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Yesterday on one of our walks, a gentleman gave us an ultra wide berth and told me German Shepherd's should have a muzzle on as they are a dangerous breed. This derpy/dangerous beast is Kova and she was 4mo yesterday.

Yesterday on one of our walks, a gentleman gave us an ultra wide berth and told me German Shepherd's should have a muzzle on as they are a dangerous breed. This derpy/dangerous beast is Kova and she was 4mo yesterday.

pass-the-message

Any dog can be "aggressive" including Chihuahuas and small dogs. That's why it's advised to approach all dogs carefully like letting them sniff you and look at their body language.


turandorf

And always ask their owner too. They know thier animal better than you and it's always a smart first step


pass-the-message

Good point. I had a little boy ask if he could pet my medium size dog which I am guessing his parents taught him. 👏 That way, the dog isn't spooked either (rather than if it was just done impulsively).


Weinerdogwhisperer

I had a little girl come up to me at the dog park and ask me if the little brown dog was mine. Then she told me "his mouth tastes funny."


julieannehamm

What were they eating together?!? Really funny but makes you think


NoConsideration8361

Got a good laugh out of this one, thanks


piepie6565

Laughed out loud at your post.


N3ma1i

I tend to have Kids and young adults/teens ask me waay more if it is okay to pet my puppy. Adults just lure her or pet her. I am glad that she will look "scary" (german boxer) in a few months.


PeacefulCouch

Guess maybe adults feel that because of their age they're more responsible and don't need to ask. I live in the US, and you bet your ass you're going to ask me first.


152069

Didn’t her parent tell her to never smooch a dog? Smh parents nowadays...


cnfmom

Yep we've taught our kids exactly this. We don't own pets (and never will due to allergies) but have explained that animals require consent to be touched just like humans! My son has understood this since he was probably 2 and its awesome to see owners who appreciate being asked and helping my son interact with their animal.


JVince13

Lol I saw a great meme that said something like “owning a cat will be a child’s first lesson in consent,” and as a cat owner, I just couldn’t help but laugh. You will know when they don’t want to be touched!


cnfmom

Lol that's awesome! I love it.


Dason37

My child was insanely shy as a toddler but would always toddle over and ask people for permission to pet their dog, in the tiniest, most polite voice.


112358132134fitty5

I am certain my dog knows what "can i pet your dog ?" Means. Because as soon as anyone says it, they bout to get kissed, big Wet slobbery kisses.


cnfmom

Aw I can just picture that. That's adorable!


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cnfmom

Hypoallergenic dogs/pets don't actually exist. I'm not sure where or how the term originated but vets will be the first ones to tell you its not actually possible. I am deathly allergic to several 'hypoallergenic' breeds. The allergies derive from the dog's dander. Also, the breeds I'm allergic to differ from the breeds my child is allergic to so the odds of us finding one we both don't react to is virtually zero. And even breeds that don't seem to bother me would likely cause problems if they were inside my home living with me unfortunately. Purina has developed a type of cat food that virtually eliminates cat dander allergens I've heard. Apparently with 97% success rate in those allergic to cats. But as far as I know, nothing for dogs yet sadly. Thank for trying to help though :) I know your comment was meant with the best intentions. Edit to add: of course things like reptiles and aquatic animals could be consider hypoallergenic pets. I'm just referring to things like dogs/cats/rabbits/hamsters/guinea pigs etc.


rescuedOlive

You are so right. I have a hairless dog and my sister in law experiences the same intensity of allergic symptoms to him as she goes to a cat


cnfmom

Lol yep. My favorite is when people tell me I can't possibly be allergic to hairless dogs/cats and that it must be all in my head.


NobodyCaresNeverDid

I just checked Purina's website because I'm very allergic to cats. They claim that their LiveClear foods reduce allergens in hair and dander by an average of 47% starting the third week. Not quite 97% but probably good for people with mild to moderate allergies.


cnfmom

Oh sorry, I think the stat I saw said that 97% of people were able to be around the cat/didn't have a reaction. But that's awesome that their website has such exact info. Thanks for passing that on!


F4PipBoyEdition

No worries at all! I figured you might already know and your allergies were just too severe.


caitejane310

It's always wonderful when people respect the dog, especially kids. My big baby is ~100lbs and we have a couple stores in my area that allow animals. I get asked more times than not if someone can pet her, but if I notice someone looking curious at her I'll say "you can pet her if you want, she loves people" and they usually do. I also understand the people who stay away/are afraid of her. She's quite big. There's video on my profile of her playing with her tire.


vermillionskye

She’s adorable! It makes me happy to help kids have good dog interactions too. Plus, I don’t have kids so it helps keep my dogs socialized.


ITriedLightningTendr

Had some kids (granted, they were like 5 or younger) run up to my dog and she was clearly running away and cowering and they were like PET THE DOGGY


MetricCascade29

It’s also courteous. They may be trying to train it and don’t need the distraction, or maybe just don’t feel like dealing with other people.


Sixwingswide

All of the above for us. When we’re doing training in the field by my house, most of the other dog walkers leave us alone. *Most*. Also: I don’t want to be social. Also: my dog is dog-aggressive, so whenever I looks like paths my cross, I’ll always swerve first.


Icarus_skies

I've been bitten by dogs twice in my life (bad enough to need to go to the ER). BOTH owners said "oh he's friendly" despite their body language suggesting otherwise, and essentially forced me to pet them (I was a child both times). Then both gave me the whole "he's never done that before!" routine. This is not foolproof.


bozeke

Same folks who take their dogs offleash and let them run up to leashed dogs saying, “Oh, he’s friendly,” not knowing *anything* about the leashed dog.


NidhoggAlpha

As the owner of a dog that does not get along with other dogs, I think those people are the worst. Sometimes it’s not about your dog. And if your dog does not come back to you the first time you call it, every time, your dog should not be off leash in public. Rant over.


worskies

Happens to me with my GSD about once a month. 90% of the time it is a small dog that I don't see until it's too late. The owners always swear they're friendly and just playing (as they aggressively run around my dog in a circle). Even though my dog is the leashed one, I end up looking like the bad guy because my dog starts having an anxious freak out.


T_Lover

This is me. Still got the scars.


Saarrocks

Exactly! And listen to the owners answer, don’t think it’s okay anyways because it looks cute. A girl asked me if she could pet my tony dog. I said no, as he hates kids and he just cane from the vet where they pulled out a toe-nail so he was in pain. I explained to her how a dog in pain is unpredictable, even to their owner. She wanted to pet him anyways and touched his sore paw. He bit her. I apologize a thousand times as i felt bad about it anyways, but the parents just told the girl “and that’s why we tell you to ask permission”. That was a big learning moment for her.


BernardWags

I appreciate those parents. They did teach the child.


vermillionskye

It makes me sad that I’m impressed by the parents’ reaction.


ObelusPrime

Unless the owner is oblivious. I had a neighbor get a new dog from a shelter and after about a month he decided he wanted to try socializing this 4 year old agressive dog. I didn't know he was agressive until he started circling us with his tail down and then nipped at my girlfriend's leg. He also kept it off leash and it ran at us a few times to keep us away from the house.


NHPhotoGuy

Bad owners create bad dogs. And I qualify ignorance as being a bad owner.


ObelusPrime

Totally agree


boogs_23

I wish people would listen to owners as well. Sometimes I look after my sister's mini schnauzer poodle mix and she is not a good walker. The little dog was not socialized with other dogs as a pup and does not get along with others. So when I see another dog walker, I pull her up close and give a bunch of room. The other walker almost always asks to let them play and when I say no, they ignore me and let their dog go. Chaos ensues.


Vernknight50

I hate when people walk up and start petting my dog, especially when I'm trying to teach him to be calm when people walk by. He's very friendly.


wikishart

the owner often has a rosy eyed view of their dog because their dog is on their best behavior with them and also because they love their dog. Just as Karen's son is a little angel who would never throw dog poop at a little girl. Parents don't often know their children better than other people do, because parents are the most biased source of information on their little angel geniuses. Now, if a dog owner says be careful, he bites, yes take that warning seriously. If a dog owner says my dog is an angel, take it with a grain of salt, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Approach a dog that is big enough to hurt you like a gun that is loaded. Responsibly and with care and knowing it can go off.


MLSlate1324

Idk if I can completely agree, some owners don’t know their pets.


Sixwingswide

“He’s never done that before!”


Raikou0215

Owners of aggressive dogs are typically in denial and will lie about their pets friendliness. I avoid strangers’ dogs.


zombies-and-coffee

Sometimes, I don't even think it's denial. Depending on what the dog actually did, it's a way for the owner to try and get you to forgive them. "Oh, he's never bitten anyone before!" "Oh gee, really? Gosh, I must have done something to make him mad then, so I guess I won't press charges after all. Have a nice day!" If it *is* denial, I think it's more denial about their inability to train and control their dog than about the fact that their dog is aggressive.


johnny_ringo

all too common


svtr

That's usually the people that look at the puppy and go "awww so cute, look hat those big floppy ears he has, just like a bunny". Two years, and 40kg body mass later, and they got an animal that they can't control, and is essentially a danger to society. Owning a dog is a big responsibility, that you can liken to being a parent. The dog is a part of your family and you need to treat them essentially like your child when they are growing up. If you don't, then, well, bad things tend to happen at some point. ​ Well, I guess you can get away with it if you own an overgrown rat that fits into a handbag, but those are not "dogs" to me.... and you still need to have them leash'ed so they don't hurt some kid on the playground.


tooltomus

I was going to say the same thing! A neighbor years ago had a poodle that would aggressively bite anyone who tried to pet him.


Metalbass5

Most vicious dog I've ever encountered was my parents shih tzu. Was super sweet with me, but dear god; don't annoy her. Closest thing I've ever seen to "Taz". Just a snarling, snorting ball of fur, teeth, and rage. She drew blood more than a few times.


capt_carl

Sounds like the Shih Tzu I had as a kid. Smart dog, always pleasant, but when he had enough of you he let you know *extremely* clearly.


Metalbass5

Oh hell yeah. Playtime was over when she said so, if you wanted to keep your digits intact.


michaelaaronblank

A lot of small dog owners feel like their small dog doesn't need any training besides toilet training. I prefer a well trained big dog over a spoiled tiny dog any day.


inevitablealopecia

Yeah only difference is if I get charged by a snarling chihuahua I have the ability to get away by running, or standing on a bench or worst case pick it up and throw it. Same scenario with an aggressive German shepard and I'm gonna get seriously hurt.


fuckyousquirtle

An aggressive chihuahua isn’t going to hurt you if you stand your ground or kick at it (if you have to), but don’t try to pick it up and throw it. You’re 50 times stronger than it but it’s 100 times quicker than you and it will bite the shit out of your hand.


inevitablealopecia

Yeah tbh I know not to pick up a snarling dog, I just didn't want to say I'd kick it lol


fuckyousquirtle

Haha yeah, me too, that’s why I said “if you have to”. No one wants to be the person who kicked a dog. But if an aggressive little dog was biting my ankles and I couldn’t get away I’d absolutely kick it


The_Chimeran_Hybrid

New Objective: Yeet the Chihuahua


salgat

The difference is that one might break the skin worst case, the other could actually kill you worst case. That's why I'm more cautious around big dogs, my little poodle mix got attacked before and I just can't risk that again, he's my entire world.


SchnoodleDoodleDo

>'*...it's advised to approach all dogs carefully like letting them sniff you and look at their body language.*' --- We love our human friends, we do, but 'Stranger' - we do not Know you! n tho there's 'friends' we haven't met, Please don't just come right up n 'Pet' Ask our human, *then* approach, but if we feel our space encroach we still may *scare*, n back away (n maybe just don't feel like 'play'...) With careful steps you humans take, you help avoid a 'Huge mistake'! Enjoy the dogs you call your own - (it's Best to leave strange ones alone...) ❤️


Azsunyx

Yay! Schnoods!


april9th

> That's why it's advised to approach all dogs carefully like letting them sniff you and look at their body language. ...it is also why people who choose to buy large, traditionally working dogs with violent jobs, have the responsibility to prepare for that. Going 'oh no, my alsatian is just a wickle baby *posts cute pics *' doesn't quite cut it, lol. All dogs have the ability to be aggressive, however it's a lot easier for an owner to control a terrier over a mastiff. Very simple stuff. The number of times I've seen owners walking two german shepherds and not being able to control either... People aren't responsible. It's an issue. #alldogsaggressive doesn't really change some dogs weigh 4kg and some 40kg.


CryptoTraydurr

German shepherds can be very protective of their owners, which can be dangerous if they weren't trained properly. Which lots of dogs aren't. Every time we see a German Shepherd come to the dog park we pray he was very well trained


Almighty_Sand_Dollar

I don't take mine to the park because he is too aggressive. He loves people but he gets protective of me with other dogs around. My dumbass neighbor never leashes their Rott and they got into it with my guy tied up in his leash last year. It made his aggression even worse


CryptoTraydurr

Call the cops? Wtf


Almighty_Sand_Dollar

They refused to pay vet bills. I had animal control over and they eventually paid the $300 or something. They still do not leash that dog


BernardWags

That is so frustrating! Get that damn dog on a damn lead.


Eryuna

I used to take my shepherd to the dog park all the time, he's a little chicken and very submissive, played well with others! We had to stop going because a woman kept bringing her Dalmatian who was NOT trained and constantly got aggressive with other dogs (mine included)... she would do nothing and just call from a distance "Carrrrrrrrl stop it carl" in this whiny voice without ever removing her dog from the situation... worst part, multiple people had asked her to leave and she kept coming back...


GlacierFruits

I think to a certain extent any dog that size has the potential to be dangerous. I watched a husky shake a smaller dog by the neck once and it was scary - was apparently a very nice dog usually but was pregnant and hormones or whatever. We forget because they're so nice, most of the time, but dogs are high-key terrifying when they want to be. They're faster than you, got some sharp-ass teeth and the big ones are stronger than most people too


xibipiio

Legit, generally small/toy dogs get a pass even if they're way more aggressive because the damage they do is minimal and manageable compared to large or even medium breeds. My old boss had chihuahuas I had to mind every once in a while when he was out of town and they would be little bastards, but I was never in fear for my life/injury because it wasnt a labrador with a bellyache.


thegatekeeperzuul

Ya gotta concur with you here, most German Shepherds I’ve met at dog parks were not super well behaved. I never witnessed them cause any real damage like I’ve seen with pitbulls a few times but definitely saw them start shit on numerous occasions. I mean either way I understand people being hesitant around big dogs in general. There’s tons of people out there with untrained dogs and like 99% of them will say their dog has literally never been mean in their entire life even when they have. These kind of posts where the owners act like how could anyone ever be concerned about my pup are silly. I’ve got a mastiff who’s a sweetheart but if anything I’m happier when people are cautious when they first meet him if for no reason than that it means they use the same caution around dogs who might not be as nice.


ilaich21

The problem is most people assume that just by owning a German Shepherd it makes the dog the right kind of protective. Most people don’t realize that it takes a very specific (and trained) kind of dog to actually be protective….and the poorly bred, BYB GSD ain’t it. Edit: since some people are upset by the last sentence. It’s FINE to have a GSD that doesn’t have “it” to actually be protective. Most don’t. Just don’t put unreal expectations on your dog when genetically it may not be there.


monkeysknowledge

Yeeeaaaahhh but some dogs are physically capable of mauling or killing a human. And dogs like humans can be unpredictable. Anyone owning a large breed should be extra responsible and considerate of other people's rational concerns. I'm saying this as an owner of two large mutts.


AbsolutelyUnlikely

Exactly. I'd say it's overkill to say that they all need a muzzle. A leash should suffice unless you are dumb enough to try to walk them by yourself if you cannot physically control them. BUT it's also strange to act like German Shepherds aren't capable of being extremely dangerous if they aren't trained and handled properly... even if this one happens to be a derp.


Runaway_5

I've seen maybe 5 muzzled dogs out of the thousands I've seen in my life. Expecting anyone to muzzle their dog is stupid unless they're going ape shit on walks and such


AbsolutelyUnlikely

Yep, like I said, probably overkill unless you aren't able to physically control your dog with a leash should they decide to charge. In that case, the leash is pretty pointless and a muzzle isn't a bad idea.


plynthy

This is the right attitude. I hate the idiotic retort that 'large breeds aren't dangerous, pits are so sweet, my german is such a softie, etc'... That is missing the point by a MILE. It just takes one time for a strong dog to kill or maim someone. If the dog feels (rightly or wrongly) threatened or scared or protective or confused, game over. When a german shepherd is very protective of their home or owners, its scary to be on the other side of that. It doesn't matter once the switch gets flipped, they are simply stronger and faster. The owner assumes that risk no matter how remote the possibility. Sounds like you understand that, you aren't denying the obvious.


the_breekiest

Yeah pretty much, I have two Australian Shepherds that are 40 and 55lbs. They stay leashed unless I'm on private property and even when someone asks if they can pet them I always say "sorry they're in training" (which is true, your dog should be always training as its healthy for them) The odds of them biting someone are small and they're both good dogs but I'm not gonna take the chance of having to put one of my beloved dogs down because one decided that this person scares them and they bite out of fear. Unless myself and the dog personally know you then I'm sorry but no touchy. My job is to make sure not only the dog is safe but that people are safe around the dog.


Jpeppard

Yeah it just turns out an aggressive German shepherd can do a lot more damage than a dog you can drop kick into next week, and thus viewing them as a bigger risk is not unreasonable.


satan_on_the_porch

Very true. But if you're walking your dog in public, you had better keep control of it.


Substantial_Tiger824

**And** why dog owners should maintain control over their dogs & not just let them approach strangers on the street. Some of us may like dogs, but our spouses don't...& even those of us that like dogs want to be able to approach dogs on **our** terms.


DizzyDeezler

While I don't ostracize German shepherds or pit bulls, a chihuahua can't kill a person. A German shepherd could very easily kill a person.


Almighty_Sand_Dollar

This is exactly it. Bad dog owners are always bad dog owners. But pits and other big dogs are liabilities. You can't take the 1% chance that they attack a person or pet. They can literally kill them. Little mutts can bite or fight you but they are not going to kill anyone. My dog is property at the end of the day. Not much different from a gun. If I don't take every precaution to prevent him from killing someone, and they get hurt or die, that's on me. Outside of self defense ofc


scorching_duck

This is exactly right. I work at a dog daycare/boarding facility, and I've only ever been bit by small dogs. But we all acknowledge that the severity of being attacked by a large dog is significantly more dramatic. End of the day, dogs are still animals. Gotta watch that body language and act accordingly.


HappyGimp

I just saw a case where a Chihuahua jumped up on on a woman and bit her eyelid off.


highvoltageslacks

My issue is people letting their dogs run around without a leash. I don’t care that you think your dog is fine and has a good temperament, I don’t know the thing and it doesn’t know me. Keep it the fuck away from me. Door swings both ways. I was out at my front door one night maybe a month ago. Was crouching down with my back to the street looking at some pepper plants I’ve been growing and had someone’s pit bull come sprinting up out of nowhere from the darkness. Dude comes sauntering up a few moments later telling me the dog’s fine and I remember being pretty put aback that this person had just let his fucking dog run up on me from behind without giving any sort of heads up or anything. Then there’s my dipshit neighbor’s breeder ‘pit bull’ that bolts out their front door the second they crack it open because they won’t put a leash on it. I’ve seen it almost get creamed by a car because it was trying to go after the neighbors dog across the street. I’ve seen it go for a cat that was standing right next to me in my front yard. I had a repair dude working on a neighbor’s house asking if it was dangerous when it got out one day while all of them were home just completely oblivious that it got out.


Demz_Boycott

I take the ignore the dog and let them approach you when they are comfortable route.


is-this-guy-serious

Aggressive is not the same as dangerous. Note: I don't think German Shepherds are inherently dangerous.


plynthy

I hate this point, its not helpful without also mentioning that a misbehaving chihuahua can't kill you. Elephants can be cuddly but if they get mad, game over Dolphins goof around with divers but could absolutely kill them. A german shepherd with a temper or simply having a bad day or who felt threatened, right or wrong, would absolutely have a decent chance at killing you if it tried.


M1THRANDlR

Chihuahuas can't maim and kill an adult.


reshp2

Small dogs are often the most aggressive because people don't think they need to train them and carry them around which makes them extra territorial.


thephant0mlimb

Shepard's are really intelligent dogs I like them and my friends have had a couple. The only bad experience I had with a German shepherd was when I was walking my puppy in the park. The guy had his dog off the leash and it was fine but as we passed by each other on the path his dog ran up to sniff my dog which I'd normal. I noticed the Shepard's fur raise up and I tried to get in between but the Shepard got around me and started attacking my dog. I got in between and picked up my dog and kicked the Shepard back as it was coming in. The owner started yelling at me for kicking his dog and blaming my dog for getting his all riled up. I told him to put the leash on his dog and get it the fuck away. He didn't kept telling at me that if I kicked his dog again he'd beat the shit out of me. I grabbed my dog and got out of there. After that my dog has been hesitant around other dogs. He's even snapped at some that come up to him because he's not sure what's going to happen.


pass-the-message

I'd say that is irresponsible on his part for having his dog unleashed in a regular park. Sorry that happened to your dog though. Maybe there are ways of resolving trauma like that (like searching for the right video on YouTube?).


improbablynotyou

I had a friend who wouldn't keep his dog on a leash (or even put a damn collar and tags on her.) He refused to accept that he needed to have control over his animal. The dog would run up to other peoples dogs and get in their faces and the other owners could only pull their dogs back. The dipshit moron friend would just say, "oh she's really friendly" and not realize other dogs may not be. He always had that, "animals should be free range" attitude. I stopped having anything to do with him when he decided he wanted a chinchilla and decided his mini dachshund would "realize it was a pet" and not hurt it. So he got the chin and didn't bother getting it a cage. It was dead less than five minutes after he brought it home. His dog rips through squeaky dog toys in less than a minute, dipshit was surprised his dog did the exact same thing to the chin.


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improbablynotyou

Dachshund were bred to be rat dogs, he's aware of that and yet didn't think his dogs natural instinct would kick in. As I said, any squeaky toy was shredded in minutes by her. I had watched his dog for a few days when he moved once and he kept asking me to let her see my guinea pigs. He had zero care about my pets, he just wanted to see what the dog would do. He never should have pets, he never took care of her properly. When I watched her she was infested with fleas, which spread to my cats. He was aware of bv it but didn't bother treating her because it was an inconvenience. When he first got her he didn't get her spayed, "it's cruel" he said. The first time she went into heat it drove him nuts so he went from vet to vet trying to find one that would spay her while she was in heat. He kept getting denied because it's not safe for the dog yet eventually found a place that did it. That was how he dealt with his dog, he only took care of issues when it became an annoyance for him.


MrMooMoo987

Imo there is hardly ever a reason to have your dog off leash in a public space. Especially when there (almost always) is signage telling you to leash your pet. Biggest fucking irritancy. You never know how well someone else’s dog is trained too.


thephant0mlimb

I found that if he's off the leash in a fenced in area he is more receptive and calm than on a leash. I am also right there with him to make sure he's okay. I have had a few instances where he's snapped and barked. Overall he's doing better but that incident definitely affected him.


vermillionskye

I believe that’s called “leash reactive” and has to do with feeling trapped by the leash in an uncertain situation. That may help with any searches or with discussing with a trainer for help. Sorry that happened to your pup!


HeyIJustSaid

My dog had a bad experience as a puppy with two black labs unleashed. Of course, the guy thought his dogs were great. My poor dog never recovered and has spent his whole life now avoiding people and dog parks because of idiots like that. Sorry.


garfnodie

Something similar happened to one of my parents mini schnauzers. Parents were out front letting him pee when the neighbors new fully grown, but still a puppy, unleashed German shepherd came running over and got really aggressive with my parents dog. Their mini schnauzer, who is 12lbs (5.4kg) fully grown, spent the first six months of his life with a pack of growing pitbull puppy, so it's not like he wasn't used to big dogs, but he's never been attached by one. My dad's never been afraid of even the biggest dogs and didn't hesitate to kick the big dog away, but their schnauzer has been afraid of big dogs every since.


McRibEater

Yeah, German Shepherd‘s are one of the Top. 10 smartest breeds of dogs. Interestingly enough Doberman‘s and Rottweiler‘s are also on that list. Just because a dog can be trained to be aggressive doesn’t mean they all are or that they’re aggressive inherently.


justme4433

You could’ve maybe charged him for threatening you? I mean it would be a win for you if he beats you up, he gets arrested, no one cares about a kicked dog, and you were protecting yourself. Sorry to hear, I can’t stand most large dog owners.


joyful-

fuck that guy, I would have punted the dog a second time if he wants to beat the shit out of me, he can try and also enjoy some jail time


n8Squatch

This is why people who off leash with no training, or in general, drive me nuts. It’s not about “oh MY dog won’t bite!” Your dog might be social, but other dogs might need more training and socialization. It’s also about how uncomfortable other dogs get when rushed because Floofy McMad-Energy gets excited and wants to meet every other dog. One bad exchange can permanently change the disposition of the dog around other animals and even people in an instant. Keep your dogs on a leash, people.


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Bross93

Man I'm sorry. I wonder if that person has had a bad experience with a German Shepard in the past? I always give a wide berth when walking my border collie fox hound mix, not because he bites or growls at people but because he really likes to stick his nose in people's business. Their business being their fucking crotch. Every. God. Damn. Time.


seansafc89

My dog was obsessed with people carrying bags. He HAD to look in the bag to see if there was anything for him (we think it was because we kept buying him a new toy pretty much every week). People (mainly kids, but also actual adults) running up and petting him without asking always really annoyed me though. Fortunately he loved everyone, but he was also 30kg and easily excited. He could knock kids over pretty quickly, and then suddenly I was the bad guy.


fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts

When I walked my mom's German shepherd, some stupid ass little kid started provoking the dog with a bunch of sudden movements to provoke a reaction, and the kid got barked at very loudly.


Sunrise_of_tomorrow

My Goldie does that too. He doesn’t mean anything bad by this but he won’t stop with it either lol


Bross93

Yeah it's like kinda sweet. I just roll with it a day "come on Ziggy, buy the guy dinner first" it gets a laugh one out of five times. He also will kiss our friends baby when she's walking and they fall over cause he licks with his whole fucking tongue. Do people usually find it funny? I've met the occasional person who gives angry grunts when he says hello


HoboGir

Maybe he's met my friend's. She's a derp and super loving...if she likes you. Other than that she will bite, even if she knows you, and has a couple. Never could figure out why, but pretty much she has high anxiety. Owner is super chill and super involved with training and exercise for her. She's been on doggie Zoloft for most of her life now due to it, and hiking is done on trails people rarely go on in the morning. Also, it developed later in life too, maybe around 2yrs. I know plenty of other GSDs that are absolutely amazing. My friend's is just a special case that I like to Snapchat her licking my face or my hand in her mouth to others that know and fear her.


LukeAriel

I have a ridgeback that developed anxiety at around 18 months or 2 years. Been through tons of training and support for the dog, but there are times where she just can't handle strangers or new situations. People who don't really understand dog behaviour mislabel it as aggression, when in reality it's just a huge fear response. It doesn't mean that her responses were taught or learned. Just means that sometimes the hat that the mail lady is wearing scares the shit out of her for no particular reason and she's convinced that she's now in a life or death scenario.


HeyIJustSaid

I have a ridgeback who is similar. Man, I love this dog. That said, I won’t make excuses. Even if it’s a fear response (and my dog’s vet file has “fear-aggressive” written in big letters on it), they are just dogs and people don’t deserve having to risk being bitten by them. I understand and respect strangers not wanting to deal with other peoples’ animals.


LukeAriel

I want to clarify that I'm not making excuses. However, when people see a dog with behaviours that they classify as "aggressive," they jump to an image of a stereotypical, frothing at the mouth "bad dog." And that's my main point. A dog that experiences a strong defensive fear reaction isn't a dog that's necessarily out to cause harm. Nonetheless, there's a significant social stigma attached to owning a reactive dog. I'm responsible- I muzzle my dog at the dog park and the vet (and she's been well muzzle trained so that she doesn't mind wearing it). She's spent tons of time in evidence-based classes to help manage social interactions that make her uncomfortable. Outside of the home she's always securely leashed. Introductions to new people are carefully monitored with plenty of positive reinforcement. At the same time, if she's wearing a muzzle in public, people assume that she's a biter or a 'bad/mean dog.' She's never bitten a person or another dog, though she'll bark and snap to warn people off. Yet if she's not muzzled, people feel entitled to approach her without asking permission. Neither of those characterizations are fair. There's room for both responsible approaches- the dog owner needs to ensure that their animal doesn't pose a risk to strangers, but strangers likewise need to practice appropriate etiquette with dogs they don't know. It's not an either/or, it's a both/and. Of course I can't allow my animal to cause anyone harm, which is why I have taken the safety steps listed above. But nobody has any right to approach or touch my dog without my consent either. I want to make this sort of stuff explicitly clear because there's more than enough Cesar Milan-esque, know-it-all redditors even in this post who are making claims like "Aggressive behaviours are all learned; it's the owner's fault if the dog exhibits those behaviours, or it experienced abuse in the past." And that's just not the reality. Not all dogs are the stereotype of the sweet golden retriever any more than all Canadians are polite.


Lance_stole_my_blood

I love ridgebacks. And one chased me down, knocked me off my bicycle, and took a chunk out of my calf. My theory is that it looked like a big turkey drumstick on a rotisserie. Anyway, it seemed so surprised by the successful take down that it immediately ran away! Still love ridgebacks.


LukeAriel

Hahaha that sounds about right. I've never met a dog as loyal to their owners and as unpredictable with strangers


pm_stuff_

fear can manifest as aggression behavior they are not mutually exclusive. Unprovoked attacks for example is aggressive behavior, it doesnt really matter if its due to a fear response or other reasons.


OneSmoothCactus

My parents have GSD with anxiety issues, and CBD actually helps a lot.


kindofjustbored

German Shepherds are amazing, but I hate when people act like they aren't capable of aggression. They were bred to be protective and work, so yes they have the potential to be aggressive. Even though they are cute, the breed should be respected and properly trained. If the guy said you need to muzzle her, shes probably already a big dog- just make sure you keep up with her training- an unruly adult german shepherd is a mess to live with.


Madhatter936

I have a gsd, an aggressive one. It was not taught. He spent most of his puppyhood going to the local riverwalk and being out in public. When he was around 6 months old, he changed. People and dogs he had met at the river were no longer his friends. It was an overnight tranformation. I'm not sure if my neighbors messed with him or if it was related to something else. We had intent to maybe stud him as he was always getting compliments, very obedient and extremely smart. When he turned aggressive, we had xrays on him to make sure it wasn't a joint issue. He didn't have the best looking hips and so we decided to neuter and not pass on his hips, but he never acted in discomfort. Just a story to remember that sometimes, you can do everything right and they can still have aggressive tendencies. I still take him on walks and such but I am way more alert to avoid people and dogs.


drcubes90

Did getting him fixed help?


Madhatter936

Unfortunately not, he does great with me but he sees himself as the beta in the house. Hes 8 years old now. Fortunately it seems more defensive than aggressive. I.e. my gate to my fence broke one day and my lab went wondering the neighborhood. My neighbor caught him for me as I was out of the house. He said my gsd just stood at the gate growling but never left the yard. I am so thankful for that as that could have been a very bad day. For reference my neighbor was part of the local sheriffs k9 division and said he felt comfortable that he was just guarding his territory. Nonetheless, it scared the mess out of us and we now have a top and bottom latch with locks to prevent this from happening again.


aaronitallout

What I got from this story is that you have a really solid neighbor


Hidesuru

Seriously.


dksdragon43

Honestly everyone in that story is top notch. Taking preventative measures, caring for their dogs as best as possible, understanding the dangers and avoiding conflict. Good folks all around.


princesscarolynsdad

The whole alpha/beta thing with dogs and wolves is based on a poorly conducted study that has been debunked. There is no evidence that such a relationships exists.


frankenbean

I thought the myth was that it occurred in the wild. The alpha-male pack structure was observed ~~and~~ in captivity and extrapolated to the wild, but wolves in the wild just associate with their friends and family. Happy to be corrected by someone with a link/more info...


princesscarolynsdad

I just posted some article links in another comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalsBeingDerps/comments/o0cjil/yesterday_on_one_of_our_walks_a_gentleman_gave_us/h1v78x9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) I’ll add that the original study that developed the alpha dog theory studied a group of wolves from the wild that previously had no relationship with each other. These ones did use aggression and domination to achieve authority. The significant thing about that is that most wolves, whether in the wild or in captivity, show more of a guardian like relationship when they are with their own pack. Basically, if the wolves know each other they act closer to how a family would.


Zeddit_B

Was going to say this. OP of this comment thread may want to look into that.


Sixwingswide

While I remember seeing the same thing, is dominance/submissiveness not still a thing? Like this is still actual observed behavior aside from the story that started the terminology. Not 100% but still relevant in some cases?


RentFree323

Like people, some animals are just assholes. I had a Corgi who got along with everyone... except puppies. He _haaaated_ puppies.


vermillionskye

My last corgi was a grumpy old man too. Those whippersnappers needed to get off his lawn!


Almighty_Sand_Dollar

Bully corgi


peregrinaprogress

This happened to us with our GSD. He was fun and silly and derpy and super smart and we taught him 30+ commands. Gave him solid exercise 3x a day. Socialization and obedience school. No issues until 6 months and he started becoming aloof towards strangers when out walking. Then he snapped at our niece who was in a calm and controlled space with us. Niece did everything right, and fortunately since we were right there to monitor, she was not bit. Pretty soon I had to muzzle when going out and use leads that went over his nose too so I could physically control him when out on walks. We eventually had to rehome him to a rural property so he didn’t live in a state of heightened anxiety, and for us to have the liability of a loose canon in our house with kids, friends with kids, etc. Later, I found out that half of his litter developed social anxieties and aggression around the 6 month mark as well.


Madhatter936

We've considered rehoming to a farm or a family friend who is very introverted and does a lot of back country hiking. We worry how they(new family) will respond should he go after lifestock or other animals. He is currently living a happy life in my opinion and we know the risk he presents so we try and act accordingly. I am currently building a wooden fenced run with no gaps to be his sanctuary when we have people over. With regards to immediate family, we have a 2 year old who we regularly work him with. If he wants to play fetch, I make him return the toy to my son and let my son try his best to throw it. Currently my son, can call him and make him sit but I think part of this is my presence. For the most part he watches from a distance. I did see him chase off a squirrel that was walking towards my son so I'm hoping he realizes he is part of the pack.


peregrinaprogress

Good luck! Sounds like you’ve at least got some good space for him. We adore the breed and it was so heartbreaking to give him up, but he bonded well with the new owners and is helpful to them in guarding their property. We tried to be extremely transparent with all of his anxieties and triggers and since they keep to themselves, it has been okay. We always thought that once we had kids he would have protected them fiercely, so we were far more concerned with friends coming over or just living in a neighborhood with people everywhere.


Tea_Is_My_God

I had a chocolate lab, exact same situation. Was great and social up to about 1 year. Then he started nipping people, then biting. It was nearly never provoked in any way. People would be playing with or petting him and he'd be happy one second, then just turn. He full on attacked me in the middle of the night when he was about 2.5 and after that, he alas had to go. I think people need to be respectful of others when walking their dogs. If you don't feel he needs a muzzle, ok fair enough, but they should always be on a leash.


Madhatter936

He stays on a leash and I usually have a muzzle with me as well as an electronic collar if we are on public lands. The only time he is off leash is at our 40 acres which used to be a cow pasture so it has low fence on most of it but is now a wooded area with trails. He does very well but I always worry about a kid trespassing. Occasionally we see deer or other animals and he knows he can chase them but heel means heel.


Bowmakri

We had adopted a pup from the shelter and was told he got along with other dogs. He NEVER got along with other dogs when we had him. We knew this and we’re okay with it. We just kept him on a leash and away from other pups. He was and always will be my favorite dog. He was great with people and kids, just didn’t like other dogs.


tim_jamal

Shit my dog is like this. He absolutely hates other dogs despite constantly being around other dogs for his first year


Superducks101

We have a gsd. Extremely smart. We took him everywhere as a puppy to socialize. He just isnt a cuddly dog. If hes out in the yard with a ball in his mouth(like a pacifier) hes good. He is extremely high drive. But if we go out we dont let anyone pet him. Hes just not a fan. Our german wirehair pointer on the other hand is the most aggressive cuddler there is. Will physically try to get as close as possible and is happy as a clam. Wants to be friends with everyone.


Reacher-Said-N0thing

I have heard this story 3 times, always with GSDs. happy lovely dogs for 10 years, then one day, it just changes and becomes violent.


Zeddit_B

Don't blame it on your neighbors messing with him, some dogs have extra reactive genes. My parents rescued a couple of pups that were apparently children of a fighting dog (they got tricked into adopting siblings... that's a whole other story). The girl turned out fine, but the boy, as soon as he hit puberty (was even neutered), he got very territorial and reactive, even with people he had previously been okay with.


drdookie

I know someone who is nervous around german shepherds because they got bit in the stomach as a child by one. You never know.


Reddotgaming760

Just remember - always have a leash on your dog in public. It doesnt matter if hes well trained, it is still an animal. It may not hurt someone directly, but it may run out into the street for some reason and cause a massive car crash.


wikishart

Every dog owner thinks their rare lovely pupper is completely harmless. I've seen people say this while their dog is bristling from neck to nail barking and shaking saliva all over while it's doing it, clearly agitated and ready to attack or defend. I was severely mauled by a German Shepherd as a child, in this exact situation. Basically frozen on my feet with a dog going all psychotic and the owner saying awww widdle rover wouldn't hurt anything don't worry. As soon as I turned to leave the dog went after me and attacked. So, honestly dog owners, you have your PoV of your pet who acts one way when they are with you but there is no guarantee that they are going to act that way with people they do not regard as part of your family. Yes German Shepherds can be dangerous, if they want to be. If yours isn't then great. But it doesn't mean the asshole down the street's dog is not psychotic. This is like saying my gun is properly stored and taken care of and I have completed firearms training and am a responsible owner therefore guns are not dangerous. Maybe not dangerous to you or your house but change the environment and everything is possible. The person saying muzzle it probably encountered some bad behaved German Shepherds. You need to understand that not all dogs have the same temperament and not all dogs have uniform temperament.


Heisenbread77

I always love it when the owner of a clearly agitated dog says, "don't worry he doesn't bite." Yeah, doesn't bite you! Doesn't mean it won't bite my ass!


Tytoalba2

I had one dog owner telling me : "Ho he doesn't bite! Except children... And people who go near my car... Or people who walk behind him..."


S5704LP

Yea the ol’ “don’t worry he’s friendly!” Really?! You should see him from my angle!


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Rogersgirl75

I have a friend who had the most chill German shepherd ever. However, one day her mom was playing with him, and when he went to grab the toy, accidentally bit her mother’s finger off. Clean off. She took it to the hospital and told them she cut it while cooking so they didn’t investigate the dog. I think she got it reattached , but this was a long time ago and I’m not still in contact with the friend. My point is, that even though these dogs can be chill as hell, they’re still dangerous animals, people. Personally I wouldn’t put a baby or toddler in their way. No matter how calm you think the dog is. They are capable of hurting people on accident, or may get aggressive with toddlers or children that don’t understand how to properly give dogs space and to be gentle. Your dog may be sweet, but they are still dangerous. And some German shepherds *are* aggressive and terrible, just like some Chihuahuas are the incarnation of Satan. The difference is that your dog is big and powerful enough to be a real threat. This post gives off real “*my* angel daughter would never be the school bully“ energy (as your daughter wrecks some other middle schoolers life with bullying). Sometimes kids are cruel. Maybe not your kid, but don’t act like it’s not a potential. Sometimes dogs are aggressive. Maybe not yours, but again, don’t act like it’s not a potential.


Kentaaa_

I can't believe I had to scroll down so much to see this kind of comment. Just because your dog is acting all nice and good around you doesn't mean that something won't set him off suddenly. German Shepards are big and strong dogs, it's not easy to hold them down when they're trying to bite someone. I think the comment from the passer by was very understandable and I don't really know why everybody is acting as if it's unreasonable.


LinkIsThicc

This. OP sounds real fucking entitled.


voteferpedro

As a former paper carrier, I don't trust GSD's and Goldens. Both tend to view you as prey when they get loose. I along with 3 other carriers in our area were bit by these specific breeds when they got loose in our neighborhoods.


ishkaaa

Might be a derp, but doesn't mean she's not dangerous. A "derpy" rottweiler bit and broke my cats back last year, killing her. Completely unnecessary and preventable death.The owner swore she'd only ever been a friendly dog, and took that as a reason to be a little less careful than necessary. I believe her about her dog, but I'm also telling you - as a person who loves and has trained dogs - you don't know your dog as well as you think that you do.


alnarra_1

> A "derpy" rottweiler bit and broke my cats back last year, killing her. See this is why I don't let other people bring their animals into my house


GregIsUgly

Omg, but I took one cute picture of them once so therefore they'll always be nice!!1 ^/s


dennis45233

You should still train your dog tho, especially when you have a German shepherd they are extremely smart


_Bob_A_Feet_

Everyone assumes their dog is an angel till it isn't. I don't blame the guy for wanting to keep distance, but they don't need to be a prick about it either.


beccapenny

My old house mate had an Akita X German Shepherd. She the softest, sweetest dog to people but unfortunately hated other dogs as she hadn't been properly socialised as a pup. She was muzzled and always on a lead when out.


flogginmama

I was once walking my roommate’s little harmless shih tzu Daisy..... which couldn’t intimidate a gopher if she tried, let alone scare an adult human (or so I thought). As we walked along the trail, a very in-shape, buffed out, chiseled dude in his early 30’s rounded the bend of the trail, saw daisy, ran 20 ft ***off*** the trail into the bushes, through the trees and far away to avoid her, then eventually back on the trail, and 50 yards past us now, looked back to make sure Daisy wasn’t hunting him. Some people just do NOT like ***any*** type of dog.


mene3381

I have a 1 year old German shepherd that was rehomed to us a few months back. I was expecting a stoic, badass, faithful companion who would always have my back. What I got was an absolute doofus who is scared of his own shadow and has never even shown any degree of concern about a person, let alone aggression. Worst guard dog I ever could have imagined, but I do love him


Sauerteig

I have no problem with dogs, I have them, nor do I have a problem with someone who might be fearful of them. Perhaps this gentleman had a bad experience with a German Shepherd or a large dog in general. Something to consider perhaps before jumping on the "my baby is an angel", and the "anyone who doesn't like my dog is an asshole" bandwagon. His reaction was likely based on his experiences, you could just respect that.


SammyMhmm

GSDs are very territorial and protective breeds, so it's very likely he's had some bad run ins. My sister was bitten by a GSD down the street at a house she was constantly visiting. Every dog is different, but it is true some breeds are more likely to be aggressive than others, my only issue with the post is that if the dog was properly harnessed/leashed, there should be no reason for someone to approach another dog owner and guilt trip them about muzzling an animal. If the animal is under appropriate control there is no issue with what breed they chose.


TooStupidToPrint

„My dog is an angel and would never do something like that“ - owners of dogs who do exactly that moments before


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BKBroiler57

My wife was just commenting how nice it is to go on walks and have people get out of her way as she was walking this 100lb monster of a German shepherd we dog sit occasionally. He’s the sweetest dog I’ve ever met that could kill me in 3 seconds flat.


Apple_The_Chicken

I’m not saying this puppy is a threat, but I’ve seen a lot of cases on TV where German Shepherds have seriously injured some people, yet their owners claimed they were peaceful. When he grows, he should have a muzzle


UndoingMonkey

I love all the comments saying "_My_ German shepherd is chill, so all of them are".


fuckyousquirtle

He was out of line for saying you needed to use a muzzle, but I wish people wouldn’t let their dogs—even small dogs—hang out with them on their front lawn with no leash. I’m not even afraid of dogs, but it’s not fair to others to make them wonder if the unrestrained dog 20 feet from them is the 1 in 1000 that’s going to become aggressive. It doesn’t matter if *you* know that Fido is harmless. Other people don’t know that.


whoosh_is_my_fetish

Taking pictures of your dog when they are alone with you lying on the ground with no reason to be aggressive does not and should not make people think that's how your dog usually is. ​ This post is absolutely pointless.


FroggieBabbie

When we people understand 🤦‍♀️ ALL dogs have the ability to be aggressive and dangerous, but it's almost always the humans around them that make them so. *Also, I hear WAY more stories about small dogs causing some sort of damage or fear than the big ones, so yeah 🤷‍♀️


daemarti

People are stupid. Had a guy tell us our Doberman was a devil dog and would eat us one night while we sleep. 🙄


mentalmommy0003

Any dog can be aggressive. A lot of the time the problem is with the owner. Idiots that want dogs but not the responsibility of raising and training one.


nitrobamtastic

I'm fine with pretty much any breed if they are on a leash...I can't stand owners who don't use a leash and just let their dogs roam 500ft in front of them.


CurseofLono88

I have a German shepherd (with a small amount of boxer mixed in) and she’s an absolute sweetheart and total derp as well. But she can turn it on in a second if she needs too. She actually saved my cat from a pack of coyotes last weekend. It was a very harrowing situation. Luckily she alerted me and all parties came away relatively unscathed. But until I owned a GSD I was wary of them as well. They shouldn’t be muzzled but they’re very smart and can be aggressive and it just takes awareness as an owner about your dog’s temperament and current mood


zeus0225

As someone who has had to train cute, but reactive pups, I love it when strangers give us space. I prefer these people over people who automatically assume a dog wants pats and attention. I am also of the opinion that muzzles, when used properly, aren't bad and should be normalized. Check out the muzzle up project to learn more.


MammonStar

I’m afraid of them, personally.


Whtzmyname

I am deathly afraid of german sheperds. No idea why. If I see one I walk further away or opposite side. I am sure they are super sweet and kind. They are beautiful dogs too. I dont know how to get rid of this fear though.


svtr

Well, to be fair here, a german sheppard is a serious animal. It's an animal the owner needs to threat with respect, and dedicate quite some time in the education of the dog. Please note, that in no way I am insinuating that you don't. Also, at the end of the day, you might have to put a muzzle on her. Just takes some bad luck, some kids throwing rocks at her, someone running her over with a bike, shit like that. If she is still young, she could end up with fearing children, or cyclists, for the rest of her life. Which could end up to be potentially dangerous. But well, that's not to likely, and german sheppards are extremly smart animals. Good upbringing, and you won't have a problem I'm sure. On the otherside of the equation, well, there are people that are afraid of dogs. If you don't, know the behavior, can't judge their stance, its easy to be afraid of a large dog (or one to grow into a big one). Ps.: how old is she? I'm guessing 4ish months? Ours grew to 45kg of pure muscle, he could be a lot less cute when he chose to. Usually at night when my mom was out with him for a walk, he didn't let anyone get close he didn't know at night. There is a reason to respect such dogs, and without knowing how a dog behaves, respect turns to fear.


Ocazou90

"my dog is too cute to be handled properly" FTFY


why0me

Oh man I'm bout to get downvoted but... How old was he? And what ethnicity?You dont know if that dude is scared of German Shepherds for good reason. They were used against jews in the holocaust and anyone not white in the 60s, theyre still used against people today..you might literally be shaming someone for trauma.


paradox8493

Some real bullshit. There’s a reason they’re used as police dogs. They can switch from “work mode” to “relaxed” easily. I saw a demonstration in person. (It was a drug sniffing dog, not one specifically trained to attack or anything. Though I think they also know how to do that, since it’s not their main thing, that one wasn’t remotely aggressive.) You could pet it until they said the command word for “Work!” (Which might’ve been “work,” idr) And I’m pretty sure you could pet them again after they switched back. My memory sucks so maybe they actually warned us not to right away? Idr. Either way, very safe. Also, if anyone has seen PITBULLS WITH BABIES, a dog that IS actually SLIGHTLY more aggressive inherently, they can be extremely well behaved if the owner isn’t a total moron. It’s kind of like they’re a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle instead of one that’s only 800. User error is the biggest issue.


Honda_TypeR

It's best never to get too complacent or overconfident, just like with human's they can be unpredictable, moody or scared unless they have been trained and are highly disciplined in their duties (again, just like people). A muzzle is a way too much, especially if a dog does not have hyper aggressive tendencies. That person obviouisly is just scared of the breed. However, a leash is important when in a large public area or if you don't have a fence in your yard... even if your dog has never shown aggression even once. 9.999 times out of 10 they will be chill if raised in a good balanced home with someone taking the alpha role, but they are highly pack/herd loyal and if they have a perception that someone is different, they can get uncharacteristically aggressive (even if you never saw the behavior before even once). It can be as little as the way a person is standing, or starring at them or even the way they physically look. That is when you want to have a leash to stop something bad from happening when you least expect it. Keep in mind this dog was bred to be a sheep herder and a defender of the herd. Their herding skills is why they can be so gentle/loving at times (it can make people assume it's a gentle breed 100%). However, they are a sheep herding dog and defense is part of their job. If they suddenly feel like the herd is threatened, they will jump into aggression mode without hesitation. Not because they are naturally aggressive, but because they are hyper defensive/loyal... they are doing their job. It's part of who they are just like being gentle around the herd is also part of their job. Not taking who they are seriously is the kind of stuff can end up with people getting bit and calling the cops, you getting sued and possibly your pet being put down though (which is a nightmare). All just because the dog was defending the pack (in their mind). While extensive training can beat breed temperament, most people don't do heavy obedience training on their dog (I mean extensive obedience training, not basic commands). Most people don't have the money to hire training on that level (and it can take years) or the time/know-how to invest in training like that. German shepherds can be extremely extremely obedient when trained on that level (they are among the best breeds for this in fact). There are German Shepherd's with this level of training that are sold on the higher end of $450,000 dollars for VIPs (just for perspective on how insanely expensive training on that level can be). They are nearly robotic in their obedience. They walk only when you walk, they do anything you say on command (of their learned set of commands) and never once anything by themselves unless told. It's basically a guard dog version of a seeing eye dog (same investment of time and not all dogs make it into the program, not all dogs can take to obedience training at that level) I know that's a bit too much intensity for "family" pet, but with training like that you do not need a leash. A regular German Shepard should have a leash when out in public though. It's best to ere on the side of caution even if you 100% trust your dog. You have to protect them from society, just as much as they are willing to protect you.


pmkitten

As a veterinary nurse and someone who sees a LOT of dog breeds, I gotta say shepherds are by far my least favorite. They may be good at home but in the clinic? Nutcases. If they arn’t anxious nightmares, they’re incredibly aggressive. Everytime I see one on the schedule I cringe lol. I can manhandle a chihuahua (who are generally really nice they have a bad rep. Its the yorkies you gotta watch) not so much the shepherds. This is also coming from a maaajor cat lover so take it as you will. I physically shutter at the sight of shepherds :’)


mummymozzie69

Any dog can be dangerous if the owner is a jerk. The irony is more people are attacked and bitten every year by Dachshunds than any other breed. I can't believe that the guy felt threatened by a puppy. My friend has a 7 year old German shepherd and she is scared of her own shadow. If another dog barks at her she still tries to jump into his arms like she did as a puppy.


Raining_Sideways

This! Today we got the classic passive aggressive comment from another dog walker about having been “attacked” by shepherd before, after he divined the aggression in my 5 month old sweetheart cuddle suck of a Shepard pup from half a block away. I’m not sure what’s more unbelievable: how many people in my neighbourhood have been horribly attacked by shepherds, or how many people in my neighbourhood think it’s alright to walk and up play some weird ass guilt trip on a perfect stranger.


lusiphur13

Hoomans are usually the dumbest animals. Beautiful girl


crazykt21

Humans are much more dangerous and unpredictable!


intricatefirecracker

GSDs tend to be pretty neurotic and prone to resource guarding and possession issues. I'm not super fond of them either. They are dogs for experienced owners.


KumquatRadical

Unfortunately I haven't met a GSD or similar dog that was well-managed by their owner. The ones in my neighborhood are extremely aggressive and their owners barely have a grip on them. My husband had a little dog that was killed by one - both leashed, just passing on the sidewalk, and the GSD bit her on the back and punctured her lungs. She died on the way to the vet. As much as I like all dogs, GSDs and pitbulls included, I just can't take the risk with my dogs who are small and couldn't hold their own against one. I'll go to great lengths to avoid them in the park. I wish there was a muzzle requirement for clearly aggressive dogs.


Hickawa

My old dog Maze was a Rescue from a dogfighting ring. She only gets walked late at night and I have a harness that is attached to a belt and I hold a chain lead. It's very comfortable for her. This one time a group of teenagers was outside a little past midnight (15-17?). Without asking two of them just walked up to me and her. She didn't growl or bark or anything but as soon as I noticed them I told them to back up because I was caught off guard and was trying to wrap her head around my hand. I guess they didn't hear me or ignored me because the kid just tries to pet her and almost lost a few fingers. It is important to teach your kids not to approach a dog without talking to the owner. My baby girl was a very fucking dangerous dog. Other dogs have problems two. Plenty of rescues I have had have problems with kids. Got poked in the eye after clumsy pets. Territory and toy hording problems. It's on the owner to keep there dog in check but it's also on everyone else to know how to approach a dog. Regardless of how adorable.


System777

As a guy that was fucked up by a “cute” german shepherd when I was 6 years old, cut the other guy some slack, he doesn’t know you or your dog and you never know what bad experience he could’ve had with a similar dog.


unstannyvalley

A German Shepherd latched onto my Sister's face when she was 8. Even after two sessions of plastic surgery, she had a ten inch scar on her face. So cute.


JneedsaBRA

I have a GSD mix. I remember when we got her as a puppy EVERYONE had an opinion about how we should raise and train her. We were told to get prong collars, shock collars, etc. because she would become big and unruly. We signed a contract with the rescue we adopted her from that we would only use positive reinforcement training and not use any of the methods everyone else was telling us to use. We were also really deliberate about socializing her with all sorts of people of different ages, genders, ethnicities, etc. and with other dogs. My dog is 65lbs of pure submission. She loves other dogs and it’s indifferent to people (she likes to give them a sniff, but generally if you’re not a child she doesn’t really care if you pet her or not). She was attacked almost two years ago by our neighbor’s off leash shitzu. I wound up calling animal control because while this was the first time their dog had attacked ours it wasn’t the first time it had been off leash and left their property. After I told the animal control officer what happened over the phone, she asked me what kind of dog I have. GSD mix. She paused and asked me if my dog had looked in the mirror lately. Nope, she has zero concept that she’s an “aggressive breed” or that she could easily have killed the neighbors dog if she didn’t have the personality and temperament that she does. (Also why it’s so important for your dog to be on leash even on your own property! Your dog might be friendly, and mine is, but what if she wasn’t?)