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Erkengard

Short answer: No.


timihimself

No I don't think so. All dutch people I met could have been anglophones. The dutch do watch TV and movies in English. In Germany the dubbing industry is huge and every TV show or movie is in German. This makes a big difference I think. But especially younger Germans do possess a good level of English.


Icy-Armadillo-8281

An emphatic no


HellasPlanitia

Not by a long shot. Simple explanation: the Netherlands are *tiny*. A Dutch person living in the middle of the country is only surrounded by around 15 million Dutch native speakers, and if she walks 150km in any direction she will either be in a different country or swimming in the sea. With a country that small, even the most "remote" corners of the Netherlands regularly come into contact with non-Dutch speakers, and Dutch people have to work pretty hard *not* to travel to non-Dutch-speaking areas. Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable that they are as good at learning foreign languages as they are - this is a fairly common phenomenon which you can see in people who live in smaller countries and linguistic groups (e.g. the Scandinavian countries, some of which may be quite large geographically, but have very few native speakers). They simply encounter so many more people who don't speak their native language that it's natural for them to learn foreign languages. The fact that they don't dub their TV and movies (which is, again, because there are so few Dutch native speakers that the market isn't big enough to warrant the effort - subtitling is much cheaper) only makes them even better at learning other languages. Germany, on the other hand, is the language with the second largest number of native speakers in Europe (Russian has more in Europe, and Spanish and English have far more native speakers worldwide); there are over a hundred million German native speakers, nearly all of which are concentrated in central Europe. A German living in central Germany can easily walk over five hundred kilometers in any direction and still be within a German-speaking area. As they are part of the (second) largest European linguistic group (and one of the larger groups on a worldwide scale), they are immersed in German-language media of all kinds, whether it be native productions or dubs. The German-speaking "world" in central Europe is large enough that it's not all that hard to never have to interact with a non-German speaker. Therefore, that German speaker has far less of a need to learn other languages; the pressure to do so isn't anywhere near as great, as they have (on average) far fewer interactions with non-German-speakers than their Dutch counterpart.


brennesel

According to [this](https://jakubmarian.com/index-of-knowledge-of-english-in-europe-by-country/) source the Dutch have a much higher level of English proficiency. It's important to note though that it's an average self-reported value.


kevinichis

Not by a long shot. This is mostly due to the complete refusal of consuming entertainment in its original language in cinemas or on the TV, like the Dutch or Scandinavians do.


11160704

I would not call it refusal, it's more the fact that dubbed versions are almost always available which is not the case in the Netherlands.


kevinichis

Dude, that's the definition of refusal. They refuse to watch OV/OmU, because a shitty dubbed version is always available. The TV stations don't even make the effort to offer English/OV as SAP (except Arte, AFAIK). This also takes me back to the premiere of The Force Awakens. We were 14 people in the OV theatre. The other 8 screens with the dubbed version were sold out. And yes, I live in a Großstadt. For the record: if anyone thinks dubbed Star Wars is acceptable, please unfriend me. And don't get me started with German Homer Simpson.


11160704

You can turn it also the other way around and say the Dutch have no other option to watch the English version because their TV stations refuse to produce a Dutch version. I never understood why people get so emotional about other people's TV and film preferences? Just let everyone watch what they prefer.


OYTIS_OYTINWN

What surprises me a lot is that they don't only do it with blockbusters which might makes sense economically. I had a rare opportunity to go out to a cinema, and wanted to see Nomadland because of all the prizes and reviews - and guess what - they dubbed it! I had to watch it in German. Weirdest experience ever.


this_what_she_said

No.


camfrye1

This week’s episode of [Easy German](https://youtu.be/g-8YqIH3FXU) might be of interest.


Shiny_Agumon

I don't know how fluent the Dutch are, but I would say that most young people are at least on B2 level when it comes to English literacy.


thenewathensethos

That sounds pretty generous if you ask me. A lot of young German people speak okay English, but not on B2 level and the variation is big. A few years ago I took my Italian neighbour to Germany (I lived in southern Denmark not far from the German border then) and we met a cashier who was in her twenties and didn't speak a lick of English. I had to translate. I also got a visit from a German friend who has a Fachabitur, so she is well educated. But her English was limited and again I had to translate sometimes. Don't get me wrong. There are a lot young German people who speak great English, but there are also a lot German people who only speak limited English. I would definitely say that the Dutch people speak better English on average than German people, even if they are young.


Fellbestie007

How many of the young people you know have A-levels and spend much time on the internet? Because I know a lot who under age 25 and speak barely English at all.


Schattenpanda

If they visited highschool


Ahvier

No way josebot


NummerZwoelf

No. Great talk.


AlwaysUpvote123

Nope. Most of us young people do speak quite good english though, because Internet and english lessons that start early in school. Still, not nearly as good as the dutch.


Cinderpath

As a native English speaker, I was shocked how good their language skills are. I wish my German was as good as their English.


NarrowBuy2026

No. Younger Germans will mostly have a good command of reading English due to Internet blog, boards, games etc. Hearing will be more problematic, unless they also follow English speaking channels, watch movies in English etc - which is NOT the norm. Speaking ability will be pretty bad, unless they are working in tourism, in a cross-national company with meeting in English or the like.


InThePast8080

Depends on the person. If you look away from the accent, many german on the international stage are very fluent. Just listen to people such as jurgen klopp. He has spent the mayority of his life in germany speaking german, and surely some english as well. Eventhough pretty good. Could also take people with strong accents.. like Ursula von der Leyen. Totaly fluent. To do a comparision between a dutch and a german.. you could compare louis van [gaal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRt0Gb0SK8&ab_channel=SkySportsRetro) (dutch) being interviewed with Jurgen [klopp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1fcswU07g&ab_channel=SkySportsFootball) (german) being interviewed in english. Generally those working with english as a part of their daily life are as fluent as any.


staplehill

English proficiency index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index The Netherlands is 1st out of 112 countries, Germany 11th.