-actually-lead-the-world-in-mass-shootings/


SnooChipmunks126

Isolation, lack of community, falling into communities that promote toxic ideals like racism.


theclansman22

Because it is easier to get a gun than it is to get mental health care. Gun violence in all forms, from suicides to mass shootings are higher there than anywhere else in the developed world. And there is zero will to change it. The left will claim gun control is the solution, but they don't have the power to enact any gun control laws (being down 6-3 on the supreme court means it will likely take a god damn constitutional amendment). The right will blame it on mental health, but only as a way to distract from gun control, because they will never follow it up for additional funding for mental health services. Just, "It's not a gun issue, just a mental health issue" and then move on. Making mental health resources more accessible? That's socialism silly. Sandy Hook happened with zero federal response to prevent it from happening again. The same will happen here, its just another Tuesday in the USA.


wowguineapigs

Exactly this. There’s two sides to it, mental health care and gun control. And republicans are constantly voting no to both. Even though they say it’s a mental health problem, they’re the ones against good healthcare. Nobody can afford a damn therapist


HamburgerEarmuff

I mean, I live in California. It's effectively a uniparty state and I haven't seen the Democrats do anything meaningful to support mental healthcare. We see people literally dying in their own filth in full public view, and they cannot usually be forced into mental healthcare treatment because of the way state laws are written. And it's not like mental healthcare here in schools is easily available. It can be quite expensive for those who cannot afford it. I don't believe the data supports your claims. The Democrats have controlled the government entirely for most of the past thirty years, so it's not the Republicans blocking mental healthcare reform. The Republicans are just a convenient excuse for those in DC to use, but the Democrats clearly have no real interest in serious mental healthcare reform either.


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n9vember

It’s incredibly easy to procure guns when you cross state lines to states that have lax gun control laws.


MadMaid42

Because it’s easier, quicker, cheaper and less stigmatized to get a gun than therapy.


Easetres

it would be great to not take up the space of this question that has already been asked 50 times today.


NorthImpossible8906

I don't know, those children are still dead, so I think we can still ask.


PersonalityLost5228

Because they refuse to support gun control AND healthcare, which would include mental health.


PaddlinPaladin

It's the guns. You'd have a lot more deadly accidents too if anyone could buy an F1 or racing motorcycle at 18


Rottenox

Extremely accessible guns.


werres123

1. Easy access to fire arms. its ridiculous how a 18 year old burger flipper was able to buy not 1 , but 2 ARs with 350+ bullets. Noone even bothered to query what an 18 year old will do with such fire power? 2. glorification of guns in popular media. 3. Complete absence of proper mental health care. 4. glorification of bullying and not considering bullying as a major trauma kids go through. 5. Idiotic politicians in the pockets of gun lobby who argue for the solution of stopping mass shooting is to concentrate even more guns around the kids..To note, there has always been people with guns present during such shootings and not a single one has prevented these tragic events to take place.


HamburgerEarmuff

Your number five is wrong. There are mass shootings, including those at schools, where nobody with a gun was present (most schools are zero tolerance gun free zones) or where someone armed with a firearm was able to stop the shooting.


werres123

Majority of the cases, the shooter has killed himself or is killed by law enforcement agents , the people whose job it is to protect. Not the usual tom, dick, harry toting their rifles in walmart have stopped or are going to stop a mass shooter any time soon.


buruberu0

We need to find a way to stop equating gun ownership with personal freedom. But like racial segregation, the US was founded on it and it’s seen by many as a patriotic cause.


DavidDAmaya

Guns more easily available than health care or education


Desolecontra

Damn shame


brock_lee

Because we have more guns than people. Literally. It's no wonder we have more mass shootings than there are days.


ThatIowanGuy

Easy access to guns Shit access to mental and medical healthcare Republicans do everything they can to not reduce the numbers and democrats going “I wish we could but the republicans won’t let us” while they also do nothing.


RevenRadic

metal health isn't treated


adamuek

do you really have to ask it’s easy to get a gun then to get a drivers license and gun dealers won’t even bother doing a background check on anyone and if they do they can just bypass it and just make the sell


No-Pomegranate-4906

As a foreigner who lived in America and studied about their instituciones during college: one important factor is the indoctrination many of you have into the individualistic and liberal doctrine that has build most of your political, social and economic society. What I mean is, Americans tend to see for themselves before anyone else; that’s one pillar of the American conception of freedom, rights and private property. Republicans won’t give up their arms, because they have the right to hunt/ shoot discs/ have them under your bed/ take photos or whatever you want to think about, independently of what other people do. Giving up one of their rights (which is funny you consider right to have weapons but not to have food) is outrageous because 200 years ago someone said it was right, and since then that idea has formed the institutions. Other nationalities would give up one right way more easily if that would mean having a better community; the thing is, American culture is not communitarian, but rather individualistic.


beraleh

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. If you are inclined to homicidal behavior, there is an entire community that glorifies guns, buying them and using them to settle scores. You can become a part of this community and psyche yourself to action.


ResponsibleJaguar109

I went to my Dr over the winter and was diagnosed with seasonal depression. He gave me some meds that help and asked if I wanted to see a psych counselor. I thought, "What could it hurt to talk out my problems?" He put in a referral. I've been waiting three months so far and don't have an appointment. I just wanted to bounce some ideas off a professional and have no homicidal ideation. Now I wonder how many of these, and likely future, killers might have been helped if they'd at least been able to talk to someone outside a toxic family unit. We have to do better or it will get even worse.


Mother_Gazelle9876

decades of defunding education, and Healthcare mixed with an economic system that sucks all wealth to the top 10% leaving many feeling hopeless and afraid


Sad_Butterscotch9057

Because you're a culture soaked in violence and oppression. Your damned 'founding fathers' were slave drivers, and expansionary génocidaires. Your media/public is more afraid of consensual sex than murder. Isn't that fucked up? You send your youth to go abroad and murder in a random oil country, once or several times a generation. America is "red in tooth and claw."


gabecush1000

Because we give them the access to the weapons and material


Storm_7791

First, people sometimes get bullied, or have mental health issues and feel the only way to feel good is to kill Second, it's so easy to get s gun in the US Lastly, people these days in America son locos


cat_mom13

Because nothing ever gets done. No one wants to make it harder for ppl to get their precious guns and no one wants to bother with other ppls mental health issues. This place sucks.


[deleted]

The 2nd amendment. Based off of law we can’t really band any kind of firearm without it being unconstitutional. Also people who need help don’t get it because it’s not free healthcare here. That’s just a couple of reasons but that’s the 2 big ones I think.


No-Way-8271

The US gun lobby has fought very hard to keep it this way.


Admiral_Fancypants

The NRA holds way too much political power and spends millions on lobbying politicians.


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Answers to this question that revolve around civilian firearms ownership necessarily must assume that if the populations of other nations - Japan, Sweden, Romania, Costa Rica, etc. - suddenly had comparable rates of gun ownership, they'd have comparable rates of mass shootings. I think if we're being intellectually honest, we probably don't believe that hypothesis, counter-factual as it may be. Sure, they might have some... maybe. But I don't honestly believe that mere access to guns is the only factor that causes people to be willing to murder their fellow citizens at random.


bluelion70

No, it’s as much based in our culture of entitlement and selfishness, as it is about access to firearms. But when you have a nation of people who all believe that their own personal rights are more important than everyone else’s life, adding unrestricted proliferation of firearms to that equation makes it exponentially worse.


HungryLikeTheWolf99

I don't think so. These mass shooters typically expect one of three outcomes (as evidenced by both their actions and their manifestos): they'll be killed, they'll kill themselves, or they'll be imprisoned for the rest of their lives (which are potentially shortened due to being executed). Perhaps it's just a failing of my own imagination, but I cannot fathom how a mass shooter is feeling that they're putting their own "rights" ahead of anything by committing a mass murder which the expect to end in any of those typical fashions.


bluelion70

It’s their right to be noticed, to be appreciated, to be heard, that they’re obsessed with. And since nobody is giving them those things in their regular lives, then they’re going to just take them by force, and compel us to pay attention to them. Because they believe they’re entitled to our attention.


HungryLikeTheWolf99

That's not a right. And I don't think Occam's Razor supports this notion that they "do murders because they're not getting attention". That may factor into some part of the question, but there's no way it's a primary factor.


bluelion70

I know it’s not a right, but they certainly perceive it to be one that they’re entitled to. Ninety percent of these shooters turn out to be basement-dwelling incels who just can’t stand that other people in the world are actually happy. I’m totally comfortable standing by my statement.


stymieray

Because any idiot can have a gun. Period.


dragunmancer

They are legal and very available in America...they are very much less available in other countries of the world. There is no complicated causality to distinguish here. Do not over think this.


Olorin919

Other countries with strict laws on guns dont have this problem though. The problem isnt just access to guns its much more than that.


GreenAdvance

Care to provide an example?


Desolecontra

Mental health is a worldwide issue, and even in states with strict gun laws it’s a problem. Why?


wowguineapigs

Anywhere in the US that has strict gun laws doesn’t even do anything because you can drive 1 state over to get it. NYC subway guy bought his in Wisconsin even though he had a long criminal record. It’s gotta be more states.


RuPaulver

Not saying it's the sole reason, but mental health in America is probably in a worse spot than a lot of other developed countries with our constant economic anxieties, and probably a myriad of other things like intolerance and our culture of individualism.


MayorOfSmurftown

Mental health isn't the problem. People like to blame all mass shootings on some vague diagnosis of "mental illness", when the reality is most mass shooters aren't mentally unsound. They're just hateful bitter people.


SageEquallingHeaven

I'd consider that mental unsoundness though. Our society is fragmented and people are just in their bubbles with their demons. There are a lot of factors at play here and no obvious fix.


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This. So many people ignore this and skip riiiiiiiight to mental illness being the sole factor, especially with racially or religiously charged shootings. Bigots don't think they need therapy, and won't seek it. In their mind they are already justified.


Apprehensive-Pen-531

I do think it’s a mental illness to want to shoot children, but not in a way where you can’t be held accountable for it.


Desolecontra

That’s not disagreeing with my comment at all


GreenAdvance

No US states have strict gun laws. All attempts to do so have been blocked as unconstitutional. Even if they did that doesn't solve the issue unless all states had strict laws due to cross border sales.


ComteDuChagrin

> Mental health is a worldwide issue, and even in states with strict gun laws it’s a problem. You're moving the goal posts in one sentence. Yes, mental health issues are worldwide, but the enormous scale of gun related homicide and suicide is something that happens only in the US. Even the 'strict' gun laws in some states are still extremely lax compared to the rest of the 'civilized western' world.


Desolecontra

Fair enough


westondeboer

It is easier to buy a gun than to buy a car.


HungryLikeTheWolf99

No. Not if you control for price.


westondeboer

Can you explain further?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

If you were buying a $35k gun that involved financing, insurance, etc., it would be just as complicated as a car. And frankly, almost all guns that cost as much as a car are going to involve a federal tax stamp, and let me tell you, that's a hell of a lot more difficult than buying a car. People are waiting over a year for those to be processed right now, and that's after the fingerprinting and background checks and passport photos and etc. Conversely, if you wanted to buy a car that you had no intention of driving on the road (comparable to maybe concealed carry) which cost $500, you could do that instantly in cash between friends.


westondeboer

Which one do you need a license for?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Depends what you want to do with it. Is it going to stay at your house? Then neither.


westondeboer

Ahh yes, so it is much easier to get a gun without a license. Thanks!


HungryLikeTheWolf99

No - people drive around in cars without licenses all the time. I have the feeling that no matter what information is presented to you, your conclusion will be the same. So let's not bother.


westondeboer

Yup, the mental gymnastics that you are using trying to compare buying a car to buying a gun is amazing. Your comparisons don't work. Thanks again!


deepbluesteve

My boss brought it up and said its a mental health problem, and then went on to explain that the lockdowns will kill more people in the long run from lasting damage than it would have killed people in COVID infections. I need a new job.


queensmichele

More guns than people


JuneBuffoon

While America does have a problem, don’t let the media fool you. There are still countries that kill gays, kill citizens with different views. Kill for power. Kill for being on their turf. Third world countries have many more killings. Poor people and countries just barely get reported. Media does have an agenda.


NorthImpossible8906

One notes how your response is: *"maybe the USA isn't as bad as some 3rd world countries, maybe. I don't know, but I like to hope that there is at least a few countries worse than this one"*


Woodcharles

I mean, is that all you have? "Yeah but at least we're not the Taliban"? "We're almost better than a third world country"?


theoptionexplicit

what about...


JuneBuffoon

When the President spoke after the shooting, he could say things to help unite this divided country. But they are taking every opportunity to politicize everything anymore. I’m not picking sides. Both sides do it. I’m over politics. Wish people would unite again and make the changes since those we elect don’t do a damn thing


LlamaLoupe

It is politics. Everything that can be impacted by policies is politics. "I'm over politics" doesn't mean anything and if this issue is ever to be resolved it's gonna be through politics, there's no one "politicizing" it, it's already there. What do you even want the president to say exactly that would unite the country? "Thoughts and prayers"? That's gonna help.


ValvanHNW

Okay but we're not talking about those countries, stop trying to move the discussion away from the actual topic


Myslinky

Let's not fix stuff because things are worse elsewhere, that makes total sense


AdmiralAkbar1

It might be cliche to say "societal rot," but I can't really think of a better term for it. Traditional structures that would've provided purpose and fulfillment, or at least camaraderie and day-to-day happiness, are falling by the wayside. Those that remain are largely being replaced by digital facsimiles. Goals that were easily achievable by past generations—steady employment, housing, families—now seem economically unviable for many, forcing people to feel like they have to choose between self-actualization and financial security, and even the latter's not guaranteed. As a result, you get more and more people who are feeling isolated, disillusioned, and ultimately hopeless for their future. There's nobody for them to turn to during their hardships, and more importantly, nobody who could notice if something's wrong. It's easy for someone to get caught in a downward spiral, or get egged on by total lunatics into doing something dangerous.


BurnedOutStars

ease of access to firearms, lack of strong mental health care, the culture of guns being seen as a bastion of protection instead of what it actually is: errantly just letting whoever buy guns and hope for the best (which leads me to the next one), using "thoughts and prayers" as the lazy-mans answer that does literally nothing as opposed to enacting legislation that matters. Republican "news" sources, be they on TV or online, articles or videos also constantly hype up how "tough" Republican voters are and so the ***advertisers*** bank on the perception of "strength, power, no one will fuck with you and you can be the hero that saves the day" to ***force***, through conservative voters: the 2nd amendment never being challenged or altered in any possible way. Most of those dumb shit fucks have this absolutely lunatic-level thought process OF: "All they need is good guys with the gun. Afterall *I'm* a good guy with the gun! I can save the day every single time there's a school shooting or a mass public shooting at a mall because I foolishly believe there are SO many good-guys-with-the-gun that if you simply let EVERYONE have a gun without anything getting in the way; the bad guys won't even make it out their door!". They have a serious problem with delusional fantasies that are BEYOND narcissistic and actually dangerous. They seem to think every single person is John Rambo and where if you JUST let ALL the teachers have firearms, then never in a million years will those firearms mistakenly get discharged, they won't ever be mistreated and no one is going to just take one and do what the "bad guys" do" and they will save every child, every single time". I don't get it. I just don't understand how those people can be THAT fucking stupid for SO long.


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Woodcharles

Being able to buy a military-grade assault rifle at the supermarket probably helps.


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Haha military grade assault rifles. Could you please define that for everyone to show your ignorance


SundaColugoToffee

false narrative: The US is 11th in mass shootings. As to why they happen here at all: We ignore mental health, we ignore societal pressures, no one is to blame for their actions, it's all the fault of the inanimate object.


Desolecontra

Thank you. TIL


Kaosticos

That really depends on who you ask and how you compile the statistics: ​ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/


SundaColugoToffee

Depends more on the predetermined narrative you want to push. Snopes ia a left biased organization and can’t be relied on any more than you could rely on Fox News for unbiased reporting. Comparing a population of 350 million people to one of 5 million and then saying “oh look they have more shootings” is a bit absurd. When you look per capita, comparing equal populations sizes there is no doubt america is in 11 th place. If you look as mass murders including all forms instead of just guns you find the US drops way WAY down the list.


Kaosticos

Since it's clear you didn't read the article, this is from (and the analysis for the statistics you are basing your argument on only cover 2009-2015, so we are all working with old and very complete data): https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country ​ "According to the snopes analysis, one of those inappropriate methods was the leaving out of the many European countries that had not experienced a single mass shooting between 2009-2015. This data would not have changed the position of the U.S. on the list, but its absence could lead a reader to believe—incorrectly—that the U.S. experienced fewer mass shooting fatalities per capita than all but a handful of countries in Europe. A more important oversight, again according to snopes, was the report's use of average deaths per capita instead of a more stable metric. Thanks to the smaller populations of most European countries, individual events in those countries had statistically oversized influence and warped the results. For example, Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. An easy, though arguably insensitive, way to illustrate the shortcomings of this approach is to imagine it applied to the 9/11 attacks, which killed 2,977 people in the United States on a single day in 2001. Running that data through the CRPC formula yields the following statistic: Plane hijackings by terrorists caused an average of 297.7 deaths per year in the U.S. from 2001-2010. This is mathematically accurate, but it paints a badly distorted picture of what actually happened during those ten years. In addition, the CRPC study went a step further and computed average annual deaths per capita. Critics argue this further warps the data, because Norway’s population is a fraction of the U.S. population. As a result, Norway’s death rate came out more than 20 times higher than that of the U.S.—which tallied 66 deaths in 2012 alone (nearly matching Norway's total for the full study) and averaged at least one death per month for the entire seven-year data set. A possible better alternative to the CPRC mass shooter report The snopes analysis goes on to suggest that instead of computing the average, or mean mass shooting deaths, a better method would be to compute the median, or typical, number of deaths. The median is considered by many statisticians to be better at preventing individual outlier events (such as the Norway massacre) from skewing results, which leads to a more accurate day-to-day impression and country-to-country comparison. Using the CPRC’s own data and more precise per-year population data from World Bank (the original study used only 2015 population data) to solve for the median, the snopes analysis results in a notably different list: Typical (Median) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015): United States — 0.058 Albania — 0 Austria — 0 Belgium — 0 Czech Republic — 0 Finland — 0 France — 0 Germany — 0 Italy — 0 Macedonia — 0 Netherlands — 0 Norway — 0 Russia — 0 Serbia — 0 Slovakia — 0 Switzerland — 0 United Kingdom — 0 *Using the median analysis, the United States is the only country examined that shows a propensity for mass shootings. The data itself supports this interpretation, as the United States endured mass shooting events all seven years, but the other countries all experienced mass shootings during only one or two years. Thus, in a typical year, most countries experience zero mass shooting deaths, while the US experiences at least a few."*


Rxton

Too much media exposure.


Desolecontra

Yep. I think they’re getting better about that though


Rxton

Really? It looked like a circus to me.


[deleted]

it's just sad


Sbitan89

Because we are a country larger than the entirety of the EU.


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Terrible_Ground_1904

Idk what u mean larger, EU has 447 million people.


Sbitan89

Yes poor wording. I'm just saying as a whole the EU and the US aren't comparable. I haven't checked recently, wasn't aware they added so many people/countries have been added since its creation.


Terrible_Ground_1904

Though to be fair the US is twice as big in land size, but I don't think it's too relevant.


Psychomadeye

Actually that is also an issue. The twitter thread about 30-50 feral hogs, while hilarious, is a legit hazard in certain parts of the country. Some of those people sort of do need firearms to protect their crops, as there isn't exactly a local police department, and chances are good the pigs will have finished eating the field before any help would ever arrive. There's drastically less need for firearms in big cities, but while school shootings happen more often in bigger cities, it's not the same thing as these mass shootings (usually one or two people wounded one or none killed) out in sandy hook, parkland, and now texas (where there are tens of victims) of small towns and suburbia. Those people sit somewhere in the middle. Many states have large areas of wild forest and I grew up with several people in my hometown who hunt (most of them through the use of bow and arrow but others do use rifles). These mass shootings make the news, but our real issue with gun violence isn't mass shootings as much as it is individual murders, often in domestic situations, or criminal activity. The argument from the right is that you could pass legislation to prevent these mass shootings, and it \*will\* work. But what they believe is that most of the death is gang violence and other crime, and that those guns being in those situations are an inevitability. They like to ignore the legally obtained firearms used in domestic violence situations even though those probably account for most of it. Their big talking point is that it will simply "take the weapons away from law abiding citizens, and that criminals will still get guns" leaving the hog hunters in the lurch.


bluelion70

Empty land is very relevant in the US. That’s why we give it greater voting power than actual citizens.


theoptionexplicit

No we're not. Not by land mass or population.


HungryLikeTheWolf99

We are by land mass. Russia is not in the EU, FYI.


theoptionexplicit

ok fine. how does land mass factor into your theory of why public mass shooting only happen this much in America?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

People spread out across larger areas have a different kind of society than people in high population densities. If you wonder whether this is true, ask yourself whether the urban-rural divide is a relevant political divide in modern America.


theoptionexplicit

European countries speak entirely different languages from each other. They've been in multiple wars with each other historically. Their borders have changed drastically over time. Their cultures are unique and distinct. Yet somehow don't shoot children like we do. Because they put their differences aside.


bluelion70

Shhhh, you might undermine their argument!


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Again you have intentionally missed the point. Which EU country has a population density similar to Texas? How about similar to the US as a whole?


theoptionexplicit

I didn't intentionally miss the point. I'm actually trying to let you off easy. You're talking about differences between cultures yeah? I'm trying to tell you that differences in culture in the EU don't seem to make a difference. Now you're saying that differences in culture based SPECIFICALLY on an urban/rural divide lead to mass murder. What is so special about urban/rural cultural differences that lead to mass murder as opposed to other roots of cultural differences?


HungryLikeTheWolf99

You've intentionally missed the point again. The point is not *how different* the cultures are, as if there were some kind of metric for amount of difference. The point is in *what ways*, qualitatively, they are different. I'm still waiting for you to tell me which EU nation (and I will accept the UK as well) has a comparable population density.


theoptionexplicit

I'm not intentionally missing the point. I'm getting your point, I'm choosing to reply tangentially. There's a difference. And if you want this conversation to continue only if I answer a trivia question, I'm not into those games. Learn some rhetoric.


Sbitan89

People tend to only focus on Laws, not demographics in relation to homogeneous society, population density etc. In fact they seem to hate even thinking about it since I was down voted for it despite agreeing to further gun regulations.


westondeboer

Let me google that for you https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+the+EU&oq=population+of+the+EU


HungryLikeTheWolf99

Wait wait. You said both land mass and population. I said no, not land mass. Then you "Googled for me" population, despite me agreeing that 447mil>335mil or whatever the precise numbers are.


NorthImpossible8906

Great point! How many school shootings have there been in the EU? Hint, I think the answer is 2 ever. Shithole country has had 22 this year. I googled, so let me add #**since 2009, USA has had 288. EU had 3.**


DormeDwayne

Larger? The EU has a larger population (450mio). The USA has a larger area… but why is that significant in this regard?


westondeboer

nope.


theantdog

Violent video games, godlessness, pre marital sex, profanity in music, ................ /s


PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls

There have been 25 mass shootings in the last two weeks. We've had 213 so far in 2022 as of May 24th.


T41EF

Walmart sells firearms over the counter. What else do you need to know?


Elden_Doll

If I need a therapist, I honestly don't even know where to start looking. If I need a gun, it's across from the food aisle at Walmart. It's not just that guns are easily accessible (legally and illegally), it's also that any kind of help is hard to find. Not just that though, due to this happening so often in recent years, "mass shootings" has now become a popular option for psychos. It's been normalized in the minds of many Americans.


westondeboer

I Know you are probably not looking for a therapist at the moment. But for others out there, https://www.betterhelp.com/ is a good start. Also, your health care provider probably provides a similar service. \ Sorry to hijack your comment.


todd1art

2nd Amendment has been a disaster. Easy access to guns is the cause. Republicans love guns more than human life. No matter how many people are murdered Republicans will support the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't matter to them if a million children die. They want their guns. It's sick


Backwoods-Babe

idk will this question ever get old


azovbuttalion

like the kids it won't


dragunmancer

I don't know will public mass shootings ever get old too you? Or have you just accept it as normal like all the other gun toting sheep? username checks out for backwoods and backwards thinking.


leatherwolf89

Good parenting has been going downhill lately.


Pollux95630

Mental health and terrible parenting.


dragunmancer

Sure...why not give everyone Xanax...that'll make everything ok and make everyone bulletproof...problem solved!! genius Conservative rhetoric right here. Put blame on everything else except for guns, gun culture and gun laws


FondleMyPlumsPlease

A gun is a tool. It’s like an individual opting to drive while under the influence of alcohol, do you blame the car or the driver who is operating the vehicle? Be realistic. Edit: why post a comment & block me before I can reply? Seems childish u/Erebonn


RecklessVasectomy

In what way is a gun like a car?


FondleMyPlumsPlease

Hypothetically, let’s set a gun right beside a stationary unoccupied car & watch them. Which do you think will kill someone first? >genius Conservative rhetoric right here. Put blame on everything else except for guns This comment I respond to is painfully ironic & they don’t realise it, they place blame on the gun rather than the operator. An individual can use a gun, car, stick, water, etc as a weapon or irresponsibly resulting in injury or death, yet none of the above receive as much blame as a gun.


bluelion70

Because the rest of those items don’t exist for the sole purpose of killing another person. That is literally what firearms were invented for.


RecklessVasectomy

exactly. although i suppose you could fairly compare a gun to a car which is specifically designed to run people over.


bluelion70

Automobiles were originally!designed to move people from one place to another more quickly and more cheaply than horses or trains. Firearms were originally designed to make killing humans more efficient.


Psychomadeye

A killing tool, also known as a \*weapon\*.


GreenAdvance

Guns per capita as well as lack of regulation on what guns are allowed and who can buy them.


mayathealternative

You can literally buy a gun from everywhere lol


0wl_noises8

Not sure .yes hi my name is Not Sure


godleymama

Love that movie, although we seem to be becoming a society like that too soon!!


Terrible_Ground_1904

Numbness to hateful and bitter elements in the society.


bluelion70

Well what’s the one major factor that makes America different from the rest of the civilized world? I wonder…


slo1111

Because it is very easy to pop out a 100 rounds and when have this many people there will always be those who find a way to self talk themselves into it.


WEEEBBER9999

Because they are advised so much... Careful of finger pointing, remember the old saying.


CharlieTheChoo_Choo

More Americans, especially kids take more psychotropic drugs than any other person on the planet, by a large margin. Big pharma at it again