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Personal freedoms

Personal freedoms

Lizard_King_5

Do what you want, leave me and the government out of it


Vord_Loldemort_7

Based


LuckyLeeLeah

Pizza! Time!


Vord_Loldemort_7

You’re late, I’m not paying for those


BigT-202

o7


DJSadWorldWide

Pretty sure that’s exactly how freedom works.


vinylsprakle

Never thought I’d see the guy making a meme from every line in Spider-Man here. Small world. With that being said, any infringement on any personal liberty or right is gonna make me put dirt in your eye.


Vord_Loldemort_7

*Dance montage*


QuantumButtz

Being trans doesn't violate the NAP. People can do whatever they want. That's the libertarian take. Anything beyond that like compelled speech laws starts moving toward authoritarianism.


CommieRemover

>Being trans doesn't violate the NAP Being transphobic doesn't either


_MyHouseIsOnFire_

Correct, as long as you don’t harass others. The second you start to harass someone it is a violation of the NAP. This counts for any reason.


Atomskii

Threatening violates the NAP. Shaming and criticism does not violate the NAP.


zuccoff

>Threatening violates the NAP. \*A credible threat Otherwise people will call literally anything a threat, even some tweets.


CallMeBigPapaya

So who determines what a credible threat is?


AnItalianRedditor

If it’s something serious like doxxing or there’s evidence of conspiracy to murder/injure; it’s a credible threat


yeeto_deleto_tostito

threatening to wind someone's tendons into a knot? not credible threatening to shoot someone? credible threat


CriscoFrog

Yes, but it's still a dick move, and people can shame and criticize you for it too


Atomskii

Thats fine, but that has nothing to do with the discussion of NAP and voluntarist philosophy.


Superretro88

Being a dick isn’t illegal


james23333

Pretty sure we’ll have mandatory castrations soon enough. So dicks will be illegal in that case


Atomskii

Voluntarist philosophy is a very inclusive philosophy in that it encourages culture and societal norms to solve societal problems instead of an unlimited set of inflexible rules/laws for every social situation...


WhiteJesusAntiChrist

Shame has a stronger connection with PTSD than guilt and PTSD is an injury. Public criticism on the other hand is the purpose of 1A. You could argue that public criticism is shaming but that's a slippery slope since the two serve different purposes.


thunderma115

So does that also go for the suck the dick bigot types?


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kronaz

XY = He/Him XX = She/Her Anything else is madness.


PsychedSy

Easier to go by how people present themselves. I've got no reason to start shit with a stranger over things that have zero impact on my life. I'd much rather have pleasant interactions than constant friction. If someone's pronouns don't fit within that I'll probably just avoid the whole thing. Attention seeking nonsense can get fucked.


benben11d12

What about calling everyone "he" regardless of gender. That seems less mad than having two different sets of pronouns


godisworsethanhitler

Abolishing gender? Based as fuck.


Pm_Me_Your_Tax_Plan

"hi I go by she/her" "Okay cool" Oh my god, what madness, the sky is falling, it's so damn complicated


TheMawsJawzTM

Amen. Trains terrify me. Transphobes unite


Muxxer

This is offensive for autistic people who like trains /s


ConnerFarrell5

As an autist, like any true libertarian/ancap, I agree


Obtersus

If you're transphobia starts impacting someone's freedom and rights, then it does. The whole point is to not give a fuck what someone else is doing as long as they aren't bothering anyone else...


AcringeWeido

Says anime pfp


mynameispizzabox

No, just an asshole.


ShamusMRD

Absolutely based.


Cosmic_Mind89

*sniffs* Thank you! *hugs*


Seebeedeee

I think there’s a solid argument that trans is a mental condition and “doctors” shouldn’t mutilate the perfectly healthy bodies of untreated mental patients. Same goes if I said I identify as a pirate…is it right for a “doctor” to cut off my leg and hand for a peg leg and a hook hand? I don’t think so. I think that’s a clear and egregious breach of the NAP that and advantage of the delusional.


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The line is when you start forcing it onto children though. Forcing children to take hormones or even to simply question their sexuality and give them that mental stress violates the NAP.


kharlos

I mean Rothbard says we should be able to sell our children. Why not help them get the surgeries and hormone therapies they are literally asking for?


HonorMyBeetus

If a kid asks for a gun do you give them one? Most cases of transgenderism go away after puberty and the brain rights itself. Why would you want a kid that has a hard time picking out what meal to have in the evening if they should fuck up their body for the rest of their life. Affirmation is for when you're an adult.


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MrSquishy_

I’m not sure what’s going on Pro gamer move


MMArottweiler

The original version of this flag already defends trans rights, people...


Muxxer

The point is to piss off people who believe it didn't.


CheckShoveTheRiver

Good. They should be pissed off. Fuck anyone who wants to be on the side of liberty but also tell people who they “have to” be. As long as your identity doesn’t require my participation, I couldn’t care less what you are.


Muxxer

Exactly this.


The-unicorn-republic

It’s been coopted by right wing authoritarians, this one is less likely to be stolen and more likely to be welcome among the lgbt community which now probably associates the original Gadsden flag with people that support anti lgbt policies


ladyofthelathe

All I see is a snek with Auth Left and Auth Right coloring on it.


idkmanseemskindagay

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that thought about PCM when seeing this


ladyofthelathe

I was really fucking confused by the comments and also almost started telling EVERYONE to flair up assholes!


Jukeboxshapiro

That sub has broken my brain in so many ways


ladyofthelathe

I came for the memes. Stayed for the conversation.


Trashyanon089

Truth.


Eight-Deer_Long

How is the existence of trans people Auth right or Auth left? Just because Auth left says they're in our corner doesn't mean we're inherently part of the Auth left. Most are, but not automatically. Trust me, some of us hate those motherfuckers more than you.


baileyarzate

Get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head


ladyofthelathe

I can't believe one of us hasn't made this into a PCM post yet.


Hash_Tooth

If you made this “no step on snek” instead it’d be way better


Dr_Sir1969

The flag enables you to do as you want. You want to be a girl a boy or an alien go for it but that also means people don’t have to call you by special pronouns or do anything to suit your new identity. Freedom to do as one wishes is a two way street.


Rollo8173

Ok ma’am


Dr_Sir1969

Thank you Xa’xm.


mathaiser

Do whatever you want. Leave me alone. Just because I don’t call you she/they or whatever doesn’t mean I’m “treading” on you.


isiramteal

Are trans people based on that identiy actually being threatened by the state in any way? Socially, of course you have people who want to do harm to them, but that's similar to other groups - people want to harm people based on race or sexual orientation.


BillCIintonIsARapist

I completely agree with you that the government infringes on people's rights, which is why we should abolish it.


TiredTim23

ITT: OP and the commentors are having two different conversations. I think there is a lotof common ground to be had here. But everyone is focusing on being devisive...


SlouchingToElysium

It's a classic motte-and-bailey. OP has no point without needing two different ideas to be conflated with each other.


csthrowawayquestion

Don't tread on my ability to ignore your special pronouns.


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NYC_hydra

Gun rights are trans rights. Property rights are trans rights. Economic liberation is queer liberation.


Eight-Deer_Long

A trans person and a cis person should have the exact same rights. I don't know what "trans rights" are even supposed to be. Everyone has a right to change their name or gender, take the meds, or whatever.


AGBSR

This snake is definitely harmless.


FlunkedFlank

That snake is fruity looking.


VeryFunnyValentine

Based I want my transgender neighbors to be able to protect their marijuana plantation with military grade guns


Vord_Loldemort_7

So fucking based dude


palhanor

That's the point. But ppl here seems to be kinda concerned about that...


BLorenzo777

people here are republicans who'd fly the Gadsden flag next to the american pro-cop flag with a blue line in it, maybe that's why.


vermen12

100% - it’s so sad to see what this sub has become


UNREGIERBAR

You can cut your dicks off I don´t care as long as you don´t try to cut other peoples dicks off, without their consent. ​ And I sure as hell don´t support the government subsidizing your transition.


MichelangeloDeBlanco

The original flag already represented this.


B_Addie

Do whatever the hell you want. Just leave me and my kids out of it.


UDIM3

Of course, you dont need to be trans or gay or anything to call yourself a libertarian. But a way too common critique of Anarcho Captialists, and too often a justified one at that, is that its just some sort of conservatism in disguise. That being said, its nice to see people putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to personal freedoms and its good to see the subreddit take a stand against one of its negative stereotypes.


BombadMus1im

I’ll never understand most of the LGBTQ stuff, but till I die I will support your freedom to do as you please with your body as long as you’re an adult


Vord_Loldemort_7

People like you give me hope


Danielsuperusa

Based as fuck


BoogalooBoi1776pt2

Except when they try to make it a crime to address someone by their "incorrect" pronoun under the guise of "Violence". Do what you want, I don't have to like it, and I won't, and I have the freedom to think you are stupid for mutilating your body and changing your hormonal structure. I have the freedom to say you are a science denier, but I will not deny your humanity as a person. Just that you're wrong


Book_Complex

I don’t care if you are trans but this is the type of shit that pisses me off. This goes for everything though, so including religion among other things, I don’t care what you do in your life, what you believe in, but just leave me and others the fuck alone and don’t shove your views down my throat. I don’t care.


lil_baphomet666

Freedom of speech motherfucker


BabeyBell

Freedom of speech is not the freedom to shove your opinions down people’s throats. “The liberty of one citizen ends where the liberty of another citizen begins.” -Victor Hugo


Ovinme

Freedom to be a cunt


Eight-Deer_Long

Idk why you're being downvoted. You are free to be a dick as long as you're not harassing people. He has a right to call me whatever he wants, but in turn I have a right not to associate with him.


ampjk

I do not associate with the tiggers fuckers always bouncing around like a kangaroo.


excusetheblood

Isn’t this a political sub?


AJDx14

They’re AnCaps, part of the prerequisite for the ideology is neither liking nor understanding politics.


imthatguy8223

For real. They can change and live in their version of reality. When they start demanding others to indulge in it that violates the other’s liberty.


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Kaablooie42

Can't it be both?


JailOfAir

> They can change and live in their version of reality. When they start demanding others to indulge in it that violates the other’s liberty. The gall to say this while being an Ancap lmao


DroogMuster

I swear you are all the most Un-capitalist and pro-authority pieces of work I’ve ever seen. Anarcho Capitalism is about making money without a government. If you feel offended right now then you probably have morals and morals have no place in an Anarcho-Capitalist society your just another Republican and at best your a Paleolibertarian if you want to feel special.(Not you OP)


RichKat666

Anarchy isn't necaessrily about no morals, just no heirarchies


DaddyWarbucks666

Why does free speech piss you off?


Nir91

How is this ‘shoving’ anything down your throat? Maybe you should stop opening it.


Thtb

Guess what, the trans people also want to be left alone, genius.


noithinkyourewrong

Not all of them, some of them want to have you fired and arrested for using the wrong pronouns.


ARMAMMUS

Lmao. No. If I have to correctly choose your subjective 1 out of infinity genders or lose my place in society, then it’s not you that’s being tread on, it’s me. The trans movement in its entirety is authoritarian. Coercion or cancelled- those are my options. Fuck off with this post.


Vv2333

I'm just going to say this. There's a movie called Swordsman 2 starring Jet Li. The main antagonist is a warlord named Master Asia who decides to become a woman to gain more power and then Jet Li falls in love with him/her. Very good movie actually. But it points to something that never is really discussed.


Optimizer255

It's ok to be trans.


Vord_Loldemort_7

Exactly!


onbius

What kind of creepy colored snake is that


rexkongo

Doesn’t the original already include everyone?


Muxxer

Yeah, but this is just to piss off some dumbasses, and to kinda remind them that it already did, and that by supporting what the other flag meant, they'd be supporting what this flag means.


TurtleLampKing66

Nice flag 👍


The-unicorn-republic

Based


rcunknown47

Cute snake


1abyrinthMC

Mega Based


wasdwasdawe1223

so true


Mister_UnsavedV3

You “trans” people have the right to do what ever you want just like any other person. You aren’t being treaded on when people don’t call you by your “real” gender. Children should not be able to go through HRT therapy or whatever it is that transitions people. Children do not have the emotional maturity to make such an impactful decision. Just because “Steve” down the street keeps misgendering you doesn’t mean you live in an oppressive, cruel society.


onbius

Lmao at putting Steve in quotation marks


Artemused

gotta love how this single image has sent you down a self-dug rabbithole of transing the kids.


Mister_UnsavedV3

I just saw some people that advocated for children being able to go through HRT. I just think that’s too far.


Lexicon_lysn

\> posts something about personal freedoms on a supposedly personal freedom centered subreddit. \>subreddit goes bat shit. nice one, OP. doing gods work lol.


shook_not_shaken

This is why r/free_market_anarchism was made, because this place is filled with magatards who have self-deluded themselves into thinking they support liberty


Vord_Loldemort_7

Gotta love the hypocrisy Freedoms for me but not for thee


Melissalcb

What freedom dont i have?


redburner1945

Lmao at how hard OP is dodging you 😂


Osminium

This is obviously a very touchy subject judging by the comments (and society as a whole) but if you could clarify OP I think it would be much better, I could understand the reasoning of you know, being against the murdering of trans people and needless violence against them but I also understand those who do not wish to be forced to "play pretend" (not my words) with trans people or adhere to the ever expanding agenda of pronouns. If you had only clarified what you meant this shitshow of comments probably could have been avoided.


Vord_Loldemort_7

Yeah I didn’t realize I needed to spell it out for some people


Melissalcb

Goes batshit? Have you read the comments? 🤣🤣🤣


SlouchingToElysium

It's a motte-and-bailey. Fuck off, commie.


OnlyDiver_1776

This is cringe, but not wrong


Vord_Loldemort_7

I'll take it


callmepackman

No step on snek


Vord_Loldemort_7

\*Schtep\*


colingk3

I believe in everyone doing what makes them happy but don’t be upset when I call what is biologically a man a man. That being said if I have to interact with this person I’ll humor them and use the pronouns that make them happy.


Vord_Loldemort_7

This is cool. If you're not gonna be understanding, it's important to at least be respectful.


colingk3

Respect is something that needs to given to everyone unless what they’re doing is causing harm to others, which none of the LGBTQ+ crowd is harmful


Muxxer

Why the fuck are people downvoting you.


Vord_Loldemort_7

You're cool


AER_OS

As long as you don’t make me love you or care, then it’s fine with me.


Vord_Loldemort_7

This is a great policy


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BathwaterThief

I love that a real life human being believes abolishing all labour laws will bring on a Utopia but also thinks that someone asking to be called something different is a delusional fantasy.


Super_Natural_5834

Nah, gtfo pedo


aiden22304

I like this flag and the message it represents, but I hate how poorly the colors contrast, although the snake itself is pretty cute. I’ll give it a 7/10.


xX_YungDaggerDick_Xx

magatards here might not like this one


Vord_Loldemort_7

The anger is palpable


Muxxer

They don't, this comments section is an active warzone.


Tpdguy

If you don't believe in trans rights, you don't believe in liberty.


Vord_Loldemort_7

This person gets it


unUSEFULidiot

I don't believe in transgenderism. Thus I can't believe in trans rights by default.


Drummer_Doge

how can you not believe in transgenderism? that's like not believing in hair replacement


Tpdguy

Username checks out


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Vord_Loldemort_7

Yeah I know, I’m a cisgender guy


Melissalcb

You mean a guy?


Muxxer

A guy who isn't trans, so yes, a guy.


Vv2333

You're a cissy?


Can_Boi

Based post, cringe comments


dkentl

Who indoctrinated you with this bullshit. Compelled speech laws at the behest of these people is the opposite of personal freedom.


Muxxer

So you're immediately assuming that because OP posted a Gadsen flag with a trans snake, they're "indoctrinated" and apparently support compelled speech laws? Why does everyone jump on the "hurr durr all trans people are authoritarian statists" train? I've met quite a lot of libertarian trans people who are against this.


bri8985

Live and let live. Nothing wrong with whatever people want as long as it isn’t impacting you.


RayneXero

I'll always try to call a trans person by their preferred pronouns and I'll stand up for their human rights (actual rights, not "muh free health are"), because I'm polite and that's what one does in polite society. But I will never actually believe them. I won't make myself see them as that actual gender unless the transition is very well done. I will still consider them to be their biological sex and I will never consider them to actually be their preferred gender. I just won't make myself believe something that I genuinely don't believe. But like I said I'll still be polite, treat them like a genuine human being and use their preferred pronouns out of politeness. And as long as they treat me with the same respect I'll continue to do so (yes it is conditional). Respect me and I'll respect you.


_Vanilla_Thunder_

This snake looks soooo cute!!! <3


Vord_Loldemort_7

I love snakes they're adorable


Muxxer

Agree


MMArottweiler

I love how this sub is the conservative right-wing version of r/libertarian. y'all f\*ckers are sorry af.


The-unicorn-republic

r/libertarian is to commies what r/Anarcho_Capitalism is to trumpians


firstfatmaninspace

Gay.


AbortionJar69

BASED. Cope and dilate conservatives.


FlunkedFlank

The snake should be snake colored. Snake colored snakes, in this context, represent the primacy of the individual over the collective, to include boy snakes who dress like girl snakes. All snakes have rights is the central fucking point.


gooberthrwoiufrn

Gotta say, u/muxxer is out here giving well thought out rebuttals and calling people on their hypocrisy, fantastic work my dude, keep it up.


impala67x

It’s always funny when people post things with trans related colors, because so many here can’t help but give their two cents on another persons gender and how they don’t care about it. (While 100% caring about it)


ChrisDoctorDre

There is no attack on trans rights besides the isolated attacks from bigots. The whole trans rights thing is a massive virtue signal and in some cases pushing for privileges not rights.


Market_Anarchist

8/8 tradcon troll bait


Despertar_Dormido

Love the conservatism here


TavaNoGrim0

Couldn't care less.


PM_ME_WARMASTERALFYN

OP: "trans rights good" this sub: "omg why do you literally want to kill the first amendment you socialist pedo authoritarian bootlicker"


Vord_Loldemort_7

Why are people like this


it_is_all_fake_news

"Don't pander to them" it should read.


LiamCabbage

As long as you make money who the fuck cares about gender or sex! I own a harem of Femboys and make millions why dont you join me!


Vord_Loldemort_7

This comment was a rollercoaster


LiamCabbage

😆 😆


AJSD12

Want to her my impression of a gay snake?…. Tssssssssssssssss (Bonus points if you can name the comedian)


Panzer-Hawk

Based


Wapentake

So long as I'm not forced by law to allow you to use an inappropriate bathroom in my business then I'm happy, inject whatever hormones you want.


sillyrabbit33

Have that flag at every corner of my house, inside out. Those sons of bitches demand for us to hide our faces behind those masks. Every time I see an asshole telling me to “mask up”, I scream “don’t tread on me”, at their face.


Akshay537

My minarchism is consistent, so I won't be hypocritical. If you want to mutilate your body, you are free to do so as long as you're not a minor. If I can support people killing themselves by overdosing on hardcore drugs despite me personally being someone who doesn't do drugs, why would I change my mind about this subject? It's just natural selection, OP. I can help you, but I can't force you if you're a lost cause unwilling to be helped. This sub is being brigaded by a lot of socially leftist snowflakes, though.


ACasualExister

“I don’t care, but here’s ten reasons why it’s bad and I do care apparently.”


FreedomFromIgnorance

I honestly just don’t give a shit.


WASRmelon_white_claw

Sure, whatever you want, just let me buy machine guns.


bidensakiddyfiddler

Do what you want, just leave my kids alone


Vord_Loldemort_7

Hella based


Datstr8whitemale

Ok but don’t tread on my kids then…


white_trash_wino

ITT: a bunch of idiots brainwashed into following the media party lines with regards to trans people. If you don't respect trans people now, y'all would have argued "it's not a violation of the NAP to separate black people into the back of the bus" 60 years ago. Fake anarchists going all-in with the state. Sad to see


Stellar__Fox

we do a little trolling