Redditors who knew men caught on “To Catch a Predator” before the show, what were they like?
By - BreakupSimulatorLite
This will get buried at this point, but my friend dated someone who ended up disappearing, then we eventually found out he had been arrested for trying to sleep with an under age girl and having rope and guns in his trunk. It wasn't until a few weeks later that we even learned he was on the show. It just kept unraveling!
He had come to get drinks for one of my birthdays and to be honest he seemed completely normal. There was nothing that stood out to me as creepy or off. My friend was a WRECK after everything happened. She's a smart girl too and didn't expect anything like that AFAIK. I felt really bad for her.
Not on To Catch A Predator but I had a youth hockey coach who I always thought was a really nice guy. I was like 14 at the time but he’d always call me after games and give me tips and pointers, and I never found it weird. Just figured he was a good guy doing something for kids. He didn’t have any children though.
20 years later or so I see him at a rink. To my surprise, he remembers me! We talk for a half an hour. He asks me about my parents, I show him pictures of my family. He starts telling me about this girl that he coached since she was 10 on a girls hockey team who is now in college playing for a very good school. I’ll be honest. I didn’t think anything of it. Anyway, we go our separate ways but do exchange phone numbers. I go home and tell my wife that I saw my old hockey coach and I’d like to invite him over for a cookout. I figured I’d call him over the weekend.
Literally the very next day, he gets arrested for trying to meet up with a 13 year old girl in a chat room that was really the State Police.
I, uh, never invited him.
Didn't actually know the guy but.... One guy showed up to the sting in a company semi truck. It is blurred out in the episode but the company is Covenant Transport. I went to work for them a few years after the episode. During orientation they gave us a list of "things that will result in immediate termination. Things like "Driving under the influence, failing a drug screen, and impromptu meetings with Chris Hansen."
That’s good they had a sense of humor about it!
I went to school with Robb Kline. From what I can remember of him was that he was quiet and kept to himself. He never did anything to label himself a creep.
His excuse for showing up has to be one of the worst. Robb said he showed up to let the 13 year old girl know he wasn't going to be able to hang out after making the 2 hour drive there. He also throws his brother under the bus for the child porn that is on his computer.
I'm surprised none of them ever pulled the big brain move of yelling "It finally worked! Ive been trying so hard to get on your show. Huge fan."
“I know who you is, Chris Hansen! I likes ya and I wants ya!”
Now we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way, the chawse is yaws...
I’M A WARRIOR, CHRIS!
This might work if you never ask for pictures and keep it pg-13. Like no sex talk or dick pics. Even mention you'd love to meet Chris Handsome in the chat.
Oh I didn’t come here looking for no little boys, I came looking for mans butt
Oh I know who you are Chris Handsome.
Reminds me of Principal Skinner's excuse for being at a burlesque house: "I was only in there to get directions on how to get away from there."
Sex cauldron? I thought they closed that place down!
That’s the excuse like half of them gave, wasn’t it?
“I just drove here to tell her to be careful about who she talks to online.”
And you brought wine and condoms to do that?
I like to get drunk and jack off with condoms on sir.
Sir this bag is filled with axe body spray and dildos.
Ah, the ‘Prince Andrew Defence’
And maybe he cannot sweat either because he is so brave.
I’m pretty late to the game, but my husband worked with/good friends with one of the men on the first ever episode. We were all in our late 20s, he was a highly educated, well liked guy. He was nice, funny as hell. We were all shocked. He got busted trying to sleep with a 12 or 14 year old girl. He got a good lawyer and so the TCaP didn’t show the video of him getting busted, only a photo that he shared in the chat with who he thought was the young girl. We read the chat log between him and the “girl”, it was disgusting. He called my husband one time after the show aired to say that “this was the first time he did anything like this, and he got caught up in the taboo nature of it.” Never spoke to him again.
Edit: My husband and I realized after the air show aired in the Fall, that we saw E the day after he got busted (I believe it was August when he got busted). We accidentally ran into him, and got a drink to chat for a bit. When we parted I specifically remember asking my husband if he thought E was behaving strangely, E was SUPER jumpy, not like himself at all. It is strange to realize that E continued to work and hang out with my husband and our friends for the months between getting busted and the show going on air.
I’m a lawyer. I worked closely on a case with another lawyer who later was caught trying to have sex with an underage girl (who was really a cop). He was married and had kids and was the nicest guy. Very earnest and dedicated to the cause, trying to make the world a better place. There were zero signs he would do something like that. It was a shock when it came out. It really shows that it could be anyone who does this type of thing. There aren’t necessarily signs you would see that would tip you off that your co-worker or neighbor or acquaintance is interested in underage girls.
In schools when we do our training they tell us that most "successful" (ie get away with it) child molesters in schools are likable, outgoing, and put together people who others in the community like being around. Very rarely is it the anti-social loner because even if they are a pedophile no one trusts them enough from the outset for them to have opportunity to molest a kid and get away with it.
I was a jury member on the trial of a child predator and can report they also get away with it for decades while being slobby and socially incompetent too. In our case, confidence and/or lack of fear of being caught seemed to be the real secret. He just went for it and the children were so traumatised and manipulated no one was told, even though to an outsider his behaviour included a lot of red flags.
As someone who has been teaching for over 15 years, I’ve seen this one firsthand. I’ve learned to be very suspicious of popular teachers who fraternize (for lack of a better word) with students. I tend to be more casual with students myself, and seeing this play out has made me put a check on that aspect of my personality.
Voir dire in my experience was pretty awkward. Everybody in a big group has to talk about their weird life’s baggage in front of everyone else and answer personal questions. One journalist that was a prospective juror had something to tell the court privately and they had to dismiss us all from the room. Came back and the journalist was gone.
Oh my god they ate the journalist.
It's voir dire, not vore dire
edit: obligatory thank yous for awards.
Don't eat journalists...we need them to do their job...
Did someone say hors d'oeuvres? *licks lips*
Maybe a discussion involving a confidential informant of the journalist? I could see them taking measures to protect the privacy of people who weren't there.
It was a murder trial. My guess is they knew parties to the case (attys, LEOs, etc.), or knew more facts than a regular Joe, and didn’t want to disclose anything that might be prejudicial and ruin the whole jury pool. ?
i think this show had more to do with the demise of yahoo messenger than anything else
Yahoo got sued by someone who was caught in a sting like this. They were found to be complicit in the crime. I remember reading about it. They paid him a big settlement.
If you're good at something, never do it for free...?
I didn't know the guy before the show, but after. This was over a decade ago back in 2008 or 2009. I was on a dating website and was talking to a guy that claimed to be a doctor. I thought it was very unusual that this doctor (Maurice Wolin), had so much free time thruout the day to text me so frequently (texting back then was a bit time consuming with flip phones). Was also begging me to meet up with him and telling me he wanted to shower me with all these gifts. He seemed a bit arrogant and pompous to me, in the way he would brag about his wealth and cars.
I was getting suspicious of the guy and reverse searched his phone number. I found out he gave me a fake name, and after getting his real name, I saw all the articles online and saw the guy was on TCAP. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and asked him to send me a new selfie. Sure enough, it was definitely him. I ghosted him and blocked his number and reported his profile to Plenty of Fish and told them he was on TCAP. Just really glad I never met up with him. Be careful out there everyone!
YES! He went by "Marcos" on the site and used younger photos.
I used a Google voice number to communicate with my online dating matches.
A supervisor at my previous job got busted in a big sting at the end of last year, with a bunch of other dudes. He was kinda dumpy in appearance but thought he was hot shit. Both at the job and with the women. He wasn't. There were more than a few who transferred out of his area or specifically asked not to work directly with him. A couple of them said he just creeped them out and let his touch linger longer than was polite. He was just another shitbag to me. One of those guys that never did anything unless the boss was around, liked to be the one at the company meetings who told everyone to quiet down and listen up when it was already quiet.
I hate that shit, and it's almost always after they were the ones who were being rowdy. I've seen it too many times.
Rapey, extremely rapey. Was someone from my hometown in NY. Went to school with their younger sister. After he graduated high school, he did everything he could to hang out with much younger kids. Always wanted to buy booze for us or roll up a joint and smoke us out in his van. Never touched me but there were rumours of him molesting a 12 year old in sleep away camp.
I knew a dude like this. He lived on the same block as a friend. He was 21 and drove an old van. Hung out with a bunch of 14 - 16 year olds. Drove everyone around so they could drink and smoke. He ended up fooling around with a 14 year old. He was told by someone's dad that if he was seen hanging around with them again the cops would be called.
I knew the cop from (I think Florala) Alabama that was arrested on the show. He had guns and rope in his vehicle when he went to meet the girl. Super creepy stuff.
When he was a sheriff’s deputy in Florida, he would come into my job frequently. So, I didn’t know him on a personal level, but I did talk to him on a regular basis. He was a really nice, respectful guy; he seemed to be a good cop too.
I was SHOCKED when I saw the episode. You never really know what goes on in someone’s bedroom.
Here is part of the episode - https://youtu.be/83BoaCfp9EI
Oh my God this guy got no time, he obviously has done this before. He has a chainsaw ,tarp, rope and a boat anchor in his car with him.
Jesus fucking Christ that’s a serial killer kit if ever there was one.
I HAVE TO HAVE MY TOOLS
Fetish shit MY TOOLS
I LIKE TO *BIND* AND I LIKE TO *BE* BOUND
Glenn's line delivery in this scene was some of the best of the whole series hahaha
Check out the season bloopers, the whole gang fucking loses their shit repeatedly when he starts skitzing out at the tools being found. Real funny!
That and when they're playing CharDee MacDennis and Mac asks Charlie "Dennis is asshole why Charlie hate".
Dennis' face while waiting for Charlie to pass fucking kills me
........... BECAUSE DENNIS IS A BASTARD-MAN!
I DEFINITELY WROTE THAT!!!!!
Tools! Tools! Duct tape, zip ties and gloves! I have to have my tools!
I like to *BIND*
I like to *BE BOUND*
Wow, Todd Spikes. Probably one of the most dangerous men ever caught on the show. He’s one of those that doesn’t seem creepy on the streets at least.
"Shockingly, upon searching his van, they found a large array of guns, plus one revolver in his pocket that was loaded and cocked along with an assault rifle on the passenger seat, loaded and primed. **Even more shocking, and this was not covered in the Dateline story, he had all the materials for a body dump: a chainsaw, tarp, ropes, and a boat anchor."**
This was just another Thursday night for this guy. There’s gotta be more bodies.
That's what I've been thinking.
Yeah for sure. Someone tell me they have been keeping tabs on this guy. At least looking at patterns in missing persons in and around the area where he lives
I'm British so I'm not all gunsy and that but isn't walking around with a *cocked* revolver in your pocket really dangerous?
Gunsy is my new favorite word.
I don’t even need to click that link, based on your description alone I know exactly which person you’re talking about. Sometimes things stick in your brain and this is one of those...
I was one dudes RA in university. He was a seriously weird dude, but was relatively friendly, came out to all of the campus events, and was not suspected of being a predator at all by any of us in the dorms back in those days. He was busted on TCAP about 2-3 years after I graduated, so probably sometime 2003-2005.
I fortunately don't know any predators, but I did work with a young woman who had worked on the show--she did the post production voiceovers for the catfishing texts between the detectives and the predators. She was the voice of the non-existent teen girl. Like the "oh I don't know much about sex, I'm only 13 lol" stuff.
Apparently she was a production assistant or intern at the production office, and one of the producers was like, "We need somebody with a young-sounding voice--you, say something" and she did, and he was like "Perfect! Come with me" and she recorded all the dialogue.
Right after she told a bunch of us at work (this was a couple years later at a different job) I went home that night and watched an episode and could tell it absolutely was her voice. Hilarious.
I’ve always wondered about the girls who do the voices haha. that’s so interesting that they picked a member of the crew!
It’s probably cheaper as they are already paying them at some level and don’t have to audition and hire someone new.
Yep! A PA is probably 5-10x cheaper than a voice actor, depending on the actors rates and, I’m assuming here, that they can get away with it since it’s a news/informative program. Otherwise some guild would be looking for $$.
I just knew a kid who’s dad was on the show when we were in middle school. Always felt really bad for the kid and his family.
I dont know anyone from the show but I was very close to my father who is a predator.
Middle aged geeky dude, had 2 daughters (I was 18, my sibling 20 at the time of arrest), bit socially awkward but known as a really kind guy. Always generous with his time, worked at a community center helping under privledged kids learn how to use computers.
Yeah turns out he was molesting at least 2 girls from there (4 and 8) and hosting a child porn ring from the centers server.
No one suspected it, he loved kids but that's cause he had 2 right? He'd fix everyone's computers for free and help them get into work. Really great upstanding citizen.
He got 16 years and everyone else got a lifetime of trust issues and trauma
That sounds scarily close to my father, but I'm the youngest and he didn't get the long in jail. How do you cope with knowing what he did? I struggle with it a lot and try not to think about it. It's weird trying to reconcile the person I loved as a kid with the predator who hurt other little kids like me.
I think for me the hardest part is knowing that I was first and struggling with the guilt of "if I had told someone those other kids wouldn't have been hurt".
But in a more general sense you just have to keep reminding yourself that you were never in charge of his actions, his choices were his own and sadly nothing you could have done would have changed it. Children hold no blame ever, involved or not.
I've tried to reconcile with my father in the past and it went okay for a while but in the end he didnt truly feel guilt because he couldn't wrap his head around how much trauma he caused. And that's not my burden to bear, it's not my job to teach him anything or help him rehabilitate. He's a grown adult and of he truly wants to change he needs to do that himself
I was also groomed by my father and I also tried to reconcile with him. I don't know about you but it took me a long time to not feel responsible for him anymore, like it would be my fualt if he couldn't live with the things he did. Anyway what I really wanted to say is thanks for sharing your story it makes me feel less alone (even tho I hate that it happened to you) I hope your doing well now x
I'm really glad you feel that way. I hate that there so many of us, but rather like the survivors of death camps I feel it's important for people to hear the victims.
If my story helps one person feel less alone that's enough for me.
Thank you for existing and continuing to be so brave x
Yes, Matty Nash. He was creepy and kept trying to get me to go to Burning Man. When I told him I didn't think that was a good idea because I had a 10 year old kid at the time he said I should bring my kid. Now I don't think he was interested in my kid at all but I did tell him I thought that would be super creepy to bring a kid to Burning Man with a bunch of people on E. This was in 2001. He came over to my house under the guise of talking business and then put the moves on me. I turned him down and sent him home to his wife.
Several years ago, a woman I know went full cougar mode when this 20-something lifeguard started flirting with her. Turns out, he was more interested in her pre-teen son. That was his MO. He would target single moms and "date" them to get access to the kid.
Yuck. That is so horrifying.
I didn’t know the person directly, but I worked at a company that had an employee caught on the show. This was particularly problematic, as the company was Nickelodeon Animation. Everyone who knew the guy was actually pretty shocked. It was particularly rough for his girlfriend at the time, as she also worked at the studio, so there was no hiding from it. For their part, Nickelodeon instituted rigorous background checks for every new employee after the incident, with zero tolerance for any misdeeds involving children. Those background checks are what keeps this lore alive though, as the process if much more intensive than any other studio.
I remember that episode and recall they specifically pointed out on the show that he worked for Nickelodeon.
This should honestly be the case with any kid-related jobs. Maybe not to the same extreme (I can’t speak on it since I don’t know the severity of the checks) but definitely to some degree. It would help protect a lot of vulnerable kids
At least here in the UK this is the case. Any conviction or even arrest for a related crime will show up on the background checks all child related businesses have to do by law. Forever.
To be clear, Dan was not the one caught on the show and has never had anything officially or legally come out…but the dude was creepy as fuck.
Remember how he had a foot fetish and once encouraged girls to write things on the soles of their feet and take pictures of them?
And the insane amount of feet shown in iCarly. I was watching it a few months ago and it seemed like every episode had a foot shot in the first season.
People like to say that it's just a kids show and kids think feet are funny but I don't know any other kids show that has such an *obsession* with feet.
Victorious was the same way.
There’s a scene where Ariana Grande at like seventeen years old maybe younger has to suck her toes.
She also had to drink a water bottle “upside down” on the edge of a bed while she’s making fairly suspect sounds and it looks as screwed as it sounds.
Literally an episode with a foot fetish subplot
I've gotten into both shows and you're right it's there in Victorious but imo it's *wayy* more rampant in iCarly.
I vaguely remember a scene from all that or something where some girl had to suck her toe on camera too. shits bad
Wasnt there a whole episode dedicated to getting a massage from fish nibbling off the dead skin and they ended up getting sick from it?
Yeah, in Victorious
In dog with a blog there was also foot shit. Like that one scene where the dog was sad under the bed so the girl puts peanut butter on her feet so the dog will come out and lick it off to be happy again. Even as a kid who didn’t know what foot fetishes were it was just,,,, uncomfortable
I was roommates with a person on the show for a bit. His name was Dave and he was one of the few people they let go when they started having the Sheriff’s Dept waiting outside. Felt bad for the guy, completely gullible and too nice of a dude. It was the Riverside, CA episode where two really young guys show up at the house. Basically my buddy was out in Cali visiting a friend that told him that he needed to detour to drop in on this girl he’s been chatting with (no age was mentioned and it’s not like he could say no as the only car they had was his friend’s in California’s car).
So he’s like “sure, I’m down to tag along”, immediately regretting the decision when Chris Hanson pops out. They only interviewed his friend and he just had to stand there nervously guzzling a Rockstar waiting for it to be over. Funnily when Chris told them they could go they thought they were in the clear and were giggling on the way out until a bunch of cops in tactical gear jumped them in the driveway lol.
Like I said they let him go with no issues as he never had contact with the girl and had only been in state for less that 24 hours. Really sucked though cause when the episodes were still available online that whole episode had his face as the thumbnail.
Wow, this blew up lol. To be fair I didn’t know him till well after this episode, so not a super fit for the criteria of the post. Met him at work and became friends, later was in a situation where I needed a new place to stay and like I’ve said earlier he was a super nice guy. I remember when my now wife and I were hanging out with him and he out of the blue says “I’ve been on TV, wanna see?” and whips out the tape of the episode. My wife and I have been TCaP fans since it came out and I always thought that Dave looked familiar, we were shocked when it became apparent why lol. Funny part is when the episode was being filmed we were living not too far from it in Yoruba Linda, CA but didn’t meet Dave till probably five years later after we moved to UT.
For any follow up requests, I haven’t spoken to Dave in probably 10 years or more.
As far as I know Sebastian did actually get charged and convicted, however he did get much needed help (they were both foster kids together for a long time, and while I do not give passes on pedos Sebastian’s experiences growing up IIRC were horrific so I hope he is in a better place now).
The last I had heard from Dave after we moved apart was he went down to MX for a bit, said he got railroaded to work as a Coyote by the local cartel and his car was being held to make him cooperate (was a really nice Eclipse back in the day). Not sure how much if this is true, but again this guy wasn’t a good liar and super naive.
As far as release forms, as stated in another comment as far as I remember he had a bunch of paperwork shoved at him while dealing with the cops and just signed shit to get out of there. Later he was advised it would be a long time and expensive to try and fight it.
With the giggling, I’m sure it was due to stress relief and no ulterior motive were there. Dude just got out of an oh shit moment and probably hadn’t had time to process what happened with his friend. Cut him a little slack.
why the fuck would you bring a friend along to drop in on your underage online sexting friend with no heads up whatsoever?
This was earlier internet days. Meeting people from the internet was still pretty sketch. Pretty standard to meet up just to hang out and see if they're real and to bring someone with you the first time
in case the 12 year old girl youre hoping to meet up with isnt who you think
One of my coworkers told me a story of getting caught in a drug bust because he went to the wrong house. He had set up an viewing for a house with his wife but entered the wrong address on the rentals nav unit.
They walk up to a surprising house and were let in after knocking to find a party with a table full of drugs. They were really confused and after a second they realized they were at the wrong address and left. But as they left the cops were moving in. They were only detained for a bit because it was easy to show it was an accident. His wife had a job offer and they were looking at relocating, too bad this happened February 2020, job went away after covid hit.
I was a home health nurse and was giving my elderly client an insulin shot when the police raided her house. Her grandkids apparently had a meth lab in her garage. I didn’t get detained, but the moments when they rushed through the door with rifles pointed at you and yelling to get down on the floor were some of the most terrifying of my life.
My brother was roomates with a guy who unbeknownst to him had multiple arrest warrants, he went “on holiday” one time and the police raided their flat when my brother was asleep and dragged him out of bed with guns drawn. Brother didnt get in trouble as he had nothing to do with it and never saw the guy again. Dont think he came back into the country..
Why didn't they blur out his face? They figured out pretty quickly that he wasn't involved, they should never have shown his face at all.
One time the perp was in his early 20s and brought a friend who was like 17. They still didn't blur out his face even though he was a minor.
Yeah, as much as I enjoy watching TCAP that is one if those things that angered me a bit. The kid is already going through the trauma of being arrested for what he didn't even really understand. But then it goes on national TV completely uncensored for God and everyone to see. Even though he wasn't charged with anything, anyone who watches that video will know him as the guy who was caught up in a pedophile sting.
Oh shit this guy knows the tagalong. He’s like a mystery among the tcap community
Talking bout my boy Stiffler Jr. I’ll never forget the face he made when he found out the decoy was 12.
That guy should get his own Rockstar commercial. *this shit gets you through the worst times - just keep sipping!*
Thank you for this, I was specifically wondering about those guys
Bad luck Brian there.
Sounds like your buddy could've had a nice civil case on his hands for having his pic up for that long when he did nothing wrong. Defamation of character. I wouldn't let my pic sit up for that long lol poor guy.
Yeah what the fuck. How is it ok to show a photo of an innocent guy and label him as a predator
Another “not related to the show but close encounter with pedophilia” story (edit: I’m a bit embarrassed this comment took off, given it doesn’t really answer the prompt lol):
My dad pulled my brother and I from a fancy expensive elementary school and put us in public school despite him really wanting us in a private school. He said after meeting the principal a couple of times, he had a weird feeling, strong enough to override my mom not having felt the same way. We were starting first and third grade (had done kindergarten and second grade there) and then switched to a new school. Six years later the guy was busted for molesting a couple of his young students, girls and boys.
My dad told me this story years later, right after another strange incident, when he and I were on a train and when we got off he had us duck around a lot of people and pillars. I didn’t get why; the dude across from us had been absolutely hardcore eyeing me (a 15 year old dressed-for-opera girl) and I figured that was (regrettably) normal, but dad said “When he’s eyeing me too, it’s a problem.”
I trusted my dad about people ever since 😂
Edit: a couple of people asked me to clarify the eyeballing. It was 15 years ago, but I still remember the eyeballing. I glossed over it because I didn’t want to distract from my “main” story, but I thought at first the guy was just a huge pervert. When I say “eyeballing”, I mean that for 20 minutes I knew he was staring at me, so I avoided eye contact for most of it (so didn’t realize he was taking turns looking at us). I was a shy and very low confidence girl and eye contact was something I had a majorly hard time with, but I got so fed up that the next time I caught his eye I kept looking. We stared directly into each others’ eyes for a full 12 seconds (I counted) before I got so uncomfortable that I looked away. We were in a foreign country so I was like “are perverts just more direct here???” Dude had a fairly blank face the whole time except for maybe the tiniest hint of a smirk. He also did follow us off the train, until dad lost us in the crowd. We were both dressed hella fancy for the opera so we looked super rich, and he very clearly saw we were together, so I had thought it was to mug us rather than kidnap me. However, it could easily have been to take my dad out and kidnap me. I didn’t even think about that possibility until years later.
Brief tangent: my mom saved me once too. Had a piano teacher for a short time when I was 11 that I got a bad vibe from, especially because the lessons were at his house and I would be alone with him during lessons. When I asked to stop, I didn’t say why but my mom agreed, which was unusual for her — every other activity I was forced to see through for “character development” (I was painfully shy). Literally this year, over two decades later, I mentioned to my mom that the guy had been creepy (Idr how we got to the subject) and she got visibly upset, saying she had too but didn’t know what to do about it until I asked to stop, and then five years later that guy was busted for touching two of his female students. Like what the fuck, world, are pedos really that common or is my family just both unlucky and very lucky??
Edit 2: thanks for the awards! I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment get upvoted so much before, haha. All the responses are making me reflect on my dad more, I’m for sure giving him a big hug and asking about the other weird stuff in his life that made him so on-point. His health (physical and mental) has started failing in recent years, so having these thoughts and memories is a bit bittersweet, but reminds me that I want and need to see him more while I still can.
Holy crap, your dad is on the ball
Situational awareness and common sense actually get you quite far when working in tandem.
Shame I can only have one and 50% of the other going at any time.
Ex: *Hmm that’s gonna catch on fire… how do you put out fires?*
We have a rule in our house. If either parent or the child is uncomfortable, that's the end of it. No need to find out whose right, because it just does not matter.
So what’s it like being Liam Neeson’s kid?
Shit I trust your dad too
This reminds me of my coach who used to be a security guard and is a self-proclaimed pro at people watching. One time we were in Thailand, in the lobby of our hotel. He pointed out a guy across the street and said he was most likely a creep. Just a few minutes later, the same guy came back the other way basically dragging a little girl by the arm down the street. Reported to the front desk who said they’d call the police, but idk if anything came of that.
I guess he was indeed a pro at people watching
Indeed "Haley that guy is a creep"
*girl getting dragged off"
Oh jee, I hope they have bacon
Your dad's instincts are on point wow.
There was an open secret at our elementary school that the 5th grade teacher touched little girls. The school knew for **decades** and did nothing. Girls would come forward and not be believed by their parents or dismissed by the school district from 1989-2004. His nickname was the octopus.
[edit: a link](https://www.leagle.com/decision/2006832414fsupp2d4181799)
How can not parents believe their own freaking kid i feel so bad for the kids dismissed like they are nothing once this happened in my middle school and the teacher was immediately dismissed despite him being the type of person no one would ever think would do something like that, let alone keeping the job we never even saw him around our school ever again
Every case is different, but I remember reading that parents didn't believe their kid, either with Larry Nassar when he was doing _invasive_ "Pelvic Massages"..
Invasive pelvic massages sound so disgusting on it's own it's making me nauseous, the courage they would have to gather to even say that
It's even more murky as the procedure he was doing is a real procedure, it was weird that he was doing them instead of a female therapist.
In my school there was a man teacher who every year would sleep with a newly graduate student at the leaving ball, it was an open secret, we all told our parents, but it was like everyone's reaction was "oh that's weird" I guess assuming since their own clever daughter would never allow herself to be predated on it was someone else's problem.
Once a shit stirring boy in one of my classes accused the female teacher of making a sexualised remark at him, I was in the class and this absolutely did not happen, she was instantly suspended and only allowed back to teach after I went to the headmaster and told him I was happy to go to court as a witness.
> the school defended him at every turn
This is always the shocker to me.
There was a teacher at my old school after i graduated who was arrested for having child pornography on his work computer. I hung out with some of the other teachers and they were 100% convinced he was being framed. Then the cops pulled something like 10,000 hardcopy photos out of his house.
Just because someone can tell a good joke, changes the coffee filter every morning, and never takes a sick day doesn't mean they don't also have a hidden life of depravity.
Denial is a heck of a thing.
Woah, read this whole comment not realising it was in my hometown. Yuck.
Dude. Same. This was already crazy until I got to the ending and saw that occurred in my hometown!
TIL everyone on reddit lives there
Those poor kids. I hope they found support somehow. What an utter piece of human trash that teacher was.
If you're one of those kids you're going to go through life with exactly zero trust in anyone.
I read this, shaking my head the whole time because I was thinking, Christ. I could genuinely see this happening...
And then I saw the Peterborough Examiner link. Oh. I could genuinely see this happening because it literally happened in the city where I went to high school.
Oh I can actually answer this one. He legit was always trying to sleep with men that were way too young for him (albeit just barely legal) and we made jokes all the time to him about how he was going to wind up on that show. We literally called him Herbert. It was the opposite of a "he was the last person I would suspect" situation.
"I never expected Dwight to go postal: it's always the last person you expect, and I always expected Dwight to go postal"
It's never the person you most suspect. It's also never the person you least suspect, since anyone with half a brain would suspect them the most. Therefore, I know the killer to be Phyllis, aka Beatrix Bourbon, the person I most medium suspect
Michael! I was doing so well
Reminds me of this cop in a book I read.
"You always hear the parents always say they never saw it coming. That he was a nice boy. But honestly, half the time, they just tell you, 'I knew he was sick inside, I just hoped it wasn't that bad'."
Edit: the quote is paraphrased from Orson Scott Card's _Lost Boys_. (Not the vampire one)
My auntie's boyfriend slit her throat when they broke up (she lived and is fine luckily, as he called 999 right after he did it). Later she sold her story to a glossy mag.
The intro to the piece stated that 'no one had any idea' and 'everyone liked him'.
Absolute nonsense, he was actually banned from all family events. He was extremely strange from day one and the final straw was him taking pictures of two young girls he didn't know (my cousins) while they were on the trampoline in my uncle's garden, repeatedly asking them to do sit down jumps (the implication being he was trying to get pictures up their skirts).
if she would started from "that scumbag piece of shit" it wouldn't gather that much attention
I don't know. I can see the Take a Break cover:
"Boyfriend was a peado, but the final straw was slitting my throat"
Did he end up getting convicted? I read somewhere that only like 1/4 or 1/3 of the people that get caught on that show actually end up with a conviction.
117 of 286 people on the show were convicted or pled guilty, or about 40%.
Some of the stings ended up resulting in 0 convictions due to serious deficiencies in the procedures followed.
Perverted Justice itself had major issues as an organization and broke the law a number of times. They were lucky a number of them didn't end up in prison.
Perverted Justice is such a funny name to me.
Is "Perverting the Course of Justice" a term in American law? In the UK it's a catch-all offence covering witness intimidation, jury tampering, evidence destruction etc.
it's fitting in more ways than one
I'm not totally sure how things wound up for him, as this revelation seemed like the opportunity I'd been looking for to distance myself from him, he definitely got arrested, he's definitely a registered sex offender now, but I don't think he went to prison or if he did it couldn't have been for very long.
A few summers ago I went out for a dog walk on a Saturday afternoon and there were loads of people outside my house. There was a paedophile hunter group on a sting with a guy down the street. Turns out he'd been soliciting sex from 14 year old girls. Sending them d\*ck pics and asking to meet up with him. Charming.
It all blew up, he got arrested. Got the world's most pathetic suspended sentence and now he's trying to act like nothing happened. His family stood by him (even his wife) and the whole thing is really quite bizarre. I guess the only fallout was that he lost his job and didn't leave the house for about three months, but it's all gone back to normal now.
The guy was always a weirdo, very controlling and rude. He was probably the only person on the street I took an immediate dislike to (there was just something off about him).
I guess it IS good to trust your instincts. I wonder if he's still at it or whether the slap on the wrist taught him a lesson...
Never heard of this show so I googled it.
"Why did To Catch a Predator get Cancelled?
Cancellation. The show was cancelled in 2008, in part because Louis Conradt, an assistant district attorney in Rockwall County, Texas, shot himself after he was caught talking to and exchanging pictures with a Perverted-Justice volunteer posing as a 13-year-old boy.
HAHAHA WOW WTF
Yeah wild hey haha.
It was actually really bad though because everyone they caught that season got let off because of that.
There were a few big problems with the cases. A big one was that for a lot of them neither the pretend children, nor the predators were in the county during the online chats. Another huge issue is that perverted justice, NBC, and the police involved were unable to prove that the chat logs were authentic. In addition to not being able to verify the chat lots, the ‘investigators’ would often be the ones who directed the conversations into sex, which real cops in these situations never do because opens the door for an entrapment defense.
That whole season was run like a show with cops stapled to it rather than an actual investigation. In the last season the cops were basically glorified security guards who did whatever NBC said. NBC ultimately got a big head and caused a very problematic suicide because they choose to run the ‘investigations’ themselves rather than involve professionals to make sure that cases could actually be prosecuted.
If they had professionals running these investigations and making sure things were on the up and up, then the cases wouldn’t have just gotten thrown out.
Other fun tidbits about that season are that the sting house was a little less than 2 blocks from an elementary school, the neighborhood had a lot of families with young children, and the town had no issue with pedophilia so the locals were livid NBC was inviting pedophiles into their town, and specifically into areas with young families right next to a school.
I’m not quite sure, but something along the lines of questioning the competence and ethics of the sting operation I think
Alright. I actually knew a guy who ended up getting caught on TCAP. We were not super close or anything but we took a few classes together and had labs together. To give you some time context. I would have met him originally in like 2001 or 2002. It was my senior year in high school, but I was taking a community college physics class. He was one year older than me, having just graduated the year early (he was born in 83, I was born in 84). I didn't really get to know him very much in that course but I did in a later that I was taking in like late 2002 or early 2003. I knew him from Physics classes, nothing else. I remember we were in the same lab group so we were spending 3-4 hours at a time working on some lab project.
He was a immigrant from India, and a rather small man, very thin and fairly short. He was a sikh and kept his hair covered. His English was pretty good though. You can just sort of tell, this guy was the type of guy who had no luck with girls, like zero, which is really common for a lot of dudes at this age though but this was like, worst case scenario for a guy. He had no attention of any kind from women. And we are in a physics class, awkward with girls probably explains the majority of young guys in that class at that time in our lives.
One time he wanted to teach me a lesson about never meeting girls online. He told me a story about how his friend (figure similar situation) was trying to meet girls online and then he met this one, she looked a little chubby in her face in her picture, but then he went to go meet her at the amusement park. And to his horror, it was a very obese woman. His friend had no idea on how to bail so he just sort of went along with it. They went and did some rides, then they got on the roller coaster, where when the ride ended she got stuck, and the ride operator was unable to help her, so they had to shut it down, call in a technician who had to disassemble the ride to get her out. As he was telling me this story he was laughing harder and harder, he then proceeded to point to an obese woman in the class and he whispers to me "and let me tell you my friend, it was her right over there" and he then erupted into laughter. "And that my friend is why you do not want to meet women online because you never know what you could get yourself into".
I remember the class he told me this joke in, and I remember taking it in spring of 2003, so I would have been like 18 or had just turned 19. That was the last class I took with him. But I do recall seeing him in the summer of 2004, at a different school, when I was waiting for a ride home, in a parking lot for about a minute or two. Basically just said hello, asked what we are doing at the place, then sort of just left. We were never online buddies, myspace friends or did anything in any social context outside of a classroom or lab. No lunch, no party, nothing.
He ended up getting busted on TCAP in Jan of 2006. I don't recall seeing the episode until 2007 or so. I remember the story he told me about meeting women online. I honestly have the hunch that the sting was the first person that was ever talking to him sexually. Like if he said he has never done such a thing, I believe it. The guy was an absolute max level incel long before the incel movement. I did read the chat log he had with the decoy and it was pretty sick though. The dude was definitely fucked up.
If you watched the show, he was the guy who claimed to be into academics and know about the law when trying to talk to Chris Hansen. That was definitely the vibe I remember from in class.
Is this the guy? He's a cocky little fucker for sure!
Nice! We need more of these comments linking the video of the predator to the comment.
The guy who commented that the predator was caught twice wasn't helping at all since more than one predator was caught twice.
Late to the thread but an absolute killer comment mate, thanks for chiming in. Always sad how things that seemed so innocent and innocuous end up being remembered as a moment of "damn I should've seen this coming."
When I was a kid, I was in a teen club at the YMCA. One of our adult supervisors gave me and a couple of the kids a ride to the Christmas party (we met at the Y). We had great rapport with him. One of our favorites. We all volunteered at the rock wall which was where his office was so we saw him all the time.
Anyway, on this ride, I don't remember what started the conversation but it ended with the guy seeming to have thought we implied he might be a molester. He responded pretty heated with something like, "I'm Filipino, Filipinos don't rape children". We all kind of brushed it off. We were old enough to know how damaging even a whiff of a rumor like that could be so understood even a joke or implication would be a touchy subject.
About 3 months later he was arrested for raping a girl in my grade who was not in the club. He had apparently tied her up in the rock wall closet and did some pretty sick shit to her.
I don't think he was on the show, but when I was waiting to leave for Navy bootcamp, one of the recruiters was caught in a sting operation. He thought he was texting and meeting up with a teenage girl and went to meet her during work, while in uniform, and in his government vehicle. I know he was arrested but I don't know what happened besides that his wife divorced him iirc.
I feel a few folks might find this interesting, but my anxiety feels I'll get the shit downvoted outta me because it's not answering the question.
I went through a home-blogger phase about 10 years ago while preparing to renovate my house and get DIY ideas. I stopped looking at a lot of them after renovating but one blogger's life and writing style was interesting so I kept reading. She slowly started educating herself and readers about sex trafficking then online grooming.
She did a trip years back getting involved with teams who try and stop sex trafficking in Asia and it was a gut wrenching read. This blogger has 3 daughters and you can just kinda *feel* how passionate she is about protecting children from exploitation. Anyways, she went a little radio silent for a while because she was working undercover, posing as a child (Filipino don't crack!) and collecting evidence to charge these MFers. Her identity was leaked so she [did an interview](https://medium.com/@sloane_ryan/what-comes-next-sloane-unmasked-9bc5882041a3) detailing what she does and how hard it is to immerse yourself in the shady world of child predators. She's now started a non-profit called SOSA (safe from online sexual abuse) to raise awareness of parents and educators on how quick your kid can be engaged in conversation with an adult creep .
Anyways, the topic of kiddie fiddlers always makes my blood boil and it makes me feel a little better knowing that there's people who have organized and are working real hard to make it safer for our kiddos.
Wasn't on the show but my one of my good friends was arrested earlier this year after a two month long investigation for a count each of possession, accessing and distributing CP. With COVID, I haven't seen him since early 2020, but we talked almost at least once or twice a week, sharing memes, jokes and whatnot. Really good guy, always down to help you out when needed. He was a very normal guy and none of our friends saw it coming, he'd never had a girlfriend or anything like that but we didn't really think anything of it, just assumed he was having the same luck we were with dating. Most people we know think he didn't do it, but a two month long investigation is pretty damning. Losing a friend in this manner sucks, but he did what he did and you can't do that.
It was my best friends dad. I slept over there all the time as a kid and hung out. He was relatively normal to be honest. Worked a lot. My friend and I recall getting on their home computer when we were younger and there were pictures of trips to Thailand and it looked like he was at some strip club. The strippers looked like children but we didn’t think anything of it because we were kids and figured the women looked younger in Thailand. They ended up moving out to California and he got caught on the show during my junior year of college. He called my family and all of the other families to explain that he never did anything to us. As far as I know he didn’t.
Actually a friend of mine's roommate ended up being one. He was super normal and kind of good looking. He had a girlfriend as well. The only odd thing about him was that he had inherited a bunch of money from his family all in cash. Aside from that he was in his 20s and you'd never think it at all. He was one of the ones that thought he was meeting a 16 year old girl or something like that. He also wasn't very bright.
I thought they always said 14 years and younger to be able to go after them legally. I’ve seen a lot of clips online and never saw older than 14 years.
TCAP had some 15 year old decoys, but never 16.
There was a kid who went to my middle school who went to meet up with this “14 yr old girl” who he told he was 21 for some reason (He was actually 13).
He took his mom’s mini van and drove about 20 miles to go see her. I don’t think they ever aired that episode, but I remember hearing Chris Hansen and the rest of the Perverted Justice team were PISSED. Officers called his mom and that was pretty much the end of it. He was at school the following Monday and it was almost like it never even happened lol. It was the talk around my small town down there in GA though.
I’m still friends with him on Facebook. He’s married with a few kids now.
I didn't know him personally, but he went to the same church as me (when my parents forced me to be religious), and I never knew he existed. He tried to lure an 11 year old girl from the internet to the local park, pretending to be her age, but that 11 year old girl was actually a 19 year old dude (I think that was his age) who had known about him being a creep, and wanted to turn him in to police for it
Guess the guy is lucky the dude didn't lure him in to beat the shit out of him.
I know someone who used to do that, him and his friends would lure pedophiles out, rob them and beat the shit out of them.
I knew someone who moved just outside my social circles in high school who bought himself a car junior year with the proceeds from robbing/ransoming pedophiles online. He was *quite* good at it too, had the whole thing down to a science. He wouldn't go in person, even with friends, bc he was (reasonably) worried he'd get shot, so the entire interaction was online.
Ah, stunning. Remember the fine young lad who got caught not once, but TWICE?
Went to my high school. Had a class or two with him.
Which one, “oops” or “I just came to get something to eat!!”?
I remember Hansen just being completely flabbergasted and disappointed when he saw that man outside of McDonald’s literally after encountering him a *day* before during a sting operation.
John "the naked predator" Kennelly
“I’m just getting something to eat!”
No, I LIKE sitting in the playground with these mcflurries.
The second guy is more famously known for getting caught the first time completely buck ass naked with a 6 pack of beer lol
“Your son told me to come on over.”
"I probably would have chickened out, sir"
Anyone remember Walter Babst? He was the high school teacher that got busted on the show THEN WENT BACK TO WORK for a few days. I went to that high school, but
I was never in one of his classes, so I can't exactly comment on how he was before.
Another "not on the show" story. A 50-ish professor at the university that I work at got caught in a sting trying to meet an underaged boy for sex in a parking lot. I was watching the news in bed with my wife, and when his mugshot appeared I startled the shit out of her by shouting YES!!! and jumping out of the bed.
The guy was just a complete asshole. I was 25 or so at the time, working as the web guy in the marketing department. I had just recently had a meeting with him and his department to demo their newly redesigned department website. They (the art/design department) didn't like the new website because it actually followed university standards, used approved colors and fonts, had the required university header, etc. They wanted to keep their dumpster fire of a website that broke every rule and looked incredibly unprofessional. When I refused to back down and explained that part of my job was ensuring that all department websites met the standards which had been mandated by the president and board of directors, this asshole erupted at me. He started yelling at the top of his lungs about how I'm "not a designer" and had no business telling them what to do. I was just a couple of years out of college, getting berated and insulted by a tenured department chair. I was incredibly intimidated and couldn't stop my damn body from shaking, but since it was literally my job to enforce the rules, I stood my ground. He stormed out of the room. Despite my best efforts to keep my composure, I found myself wiping angry tears from my eyes. A couple of his colleagues tried to apologize for him, but I knew that if I stayed in that room any longer I was going to lose it, so I quickly got out of there without making eye contact with anyone.
Just a couple of weeks later, his mugshot was on the news and I was jumping for joy in front of my very puzzled wife.
You should have replaced his photo on the website with his mugshot.
Edit: and make it the only page on the website that still has the old dumpster-fire look.
I remember an episode with a predator who’s a doctor in San Francisco. He’s tall and scrawny and I’ll never forget the way he reacted when caught, he threw his glasses on the floor in absolute defeat—I could tell he saw his life flash before his eyes. I wonder if anybody knew that guy and what became of him? What an absolute moron. Threw away a grand life to take advantage of little girls when he could’ve had/paid anyone he wanted (who’s not a minor)
He died like a month or two ago. After TCAP he separated from his wife temporarily, but they "got back together for the kids". Did 2 months in jail after fighting the charges, without success. Had his medical license permanently revoked and worked as a medical consultant afterwards. Name was Maurice Wolin, a.k.a " Tall Dreamy Doc/Marco". What a ride. His chat is an absolute hoot.
What made that one even worse was the fact that he had young daughters himself. He even tells his wife on the phone not to bring the girls. What a stupid piece of shit he is.
I didn't know anyone from that show, but I did know a guy who got caught for the same thing. It was the early 2000s. He was my friend's husband. He met a 13-14 year old girl in a dnd chat room when he was in his mid-20s. Groomed her, traveled to another state to see her, then took her to New Orleans.
He got caught, a lot of years in jail. My friend divorced him.
He was extremely egotistical, and I always hated him. To the right people he came across as charming. He used everyone and everything he could. Named himself after a popular vampire, but spelled it wrong. I remember throwing his stupid red lens glasses into the street. He was the type to buy booze for teenagers.
Did he spell Dracula as Dracoola or something?
Ed Wood Cullings
mine is bad, he wasnt on the show but recently found out a friend/ bandmate was the worst of the worst. last December his gf came home to the swat team at her house escorting him out with all the electronics in the house. turns out they had been watching him for years, gathering evidence on other people he was trading photos/videos with. I think he led them down a path to catch alot of people at the same time. he had a daughter (2yrs) that was his victim aswell.. he was finally arrested when he agreed to meet a young boy. he was the absolute last person you'd expect. nice. funny. great guitar player. and a good friend. we played live shows. had music videos and a decent album we released. we had to take all videos of him off youtube and all music of him off spotify and shit. I hope he dies in jail
I feel like I can contribute to this because for the guy I knew it was everything the same but not on TV. I.e. he arranged to meet an underage girl for sex but it was a police sting and he was arrested. But it was a police operation and subsequently in the news.
He was my boss' boss and so I had a few meetings with him and stuff. He seemed alright, a bit quiet, normal. Not very sociable but pleasant and reasonably popular because for instance at Christmas be would allocate some funds to his junior managers to take employees for a meal at Christmas. And he didn't seem to be concerned bout being popular or anything, just a nice gesture.
I never heard that he was anything other than professional at work, not inappropriate to the adult women I worked with, as far as I know. He did apparently have a marriage breakdown and shack up with a much younger girl/woman, which was gossipped about, but more in terms of "how did *that* guy manage to shack up with a trophy girlfriend??" gossip because he was 50-something and not attractive. Probably on fairly good money, though.
It was interesting to see someone you knew going through the press about it:
The article in the paper genuinely made me think "look at him, he does look like a paedo." Small, balding, skinny, big glasses, mugshot. But how ridiculous is that?? I knew the guy! I never thought "he looks like a paedo" before there was a mugshot in the paper next to the word paedophile.
Also, the paper made a big deal out of the fact that when they raided his office at my work they found a "SEX KIT". Condoms and wet wipes and a towel, I think? And made out like that was somehow damning in itself. Sure it's sort of inappropriate stuff to bring to work but they don't imply paedophilia. Basically the article was about how much of a sinister creep he was but honestly, other than actually being a sinister creep in that he arranged to meet an teenage girl for sex on the internet... the other attributes of his personality were entirely normal.
'Funny' thing was he was arrested in a a sting and bailed, and while he was waiting for the poilce / Crown Prosecution Service to do whatever they do preparing a trial or whatever, *he did it again!!* He was stung, doing exactly the same thing, by the police, *again.* I mean really, you'd really think you might have learned your lesson...
Weren't on to catch a predator but my ex-step dad was a pedophile. Before he went to jail for his third time (my mom didnt know when she married him) we would see his family a lot. His brother was always very nice and liked having us over. They would sometimes get weird with each other and his brother would make comments about my body every now and then. After my ex stepdad went to jail his brother was caught on a online chat sting. He somehow got my contact info when I was an adult and thought it was appropriate to tell me he was attracted to me when I was 12.
Weirdly they both didn't like each other being alone with young girls and at least once referred to the other one as a pedophile. I was too young too really understand it back then.
Talk about competition between them I guess
Not on the show because we're not american, but there was a group that was looking for people accessing certain sites and my cousin's ex was one of them. She actually found out by checking his computer, but it was horrifying to her.
I was a kid around this time, so what I remember from him is that for the most part he was quiet. One thing is in our culture we kiss each others cheeks as a greeting, but when I did it I think I missed or something (?? don't remember exact details) and the whole family laughed light heartedly. I looked back at him but there was this weird look in his eyes I couldn't exactly understand as a kid, which freaked me out immensely. I remember kind of running away in a weird embarrassment afterwards, but it's a memory that stuck to me for my whole life. A few years ago my cousin confessed about why they really broke up all of those years ago, and I just remember that specific moment and felt so scared like I did as a kid. It's a face I don't think I'll forget.
I worked with a guy who was eventually convicted of raping his girlfriend's kid over a period of like 8 years. I would have known him while this was just getting started.
Apparently the guy ran in some pedo circles online and was recognized when another guy got busted with some of the videos my colleague had filmed. Fucking disgusting.
I was apalled when I found out but it honestly pieces together pretty well. Dude is a chubby quiet awkward nerd with a Disney obsession and enough tech savviness to think he could get away with something like this.
Good at his job though. I liked him and was a reference for him a couple of times. Bothers me quite a bit to think about how close I was to this creep.
One of my bosses at an old job thought he was in an online relationship with a 12 year old girl but it was the cops. When he was arrested his wife actually came to the store to ask them not to fire him. I never liked him and I wasn't surprised.