By - Vord_Loldemort_7
Do what you want, leave me and the government out of it
You’re late, I’m not paying for those
Pretty sure that’s exactly how freedom works.
Never thought I’d see the guy making a meme from every line in Spider-Man here. Small world.
With that being said, any infringement on any personal liberty or right is gonna make me put dirt in your eye.
Being trans doesn't violate the NAP. People can do whatever they want. That's the libertarian take. Anything beyond that like compelled speech laws starts moving toward authoritarianism.
>Being trans doesn't violate the NAP
Being transphobic doesn't either
Correct, as long as you don’t harass others. The second you start to harass someone it is a violation of the NAP. This counts for any reason.
Threatening violates the NAP. Shaming and criticism does not violate the NAP.
>Threatening violates the NAP.
\*A credible threat
Otherwise people will call literally anything a threat, even some tweets.
So who determines what a credible threat is?
If it’s something serious like doxxing or there’s evidence of conspiracy to murder/injure; it’s a credible threat
threatening to wind someone's tendons into a knot? not credible
threatening to shoot someone? credible threat
Yes, but it's still a dick move, and people can shame and criticize you for it too
Thats fine, but that has nothing to do with the discussion of NAP and voluntarist philosophy.
Being a dick isn’t illegal
Pretty sure we’ll have mandatory castrations soon enough. So dicks will be illegal in that case
Voluntarist philosophy is a very inclusive philosophy in that it encourages culture and societal norms to solve societal problems instead of an unlimited set of inflexible rules/laws for every social situation...
Shame has a stronger connection with PTSD than guilt and PTSD is an injury.
Public criticism on the other hand is the purpose of 1A.
You could argue that public criticism is shaming but that's a slippery slope since the two serve different purposes.
So does that also go for the suck the dick bigot types?
XY = He/Him
XX = She/Her
Anything else is madness.
Easier to go by how people present themselves. I've got no reason to start shit with a stranger over things that have zero impact on my life. I'd much rather have pleasant interactions than constant friction. If someone's pronouns don't fit within that I'll probably just avoid the whole thing. Attention seeking nonsense can get fucked.
What about calling everyone "he" regardless of gender. That seems less mad than having two different sets of pronouns
Abolishing gender? Based as fuck.
"hi I go by she/her"
Oh my god, what madness, the sky is falling, it's so damn complicated
Amen. Trains terrify me.
This is offensive for autistic people who like trains /s
As an autist, like any true libertarian/ancap, I agree
If you're transphobia starts impacting someone's freedom and rights, then it does. The whole point is to not give a fuck what someone else is doing as long as they aren't bothering anyone else...
Says anime pfp
No, just an asshole.
Thank you! *hugs*
I think there’s a solid argument that trans is a mental condition and “doctors” shouldn’t mutilate the perfectly healthy bodies of untreated mental patients.
Same goes if I said I identify as a pirate…is it right for a “doctor” to cut off my leg and hand for a peg leg and a hook hand? I don’t think so. I think that’s a clear and egregious breach of the NAP that and advantage of the delusional.
The line is when you start forcing it onto children though. Forcing children to take hormones or even to simply question their sexuality and give them that mental stress violates the NAP.
I mean Rothbard says we should be able to sell our children. Why not help them get the surgeries and hormone therapies they are literally asking for?
If a kid asks for a gun do you give them one? Most cases of transgenderism go away after puberty and the brain rights itself. Why would you want a kid that has a hard time picking out what meal to have in the evening if they should fuck up their body for the rest of their life.
Affirmation is for when you're an adult.
I’m not sure what’s going on
Pro gamer move
The original version of this flag already defends trans rights, people...
The point is to piss off people who believe it didn't.
Good. They should be pissed off. Fuck anyone who wants to be on the side of liberty but also tell people who they “have to” be.
As long as your identity doesn’t require my participation, I couldn’t care less what you are.
It’s been coopted by right wing authoritarians, this one is less likely to be stolen and more likely to be welcome among the lgbt community which now probably associates the original Gadsden flag with people that support anti lgbt policies
All I see is a snek with Auth Left and Auth Right coloring on it.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that thought about PCM when seeing this
I was really fucking confused by the comments and also almost started telling EVERYONE to flair up assholes!
That sub has broken my brain in so many ways
I came for the memes. Stayed for the conversation.
How is the existence of trans people Auth right or Auth left? Just because Auth left says they're in our corner doesn't mean we're inherently part of the Auth left. Most are, but not automatically. Trust me, some of us hate those motherfuckers more than you.
Get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head
I can't believe one of us hasn't made this into a PCM post yet.
If you made this “no step on snek” instead it’d be way better
The flag enables you to do as you want. You want to be a girl a boy or an alien go for it but that also means people don’t have to call you by special pronouns or do anything to suit your new identity. Freedom to do as one wishes is a two way street.
Thank you Xa’xm.
Do whatever you want. Leave me alone. Just because I don’t call you she/they or whatever doesn’t mean I’m “treading” on you.
Are trans people based on that identiy actually being threatened by the state in any way?
Socially, of course you have people who want to do harm to them, but that's similar to other groups - people want to harm people based on race or sexual orientation.
I completely agree with you that the government infringes on people's rights, which is why we should abolish it.
ITT: OP and the commentors are having two different conversations.
I think there is a lotof common ground to be had here. But everyone is focusing on being devisive...
It's a classic motte-and-bailey. OP has no point without needing two different ideas to be conflated with each other.
Don't tread on my ability to ignore your special pronouns.
Gun rights are trans rights.
Property rights are trans rights.
Economic liberation is queer liberation.
A trans person and a cis person should have the exact same rights. I don't know what "trans rights" are even supposed to be. Everyone has a right to change their name or gender, take the meds, or whatever.
This snake is definitely harmless.
That snake is fruity looking.
I want my transgender neighbors to be able to protect their marijuana plantation with military grade guns
So fucking based dude
That's the point. But ppl here seems to be kinda concerned about that...
people here are republicans who'd fly the Gadsden flag next to the american pro-cop flag with a blue line in it, maybe that's why.
100% - it’s so sad to see what this sub has become
You can cut your dicks off I don´t care as long as you don´t try to cut other peoples dicks off, without their consent.
And I sure as hell don´t support the government subsidizing your transition.
The original flag already represented this.
Do whatever the hell you want. Just leave me and my kids out of it.
Of course, you dont need to be trans or gay or anything to call yourself a libertarian.
But a way too common critique of Anarcho Captialists, and too often a justified one at that, is that its just some sort of conservatism in disguise.
That being said, its nice to see people putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to personal freedoms and its good to see the subreddit take a stand against one of its negative stereotypes.
I’ll never understand most of the LGBTQ stuff, but till I die I will support your freedom to do as you please with your body as long as you’re an adult
People like you give me hope
Based as fuck
Except when they try to make it a crime to address someone by their "incorrect" pronoun under the guise of "Violence". Do what you want, I don't have to like it, and I won't, and I have the freedom to think you are stupid for mutilating your body and changing your hormonal structure.
I have the freedom to say you are a science denier, but I will not deny your humanity as a person. Just that you're wrong
I don’t care if you are trans but this is the type of shit that pisses me off. This goes for everything though, so including religion among other things, I don’t care what you do in your life, what you believe in, but just leave me and others the fuck alone and don’t shove your views down my throat. I don’t care.
Freedom of speech motherfucker
Freedom of speech is not the freedom to shove your opinions down people’s throats.
“The liberty of one citizen ends where the liberty of another citizen begins.” -Victor Hugo
Freedom to be a cunt
Idk why you're being downvoted. You are free to be a dick as long as you're not harassing people. He has a right to call me whatever he wants, but in turn I have a right not to associate with him.
I do not associate with the tiggers fuckers always bouncing around like a kangaroo.
Isn’t this a political sub?
They’re AnCaps, part of the prerequisite for the ideology is neither liking nor understanding politics.
For real. They can change and live in their version of reality. When they start demanding others to indulge in it that violates the other’s liberty.
Can't it be both?
> They can change and live in their version of reality. When they start demanding others to indulge in it that violates the other’s liberty.
The gall to say this while being an Ancap lmao
I swear you are all the most Un-capitalist and pro-authority pieces of work I’ve ever seen. Anarcho Capitalism is about making money without a government. If you feel offended right now then you probably have morals and morals have no place in an Anarcho-Capitalist society your just another Republican and at best your a Paleolibertarian if you want to feel special.(Not you OP)
Anarchy isn't necaessrily about no morals, just no heirarchies
Why does free speech piss you off?
How is this ‘shoving’ anything down your throat? Maybe you should stop opening it.
Guess what, the trans people also want to be left alone, genius.
Not all of them, some of them want to have you fired and arrested for using the wrong pronouns.
If I have to correctly choose your subjective 1 out of infinity genders or lose my place in society, then it’s not you that’s being tread on, it’s me.
The trans movement in its entirety is authoritarian. Coercion or cancelled- those are my options. Fuck off with this post.
I'm just going to say this.
There's a movie called Swordsman 2 starring Jet Li. The main antagonist is a warlord named Master Asia who decides to become a woman to gain more power and then Jet Li falls in love with him/her.
Very good movie actually. But it points to something that never is really discussed.
It's ok to be trans.
What kind of creepy colored snake is that
Doesn’t the original already include everyone?
Yeah, but this is just to piss off some dumbasses, and to kinda remind them that it already did, and that by supporting what the other flag meant, they'd be supporting what this flag means.
Nice flag 👍
You “trans” people have the right to do what ever you want just like any other person. You aren’t being treaded on when people don’t call you by your “real” gender. Children should not be able to go through HRT therapy or whatever it is that transitions people. Children do not have the emotional maturity to make such an impactful decision. Just because “Steve” down the street keeps misgendering you doesn’t mean you live in an oppressive, cruel society.
Lmao at putting Steve in quotation marks
gotta love how this single image has sent you down a self-dug rabbithole of transing the kids.
I just saw some people that advocated for children being able to go through HRT. I just think that’s too far.
\> posts something about personal freedoms on a supposedly personal freedom centered subreddit.
\>subreddit goes bat shit.
nice one, OP. doing gods work lol.
This is why r/free_market_anarchism was made, because this place is filled with magatards who have self-deluded themselves into thinking they support liberty
Gotta love the hypocrisy
Freedoms for me but not for thee
What freedom dont i have?
Lmao at how hard OP is dodging you 😂
This is obviously a very touchy subject judging by the comments (and society as a whole) but if you could clarify OP I think it would be much better, I could understand the reasoning of you know, being against the murdering of trans people and needless violence against them but I also understand those who do not wish to be forced to "play pretend" (not my words) with trans people or adhere to the ever expanding agenda of pronouns. If you had only clarified what you meant this shitshow of comments probably could have been avoided.
Yeah I didn’t realize I needed to spell it out for some people
Have you read the comments? 🤣🤣🤣
It's a motte-and-bailey. Fuck off, commie.
This is cringe, but not wrong
I'll take it
No step on snek
I believe in everyone doing what makes them happy but don’t be upset when I call what is biologically a man a man. That being said if I have to interact with this person I’ll humor them and use the pronouns that make them happy.
This is cool. If you're not gonna be understanding, it's important to at least be respectful.
Respect is something that needs to given to everyone unless what they’re doing is causing harm to others, which none of the LGBTQ+ crowd is harmful
Why the fuck are people downvoting you.
As long as you don’t make me love you or care, then it’s fine with me.
This is a great policy
I love that a real life human being believes abolishing all labour laws will bring on a Utopia but also thinks that someone asking to be called something different is a delusional fantasy.
Nah, gtfo pedo
I like this flag and the message it represents, but I hate how poorly the colors contrast, although the snake itself is pretty cute. I’ll give it a 7/10.
magatards here might not like this one
The anger is palpable
They don't, this comments section is an active warzone.
If you don't believe in trans rights, you don't believe in liberty.
This person gets it
I don't believe in transgenderism.
Thus I can't believe in trans rights by default.
how can you not believe in transgenderism? that's like not believing in hair replacement
Username checks out
Yeah I know, I’m a cisgender guy
You mean a guy?
A guy who isn't trans, so yes, a guy.
You're a cissy?
Based post, cringe comments
Who indoctrinated you with this bullshit. Compelled speech laws at the behest of these people is the opposite of personal freedom.
So you're immediately assuming that because OP posted a Gadsen flag with a trans snake, they're "indoctrinated" and apparently support compelled speech laws?
Why does everyone jump on the "hurr durr all trans people are authoritarian statists" train? I've met quite a lot of libertarian trans people who are against this.
Live and let live. Nothing wrong with whatever people want as long as it isn’t impacting you.
I'll always try to call a trans person by their preferred pronouns and I'll stand up for their human rights (actual rights, not "muh free health are"), because I'm polite and that's what one does in polite society.
But I will never actually believe them. I won't make myself see them as that actual gender unless the transition is very well done. I will still consider them to be their biological sex and I will never consider them to actually be their preferred gender. I just won't make myself believe something that I genuinely don't believe.
But like I said I'll still be polite, treat them like a genuine human being and use their preferred pronouns out of politeness. And as long as they treat me with the same respect I'll continue to do so (yes it is conditional). Respect me and I'll respect you.
This snake looks soooo cute!!! <3
I love snakes they're adorable
I love how this sub is the conservative right-wing version of r/libertarian. y'all f\*ckers are sorry af.
r/libertarian is to commies what r/Anarcho_Capitalism is to trumpians
Cope and dilate conservatives.
The snake should be snake colored. Snake colored snakes, in this context, represent the primacy of the individual over the collective, to include boy snakes who dress like girl snakes. All snakes have rights is the central fucking point.
Gotta say, u/muxxer is out here giving well thought out rebuttals and calling people on their hypocrisy, fantastic work my dude, keep it up.
It’s always funny when people post things with trans related colors, because so many here can’t help but give their two cents on another persons gender and how they don’t care about it. (While 100% caring about it)
There is no attack on trans rights besides the isolated attacks from bigots. The whole trans rights thing is a massive virtue signal and in some cases pushing for privileges not rights.
8/8 tradcon troll bait
Love the conservatism here
Couldn't care less.
OP: "trans rights good"
this sub: "omg why do you literally want to kill the first amendment you socialist pedo authoritarian bootlicker"
Why are people like this
"Don't pander to them" it should read.
As long as you make money who the fuck cares about gender or sex! I own a harem of Femboys and make millions why dont you join me!
This comment was a rollercoaster
Want to her my impression of a gay snake?….
(Bonus points if you can name the comedian)
So long as I'm not forced by law to allow you to use an inappropriate bathroom in my business then I'm happy, inject whatever hormones you want.
Have that flag at every corner of my house, inside out. Those sons of bitches demand for us to hide our faces behind those masks. Every time I see an asshole telling me to “mask up”, I scream “don’t tread on me”, at their face.
My minarchism is consistent, so I won't be hypocritical. If you want to mutilate your body, you are free to do so as long as you're not a minor. If I can support people killing themselves by overdosing on hardcore drugs despite me personally being someone who doesn't do drugs, why would I change my mind about this subject? It's just natural selection, OP. I can help you, but I can't force you if you're a lost cause unwilling to be helped. This sub is being brigaded by a lot of socially leftist snowflakes, though.
“I don’t care, but here’s ten reasons why it’s bad and I do care apparently.”
I honestly just don’t give a shit.
Sure, whatever you want, just let me buy machine guns.
Do what you want, just leave my kids alone
Ok but don’t tread on my kids then…
ITT: a bunch of idiots brainwashed into following the media party lines with regards to trans people. If you don't respect trans people now, y'all would have argued "it's not a violation of the NAP to separate black people into the back of the bus" 60 years ago. Fake anarchists going all-in with the state. Sad to see
we do a little trolling