How do we fix USA gun violence problem?
By - cryosyske
We can own guns in every country in Europe, and while the process and regulations vary depending on the country, some of the safest countries we have are not that far off when it comes to accessability of firearms compared to the US.
What we generally have though is cheaper and more accessible health care, cheaper higher education, legally mandated paid vacation, better welfare in general, and so on.
Maybe start there.
There isn’t a crisis of guns. The bigger crisis is healthcare. The amount of people dying from health related issues far outweigh the number of deaths by guns.
>The amount of people dying from health related issues far outweigh the number of deaths by guns.
That's true literally everywhere - even in most dangerous countries in world
More than half of the so called gun violence acts are from people killing themselves with firearms. If you don’t think healthcare is an issue then something is wrong with you
>More than half of the so called gun violence acts are from people killing themselves with firearms.
It's about 2/3 if I recall correctly. But I didn't want to make the thread about that. Colloquially term "gun violence" means only homicides, which why I used it
If I wanted to make thread about biggest causes of death, I would have made it about heart diseases and cancer
Well then I stand by my answer, there really isn’t anything to do. The homicides are too low to consider it a problem in my opinion. The people who commit crimes are usually caught anyway. But let’s say we did make strict gun laws like Japan has. Even then criminals will just find other ways to commit crimes aka using knives.
By fixing the mental health crisis. Too many don't get help or the help they need. Can you honestly say someone in good mental health would shoot someone? (Other than self defense or defense or others)
Exactly. Every time this question comes up this is the correct answer. Guns have been part of America forever, its the mental health problems, lack of awareness, or resources that's the real problem.
> It’s a minority of cases. This article references multiple studies. Here’s a relevant excerpt:
> “With respect to mass violence, Skeem and Mulvey (2020) concluded in their review that approximately 20 percent of mass violence is committed by a person with a mental health disorder. As with their examination of suicides, the authors also cautioned about biases inherent in making diagnoses after the event and the tautological quality of such diagnoses. In Skeem and Mulvey’s words, such diagnoses have a circular quality: “‘Why did this man do this terrible thing?’ Because he is mentally ill. ‘And how do you know he is mentally ill?’ Because he did this terrible thing” (Skeem and Mulvey, 2020, p. 86). Also similar to suicide, mass violence is a relatively rare event, so it is challenging to conduct rigorous, fully powered studies to identify risk factors (see Mass Shootings in the United States and Smart et al., 2020). Skeem and Mulvey (2020, p. 92) describe that, “In studies that define mental illness expansively and include untrained ‘diagnoses’ made in the wake of the rampage …, estimates of the proportion of mass shooters with confirmed or suspected mental health problems” ranged from 30 to 60 percent; in contrast, in studies that focused on formal diagnoses (e.g., from a health care provider), post-event diagnoses of a mental illness ranged from 13 to 15 percent.”
It’s a minority of cases. This article references multiple studies. Here’s a relevant excerpt:
“With respect to mass violence, Skeem and Mulvey (2020) concluded in their review that approximately 20 percent of mass violence is committed by a person with a mental health disorder. As with their examination of suicides, the authors also cautioned about biases inherent in making diagnoses after the event and the tautological quality of such diagnoses. In Skeem and Mulvey’s words, such diagnoses have a circular quality: “‘Why did this man do this terrible thing?’ Because he is mentally ill. ‘And how do you know he is mentally ill?’ Because he did this terrible thing” (Skeem and Mulvey, 2020, p. 86). Also similar to suicide, mass violence is a relatively rare event, so it is challenging to conduct rigorous, fully powered studies to identify risk factors (see Mass Shootings in the United States and Smart et al., 2020). Skeem and Mulvey (2020, p. 92) describe that, “In studies that define mental illness expansively and include untrained ‘diagnoses’ made in the wake of the rampage …, estimates of the proportion of mass shooters with confirmed or suspected mental health problems” ranged from 30 to 60 percent; in contrast, in studies that focused on formal diagnoses (e.g., from a health care provider), post-event diagnoses of a mental illness ranged from 13 to 15 percent.”
Shhhhm it goes against the Reddit narrative that guns are good and it's all the fault of lone madmen.
Probably not with more guns.
Do you want a list of feelgood platitudes or a real but more uncomfortable answer?
1. Recognize that it's not a "gun violence" problem. It's a "violent crime" problem. Guns don't cause someone to commit violent crimes.
2. Deal with the underlying causes of violent crime. Opportunity inequality, the failed drug war, ...
I've got it!
Give everyone more guns, so they shoot all the preexisting guns.
Bring back all the mental health clinics and get sick people treatment.
I honestly don't know what it would take for Americans as a collective to give up their guns, and I think that's the only real way it could work. Australia did it after Port Arthur, but every time there's something awful that happens people on either side just seem to bicker until everyone forgets and it goes away...until the next massacre...
If everyone has access to weapons, the crazies have access to weapons.
Australia did not ban guns entirely, it tightened the restrictions quite a bit, sure, but there are now more guns than before Port Arthur.
Well, the people with guns are not gonna give them up without a fight soo.. more guns.
The second that the daily mass shootings become daily political shootings gun reform will occur on a huge level.
make them less accessible, mandatory psych evaluations, probably restrict the amount of guns one can own.. maybe a start?
> mandatory psych evaluations
It's a bad idea to placing someone's rights at the whim of a subjective assessment, vulnerable to the evaluator's bias(es)
> probably restrict the amount of guns one can own..
Why? How do you think this would actually help?
> maybe a start?
just an idea buddy settle down.
You proposed it as part of a "start". Just like it's been proposed MANY times before.
an ideal start, still an idea lol
Not ideal. Not a good idea.
your opinion now suck a lemon
It's sad really, when someone has exhausted all their arguments and they resort to childish attempts to insult.
have a cry. when you aren't opening yourself up to discuss this like an adult and clearly attacking for no reason what did you expect? it's an idea - a suggestion. nothing more than that.
>you aren't opening yourself up to discuss this like an adult
> suck a lemon
Ironic, isn't it.
a family doesn't need 30 guns in their home nor does ANYONE need an assault rifle...
So what. You know it's the Bill of Rights, not a bill of needs.
One of the fundamental attributes of a right is that one is not required to articulate a need in order to exercise a right.
why are you so triggered lmao it is an idea no one is trying to change anything settle the fuck down bro
I'm not "triggered " no matter how much you try to use that as a means to dismiss my statement.
You presented this "idea" as a suggestion of what to change.
Saying "no one is trying to change anything" is blatantly false.
Just playing Devil’s advocate here… how many guns would you restrict it down to? Different guns have different purposes.
How will the psychiatrists be held accountable for their conclusions? I’m sure 99.9% of psychologists/psychiatrists are being honest. What is to stop someone from accidentally or intentionally misconstruing a single word choice or pause? If a psychologist is hell bent anti-gun, they could see this as their free pass to implement their own gun control.
It's nearly impossible to get even one gun in Chicago yet they have shootings almost every second. It's almost like guns aren't the problem. People are the problem. If it wasn't guns, they'd resort to knives or other weapons which would be just as deadly if not more deadly
When it comes to America, I think you are right.
Yeah i think the problem is vastly different in other countries but here it's portrayed as the fault of guns but it's obviously not. What needs to be done is eliminate single motherhood, make mental healthcare more accessible to everyone, increase access to education and higher education, and strengthen the nuclear family.
I'd love to see why you think the single motherhood or nuclear family stuff makes a difference. I've seen no evidence that it does.
The majority of people in prison come from single parent households. The majority of single parent households are single mothers. Nobody can raise and maintain a child by themselves, no matter the amount of money you throw at the problem. You need two people to raise and maintain a child. That's a fact
It's been shown time and again that that is because single-parent households are unjustly over-represented in poverty statistics, though. Or are you blaming their poverty on being single-parent households?
Their poverty is definitely caused by it being a single parent household. That's not any accusation or malign insult. It's just a fact.
Wanna give me a source on that fact?
The most dangerous areas have the highest restrictions.
People in general are too wound up right now.
Seems largely driven by gangs. I'd humbly suggest focusing on fixing the root causes.
Plenty of facets but that is a huge one imho.
Destroy the USA
The most logical solution.
You can't. The nation is saturated with guns: there are more guns than people. So even if you would strictly regulate it, it would take a very long time to take effect. Not in the least you would need a dramatic change in point of view regarding guns. That will not happen any time soon as Americans rather have their loved ones killed in shootings than seriously restrict the use of guns and their attachment for the second amendment.
use slingshots like chads
Make mental health services more of a priority. That’s what it all boils down to.
If we lower poverty as much as we can and crack down on real violent crime, gun violence would go down.
Gun control isn't making a dent and its basically just a punishment on the entire population
It’s the guns, stupid
“Conclusions: ... states with higher levels of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.”
Yeah....that explains why there are more guns in TN than IL yet Chicago outpaces TN in gun violence....*rolls eyes.
The truth is states with less restrictive gun laws have less violent crime.
Guns in IL - 150,212
Guns in TN - 132,471
Do you honestly think in TN everyone is registering their guns? I live in TN and can tell you for a fact that many people have unregistered guns
Even then, my point still stands.
Do you think everyone in IL is registering their guns?
Your point clearly doesn't stand...
You are more likely to have people in IL register than TN.
That sounds an awful lot like an assumption....
Let me try;
You are more likely to have people in TN register than IL.
Tautologies always taint the "statistics" they represent.
Real guns = cringe
Fix their fear problem. No country is so full of cowards as America is. I think it's the toxic cowboy mystique they all love.
Well aren't you ignorant....getting a gun in Australia isn't that difficult for a civilian. Most of us simply don't want them.
> Fix their fear problem. No country is so full of cowards as America is.
You clearly do not understand the issue. You think it's about fear. It is not.
It so is. The only country I've see so scared of each other worse than America is Rwanda.
How are you measuring "fear"? What's your source?
Pick up an American newspaper. Look at your "self defence" cases. Look at the rampant racism that isn't in any way minor. Look at the fact that Americans talk about "what weapon I keep nearby for intruders". Only the most paranoid Australian even considers that shit.
IOW: No credible metric or source. It's your opinion and personal assessment based on sensationalized and biased news sources.
Destroy the constitution
So you want slavery back? And you want the government to control what you can and can't believe, think or say? Because that's in the constitution.
I couldn’t give a shit I’m not American . They all use the excuse that owning guns is in the constitution
Because owning guns is in the constitution and guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.
Yeah stupid Americans are the problem because they’re too stubborn to admit there’s no need to have guns. Laughing stock of the world
Lmao sure. I'm guessing you're British? Y'all are just still salty about losing 1776.
Yeah salty about living in a safe country with a stable economy that’s not full of halfwit racists. Sure buddy🤣
Lmao "safe" country y'all have mass stabbings... Wow at least it's not as scawy guns...
Stabbings are rare and localised to major cities. Of course being American “Britain” is only London to you lot so therefore the whole country is full of mass stabbings. Our children can safely go to school without risk of a psycho kid showing up with an M16...
How about completely banning guns. You ignorant clowns should understand that they do more bad than good
Name 10 1st world countries that has completely banned guns. Hint: We have none of those in Europe, here you can own a firearm as a civilian in every nation (though it's more difficult and restricted in some than others).
People who want a gun with a criminal record need to provide a dick size with a female doctor.
Stop recording gun related deaths of course.
Wait until everyone who is currently too emotionally attached to the issue to have forgotten about it or died from old age and then approach it rationally.