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Namjoon-

Bible says nothing about it Many church’s use things like masturbation as spiritual weapons to manipulate their followers. Nothing to do with Christianity itself but what it can become when in the wrong hands Plus, we can’t ignore the massive benefits to health and well-being that masturbation provides and I think God would want us to experience those benefits!


Seraphenigma

Only with the lights off and “Kiss From A Rose” by Seal playing


detective_kiara

I love it! It's helped stopped me from going out and having casual sex.


seth_dlewis

Oooo self burn


detective_kiara

Why is that?


grimmstories628

Basically you said you can't get none. Not taking into account you are probably abstaining


marnanel

nah, they said they *would* be going out and having casual sex *if* they weren't masturbating. So they can get some if they want!


detective_kiara

Exactly, thank you.


cazzodrago

I attended seminary for high school and someone every year asked about it. The priests were pretty ambivalent to the whole thing. They said it was a persons business and no one else. I know there will be plenty of jokes about priests and all. We were never taught that it was evil or wrong or against the Bible. In fact, there is no passage against it in the Bible. So…if your a Christian, and follow the Bible, then why not Jack it, Jill it, bop it, or finger it.


haemaker

> seminary tee hee.


MeanGull

Semenary


DickieGreenleaf84

It's a good way to release the pressure. And you could make the argument that it helps you lust less. I mean I know for me I'm more likely to look at a woman as a sexual object if my body is in desperate need of a sexual object.


NarrowAd8575

I used to have a religious ex that would literally try to turn me off whenever I was horny. In person and over text. I hated it.


nWo1997

I'm for it. Apparently the history of Christian views on masturbation [is a whole thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_masturbation#Christianity) with different interpretations claiming lineages or professing the lack thereof to certain early Church time periods. To me, the idea that masturbation would be sinful because it is "spilling seed" is an odd one. Yes, sperm is a necessary component of reproduction, but the idea that it's wrong to not aim for pregnancy with every, uh, spurt because life exists in it doesn't make sense now that we know more about biology. A buttload (if you're lucky) of sperm exist in ejaculate, and when reproduction goes right the number of sperm that survive and merge with the egg is typically 1. And even then, that's only when things go right reproduction-wise; plenty of couples have sex for reproduction (that is, "*trying*") and fail through no fault of their own. So the idea of "wasting life" here makes little sense, mathematically speaking. Looking the other way, there usually is not a lament of a similar loss from unfertilized egg cells. That is to say, people (generally) don't cry about wasting life whenever a woman has a period. Both being the main necessary components for conception, their moral values should be similar. Even looking at the idea some have that "life begins at conception," the issue here comes *before* conception. That is, before life begins. Outside of specific circumstances, it wouldn't seem to have an effect on life. As to [Onan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan) (Genesis 38), whose story is sometimes used as a condemnation against "spilling seed," there was *a lot* going on there. I go into more detail about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/qjctth/whats_the_most_annoying_religious_belief/hiq59in/), but from what I've read, Onan had 3 other big issues. The big bit of background is this: Onan's brother, Er, had died married but childless. Often in this situation, a relative of the deceased would be obligated to try to produce an offspring with the widow. The resulting spawn would pass in the name of the deceased (that is, Onan's kid would be considered Er's). 1. Onan was then given the divine order to impregnate Er's widow, Tamar (which was the style at the time). He disobeyed this. That one's easy. 2. A sister-in-law was explicitly off-limits for boinking *except for this very purpose*. By pulling out, Onan disqualified himself from the exception, but still enjoyed Tamar. 3. Onan may have had financial incentive to do this as well. His and Er's father, Judah, was still alive, and the way that inheritance worked was that when Judah died Er (the firstborn son) would inherit that good shit. If Er was dead, then it would go not to Onan or their sisters, but to Er's firstborn son. If Er had none, then it would go to Onan. *Now remember that Onan and Tamar's child would be considered to be Er's child, so it, not Onan, would get the good bit of inheritance.* By pulling out, Onan could've been securing his own inheritance. I'll end this by saying that **I am not a Biblical scholar, I'm just a Christian with an Internet connection who hears many things and tries to read the Bible.** That said, don't overdo it. **TL;DR**: Rub-a-dub-dub


Assassin_Dragon_

Is it still "spilling seed" if I'm a woman? Bc I am...


nWo1997

It shouldn't be


Assassin_Dragon_

Okay 👍


Jugales

We all sin, do what you want and ask for forgiveness. Jesus died so we can fap.


marnanel

It doesn't work that way. Forgiveness requires repentance. If you're not planning to do your best to stop, you haven't repented and you're not forgiven. (Fortunately, it isn't a sin.)


emmjaybeeyoukay

Why are you only interested in the opinions of people called Christian?


Assassin_Dragon_

This got me more than it should ngl


SafeStarvo

It feels good


redwitchbewbs

It’s fine alone. Don’t let the priest see though.


BorderlineBarbieUwU

i'm pretty sure god doesn't care about how much i jack off


marnanel

Ultimately, like anything else not concerning other people, it's between you and God to decide. Christians have four ways to figure out whether something is OK: * **The Bible:** that's easy enough here: the Bible doesn't mention it at all, so we can't say one way or the other. Though it does seem very odd that among all the discussion of sexual sins, the most common sexual behaviour is not mentioned at all. * **Tradition** (what the church has historically said was OK): At least in modern times, many churches have said masturbation is sinful. (They do make mistakes, but it's worth taking it into consideration.) And likewise your own priest or pastor might have an opinion. (They make mistakes too.) Also, there are a lot of people giving a lot of advice about whether sexual fantasy is sinful, who pretend they're talking about masturbation. Remember that the two are not the same. * **Reasoning**: here we're on surer ground. All medical evidence is that masturbation is harmless. * **Inspiration**: in other words, God might have something to say to you particularly. This is important, but there's a large risk that you're mistaking your conscience for the voice of God, and your conscience is an unreliable guide. In an effort to be a better person, it's easy to convince yourself harmless things are sinful: it means you can look at the effort you put into stopping them and tell yourself you were working towards holiness. Even if someone concludes that masturbation is not OK, they should remember that “most difficult to stop” doesn't mean “most important to stop”. Plenty of people worry about this as if it's their predominant issue, and that will stop you noticing whether your life is godly in many more important ways.


TheyCallMeDrAsshole

Jizzus Christ


FreezyChan

*grabs popcorn*


seth_dlewis

*grabs gallon of pepsi*


D1789

My names not Christian so I know you’re not interested in my response, but for anyone else who is interested in my opinion: It goooooooood.


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Assassin_Dragon_

I'm female but sure.


Chairchucker

Sure, if you can do it without lusting after someone else.


Assassin_Dragon_

I'm female so honestly, not that hard


[deleted]

Hey... you can't find redemption if you haven't sinned.


Assassin_Dragon_

Oh lord


trailblaiser

You do you, none of my business. And I don’t think God really cares a ton either. Just don’t do it near me plz unless I’ve given consent.


Assassin_Dragon_

Understood


marnanel

> You do you Yeah, that's how it works


[deleted]

The Bible condemns lust. If you can masturbate without porn or fantasizing that would probably be best, but I think it’s a grey area.


Assassin_Dragon_

Somehow can


marnanel

Me too, but I'm asexual. Are you?


Assassin_Dragon_

Aromantic


marnanel

I think it makes a difference. I was always puzzled by preachers condemning masturbation using arguments about sexual fantasy, until I learned it doesn't work like that for most people. (Which means asexuals and aromantics have been given a special gift, I suppose.)


Assassin_Dragon_

Yeah, alot of people don't seem to ever understand that different things effect different people differently. For example I have pretty severe ADHD, my dad refuses to except that just because he made it doesn't mean that I can't just say "focus" and suddenly I'm a workaholic. To show the difference in severity, he's only hyperfocused (a common sign of ADHD or ADD) for 30mins to an hour, I have hyperfocused for 7hrs before and average 1 hr to 4.


marnanel

Adrian Plass says "everyone is I", and I see it more and more wherever I go. Everyone assumes everyone else works the way they do. It causes so much strife!


Assassin_Dragon_

Fr


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yo asexual people don’t jack off


marnanel

[Not true.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201702/do-asexuals-have-sexual-fantasies-and-do-they-masturbate) Asexuality means you're not sexually attracted. It doesn't mean you don't have sexual feelings. It doesn't even mean you never have sex.


[deleted]

That makes 0 sense


marnanel

That's an opportunity for you to learn, then.